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I think your problem was Autozones lack of quality standards

An external regulator will not change the diodes. diodes are famous for blowing if the battery is low when you connect the alt. that is what that warning paper is for in the box.

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The diodes popping is the result of excessive internal heat buildup caused by poorly ventilating a case that's too small. It doesn't have enough mass to dissipate the heat that it generates running WFO for any length of time.
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how is the case poorly ventilated? there is a fan within 1/2" of the diodes
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Can you recommend a good place to get a 3g? or am I better off getting something custom wound?
See if Ryan has any of those 200 amp 3Gs left

If not head over to P.A.Performance and pay too much. I just grabbed a jobber remanufactured 130 amp unit and it's still going strong three years after the warantee ran out (touch wood).

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actually, if you are serious about a truely high quality alternator, skip on the P.A. Performance BS and give Dominick a call @ Iraggi Alternator in TN. They are unbelieveably cheap for what you get. Anyone who has priced one from Ohio Generator knows what i'm talking about..... Dominick custom builds them to your specs, and offers the 3G's in 190, 220, or 240 amp versions. But I couldn't care less about their max output, what sold me is the idle charge.
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I have one of these 200amp 3G units coming beginning of the week for $160.00 :)

Output at idle = 95 amps


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I have a quick question, I have a 200amp 3G that I'm going to be putting in today or tomarrow and I've seen installs where you use both a new 2 or 4 gauge wire as well as taking the 2 older hot wire and running and then seen installs where you just use a 2 or 4 gauge wire and get ride of the old harnes with other hot wires. My question is which way should I do it?

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you need to isolate the wires. to the alt you need a ignition hot signal wire and the 2 guage charge wire. i ran new wires to the alt and the new circuite breaker and the battery to relay. in the old harness is a couple wires that need to get connected to a battery source or you will not have power in the bronco.. here ws my swap over.
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as well as taking the 2 older hot wire and running and then seen installs where you just use a 2 or 4 gauge wire and get ride of the old harnes with other hot wires. My question is which way should I do it?
If memery serves me right

You're talking about the two fairly large 10 gauge wires (orange with black tracers) that feed the body harness power, correct ?

I spliced them together onto one larger 4 gauge wire as per Brian Soderblom's diagrams. Apparently if you don't then trying to run that kind of amperage down a 10 gauge wire can get pretty darn hot

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Just curious!! If the 3G can be boosted to 200 amps, why does the ford ambulance package bother going to a large case 1G?

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You must be blind, casue that is a NOT a large case 1G
That is a Mitsubishi Alternator that can crank out close to 300Amps in the right conditions

Ford hasn't use the crappy 1G in 15+ years!
It costs over $400

I only have 160Amp 3G's for sale now
Sorry, thought it was a re-packaged large case. Anyway, what do you think of that alt?? Found it here for $173.

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Ain't gonna find parts for that ricer piece on Sunday, deep into buttf#%&k county, 12 hwys off the interstate.

The nearest Taurus in a local junkyard (or dark parking lot) will yield a temporary replacement for Ryan's 3G, if it ever gives you trouble (not likely).

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If it's a direct swap (cept for 1/2 inch belt length), why couldn't you use that taurus alt if the big mitsu craps out??

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look at the big mitsu case, it has different style mounting like a diesels, not the norm 6 and 12 positions.

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Damn, ANOTHER upgrade to do.. I am going to be installing a winch soon, so maybe this upgrade should happen as well.. Got some pick yards that carry a bunch of cars.. Hopefully I can find one of these alternators.
Naaa

If you're already 3G, then you're GGGolden

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Apart from the different mounting ears(like 85F150 notes), I'd bet at least one molar tooth they ain't wired with the same plugs either.

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look at the big mitsu case, it has different style mounting like a diesels, not the norm 6 and 12 positions.
Good point!! I'm thinkin it fits where a 3G fits, so it would swap. Totally overlooked the mounting, DUH!!!

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Sorry, thought it was a re-packaged large case. Anyway, what do you think of that alt?? Found it here for $173.

http://autoexpress.safeshopper.com/1311/cat1311.htm?342
That sounds like a good deal.
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Apart from the different mounting ears(like 85F150 notes), I'd bet at least one molar tooth they ain't wired with the same plugs either.

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That sounds like a good deal.

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D'oh !

Wait ! I'm invoking the tiny little white wire (w/black tracer) single plug that ain't there on the wanna-be Dodge alternator !

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Some things never change... Ryan ya get that bronco of yours into the sub16 sec 1/4 mile times yet? ;-)
And BTW anytime you want to argue the 3G durability issue I have the perfect test for it....and it's not on some alt tester either..... but it will see if it has any stamina. The Large case Ford is hard to beat providing you get a quality rebuilt/new one... so is the large case GM...both have huge bearings, huge components period and run much cooler. They also will easily accept modifications to run SERIOUS wire so as to not have a situation where the alt can feed more than the wiring can stand..... and BTW I missed the explanation for why Ford didn't use the 3G on industrial/fleet/HD applications?


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My cup runeth over!! I couldnt ask for a better post to entice a debate!!!
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No debate in my mind, 3G wins for;

1.) compatability to existing brand.
2.) ease and cost in junkyards.
3.) cure all for electrical problems on 80-86s
4.) flawless operation for four years under my hood
5.) more than enough power for all my stock and aftermarket needs.

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No debate in my mind, 3G wins for;

1.) compatability to existing brand.
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Not sure what this means but I'm sure its true. It sounds good anyway.

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2.) ease and cost in junkyards.
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Definitely I agree. 15 bucks for another alternator. Can't go wrong.
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3.) cure all for electrical problems on 80-86sSixlitre
Wouldnt know.
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4.) flawless operation for four years under my hoodSixlitre
Thats cool, but its kinda sad when a good standard for an alternator is 4 years of life.
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5.) more than enough power for all my stock and aftermarket needs.
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10 amps - 50 watt 2 meter ham radio
20 amps - 4 55 watt lights on roof rack
20 amps - headlights
20 amps - fire dept strobe lights
10 amps - blower motor for AC/heat
20 amps - ignition/CB/radar detector/dome light/other small draw things (guessing here)
That leaves 30 amps available. I can't think of much else I would need beside a big stereo or a winch. And if I was winching I could live with turning off the AC and strobe lights

So far I cant think of what I could have to overdraw my 3G.

But then again, I've never put it to the test for an extended period of time, or in dirty conditions, which seems to be everyone's complaints.
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