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post #21 of 35 (permalink) Old 08-15-2015, 01:44 PM
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I put a 414w in my bronco and it will beat a raptor. Not only in a street drag race, but in the rough desert.

You can check out my build thread, I haven't posted much lately.

My motor is a 408 stroker, but .060 over.

It has a probe bottom end with lightweight I-beam rods, forged pistons and cast crank.

It has windsor Sr. heads, small comp cam, weiland stealth manifold, msd6 off road ignition with billet dizzy. Longtube headman headers. 2.5" pipes off the headers into a magnaflow with 2 2.5" inlets and a 3" outlet. I had a holley 3310 750cfm carb with vac secondaries, but it sat for a while and needs a rebuild. I put a summit racing 600cfm street and strip carb on to try and get more bottom end response and fuel economy, and that was a wise move. It is very manageable, and I may have lost a little bit of top end blast, but it is better for desert with the smaller carb.

It has lots of torque. Im running 3.55 gears and a c-6. It works ok on the highway.
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I do know with a set of Twisted Wedge Trick Flows and a 410 Stroker you can achieve 1.5 HP per cube, that is an easy 600 HP. Try that with a set of stock 385 heads and with an aluminum intake, heads and headers you will be about 300 pounds lighter in the front end easy. Power mods for Windsors are the new SB chubby thanks to the Stang guys, I have seen Cleavors eating up 502 BBs all day with the right tuning. If you really want a bomber get an aftermarket 4 bolt Windsor block, stroke to 427, put a set of aluminum Cleaveland canted 2v heads on and run E85 @ 13:1 and spray. OH don't forget the harness and cage too, you might need it.
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Dollar per HP big block will win everytime. You can't compare a stroked windsor with aftermarket heads to a stock big block. Take a pre 79 Big Block short block and spend the same money for heads as you would have for the windsor.

Don't worry about finding a pre 79 motor, you just want to put one together just like was built pre 79. Late model blocks decked to 10.300 a good set of Probe 2404 dished pistons will give you 9.5 or 10:1 compression with a set of Trick Flow PowerPort 295 heads. A good Hydrualic flat tappet cam like the Comp X4270 or X4278 will make a nice pump gas friendly setup. Use an Edelbrock RPM Air-Gap or Wieand Stealth, Air-Gap being more preferred intake. A vac secondary 750 CFM carb for drivability.

Don't even think about using a hydraulic roller cam in a BBF. The push rod length, angle of the push rod, and extra dollars are not worth the effort. You gain nothing other than reduced friction in the roller but adds additional wear to the lifter bore, pushrod pocket of the lifter, and rocker arms. The problem is caused by the increased height of the pushrod seat in the lifter.
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Why not a solid roller 351 based stroker EFI? I have 3 of those that make over 580HP and 10.80s in a ligtning
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I would lean towards the 460. Durability and a higher ceiling if you want to add more power later. I don't know that the weight matters as much when you are already driving a 5000 pound brick.
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410 Windsor stroker, more bang for the buck. Scat stroker kit, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads, roller cam and rockers, Trick Flow intake and your rockin the house.
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I wonder what he ended up getting.

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Probably the same thing I got now, a pile of assorted parts LOL.
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410 Windsor stroker, more bang for the buck. Scat stroker kit, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads, roller cam and rockers, Trick Flow intake and your rockin the house.
You just spent as much as you would have for a stroked 514-545. With that kind of money, a Hydraulic flat tappet cam a 550-600HP torque monster is easy peasy with that many cubic inches. And no worries about the block splitting down the middle. BBF don't need the main girdle or 4 bolt mains like Windsor blocks need. A BBF standard 2 bolt block can support up to 1000HP if the tune is right. Any motor that suffers with detonation is going to experience main cap walk.
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Parts are cheaper though, I have a over the top FE and I spent big bucks. I could have built three Winsors with World blocks already.
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Parts like crank, heads, rods, and pistons are about the same price between BBF and Windsor.


If someone wanted to save cost on a BBF a cast crank and I beam rods will easily support 700 hp where as you would need forged crank and H Beam in a Windsor.

Someone can take a very basic BBF with factory crank and rods add off the shelf unported aluminum heads, a good cam and intake and hit 500 HP. You can't do that with a Windsor. The torque curves are completely different too. BBF peak torque will be at a lower RPM with the BBF than the Windsor. Perfect for any 4WD vehicle. BBF don't need to go past 5500 to be effective.
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I suppose a reasonable build could be done, another factor is weight. But it is a truck and not a Mustang, I did my FE mostly because I always wanted to build one. Had a lot of them growing up and in work trucks over the years and they are tuff boogers. When I looked at doing a 385 the heads were big money and so were the stroker kits, also roller cams and rockers were insane money. But I have 1200 just in rockers in my FE so mine weren't cheap either. Originally my engine was intended for a drag car so my intent was light weight and lots of compression. Now the car is gone but I still have the engine. I haven't seen too many cheap aluminum 460 heads but I think Edelbrock came out with a set recently which would level the field some, before that the only decent heads were John Kaase or one other brand that I forget their name. The other factor for me would be acessories like exhaust and other stuff, I am adapting over a serpentine drive off of a Winsor but it will take some doing, on a 460 things might be just as hard with headers and such. I know for me i am going to have to do a lot of fabrication to make it work. I suppose if I were doing a 78-79 it would be easier but I already have the engine and came across a decent body for on the cheap. I had to stop the complete drivetrain anyhow to handle the extra power so that is another consideration when making an engine choice also, and more weight just agrivates the situation. But everything has a plus and minus I guess.
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I have always been a big block fan. The modular motors seemed to change everything though. Raw from a stop torque is the king of the big block though, and heavy trucks seem to like that the best. There are quite a few 460 heads out there now. Ford performance, a couple of different options from edelbrock, trick flow, afr, Jon Kaase and maybe some i have missed. The 460 has plenty of aftermarket parts out there. Maybe not compared to a small block, but plentiful enough to do just about anything you want.
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The FE is the most expensive Ford pushrod v8 to make power with, good Lord are the parts high, just a basic intake for one averages 100 more than it's 385 or Windsor counterpart. To me, there is no better bang for the buck than a 351w. Block is good to 750HP and they weigh nothing compared to a big block or Cleveland. With Aluminum heads and a roller valve train in a factory roller block it's cake to make 500 flywheel HP and maintain a long service life.


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What about hp per dollar? I think it is going to be a wash. What about durability? I think you are going to be asking less of a big block to produce 400 foot pounds of torque than a 351 for instance. This would be like the difference in duty cycle i would think.
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