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My solution is we all build our trucks bigger, go down to D.C. and start rolling over the tops of these douche bag politicians cars. Then they will beg us tot get out of the city and probably even designate land plots specifically for off roading.

Nahhh if i were Chuck Norris thats what i'd do. Cause you just don't f*ck with chuck.

but this is very discouraging to hear.


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The trouble here is the liberal socialists who are constantly being elected in CA don't know or care jack shit about hunting, fishing, guns/ammunition OR Off Roading etc. etc. etc. ......

These are clearly Americans who love America but can't stand other Americans enjoying the right to pursue happiness what ever that maybe.....

CA is bankrupt so why not raise money by letting people enjoy these activies, I don't understand why they don't see that....?
Everytime someone buys any related equipment for these activities, hunting, fishing, guns/ammunition etc. etc. etc., IIRC the tax or part of it goes in to the Fish and Game Wildlife Fund set up by Teddy Rosevelt to manage and protect, preserve for OUR public use.

I've got to believe the fund is staggering $$$$$$$$$ so politicians shouldn't have to right to close anything without OUR voted permission and that's the political angle we should respond to ...AND add some of the tax from Off Road equipment sales and park fee's into the mix...

I can't imagine ANY Off Roader, good or bad etc..doing any serious damage to the land compared to STRIP MINING" gouging up millions of acres, desecrating and destroying the landscape FOREVER without ever having to repair and replenish the horrible damage they do for a fuel we really don't need any longer, not to mention sending good men to their death down in the bowels of the earth....for what?

Demand an explanation as tax payers and let them show cause as to why we're being denied access to any public lands that we're paying for to protect, preserve and maintain as Teddy Rosevelt LEGALLY intended......

I believe it's our constitutional right, is it not.....?

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The trouble here is the liberal socialists who are constantly being elected in CA don't know or care jack shit about hunting, fishing, guns/ammunition OR Off Roading etc. etc. etc. ......

These are clearly Americans who love America but can't stand other Americans enjoying the right to pursue happiness what ever that maybe.....

CA is bankrupt so why not raise money by letting people enjoy these activies, I don't understand why they don't see that....?
Everytime someone buys any related equipment for these activities, hunting, fishing, guns/ammunition etc. etc. etc., IIRC the tax or part of it goes in to the Fish and Game Wildlife Fund set up by Teddy Rosevelt to manage and protect, preserve for OUR public use..
I've got to believe the fund is staggering $$$$$$$$$ so politicians shouldn't have to right to close anything without OUR voted permission and that's the political angle we should respond to ...AND add some of the tax from Off Road equipment sales and park fee's into the mix...

I can't imagine ANY Off Roader, good or bad etc..doing any serious damage to the land compared to STRIP MINING" gouging millions of acres, desecrating and destroying the landscape FOREVER without ever having to repair and replenish the horrible damage they do for a fuel we really don't need any longer, not to mention sending good men to thier death down in the bowels of the earth....for what?

Demand an explanation as tax payers and let them show cause as to why we're being denied access to any public lands that we're paying for to protect, preserve and maintain as Teddy Rosevelt LEAGALLY intended......

I believe it's our constitutional right, is it not.....?

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As far as making revenue on these activities, they don't care. Its about control. If you listen to the left, they are all about "bicycles, buses, and trains." They think China's got it right and we are ruining them by introducing vehicles to the masses.

Here's what the Hot Rodders are seeing and doing;

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The bottom line is that off-roading causes little if any damage to a specified, constrained set of trails and other designated spaces. If the tree huggers don't like it, there are hundreds of thousands of hiking trails all over this country that people can enjoy. We are not running all over God's creation trampling all the little poor forest creatures and knocking down mountains as we climb them. 4x4 trails and other ATV trails, are a very small percentage of all the open trails in this country..., probably less that 1 percent. The truth is that any movement across ground, whether by horse, by foot, by monster knobby tires, etc... causes damage. Forest fires sweep across the landscape and 20 years later, the damage is all but erased. Eventually nature repairs it and it gets destroyed again and again. That is how our world works. Our eco system is not as fragile as the tree huggers want you to believe.


