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Will someone please make retro Ford Truck wheels!!!!!

There are quite a few companies making retro style wheels and it looks like the process is pretty simple with CNC machines and wheel blanks. I can easily get Indy style wheels in the size I like and for years they were my favorite but now I think I want a set of wheels that closely mimic the Ford OEM aluminum wheels for my '83. I would think a company could take a 17" blank, set up a pattern and turn out my wheels pretty easily. If you've ever watched Overhaulin' you see Chip making a one off wheel for every build. I actually reached out to the company in CA that carries the Foose name and they are connected with quite a few other brands. The people there were really nice but basically told me that they would only discuss a wheel design with one of their distributors. I would think that there are enough of us out here to generate enough interest to make up sets of these wheels to sell to the public. Anyone else agree???? Here's the pattern I'm referring to.....


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I don't understand that in this day and time you can't design your own wheels and have the produce if you were willing to pay the price. Surely there is a company out there that has thought about this..... With the advancement in technology its not like it is that much more time than any other wheel design out there....
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Exactly! I could easily design the pattern or one similar in CADD and hand over a file for the CNC machine. All I really need is a wheel blank and someone willing to take my money. Someone in this forum has got to have a connection


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I've always liked those wheels but they never seemed to be that popular. I tried to find a set a few years ago and finally gave up. Sorry, I don't think you'll get enough interest in them to motivate a wheel manufacturer to tool up and produce these. Plus 5 on 5 1/2 bolt pattern is a dinosaur nowadays. They would want to do them in a metric pattern and in 17" and bigger sizes. Having 4 or 5 made from billet stock will be very pricey.

If you want a set your best bet is to keep searching junk yards. They came on vans too.
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Couple of thoughts: I've looked and looked and looked and haven't ever found a pair. I've even hunted on vans. Honestly I would prefer a newer, similar style in a 17" x 10" size.

I think once I were to find someone with a CNC the bolt diameter would be irrelevant.

There are companies making retro wheels every day and they are selling for about $200 or less. I would gladly pay for the set up because from what I hear anyone who can find a set to buy is paying well more than $250/ea.


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It takes hours to cut one wheel on a CNC. At $100+ per hour of shop time, that could get very expensive. I made a fan hub for a Stirling engine I made. It was 3" diameter and very simple other than the multi-axis planes on it for attaching the blades. It took about 30 minutes to make one, not including the time it took to write the g-code for the CNC to understand what you wanna do. That specific code was 17,000 lines long, and someone spent a lot of time designing and writing it. That all takes time, which as we all know, is money. It's not as simple as just imagining the wheel, and turning the machine on and expecting it to know what you are thinking.

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I understand what you're saying. I don't think it's as complicated as you're describing but I do get that it's not as simple as slicing a pizza.


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I understand what you're saying. I don't think it's as complicated as you're describing but I do get that it's not as simple as slicing a pizza.


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Speaking as someone who was involved in a project very similar to this one - replicating a vintage Jaguar alloy wheel in a larger more modern size - he's right. The style of the Jaguar wheel we were looking at replicating isn't all that much different than the Ford wheel you want to make and we were looking at $650-750 per wheel cost including the blank or billet and CNC time. We had someone who was good with Solidworks donate his time to the project, but if he hadn't we could easily have added another $1000 if not more to the price of the project in 'draftsman's time' to get a file that a CNC rig could use to churn out a wheel. We scrapped the project when we were unable to find more than a couple people willing to spend $3000 for a set of these wheels.

So, yeah, he's absolutely right.
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Ford catalog shows it as a E2TZ1007A, will make looking easier. Model span of 82-84

Ford F-150 Truck Wheel Part Number 1289
These guys have 1 in stock, no ETA on more. But thats better than nothing


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I understand what you're saying. I don't think it's as complicated as you're describing but I do get that it's not as simple as slicing a pizza.


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I've been schooled in machining, and worked in a high production machine shop. I know what I'm saying. There is so much more to machining any part than just making chips. It takes skill, patience, and ingenuity to produce a quality part from an idea in someone's head or drawing. Then do you want a milled finish on your wheels? Because polishing all those surfaces is very labor intensive. They can't just put them on the surface grinder like a flat object. I do realize the wheel you are envisioning isn't a 22" bling bling "rim", but it'll still take time to create a quality wheel.

To me, they look sort of like the newer mustang gt500 wheels and the wheels I see on the new Ford explorers. Not sure if those could be re-centered to 5x5.5 or not. I've also seen some similar wheels in summit racing, etc.

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I'm not looking for someone who owns a CNC and typically makes brackets for machines to make these things. I'm looking for one of the many companies who already makes wheels to step up and make them. These companies are already tooled for the work, have the blanks at a fraction of what you or I would spend and simply need the design. Starting from a raw design would be ridiculous.

