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Second set of radius arms I'm working with. First set was just heads for duff arms, and they would not completely tighten down on the wedges. Ended up stripping them out. So i
helicoiled them, and put them aside for now. I got another set of arms from junk yard, and extended them. But I'm trying to install them right now, and same thing happens....FML! Has anyone ever made some spacers to take this room up? About 3/16 all I need. Somebody stop me or I'm doing it.
People do make spacers, but it is usually due to having a larger axle tube, like on a Dana 60. If you decide to make a spacer you will have to slot one hole in your bottom coil mount. Are you tightening in a X-pattern and just keep working a little at a time? I think I had read you lubed them which should help. Hard to tell in the pictures, but are the bushings used? If so, could they have become very hard over time and have no "give" left in them. Are you positive you have the bushings oriented properly? Sorry for the questions as you have probably already checked all that but just trying to throw some ideas out. I have done more than a few over the years with no problems. Good luck and hope you get it figured out.
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I was thinking about studs, but I have no room for the nuts on the arm side. And longer bolts end up running out of threads and have just a shoulder, that won't let me get them tight either. I've chased all the threads, and I'll get new bolts tomorrow and get the zinc polished off of them and give that a shot. Just seems odd to me that neither sets of these will go the last 1/4" without stripping.
12 point nuts take up a lot less space, I use them on aluminum cylinder heads, header studs and billet connecting rods. The fasteners from the hardware store are total crap do not use them, get some ArP ones, way stronger. You can get them from summit racing, or go to fasten all and get some grade 12 bolts. These are the nuts I am talking about.
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People do make spacers, but it is usually due to having a larger axle tube, like on a Dana 60. If you decide to make a spacer you will have to slot one hole in your bottom coil mount. Are you tightening in a X-pattern and just keep working a little at a time? I think I had read you lubed them which should help. Hard to tell in the pictures, but are the bushings used? If so, could they have become very hard over time and have no "give" left in them. Are you positive you have the bushings oriented properly? Sorry for the questions as you have probably already checked all that but just trying to throw some ideas out. I have done more than a few over the years with no problems. Good luck and hope you get it figured out.
This axle tube is 2-7/8" and this is a used pair of 2 bushings, my new pair of 7 were the same way. I'm working these as slow and evenly as anyone ever could. Brand new grade 8 hardware. I'm gonna try some studs like 445FE suggested, and see how it goes. And ya I greased the living hell outta these!


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Yeah the hardware store grade 8 stuff I think is made from a lead / tin alloy LOL. The Fastenall stuff is pretty good, you can get grade 12 there. Really I would do the ARP studs and nuts, you can get them from Summit and have them in a day or two. The main issue you are running into is the fasteners that you get from the hardware store are much too soft to handle the load.
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This axle tube is 2-7/8" and this is a used pair of 2 bushings, my new pair of 7 were the same way. I'm working these as slow and evenly as anyone ever could. Brand new grade 8 hardware. I'm gonna try some studs like 445FE suggested, and see how it goes. And ya I greased the living hell outta these!
Once last though for now. You said the radius arm stripped out on the first set, not the bolt. Was the bolt bad too when the radius arm stripped. Are you using anything to lube the bolts like never seez or anti seize? If not, I would use some. In the rust belt we used to use it a lot so you could get things back apart later, but it will also help prevent galling.
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I never use used hardware, it's just to easy to get new good stuff for me. I'll try the never seize this weekend. Can't hurt! Thanks for the input, later bro


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got studs and stuff nuts, gonna give it another shot this weekend. Wish me luck!


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Working 6-10s left me no time for the Bronco this weekend. It was Damn cold out anyway,i guess making money in the cold is better than spending it! A couple good weekends and I'll have it on rubber again.


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Still working 6 10s, but my shocks showed up at the house, along with my new fuel pump. Hope to have this weekend off, and get moving again on this. Gotta start by lowering the track bar mounting points on the frame and axle both, as it will hit the center of the crossmember after only 2" of travel. Hope to have good things to share this weekend. Later!


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I am watching you! Gotta get on mine too, so many parts so little cash " sigh"
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Finally got a weekend off, and the whole house was sick. Not much time to go work on Bronco. But today I did go out for a bit, and took off the stock transom crossmember. Slapped my new one up to see the problems. It would be perfect if there was no front driveline! I need to take it down and modify it to clear a little better. And the next issue is... My driver side radius arm will land on the crossmember right where the drive line comes down. Ugh. Not what I was hoping for I guess.


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Torch to size, hammer to fit.
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Torch to size, hammer to fit.
That almost like a work quote I use almost daily.....cut to fit, beat into place


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So I am talking my radius arms into work. Gonna put a bend in them so they don't end up so far away from the frame at the heim end.


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Bent my radius arms at our shop after work tonight. I have Saturday off this weekend and hope to get them and my crossmember worked out


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Anybody think I need a gusset inside that bend?


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They never bent stock, I would think they would be fine. I have seen the mounts rip loose of the frame before the beam bent.
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These are extended, that I made with 2" x .250" wall with a 15 bend


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