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Engine Tear Down Rack - need ideas

I've googled like crazy but I haven't had much luck finding a solution, so I'm turning to the power of FSB... please help me.


I Need a better way for the kids to tear down engines, presently they share metal tables to spread the parts out on. Not so bad for one engine but when you get a group of 20 kids on 10 engines... well they don't go back to gather with the same parts. And its messy as hell.

I know they make plastic trays for the valve train, but what about pistons, cranks, main/rod bearings?

I need some solutions I can either buy or make, to turn this into an effect learning experience. What do those tech course use for engine building?
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I came across that in my travels, not a bad for the pistons but still.

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build on it.

you have a basic idea to use. Now add something to hold the bearings.

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make it a little longer. maybe use some PVC pipe cut lenth wise for the bearings along side each piston on the botton rack.

labeled as such. maybe make a top tray which would hold the mains. since the mains are in before the block before the pistons, and are the last thing pulled out.

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make it a little longer. maybe use some PVC pipe cut lenth wise for the bearings along side each piston on the botton rack.

labeled as such. maybe make a top tray which would hold the mains. since the mains are in before the block before the pistons, and are the last thing pulled out.
The first one to build might be fun but the other 9 would suck. Rather find something more complete.
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I need some solutions I can either buy or make, to turn this into an effect learning experience. What do those tech course use for engine building?
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The first one to build might be fun but the other 9 would suck. Rather find something more complete.


sounds to me your going to turn this into a learning expierence and make the class make the other 9 trays.

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At my school we only have wood top work tables to put everything on. And we have to mark everything as it comes out, or mostly note the marks. Usually our teachers will screw with what we have laid out so we can't just put it back together in reverse of how we dissasembled it.

Actually in manual transmission class after we had the entire thing laying on a bench in pieces our teacher came around to each table, jumbled everything up and added extra parts. Then we left for the weekend. I learn A LOT it that class.

Basically what im saying....maybe its better if everything isn't exactly orderly, because it rarley ever is in a garage.

Altough a small stand to hold the crank would have been nice...and something to keep the pushrods in order.

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sounds to me your going to turn this into a learning expierence and make the class make the other 9 trays.
Would actually be a good learning experience-if you don't have the ideal tool, improvise for a better one.

If you want you could have that be a project in and of itself-give them basic materials and a list of goals (or not depending on the level of the class and pre requisites) and see what you could back. I am sure they could teach us a thing or two.

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I've never been in a mechanic's learning environment/classroom, but have taught Biology for 3 years and a lab tech for 3 years at Indiana University. We used carts. In my brother's garage, where I do most of my wrenching, we have quite a few carts and are working on quite a few projects at the same time and the carts keep everything seperate and organized... (Not 10 projects, but a 78 BKO 460 build, BKO II 22R Turbo build, rock crawler 472 30over build, S10 350 build, 89 351w build, Bayou build, and a go cart build. Kinda hard to keep the stuff seperated without the carts.)

I guess space for a bunch of carts would definately be a factor. Also, budget, there are quite a few nice work space carts on the market such as the SnapOn ones. All of ours were bought at different industrial auctions over the years and either used as is, or modified to fit our needs.
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How about buying these cheap 18x30 carts when they go on sale-

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=5107



Cut the top tray to be able to drop the pistons through.
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How about buying these cheap 18x30 carts when they go on sale-

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Cut the top tray to be able to drop the pistons through.
At 39.99 each, I might have to get a few more.

I have a couple of carts like this one. I did weld a frame of angle iron to them to take out the flimsiness, they work great and have held up. I also changed one of the carts like this one by swapping 2 of the castors with locking type and 2 with swivel type castors. Got a big box of castors at an auction a few years back and have definately got my money out of them.
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At 39.99 each, I might have to get a few more.

I have a couple of carts like this one. I did weld a frame of angle iron to them to take out the flimsiness, they work great and have held up. I also changed one of the carts like this one by swapping 2 of the castors with locking type and 2 with swivel type castors. Got a big box of castors at an auction a few years back and have definately got my money out of them.
They're currently on sale in the stores at $34.99. Wait till the weekend and you can use a 20% off coupon on it and end up paying $28.
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Cart is the best idea thus far. Trying to also keep the mess to a control.
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I would go with the carts. They can be easily marked for identification which could be assigned for each student for the year and they are on wheels so they can easily be moved around. You could also tack in some walls for various compartments if you wish, or add another shelf in there.

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I would go with the carts. They can be easily marked for identification which could be assigned for each student for the year and they are on wheels so they can easily be moved around. You could also tack in some walls for various compartments if you wish, or add another shelf in there.
Could even use dry erase markers to write notes on the sides.
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we used a work bench in my engines class...which the bottom half was metal, and the top was wooden. it had small drawers going across the top and two sliding doors on the bottom going from side to side. So pretty much 3 levels of storage.

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we used a work bench in my engines class...which the bottom half was metal, and the top was wooden. it had small drawers going across the top and two sliding doors on the bottom going from side to side. So pretty much 3 levels of storage.

boss, do you have these?
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Not yet, but will be getting some.
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