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post #41 of 60 (permalink) Old 12-09-2016, 08:52 AM
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Cool to see a former FSB rig make it back to the forum

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looks like I got one current pic to load. Total poser shot while we were trimming fenders in the shop. Next on the list is gearing, trying to decide between a NWF black box, 203/205 doubler, or an Atlas... the Atlas is a long shot due to $$ constraints. It anyone has any advice feel free to share it!
After running a 203/205 doubler for 10 years I can say this.....don't bother. Don't get me wrong, its cool as hell, but if the NWF black box existed back then, I would've done one of those in front of a NP205 instead. A twin-sticked 205 is awesome on our tight trails out here in the northeast, I wouldn't give it up for anything. But the extra gearing of the black box compared to the 203 would be pretty cool.

Another good candidate for a range box like the Black Box is Behemoth. When they first came out they sucked, but the parts ive seen come out of them these days look top notch.
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love the rig and nice work! Can't wait to do mine one day.
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After running a 203/205 doubler for 10 years I can say this.....don't bother. Don't get me wrong, its cool as hell, but if the NWF black box existed back then, I would've done one of those in front of a NP205 instead. A twin-sticked 205 is awesome on our tight trails out here in the northeast, I wouldn't give it up for anything. But the extra gearing of the black box compared to the 203 would be pretty cool.

Another good candidate for a range box like the Black Box is Behemoth. When they first came out they sucked, but the parts ive seen come out of them these days look top notch.
Just out of interest why not a mid mount gear vendor? I have seen them run on big HP stuff and are amazing.
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Nice purchase! More pics please!
Sounds like your going to ditch the BW1356?

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Sounds like your going to ditch the BW1356?
Got 205 in both mine, go gear or go home LOL. Haven't settled on a primary splitter case between the T19 and 205.
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After running a 203/205 doubler for 10 years I can say this.....don't bother. Don't get me wrong, its cool as hell, but if the NWF black box existed back then, I would've done one of those in front of a NP205 instead. A twin-sticked 205 is awesome on our tight trails out here in the northeast, I wouldn't give it up for anything. But the extra gearing of the black box compared to the 203 would be pretty cool.
Is the extra gearing worth the money? A 203/205 adapter is about $600-700 and the eco version of the black box is about $1K. If you get the one they designed for the 205 it's $1900.
I'm thinking of doing a 203/205 (have a 203 already and truck has a 205).
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My biggest fear is spending $$ on something that is not going to have enough gear. I plan on leaving the axles alone for now (with the 4.10s) so I want plenty of Tcase gear to keep my crawl ratio decent so my tranny won't complain. If I held onto the 1356 and put a black box in front of it then it would give me a 7.28:1 low low as opposed to a 4:1 with the 203/205. The 4 speed atlas with the 10:1 would be awesome as far as gear selection is concerned, but $3500 is a lot to spend for a Tcase...

Has anyone here tried a NWF black box with a 1356? How did the driveshaft lengths work out? I'm not super concerned with the strength of the 1356 (should I be?) and I already have the Tcase so it would be an easy route. I want to look into the behemoth setup some more, is there a current link for info? most of the threads/pages I have found are several years old.
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If you already have the 203 & 205 then go for it. I had the 205 from parting out a truck and sourced a 203 for $50 so it was a no-brainer for me, especially when back then (2005) the doubler kit was I think $450.

I use the 203/205 with 5.13 diff gears to turn 42s, which is a decent combo. There have been times where I wanted more gear, usually on the nastier trails, but 5.13 is the lowest matching set I can go to for my axles (60/70). Putting the 460 in has for the most part solved that problem. And the 203/205 is stupid heavy, I had to build a contraption to use my floorjack to install/remove it. It is bomb proof though, I didn't even bother building a skid plate for it, I just pulverize rocks with it


Don't want to derail your thread, there is a thread dedicated to the atlas/doubler debate here
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No worries on de-railing the thread! There is not a lot of current info on T-case stuff on here (that thread is from 2004) so I'm sure there is some new stuff out there that I am unaware of. If anyone has any ideas, please chime in!