If I can buy a wheel for $150 it probably costing about $30 to manufacture. I'm sure we could have a limited build for not much more than a production wheel. The box company will still get their money, the trucking company will get theirs, the distributor will get theirs, etc.

I was just throwing the idea out there but in the mean time I'll grab a set of Indy wheels and wait......


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Ford catalog shows it as a E2TZ1007A, will make looking easier. Model span of 82-84



Ford F-150 Truck Wheel Part Number 1289

These guys have 1 in stock, no ETA on more. But thats better than nothing


For some reason I think the vans carried this wheel beyond 84. I want to say it was a van option until 86 or 87.


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Ford catalog shows it as a E2TZ1007A, will make looking easier. Model span of 82-84



Ford F-150 Truck Wheel Part Number 1289

These guys have 1 in stock, no ETA on more. But thats better than nothing


'85 Club Wagon brochure....


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I'm following ya now. I guess there just isn't the market demand for them. They still have to write the specific code for that wheel, to which my point remains valid. That individual writing the code may have 40 hours in it, then prototypes, adjustments, final prototype, and production model. Once the R&D is done, then yeah it may cost a few hundo per piece. The majority of wheels in the aftermarket catalogs are cast or stamped; not machined from billet aluminum. That's why a Mickey thompson classic wheel may cost $30 to make and they get 150+ for it.

I wish edelbrock, who makes a cylinder head for the 4.0 Jeep i6, would make one for the 300. But the market is too small
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This wheel is close, it just needs more meat on the bone. Widen the spokes and add more material at the outer edge....


It's just not the look I like in its current configuration.


Oh well, maybe someone in the wheel business will stumble upon this thread.


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For some reason I think the vans carried this wheel beyond 84. I want to say it was a van option until 86 or 87.


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I wasn't trying to debate the year range, just trying to help anyone who wants some locate them


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I wasn't trying to debate the year range, just trying to help anyone who wants some locate them


Agreed. I was just adding the info to allow the people to widen the search. I appreciate the info you posted.


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this is not a tech question, this is a Bronco related discussion.

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For $150, anyone who has a set should up and grab it while it's in stock. You should also google 'obsolete Ford parts,' and check those parts houses to see if they have any. But yeah, it wasn't that popular; I can count on the fingers of one hand (and have two fingers left over) how many rigs, Bronco or otherwise, I've seen since Ford debuted that wheel. And strictly speaking, I paid attention.
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I'm not looking for someone who owns a CNC and typically makes brackets for machines to make these things. I'm looking for one of the many companies who already makes wheels to step up and make them. These companies are already tooled for the work, have the blanks at a fraction of what you or I would spend and simply need the design. Starting from a raw design would be ridiculous.
Um, you're actually quite a bit off on your idea. The $750 per wheel price I mentioned was *from* a large wheel manufacturer that did some custom CNC stuff for their more exotic, extreme low production offerings.

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If I can buy a wheel for $150 it probably costing about $30 to manufacture. I'm sure we could have a limited build for not much more than a production wheel. The box company will still get their money, the trucking company will get theirs, the distributor will get theirs, etc.
Your hypothetical $150 wheel is either a steel stamping or cast alloys, as someone else mentioned. In the latter case, only very little machining is done and that just to clean up the cast piece and/or provide surface finishing. They are *not* made from a cheap generic gravity-cast aluminum billet or blank. If it was, you wouldn't want it. Generic gravity cast billet aluminum blanks are the weakest kind of wheel blank - they're marginal at best for cars that are actually driven on the street, but for a truck that goes offroad or hauls heavy loads they're a really bad idea. Low-pressure cast blanks are better (and are the lowest grade generally allowed for OEM weight carrying) and a forged blank is best. Even so, a wheel machined from a forged blank is weaker than a wheel that was originally shaped in the forging process.

I've never seen a new totally-CNC-from-a-blank wheel cost less than $400 other than one intended for a motorcycle. In quantity of 500, a forged blank intended for a motorcycle (which is a higher volume market than cars, actually) will cost about $180 today - and that's just basically a disc shaped chunk of aluminum. A gravity-cast blank will run about $120 and a low pressure cast blank about $145 - all prices as of November 2016. And that's *just the blank.*

Have a good look at what a low pressure cast blank, production (as in 'we make this in serial production and stick them on the shelf to sell') CNC machined wheel costs (and this one 'cheats' by being a two piece mated to a spun lip):

Mag G | Billet Specialties, Inc.

And what one made from a *forged* blank costs:

SLD89 | Billet Specialties, Inc.

That wheel project I was involved with wasn't making any significant money at $3000 per set. It's why we never bothered making more than one wheel - we couldn't get enough interest even as a one-off set. The target market for the wheel was a large group of people who will spend what most other people would consider absurd sums of money for similar 'updated/modernized' parts and there generally is no shortage of buyers for such goods - except when it came to the wheels.
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