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Call Deaver, the guy that answers will be able to tell you right away. 714-542-3703
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can someone give me some specs on the deaver csh57? i tried searching csh57 here and get no results, i can find info for the deaver 4" for 78/79 but i cant be certain that they are the same as these supposed newer CSH57. I tried contacting JBG which they never responded to my inquiry and also tried calling summitt but theyre not sure. Considering how long theyve been out im baffled that there is no information from forum members or any kind of real usedful info atleast.

i really just need to get an idea of what the loaded height is going to be with a 351/e4od and everything else stock in terms of no extra weight like hd bumper or winch. the unloaded height of the spring is 23" but knowing the loaded will help me to determine how high to mount the spring tower on the frame. on random sites i read 17-20 inches which doesnt help much.

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Check out this thread about coils I wrote a while back. Specifically check out the "COILS" paragraph in post #38. That should provide the information you need.
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I started tearing everything apart and getting the new components installed for my sas but im wondering if anyone knows the fitting size on the abs pump so that I can plug one of the front lines to have just a single center drop for the front axle. I bought some but they only had the ones for 3/16 lines but the pump side of the line seems to be a larger fitting and no where online does it specify what size it is. Most likely I will have to order it online so Im trying to get that ordered before I get to that point.

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I cant remember the size that it was but i suggest not plugging a side but making a Y for it or in my case i bought a block, 2 in one out it came with a braided line.
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I started tearing everything apart and getting the new components installed for my sas but im wondering if anyone knows the fitting size on the abs pump so that I can plug one of the front lines to have just a single center drop for the front axle. I bought some but they only had the ones for 3/16 lines but the pump side of the line seems to be a larger fitting and no where online does it specify what size it is. Most likely I will have to order it online so Im trying to get that ordered before I get to that point.

My truck is a 94 xlt 351
If your doing an SAS and losing the wheel speed sensors you wont have ABS anyways and you want a single line drop for the front so then maybe you could just make a new line straight from the master cylinder and delete the ABS pump. I bet the line from the master to the pump is long enough and you could just cut the line at the pump side and flare on the fitting you want. For the rear there is a coupling just below the fire wall so that would be a short easy line as well. I just started looking into that myself for my SAS and found this thread ABS Delete 94 Bronco. Jump out the wiring harness to the ABS pump and remove the ABS relay and diode (not sure where the diode is yet).
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I cant remember the size that it was but i suggest not plugging a side but making a Y for it or in my case i bought a block, 2 in one out it came with a braided line.
did you combine the lines from the master cylinder in to one or from the abs pump?

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did you combine the lines from the master cylinder in to one or from the abs pump?
I combined from the master into one, my truck is an 84 so it doesnt have abs. I didnt notice originally that u had the pump. Like was mentioned though, i believe with a sas you wont have abs unless you do some bastardizing on the diff....

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I combined from the master into one, my truck is an 84 so it doesnt have abs. I didnt notice originally that u had the pump. Like was mentioned though, i believe with a sas you wont have abs unless you do some bastardizing on the diff....
im not trying to keep abs, i know there is no tone ring on the 79 d44 to accommodate abs, what im trying to do is figure out how to get a single line drop for the front brakes. originally i read that people plug one side of the abs pump so thats what i was kinda working off of. im open to suggestions or im thinking of just making a pigtail brake line with more common fitting size and just plugging that.

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Here is a great idea how to reroute/redo your front brake line to a single drop. Miketnf150 did it on his 95 bronco. Check out post 179-189.

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can someone give me some specs on the deaver csh57? i tried searching csh57 here and get no results, i can find info for the deaver 4" for 78/79 but i cant be certain that they are the same as these supposed newer CSH57. I tried contacting JBG which they never responded to my inquiry and also tried calling summitt but theyre not sure. Considering how long theyve been out im baffled that there is no information from forum members or any kind of real usedful info atleast.

i really just need to get an idea of what the loaded height is going to be with a 351/e4od and everything else stock in terms of no extra weight like hd bumper or winch. the unloaded height of the spring is 23" but knowing the loaded will help me to determine how high to mount the spring tower on the frame. on random sites i read 17-20 inches which doesnt help much.

any help/info is greatly appreciated.
just to put it out there for future reference, the CSH57 deaver coils in my 94 with a 351 ended up at 19.75" loaded. I gained more lift than I was expecting due to the fact that I assumed it would sit at 18.5" loaded and I also mounted the duff coil towers with it lined up to the bottom of the frame rather than an inch higher as most suggested.