I agree with you reptillikus, the 203/205 is a lot of weight, length, and work for not a significant gear reduction. I could leave the 1356 in place for now and stuff 5.38's in the axles and that would get me close to the 203/205 with 4.10s... So many options, so little money.
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I don't know a whole lot about the NP cases. But I'm of the opinion that the 1356 is a great case with a good low 2.69 ratio. Why mess with a good thing. Now if your going balls to the wall with huge tires (like 44's+), huge axles and huge power, then yes it's got it's limits and I would save for the Atlas. But I would stick with it.
I like the idea of fitting the black box in there but there just isn't any room. The ouput of the T-case would just be to close to the axle and the shaft angle would be stupid on a truck with any lift to it. I'm running 5.38's on 40's and very happy with it. But I do have a built 351.
What engine do you have and are there any mods to it? What about your current axle ratio?

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What engine do you have and are there any mods to it? What about your current axle ratio?
Mostly stock 5.8 EFI. It has high miles on the odo but runs very strong so I'm sure it has a fairly recent rebuild. Has an MSD ignition system (wires, coil, etc), a cold air intake, and 3" free flow exhaust.

Current axle ratio is only 4.10, which is why I am pondering which route to go for gearing. It has been running 37's for the last few years with the P.O. (mostly off road), and actually drives fine on the street even with the new 40s, but I'm concerned about how its going to like crawling.

I was afraid of the length issue with the blackbox and the 1356, the more I research I've done it looks like that is out of the question.
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As for the type of wheeling I plan on doing with it... I'm in CA and live only 15 min away from Cow Mtn which has some good trails and small rock courses that work well for test and tuning, and then I plan on making regular yearly trips to the Rubicon (and eventually Fordyce when the rig is all dialed).
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I'm kind of looking into this same doubler idea also. Like mentioned before the length of the case and lift of the bronco is going to give some limitation on the driveshaft angle. Here is what I was storming up for this issue. The BW case is 17 1/4" long. The 205 case is 11 3/4" long. This only gives 5.5" left to keep the driveshaft around the same angle. NWF has a NP205 Titan series that is 5.35" long. This will give you the doubler you want and be able to keep the driveshaft that you have now. Now the down side is this thing cost $1900 on top of making your 205 a twin stick.


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Well for now I decided to go with axle gears... Got a great deal on 5.38's so they are going in on Monday. Even with the 5.38's I'm sure I will want lower at times, but this should get me into a livable range
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any chance you could get a horizontal measurement of the SXII diameter? Weight of the truck won't have an influence on the measurement this way. I'm curious if they are true to size.
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any chance you could get a horizontal measurement of the SXII diameter? Weight of the truck won't have an influence on the measurement this way. I'm curious if they are true to size.
I got a rough horizontal measurement of 39"... nearly the same as the vertical measurement. I think this particular swamper runs true to size (for the most part) tall, however it does appear to be slightly narrower, which is ok for me. I like the tall narrow look. I am impressed with the street manners of these tires, I don't have them balanced and they ride great up to 65+ on the highway. Noise is not an issue (yet) either.
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Some front end work done

Well, as I was installing the gears I found that my passenger side knuckle was cracked. Apparently having the high steer arm on the ford knuckle is putting too much stress on the knuckle. I replaced it with a junkyard stock knuckle while I save up for a pair of Reid knuckles.

I also found that the high steer arm set-up that was on there was garbage and the welds holding the system together were basically just tacked welded. Ended up rebuilding the knuckles, putting a new arm from Ruff stuff, and cleaning up the welds on the steering linkage. Should be good now for a while. Some pics:







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Got 205 in both mine, go gear or go home LOL. Haven't settled on a primary splitter case between the T19 and 205.
What trannies did you mate the 205s to?

I would love to mate a 205 to my E4OD.

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Don't mind the front bumper setup that is partially pulled apart, I am in the process of cutting all of that out of there and fabricating a new bumper/winch set up. Consequently, the 5.38 gears with the 40's is great for street driving and my crawl ratio is livable on the trail. Took it up for a little test run this week and was very happy.

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