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Dang could you turn much? Thats quite the difference...
My turning radius wasnt too bad. My tires were 15.5 inches wide and only really rubbed when I was trying to make tight turns. There probably would have been minimal to no rubbing had they been on the right way.

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thats what im saying... whats going on man?


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thats what im saying... whats going on man?
Its been a while huh???

Aside from numerous things coming up, I decided to get some welding gear and explore that for a little bit.
Ive also been debating between going with 37''s or sticking with my current 35''s......probably going with 37''s. I havent run them, so NTW agreed to exchange them for whatever size I needed. Im figuring about 8'' total lift will be plenty to clear them, so 1/2''-1'' spacers under the lower coil mounts (I need something to make them level anyways) should do the trick.....either way, I should finally be able to get some work done this weekend.

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not that it matters now, but you had your radius arms on backwards.
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no, they aren't.
Before I go any further, Id like to apologize to 94bronco351 for my blatant dismissal of his comment before giving it any real thought. I dont want to give the impression that I dont appreciate help or advise, because I definitely do! A big pet peeve of mine is people posting info as a fact, when it is really a completely uninformed opinion.... yet, here I find myself doing the same thing. . After all, if someone decided to reference this thread when putting their own fab kit on, they would have ended up going off of a bad illustration. Thanks to everyone for correcting me on that.
I just wanted to throw that out there before continuing......

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OK......now back to the build. Its been slow to say the least, but heres what I have....

Here is where everything sits right now.....

For reference purposes, I used 13 1/4'' from the rear pin to the rear of the bracket for the placement of my radius arm brackets (remember Ive got the newer C-channel versions). This puts the eye of the heim bolt right at 21 3/4'' from the rear pin, which I got from Bossind's and Daves bronc 90's SAS threads, which they got from Shadowfax (thats probably the most searching I have done for one single piece of onfo ).

I also installed a few 1/4'' spacers for some extra lift. I went with plates over making one big block for adjust ability reasons.


An couple interesting things Ive discovered so far....

First, if you have an AOD, theres no need to mess with your crossmember (I unbolted it in my inaccurate anticipation of this).


Second is it seems I seem to have less space available for my driver's side radius arm mount than others do......

heres mine....


compared to a pic I pulled off of Dave's bronc 90's SAS thread...
[QUOTE=Dave's Bronc 90;1610155]


Im assuming this is because I'm using a D60 off of a '97 . Even with a 3/4'' spacer under it, the coil cup is still hitting the knuckle side of the axle housing. Im thinking another 1/2'' of spacing will fix the problem, unless anyone can see another mehod (heck maybe I can fit 38's ). I thought about turning the coil cups around so that the majority extends towards the diff instead, but I dont see how that's going to line up.

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Ah. just noticed my C-channel mounts are on the wrong side (seems to be a trend here ). Ill post some updated pics in a little bit.

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"I also installed a few 1/4'' spacers for some extra lift. I went with plates over making one big block for adjust ability reasons."

Don't like that idea.
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Ah. just noticed my C-channel mounts are on the wrong side (seems to be a trend here ). Ill post some updated pics in a little bit.
Yes, I am quoting myself....

Ok, I flipped the C-channel mounts around (running them what I like to call, "the right way" ), and added another 1/4'' spacer, giving me 1'' total spacing between the arm and the coil cup.....MUCH better!!!


I tacked all the 1/4'' plates together, but its mainly for the ease of bolting everything together. I really doubt this will make any difference strength wise.
Based on my second grade math, it looks like Ill be netting a little over 8'' with everything factored in (assuming Ill get another inch or so from the SAS). I recall Crazed ending up with an enormous amount of lift in the front and having to swap to shorter springs. With that in mind, I think I'm gonna just tack weld everything in place until I get the springs and tires mounted and I see where I stand. Also, as far as caster angle goes...after much research, I've concluded that 4*-7* is optimum. I think Ill be shooting for 5.5*. That way if my coils settle more or not as much as I'm anticipating, I'll still be in that range.

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"I also installed a few 1/4'' spacers for some extra lift. I went with plates over making one big block for adjust ability reasons."

Don't like that idea.
Are you saying that litte 1/4'' blocks vs. one big one is bad, or just lifting up the coil cup in general is bad?

edit: I know that lifting up the coil cup is one of the lesser desirable ways of gaining lift, but in order to clear the knuckle side of the housing, Im not really sure if I have any other option.

