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Advice Needed - Another Welder or Sell Old and Get a Bigger One

Hi guys I could use some advice.

I currently have a Hobart 140 with gas and am very happy with it. I have been considering doing some more heavy projects like bumpers and d ring shackle attachments that require more gusto.

I was considering picking up a tombstone welder or a stickman for the heavier jobs. I have 220 for my compressor, plasma and hoist so i have the juice.

Alternatively I could sell the 140 and pick up a larger MIG to do the job of both the stick and my little MIG.

I would like to keep the budget around 500-700 if I go with a new to me MIG.

Or do you think the 140 can do bumpers and my amateur skills will hold me back before the welder.

Guess this is what they mean saying, "buy bigger than you need cause you'll need it."

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The mounting brackets for bumpers are, typically, 1/4" or thicker. I think you'll hit the duty cycle on the 140 welder if you've got long runs on the brackets or for welding up the body of the bumper, which requires long and frequent "drag" passes. Also, D-rings are 3/4" to 1" thick and you will not get the penetration necessary to be structurally sound for the intended application/purpose. You can get away with a MIG like a Lincoln 256, or a Miller 252, or, something of the equivalent.

References for experience with subject matter:

-previous Manufacturing Supervisor at ICI (makers of the Magnum Bumper line).
-AWS D1.1, GMAW process, 3G/4G, certified welder.



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The mounting brackets for bumpers are, typically, 1/4" or thicker. I think you'll hit the duty cycle on the 140 welder if you've got long runs on the brackets or for welding up the body of the bumper. Also, D-rings are 3/4" to 1" thick and you will not get the penetration necessary to be structurally sound. You can get away with a MIG like a Lincoln 256, or a Miller 252, or, something of the equivalent.

References for experience with subject matter:

-Manufacturing Supervisor at ICI (makers of the Magnum Bumper line).
-AWS D1.1, GMAW process, 3G/4G, certified welder.



Just my $0.02.
Thanks- that is super solid response and right along what I expected to hear.

Appreciate your help.



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Sure thing. Happy fabbing, brother.
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something like this would work if you dont mind stick welding.

Lincoln Idealarc AC DC 250Amp Tombstone Welder 220V Welder Continues | eBay


Theres some decent off brand stuff in the 200 amp range on ebay.
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Looks like I should get some grade 8 mountable shackles from trailgear vs. a $2k welder!!

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A good welder lasts a long time, and will pay for itself if you use it often enough.
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Just a heads up, Eastwoods is running a sale right now and free shipping. 175A MIG for $450, 250A MIG for $720.

They run similar sales a few times a year... this one ends tomorrow.

One thing to consider with the D-Ring mounts... they are 3/4-1" thick, but you're usually welding them to something thinner.
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You can check Craigslist for deals on used welders. Usually, if the welder is sourced from a reputable company that is liquidating equipment, or, phasing out old stuff for newer, you can score a pretty good deal. Good/professional companies will send their machines out for repair at authorized/certified repair centers and you can be, fairly, confident that they were well-maintained and are in good shape.

I have an old Lincoln 255, from 2002, that has been professionally serviced its entire life and has had most of the internals replaced with new, factory, parts. The exterior case is pretty worn, but, the welder, itself, performs flawlessly. I'm not even a "Lincoln guy". I prefer Miller. However, I scored it in exchange for doing some structural work for a company. It was old and they were just going to throw it out because they purchased 18 all-new welders. They threw it in on top of my payout.

So, yeah... check Craigslist frequently, or, talk to some local fab companies and see if they have anything they're willing to part with for a good price.
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something like this would work if you dont mind stick welding.

Lincoln Idealarc AC DC 250Amp Tombstone Welder 220V Welder Continues | eBay


Theres some decent off brand stuff in the 200 amp range on ebay.
I think that's gonna fit the bill. I like the AC/DC option.

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You can check Craigslist for deals on used welders. Usually, if the welder is sourced from a reputable company that is liquidating equipment, or, phasing out old stuff for newer, you can score a pretty good deal. Good/professional companies will send their machines out for repair at authorized/certified repair centers and you can be, fairly, confident that they were well-maintained and are in good shape.

I have an old Lincoln 255, from 2002, that has been professionally serviced its entire life and has had most of the internals replaced with new, factory, parts. The exterior case is pretty worn, but, the welder, itself, performs flawlessly. I'm not even a "Lincoln guy". I prefer Miller. However, I scored it in exchange for doing some structural work for a company. It was old and they were just going to throw it out because they purchased 18 all-new welders. They threw it in on top of my payout.

So, yeah... check Craigslist frequently, or, talk to some local fab companies and see if they have anything they're willing to part with for a good price.
Thx!! Great resource here from you guys.

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Just a heads up, Eastwoods is running a sale right now and free shipping. 175A MIG for $450, 250A MIG for $720.

They run similar sales a few times a year... this one ends tomorrow.

One thing to consider with the D-Ring mounts... they are 3/4-1" thick, but you're usually welding them to something thinner.
Nice!! I have an Eastwood plasma cutter. I have a local guy that sells Eastwood stuff.

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its hard to beat those old lincoln tombstone welders. they are so simple, not much can go wrong with them.

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I had a Hobart handler 140, 220v. It was great for mild jobs, but once I took it to 1/4 inch plate and schedule 80 pipe, it got too hot real quick. About 12" of bead before it shut down.

I currently have millermatic 211 MVP and like it a lot better. It handles 1/4 in aluminum well, and I've done a bit of steel with it too. Unfortunately it doesn't fit your price range.
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I had a Hobart handler 140, 220v. It was great for mild jobs, but once I took it to 1/4 inch plate and schedule 80 pipe, it got too hot real quick. About 12" of bead before it shut down.

I currently have millermatic 211 MVP and like it a lot better. It handles 1/4 in aluminum well, and I've done a bit of steel with it too. Unfortunately it doesn't fit your price range.
Thx man. That seems to be the best unit for the nonprofessional.



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I got a hobart ironman 230 last year for my home shop and have nothing but good things to say about it. It welds up to 1/2" i believe. The price on it was out of the range you are talking about, but i think for fabrication i would do that again. I think if i was in your position and with the price range i would think about getting a tombstone arc welder to go with the smaller mig. I would think that would cover most everything.
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I got a hobart ironman 230 last year for my home shop and have nothing but good things to say about it. It welds up to 1/2" i believe. The price on it was out of the range you are talking about, but i think for fabrication i would do that again. I think if i was in your position and with the price range i would think about getting a tombstone arc welder to go with the smaller mig. I would think that would cover most everything.
Yep there are loads of them on Craigslist for about $120 or less. I'll pick one up this week.

That should be a good combination and fun as heck too! I saw a stickman for $150 too. Might be nice to keep it in the Hobart family.... I guess Lincoln is that family too technically.

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Update -
Bought on old buzz box on Craigslist for $50. Can't really go wrong with that. I could sell it in 15 minutes if I want to.

I'll keep an eye out for a Miller 211 or Lincoln 180 and consolidate my machines but this should work. I'm interested in learning stick welding anyway.





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Well, you would be the 10th guy i personally know running one. The fact that there are so many still up and running after so long speaks volumes for them. Tombstone welders are to welders what a 1911 .45 is to handguns it seems. Nothing wrong with a design that has stood the test of time and is surely durable.
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It'll be fun to restore too. Gonna crack it open and clean it up a bit.

Maybe repaint it.

Fun project

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