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Stripped transmission pan bolt hole

I searched, but I might have missed something.

Several of the bolts on my E4OD pan won't torque because the holes are stripped. I read somewhere on the net that you can use a longer bolt if it is on the sides of the pan, not the ends. I ended up getting things to work with m8-1.25x24 bolts with 2 washers. The x20 was too short.

It is still leaking because I need to swap 2 more bolts out (gotta run to hardware store this weekend), but I was pretty happy to get the new bolts to torque down.

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Are you asking a question or telling us?

Also, what are you talking about in your sig line? They mean 16-18 quarts of ATF for an E4OD, because that's what it takes, not 16-18 pints.

That's including the torque converter being empty which holds probably close to 8 quarts by itself, filling the valve body up, and the lines, and having some left over in the pan.

Between my E4OD, the extra lines, extra cooler/thermostat/remote filter setup, I think I'm close to 22q now.

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My plane jane C6 in a T-bird takes 5 gallons, 2-3 extra quarts for a C6 would about make sense.

Other thing you can do for stripped pan holes is pump it full of JB Weld or instant steel. Let it set up and then retap the holes.

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You can get Helicoils for those as well -- drill and tap for the size of the helicoil, loctite them in, then use original bolts. The pan bolts are only torqued to 15 ft lbs so it is easy to strip them out. Don't over-do it, it won't seal any better and isn't necessary.

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You can get Helicoils for those as well -- drill and tap for the size of the helicoil, loctite them in, then use original bolts. The pan bolts are only torqued to 15 ft lbs so it is easy to strip them out. Don't over-do it, it won't seal any better and isn't necessary.

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There you go, the parts to note, you can get heli coil and it is only 15 ft lbs of torque, not 50.

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helicoil set- $50
longer bolts- $2

I woulda made the same decision.

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I would have heli-coiled the holes-end of problem.
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helicoil set- $50
longer bolts- $2

I woulda made the same decision.

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your putting them in too tight,,,,,, always remember here in Australia i always put the bolts in..... stripp it..... then back it off 2 turns.....
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your putting them in too tight,,,,,, always remember here in Australia i always put the bolts in..... stripp it..... then back it off 2 turns.....
I just did a double take.

Can someone else confirm for me, that this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on this forum?


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helicoil set is 20 bucks on e bay. 15 lbs just snug it.
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helicoil set- $50
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I woulda made the same decision.

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helicoil set is 20 bucks on e bay. 15 lbs just snug it.
If you figure out the right size, which it sounds like you have, you can just buy that size and forget the whole kit. I think I've seen individual sizes in packages at the parts stores for around $5. As long as you have any old tap and die set with the right size you'd be good to go. If not, you can get cheap ones of those too.

I like the idea of being able to use the original, or at least original style, bolts without having to worry about how much thread is left and which ones need to be longer than others.

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Are you asking a question or telling us?
I was telling so the next guy who wants to try it can find some info on the size needed.

The holes were stripped when I got the truck and it was leaking pretty bad. I thought about helicoil, but the bolts are only 35 cents at the hardware store and it looks like they will work out.

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I was telling so the next guy who wants to try it can find some info on the size needed.

The holes were stripped when I got the truck and it was leaking pretty bad. I thought about helicoil, but the bolts are only 35 cents at the hardware store and it looks like they will work out.
So, can you let us know how much fluid you are losing in about a month?

Why not fix it right?

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2 bolts torqued down OK, but the 3rd was stripped all the way up. I couldn't find helicoil in metric anywhere in town, so I used a long bolt and put a nut on top. If you look close the 3rd bolt on the right side of the pic is the one I'm talking about. it is a bit out of focus.



So now that it is holding fluid I got to drive it. I'm very dissapointed. Then engine runs great. did the 6litre tuneup. Had to back the timing bump a little because I got some valve rattle. There doesn't seem to be any power off the line. When I goose it while crusing the engine races but the transmission doesn't seem to get any of that power. I also hear this mechanical whine from under the truck if I floor it. It is hard to describe, like if Chewbacca was a robot and had an asthma attack.

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When I goose it while crusing the engine races but the transmission doesn't seem to get any of that power.

check your trans fluid level and refrain form driving until youve figure this out or youve made an expensive mistake and its already too late...

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I searched, but I might have missed something.

Several of the bolts on my E4OD pan won't torque because the holes are stripped. I read somewhere on the net that you can use a longer bolt if it is on the sides of the pan, not the ends. I ended up getting things to work with m8-1.25x24 bolts with 2 washers. The x20 was too short.

It is still leaking because I need to swap 2 more bolts out (gotta run to hardware store this weekend), but I was pretty happy to get the new bolts to torque down.
I posted about my accidental stipping several years ago. And in looking at the bolt I realized it was the same size as some metric bolts I had from the body of the bronco from somewhere, don't remember where now. They were about 1/2" longer and the holes on the side of the E4OD are actually threaded all the way through. So I swapped in this longer bolt, was careful with my torque and there are enough threads at the top of the hole to grab just fine.

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