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post #61 of 272 (permalink) Old 03-24-2004, 08:40 PM
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yeah not sure on price, Im going to look into it for coating the mustang headers in it tho so I will let you know.

and yeah you can coat lots of things with it, my friends dad coated some valve covers for his hotrod

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Pepe, thanks for doing the write up. I only just realized that it was written a year ago. I know jack about engines and this is gonna help me a lot when I get new headers.

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well, thanks to Pepe's write up, i just got done installing my shorties (same brand). it was a major PITA. Like pepe said, the drivers side is easy, but the pass side is like torture. I highly suggest starting on that side, because by the time you are done, you feel like the MOST INCOMPETENT wrench in the world. I could not get the bolts started with how big my hands are, but luckily my cousin stopped by and was able to put the pass side on for me.
There is no way to get even a crows foot on my bolts (not sure how pepe did it) so all mine are "gud n tite". Hopefully this week Ill get the Y pipe (bassinii with hi flow cat) on and test drive it, and IF i am lucky, there wont be any leaks

Just a side not, and something that i did not realize till I did the d-side. *put the end bolts in first, just a bit, then you can slide the gasket in, otherwise it is a PITA to try and hold both the header and gasket in place while trying to get the bolts in. I couldnt do it this way on the pass side, cause I couldnt get my big clumsy hads on the rear most bolt.


Anyways, I am SOOOOO glad that is over.

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I installed some Ford Motorsport shorty headers on my 1990 5.0 Bronco last night. It took about 2.5 hours to do, not including taking my time to fabricate some mounting brackets for stuff that was previously bolted to the manifolds. It was a piece of cake and did not involve removing any inner fenders--not even a close call. All my spark plugs are easily accessible, perhaps even easier to access than before when the factory heat shields were in the way.

A noticeable difference in mid-to-upper power was immediate and it sounds a little meaner than before. I recommend these headers to anyone shopping for shorties. They're stainless steel to boot!

Now, for the EFI Edelbrock intake . . .

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I installed some Ford Motorsport shorty headers on my 1990 5.0 Bronco last night. It took about 2.5 hours to do, not including taking my time to fabricate some mounting brackets for stuff that was previously bolted to the manifolds. It was a piece of cake and did not involve removing any inner fenders--not even a close call. All my spark plugs are easily accessible, perhaps even easier to access than before when the factory heat shields were in the way.

A noticeable difference in mid-to-upper power was immediate and it sounds a little meaner than before. I recommend these headers to anyone shopping for shorties. They're stainless steel to boot!

Now, for the EFI Edelbrock intake . . .
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I'll post some pics after this weekend. Apparently, the gaskets I installed don't want to completely seal. I'm going to put coppers in, so will get a chance to get some pics of the install.

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how much did the headers run you if you don't mind me ask'n?

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mude1, let us know which gasket you get to seal! thats very valuable info

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I installed some Ford Motorsport shorty headers on my 1990 5.0 Bronco last night. It took about 2.5 hours to do, not including taking my time to fabricate some mounting brackets for stuff that was previously bolted to the manifolds. It was a piece of cake and did not involve removing any inner fenders--not even a close call. All my spark plugs are easily accessible, perhaps even easier to access than before when the factory heat shields were in the way.

A noticeable difference in mid-to-upper power was immediate and it sounds a little meaner than before. I recommend these headers to anyone shopping for shorties. They're stainless steel to boot!

Now, for the EFI Edelbrock intake . . .
Do you know the part number for those headers? I checked the Ford Motorsport headers on summitracing.com and the ones I found said they were for 5.0 Mustangs. Are those the ones you used, or are yours specifically for F150/Bronco 5.0's?

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I got the headers off of ebay for $170. The description said they were installed by the previous owner for only two months. My 2003 Ford Motorsport catalog lists them as M-9430-T50 (page 116) for $299. The description says "1990-95 F-Series Truck and E-Series Van with 5.0L engine." There's a footnote that indicates they are designed for stock and "all GT-40 heads." They don't have anything listed separately for a Bronco, but they fit mine just fine. Two notes should be made regarding them: (1) the passenger side does have a threaded hole for a sensor (mine was plugged and my sensor is in the exhaust pipe), and (2) there is no air tube on these headers. I guess some vehicles came with air tubes that ran into the manifolds. My vehicle did not. For reference, Ford's tech line is 586-468-1356.