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Here is a great idea how to reroute/redo your front brake line to a single drop. Miketnf150 did it on his 95 bronco. Check out post 179-189.

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I dont know how I never saw that thread, it answered everything I needed to know. Since then, I got the brake lines ran directly to front and rear from the mc and I am stoked to say that it works perfectly. I was skeptical if the stock booster/mc could handle the 78tbird calipers but they feel a million times better than the stock so im not complaining.

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Can someone give me the real deal about using the stock TTB spring buckets on a SAS?

I currently have a 6" rough country lift on my TTB. What coils would I want to run to keep a 6 inch lift in the front ? I wouldn't mind going slightly higher because of my heavy bumper and winch. Extra 150-175lbs.

Planing on using the bronco air shock relocation kit to get a decent shock on it.

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Can someone give me the real deal about using the stock TTB spring buckets on a SAS?

I currently have a 6" rough country lift on my TTB. What coils would I want to run to keep a 6 inch lift in the front ? I wouldn't mind going slightly higher because of my heavy bumper and winch. Extra 150-175lbs.

Planing on using the bronco air shock relocation kit to get a decent shock on it.

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Just responded to your PM.

Not exactly sure what your meaning by the "real deal" about the stock buckets. But basically there is no reason you can't use them as is. You can even use your existing 6" coils if you want (except for the lower mount may be an issue if your using a 78-79 lower mounting system). They will be a bit stiff for a solid axle but you can always swap them out with others later. Also, since they are 6" for a TTB they will end up being a bit more than 6" on a solid axle setup due to the leverage factor of the TTB. Use our shock brackets and pick the right shocks (I can help you with that) and your done.

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Can someone give me some insight into trac bars? Do most people make there own? If so what size DOM? I noticed some trac bars have bends in them while others are straight? I have seen BroncoAir and Duff Tuff trac bars available, Are these one size fits all? Do I need to wait until the axle is under the truck and centered before I get into this step?


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I would just buy a kit.

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Can someone give me some insight into trac bars? Do most people make there own? If so what size DOM? I noticed some trac bars have bends in them while others are straight? I have seen BroncoAir and Duff Tuff trac bars available, Are these one size fits all? Do I need to wait until the axle is under the truck and centered before I get into this step?
I think most are made with .25 wall. Straight or bend really depends on the individual setup. Less lift and you likely will have clearance issues with the pumpkin and/or part of the crossmember, again depending on what cutting you may have done or not done on the crossmemember. Length is somewhat dependent on exactly how you create the upper mount to the frame.

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Hi I am new on here and I am doing a solid axle swap in my 94 F-150 with a 1978 Dana 44 axle I was wondering what degree bushings do I use with drop brackets it with a 6 inch lift coil spring and do I use to Springs from the 1978 and 79 Bronco and what size drop brackets should I use is there different size drop brackets or there's one standard size that you use with the 78 mount also what drice shaft should i use
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Hi I am new on here and I am doing a solid axle swap in my 94 F-150 with a 1978 Dana 44 axle I was wondering what degree bushings do I use with drop brackets it with a 6 inch lift coil spring and do I use to Springs from the 1978 and 79 Bronco and what size drop brackets should I use is there different size drop brackets or there's one standard size that you use with the 78 mount also what drice shaft should i use
The question is how much lift are you planning to have? What coil buckets/ radius arms/ drop brackets are you using? The drive shaft could still be used, but make sure you get the yoke off the TTB dana 44 and put it on the solid axle.
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78 stock coil buckets and seats
Bronco Graveyard 4-6 inch radius arm brackets
springs shackle flip brackets 4.5 inch lift
4 inch block under spring
33 inch tires
6 inch coil springs
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what shims should I put under my rear springs
I am going from a two-wheel drive to a four-wheel drive so what drive shaft should I use and would a stock F-150 transmission with transfer case with a 4-speed overdrive be good for this build
What polyurethane radius arm bushing should i use or should i just go two degrees stock
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I've been serach for which radius arm bracket to go with on my SAS. I will be using a set of Bronco Bob's extended radius arms on a 79 Dana 44. I want it to have a clean look and really like this BDS bracket. Does anyone out there have a set that they will part with for some $$

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