This is about control. About telling people what the can do and can't do. They want us to stay home on our couches and watch the discovery channel to experience nature rather than getting out there and enjoying it our way. We are slowly loosing every freedom we have. I don't doubt they will eventually ban vehicles like our old Broncos.

Time to start taking a stand for personal freedom.
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"That is one of the best bills passed. We need places where it is quiet and free of off road terrorists and be able to enjoy nature. If they are not protected they will be ruined by off roaders or land developers."


I think G.W.Bush said that.. hey i voted for him.
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190,000 more acres locked up so nobody can go an enjoy them. Pretty soon the only off-roading you will be able to do is in other countries.

http://www.pe.com/politics/goad/stor...1.38a6c0d.html
seems to me that with that many acres some should be set aside of offroaders...if you keep locking it down we will be forced to ride in places where we normally wouldnt...like over peoples garden gnomes and stuff...

Hee Hee!!! I have a torch, and a welder and way too much time on my hands

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You need a group like blue ribbon colation to help fight to keep the land open to be enjoyed by all.. Tread lightly so we can have places to take our kids camping and how to live off the land. But you always have those who think its ok to dump there trash and to just tear up stuff.. As a 4x4 club member in a few different clubs we do clean ups and try to help new owers of 4x4's understand the rules of off roading. We try to teach take out what you take in. I could rant about this allday but it pisses me off to know my kids want be able to enjoy nature.
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Maybe we should all drive our Bronco's to Washington DC to protest, maybe stink up the atmosphere a bit, drive around on the White House front lawn and tailgate party til the wee hours....lol lol...

I like to see the NRA and other shooting orgaizations join in on this because it hits close to home there as well.

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The conservative part of the NRA and all of the other gun rights organizations are full in line with us on keeping trails open and public land public but the loony left with their envirowhackos are doing their damndest to close off all public land...to the public. One of the biggest loonies is Harry "the pencil neck" Reid...yes senate majority leader and head asshole from Nevada who teamed up with a bunch of socialist freaks headquartered in Alaska no less called the Nevada Wilderness Society and they wanted to close off ALL Sierra public land, roads and trails to any vehicular traffic including fire trucks. If you wanted to go there... hike. Reid backed this 100%. Fortunatley they got run out of Nevada and old pencil neck just went back to DC. I'm sure they're still sizzling in California because of the wonderfully friendly liberal atmosphere there.

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Those environmentalists are so greedy and hateful to the OHV community it's not even funny anymore, they're afraid that a 4x4 might run into them while they're hugging a tree, BS!!!!!! Those lands are ours too! I seen a bumper sticker a while ago, Public Land Means Public Access. Just cause a small group of irresponsible OHV users that litter or go off the trail dosen't mean that the rest of us do! If I see any litter on a trail, I stop and pick it up, I want that trail to be there the next time I come. It seems like every spring when I head up to the mountains, more OHV trails are closed.
I'll second that! They are doing the same thing here in the Lake Mead National Rec Area. I sure miss wheelin on the roads 10-15 years ago.
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i don't even know where they get all this "ruining our land" shit, everything looks exactly the same as it did years ago! Take the salton sea recreation area. If you took all forms of vehicles out for ten years, I guarantee it would look EXACTLY the same. Their idea of "hikers only" is absurd, because they will trash the shit too. There are bad apples in EVERY group. Why wouldn't there be hikers who do not want to carry their trash out? I bet 4 wheeler's are cleaner, we don't have to carry our shit, we put it in our trucks :) Time to get multiple 4x4 clubs together, and start lobbying for OUR cause!
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There is land everywhere, it's just a control issue. Could you imagine if the settlers were crossing over and the town Marshall's came up and said sorry you have to leave the wagon's and horses and pack all your supplies to your new homes. We don't allow off road terrorists here. Look at all the people that don't understand with all the new construction why there are wild animals like deer, rabbits, rattlers, and coyotes in their front yards. They have been pushed out and have nowhere else to go! Like off-roaders with no place left to wheel, camp, and teach the kids how to fish. At some point we need to bond together and say enough is enough. Organizing clean-up crews is actually fun because you're doing something positive and you get to see other guy's rigs sort of like a meet-n-great with a greater purpose. Here in California it's becoming out of control how much older vehicles, especially off road ones, are being hated and tougher and tougher restrictions are being shoved down our throats and environmental groups are laughing because we aren't grouping together to fight them back. I do my part when I can but know I need to step up 1000% more too...... I think we all just need some direction? -Kevin-

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Didn't know if this has already been posted but thought y'all might need to look at this...