I initially used some Mr. Gasket gaskets, but could have installed them backwards. I assumed that the printed side of the gasket was supposed to contact the header, not the head. Maybe I just didn't torque things correctly (did go inner then outer bolts). I did not use any RVT sealant. The headers did lay flat on my straight edge before being installed, so they should be okay.

Here's a couple of pics of them installed now:




You can see that I did have to fabricate some brackets for stuff that was previously bolted to the cast manifolds.

Now here's a question: which way do these copper gaskets go on? Does the raised/printed side face the header or head? Also, I am going to put Ultra Copper sealant on to help seal things--am I supposed to put the sealant on both sides of the gasket or just one side?

Here's a pic of the copper gasket from Summit for reference:


I'll take some more pics on Friday when I re-install them.

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Thanks for the great info and pics, Mud E1. You're right, it does look like there's plenty of room to get to the spark plugs. I wonder if they'll fit an 86, even though it says they're for 90-95 F150's. I'll call the Ford folks at that number you posted - thanks!

As for the gaskets, I have no idea as to which side they're supposed to go on. I've installed a header before on a Toyota engine, but I've never done one on a Ford engine, and I've never had to use any kind of sealant - just the factory gaskets. I would think the side with the lettering should face out, just like you thought, but I don't know. There was a thread around here discussing how well the Ford Motorsport gaskets worked, but the discussion centered more on oil pan and valve cover gaskets, if I remember correctly. If there's a Ford Motorsport exhaust manifold gasket, maybe that would work well without leaks or the use of any kind of sealant. I've also heard that some sealants are not "sensor safe" and may affect the O2 sensor, but I don't know if that applies to Ford O2 sensors, assuming what I heard is in fact true. If it is true, then you might want to use a "sensor-safe" sealant if you think you need one, but my uneducated guesstimate is that a good quality gasket should be all that's needed. Maybe someone with more experience will chime in on that.

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nice and clean DAMN MUD E1!!! about a week to late i just got my summit headers in the mail monday. well hopefully i wont have to fu%$ with the plug's for a while. nice work though how hard were they to install?

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MUD E1 my header's look just like your's insalled them this week except for having a slight exhaust leak i love them. the paint they used sure was worth a damn on my 200 mile trip from L.A. to Hanford CA the paint is just about gone on both sides, so it looks like i'll be looking for some one to ceramic coat them.

hey 4xPepe` i dont think you have to have the 45* angle plug wires. i have the straight universal ones and they can be bent to almost any angle. just something i found out.

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a couple little tips-

easy one- powerwash your engine bay!!!!!!! i don't think i'd ever do headers/cam swap etc. with an engine bay that dirty.... tell you've been out wheelin

tip #2 take out the plugs so there isn't risk of cracking one in the head.

^ i don't know how well it works because all i ever do header swaps into are tight fitting little camaro's, trans am's, and mustang's which we seem to keep a bit cleaner then that :p

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Joined Pepe's header revolution !

Ordered the Summit shorty headers for the 302 last night, they're on their way !

Figured If I tried to change my 19 year old original 02 sensor I bust it off and/or ruin the manifold, so it made $159 a pair look pretty cheap. Once they arrive I'll just screw in a new Ford 02 sensor myself once the headers are attached up to this Y-pipe already on my motor



things already flow nicely with this system, but I'm sure the shorties will help this along.

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Thanks for the inspiration Pepe !

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Think I'm gonna use Mr.Gasket Ultra seal header gaskets coated in that high heat sensor sensative Permatex gasket goo. My mechanic buddy told me to use it at my header flange connections and he was right, they've never leaked yet.

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I used POR on my headers for my mustang. They have a high temp paint that must be baked on or you can start the motor and run it till the headers just start to smoke and shut it off and repeat until no more smoke. This is the only high temp paint I have ever used that has last this long. It's been over two years on the mustang but of course this car is not driven daily. They aslo recommend that the headers be sand blasted first. This gives the POR something to hold on to.
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Good job Pepe. I live by an old addage. Nothin' to it but to do it. There's nothing that can't be done with the right preperation and determination. Oh, and this site helps too.

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Nice write up

But I cant wait to see the wite up on the spark plug replacement
That looks like it will be a bitch!

I now know Iwont buy that brand of header.

Thanks for the heads up on that.

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Like Pepe already said in this thread

Compared to my stock 86's manifold heat shields, I can't see how it could get worse changing plugs

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