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If they are welded together, that certainly is the way to "do it". But, I don't like that much height off the axle. I'd like to see it kept to max 1/2" or so of wedge....yes wedge or whatever for the purpose of making sure the coil is aligned with the upper tower, and to make sure the cup is well supported (my wedge is wider than what you have under yours, more support for the cup). not for adding height.

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I think it would be better to get a 1" block and weld it to the weld-on Cage piece... It seems like it would take away the stress on the bolts that those plates shifting could case... If it's only a question of finding 1" blocks of metal, I can pick you up a piece at the local scrap yard if you get me the dimensions for the cost of it and shipping. You'd probably be looking at around $15 for two... PM me with the dimensions if you'd like me to stop by at lunch and see if I can find something that matches.

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If they are welded together, that certainly is the way to "do it". But, I don't like that much height off the axle. I'd like to see it kept to max 1/2" or so of wedge....yes wedge or whatever for the purpose of making sure the coil is aligned with the upper tower, and to make sure the cup is well supported (my wedge is wider than what you have under yours, more support for the cup). not for adding height.
I agree, it seems like Im balancing a fat man on a spear. My main reason is clearing the knuckle side of the housing, and I cant see accomplishing that without pushing up the coil buckets. I tried only going up 3/4'', but it was still too tight. I made the blocks 1-1/2'' wide, because after that width, the coil cup starts to curve. I recall you flattening out your coil cups is that correct and then using a wedge to align them to the upper coil buckets right? Im hesitant to flatten them out because Im not sure how well the lower coil retainer will fit (or did you flatten that out too?)
Im sure I could make them wider, but definitely not the width of the entire cup (due to the housing issue). Ill check your thread again and look at the pics.

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I think it would be better to get a 1" block and weld it to the weld-on Cage piece... It seems like it would take away the stress on the bolts that those plates shifting could case... If it's only a question of finding 1" blocks of metal, I can pick you up a piece at the local scrap yard if you get me the dimensions for the cost of it and shipping. You'd probably be looking at around $15 for two... PM me with the dimensions if you'd like me to stop by at lunch and see if I can find something that matches.

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Thank you very much for that offer!!! Ive got a little more mild steel over here still, but I agree, welding them on to the mount is the best solution. At minimum I will be doing that.

At this stage, adding more support to the coil cup is an easy fix. Im pretty sure Im stuck at having to make it 1'' tall. Ill look at it some more and see how much wider I can go.

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I just didn't like how the buckets sat on the cage C and stock C. So I flattened the bucket somewhat, and then took a grinder to the top of the mounting area of the C's (something Jopes had suggested to me). They sat much better after messing with this. I also added an extra little welded in holder on the cup for the coil, opposite side of where the retainer grabs the coil. Has worked great.

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I just didn't like how the buckets sat on the cage C and stock C. So I flattened the bucket somewhat, and then took a grinder to the top of the mounting area of the C's (something Jopes had suggested to me). They sat much better after messing with this. I also added an extra little welded in holder on the cup for the coil, opposite side of where the retainer grabs the coil. Has worked great.
Well, the top of the weld on mount is pretty flat, and as far as I can tell the coil cups are pointing up pretty well.
by the way, I found this on one of your SAS threads. Do you have any other pics of the wedge you made to support your coil cup?
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Here's a shot of the bowed side, and a shot of the "fixed" side:

it's clear to see here that the lower cup is not pointed directly at the upper tower. The energy handled in the coils is like electricity, and will follow the path of least resistance. since the coils are not aimed at the top tower, a bow in the middle is created. The top tower retainers also are not real secure. Under compression the added energy has an easy escape, squirt the coil out toward the side and avoid most of the work of handling the compressing weight.

Hopefully this will cure the problem. The coils are pretty close to the upper coil tower frame mounting bolts though.
I figure I could make a bigger plate that covers pretty much everything except the area where there is that big bulge downward, which would support it pretty well, I think.

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This is not much better, but it's the same passenger side, shot taken from the backside about 6 months ago:



drivers side:


in both pics you can see the little added tab to keep the coil in the cup.

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You'll be fine if you weld up that little wedge good, I see your issue. Someone also suggested at one time to weld your cup to the outer C in some fashion.

I believe Dave runs a 78-79 D60 which has a different offset of the diff (further inboard) than your D60. One of the main reasons this early D60 is the favored one.

just re-reading, why do you feel you need 1" between the cup and the C? I still think you should bring that back down.

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Cool, Ill definitely add those clips to the retainer, as I was wondering exaclty how secure that was as well.

I think I'll just get the widest plate possible and go with that. Once I get it mounted, Ill see if I need to angle it or not.

Thanks for the info!!!!

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