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Maybe we should all drive our Bronco's to Washington DC to protest, maybe stink up the atmosphere a bit, drive around on the White House front lawn and tailgate party til the wee hours....lol lol...

I like to see the NRA and other shooting orgaizations join in on this because it hits close to home there as well.

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That would work but we might get shot after smashing down the 10' tall steel fence with our bronco's. They might see us coming hours before we get there too, have you ever drove through down town D.C.? Penselvania Ave. is the worst.

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I expect within my lifetime for everything i enjoy doing to be made illegal.
it's sickening how our freedoms are disappearing so rapidly and nobody seems to care.

offroading will be nearly phased out within the next 20 years (as if it already isn't)

modifying your car will be even more illegal than it is now, it will reach a point where the only "mods" you can do are things like changing the stereo, seat covers or paint job. suspension and engine mods will be completely illegal.




on a somewhat related side note, i attempted to go "offroading" yesterday. we went to a place where there are some dirt roads and dry river bed full of rocks. we were there for an hour or so before a forest ranger showed up, and sent us home (luckily he didn't give us all $2500 tickets). he told us "if you want to go offroad, go to hungry valley"
then he lectured us about the erosion, fish, stirring up the mud and other eco destruction we were causing (i repeat, dry river bed full of rocks)

hungry valley is about 2 hours drive from here, and the next closest offroad place is 3 or 4 hours. hungry valley is dirt roads full of bikes and quads, except for a tiny (acre or so) "truck area" where there are a few man made obstacles, which you can only do so many times before they get old.

Every time my friends and i want to go offroading for a weekend,i rack my brain tryin to think of somewhere to go that won't cost us $400 in gas and take half a day to get to. with the exception of hungry valley (which sucks ass) there is nowhere else to go. it really pisses me off.

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This is another example of how they use class warfare to eliminate our rights.
This has nothing to do with those off-road terrorists.

I know from being on the inside that it is about land control.
We can't even lay the blame at Obama's feet.
This has been going on for years.

The US Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management were originally set up as land management agencies to administer Federal Lands (lands OWNED by the american public) to utilize and manage their resources to aid in generating revenue.

In the last several years there has been a concerted effort to replace the heads of the US land management agencies with extremists whose goal it is to shut down all use and close off access to everyone except those the govt. elite select. The new attitude of these land management heads is to manage ALL federal lands in the manner that the National Parks have been run. Close off access and only those who buy permits are allowed to enter.
These lands are OUR lands and we are allowing the Govt. to shut us out.

Look into this and see for yourselves, the new mission for these agencies will tell you all you need to know about what is really going on.

You just might be a redneck if you start a conversation with:
"happened to us when Dad got pinched by the feds."
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It doesn't stop there unfortunately.

The ultimate agenda is to eventually eliminate ALL private land ownership.
Then the Govt. will have total control over all lands and they intend to move the masses all into consolidated urban settings and have full control of the natural resources.

Anyone heard the terms sustainable, safe, affordable, livable communities bandied about lately? If you haven't you've probably been living under a rock for awhile.

They sound wonderful and glorious! The perfect utopian society.
Look into what they really mean and what is going on even at the local levels.

Read up on United Nations Agenda 21 and see what the goal is and how much it sounds exactly like what is going on in cities and local communities around the country.

This is just another step towards that end goal.
The way they achieve this to vilify a segment of society that is in the minority so the masses will support their "worthy" cause and rid society of these evil people.
This time it is those evil off-roaders in their carbon polluting machines, next time they will vilify someone else and the march goes on.

You just might be a redneck if you start a conversation with:
"happened to us when Dad got pinched by the feds."
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