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I have an engine hoist reserved for this Saturday, if anyone can help out I would appreciate it...especially if you have done an oil pan and gasket replacement on the 302..

I am also changing oil pump and pickup tube,etc...thanks..

i am on gulf coast near Weeki Wachi...

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sounds like a good time..if I was closer I'd be there and I'd lend you my hoist...it's just sitting in my shed..

are you planning to pull the engine, or are you just lifting it up to get the new gasket in? when I did mine, I disconnected the exhaust, pulled the upper intake and after loosening the motor mounts was able to raise it enough to drop the pan..
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yeah i am hoisting it up and keeping it in the truck...not looking forward to this job, but the leaking is driving me nuts...

i cant believe i read in some threads where guys jacked the truck's engine up with a wooden block between the jack and the oil pan instead of hoisting it...i mean if the old oil pan crushes, no biggy, but after the job is done i wouldnt want to bang up the new pan and gasket...

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Trust me, I know what you mean about leaks...I can't stand them either..

when I did mine, I was replacing the pan as well, but I jacked on the front of the tranny, not the pan..

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wow, i didnt think...if i hoist the engine instead of jacking it up, i will probably have to remove the hood...huh?....

so you jacked it up and had no issues...??...dang wish i had someone helping me do this that has done this before...

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pulling the hood would make it easier, but you can still do it..

yes, I jacked it up with know issues..once everything I listed above was out there was plenty of clearance as you can see in the picture.

I did have to cut my exhaust. not a big deal since I used one of those couplers when I put everything back..

You're a pretty smart guy..you should be able to figure it out..
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one more question...i am using a fel-pro premium rubber gasket with the steel reinforcements, etc...it says no sealant with gasket instructions...the Haynes manual and the two online repair programs i have say use a thin bead...what did you use , and has it held up ???

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one more question...i am using a fel-pro premium rubber gasket with the steel reinforcements, etc...it says no sealant with gasket instructions...the Haynes manual and the two online repair programs i have say use a thin bead...what did you use , and has it held up ???
yes, without a doubt use sealant..you don't need to glop it on but make sure you put down a decent bead all the way around, especially in the corners and where the timing cover meets the pan.

learned the hard way and didn't use enough when I did my rebuild so I had a small leak..
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yeah i am hoisting it up and keeping it in the truck...not looking forward to this job, but the leaking is driving me nuts...

i cant believe i read in some threads where guys jacked the truck's engine up with a wooden block between the jack and the oil pan instead of hoisting it...i mean if the old oil pan crushes, no biggy, but after the job is done i wouldnt want to bang up the new pan and gasket...
Ive done it both ways, they both work. I heard getting the pan out is an even bigger headache. I just dropped the pan to the crossmember and changed the gasket.

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Trust me, I know what you mean about leaks...I can't stand them either..

when I did mine, I was replacing the pan as well, but I jacked on the front of the tranny, not the pan..

Don't jack it up by the trans, there will be more leverage and more force being applied if you jack it up there. Plus the aluminum will crack if it can't handle the weight, then you're hosed. At least the pan will bend first.
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wow, i didnt think...if i hoist the engine instead of jacking it up, i will probably have to remove the hood...huh?....

so you jacked it up and had no issues...??...dang wish i had someone helping me do this that has done this before...
No, hood can stay on. A load leveler and tie downs to attach to both sides of the engine helps.
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one more question...i am using a fel-pro premium rubber gasket with the steel reinforcements, etc...it says no sealant with gasket instructions...the Haynes manual and the two online repair programs i have say use a thin bead...what did you use , and has it held up ???
I used a little RTV in the corners, none anywhere else. IME as long as the gasket material is in good shape you only need sealant in the corners/crevices where there may be gaps. The dodge had a reusuable gasket and I just put it back on with some RTV in key places where the gasket was torn a bit, no leaks.

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maybe I jacked on the spot between the tranny and the pan..either way, I didn't have any problems..

If he's replacing the pump and pickup the pan is going to need to come out..
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I only used rtv in the corners with my rubber gasket. And I jacked up from the oil pan no problem, just used a wide block of wood to disperse the weight. If I was in Florida currently I'd help, even have a crane just sitting. Just take your time, and you'll be fine. I've now done the removing oil pan in truck method and pulled the whole engine. I'll never do an oil pan gasket in the truck again. While it wasn't as terrible as some make it seem pulling the engine was certainly a lot easier.
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Well as they say, all good things must come to an end...after spending one whole day working on getting the dang pan out, I pulled it away from the motor to discover a black burnt p.o.s....when i took the plenum off, there was black burnt oil caked inside the intake ports...both motor mounts were busted...

After 2 days of working on the truck and staring at it...then fiddling with it then sitting and staring again, I came to the decision to get rid of it.

Jeremy made a very true statement awhile back...."you have to pay to play"...I have reached a limit where, between what I lack in physical ability and financial drain stops me from being able to keep up anymore. In just a few months I pay my dues at the first of the year for my real estate business to begin and then the money bleeds in a new direction. I aint got enough bandages and first aid cream...something had to give.

That being said, I will be posting it here as "parting out" but I have it right now on cl for $1000 before parting to take as a project truck...

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Well as they say, all good things must come to an end...after spending one whole day working on getting the dang pan out, I pulled it away from the motor to discover a black burnt p.o.s....when i took the plenum off, there was black burnt oil caked inside the intake ports...both motor mounts were busted...

After 2 days of working on the truck and staring at it...then fiddling with it then sitting and staring again, I came to the decision to get rid of it.

Jeremy made a very true statement awhile back...."you have to pay to play"...I have reached a limit where, between what I lack in physical ability and financial drain stops me from being able to keep up anymore. In just a few months I pay my dues at the first of the year for my real estate business to begin and then the money bleeds in a new direction. I aint got enough bandages and first aid cream...something had to give.

That being said, I will be posting it here as "parting out" but I have it right now on cl for $1000 before parting to take as a project truck...

Sorry guys...I had a blast ...
That's it? Really? You give up that easy? I've run my 5.0 out of oil, overheated,submerged it and tow 4k on a weekly basis and it keeps going. Your engine's been used and abused for the last 30 years, of course there's black crap caked to the inside. You have to dig that shit out by hand when it's that bad. It's a Mother****ing 5.0 not a BMW I6, If it's got oil pressure and compression clean it out button it back up and run it till it blows smoke, it will take another 5 years to get to that point.The inside of my engine has black shit baked to it, hell all but the most pristine ones do.

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My engine was all black and burnt, if it still runs fine keep running it!

My back window motor pins broke. I bought new pins but they are to big. Does the rear motor have special pins?

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My engine was all black and burnt, if it still runs fine keep running it!

My back window motor pins broke. I bought new pins but they are to big. Does the rear motor have special pins?
No,the Rear window motor is just a left hand window motor. The pins aren't always the exact right size though. Ive had to cram more than one set into a motor. Put a tiny bit of oil on them and they'll go in easier.

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The same brand pins were fine on the passanger side... I think I have to sand them.

But other then the motor mounts what's wrong with it

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The same brand pins were fine on the passanger side... I think I have to sand them.

But other then the motor mounts what's wrong with it
IIRC it was burning oil. Probably has carbon caked in the intake and sludge in the pan. Not surprising, stuff is hard to get out once it gets there.

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easier said when you are 20 something then when you are....err....older. I wish i had just one set of hands to help...but i am pulling the ad to part out for now...gonna go stare at the truck today...

the first problem i face is getting the oil pan back under the motor...i have it up on 4x4 blocks and it still wont go under with the oil pump on...and i cant get the oil pump on with the drive rod,etc. when the pan is on first....

i cant safely get the motor up any higher without getting the hoist i decided against to go the way of jacking the motor up.

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easier said when you are 20 something then when you are....err....older. I wish i had just one set of hands to help...but i am pulling the ad to part out for now...gonna go stare at the truck today...

the first problem i face is getting the oil pan back under the motor...i have it up on 4x4 blocks and it still wont go under with the oil pump on...and i cant get the oil pump on with the drive rod,etc. when the pan is on first....

i cant safely get the motor up any higher without getting the hoist i decided against to go the way of jacking the motor up.

tired and frustrated...
Might be time to get the hoist then, no other safe way to lift it now that the pan is off. It won't fit with just the oil pump without the pickup tube installed?

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Tired and frustrated, been there done that..Come one Frank, can't be that bad. If the truck isn't your DD, take a step back for a minute and give yourself some time to decide what you want to do..busted motor mounts and a caked up intake aren't that big of a deal. $1000 is giving that truck away..If I counted the # of times I was ready to toss in the towel on my rig I'd have given up on it years ago...my wife probably wishes I did..

From what I remember your truck sounded like it was fine when we were down at Hard Rock..no funny noises or billowing clouds of smoke, so there is plenty of life left in that motor...if not, put it up until you can score another motor or do a rebuild..

If you don't want to screw with it any more, you can probably find a mobile mechanic who will come to your house and button everything up for you.

hope you change you mind, but you have to do what's right for you..would hate to think we won't see you on any more rides..the Florida FSB crew just wouldn't be the same...
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