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post #41 of 45 (permalink) Old 12-31-2012, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by buffaloroams View Post

The way they achieve this to vilify a segment of society that is in the minority so the masses will support their "worthy" cause and rid society of these evil people.

yep you nailed it. i see it all the time and try to explain it to liberals (hopeless of course) how easy it is to take away ALL freedoms, since they do them one at a time, affecting only a minority group with each one, and the stupid majority goes along with it.

do something that negatively affects 5% of the people, only that 5% will care.. the other 95% won't care much.. easy to take rights away from the 5% then, and move on to the next 5%, rinse and repeat.

no smoking laws, trans fats, farming laws, zoning laws, tax hikes on select groups, vehicle laws, pollution laws, recycling laws, land access laws, land seizes... the list is endless, and everybody is affected by it in some way.


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Their reasoning is basically the fault of vandalism and littering; wheelers aren't the only ones who do that. Plenty of people, whether on foot, bicycle, or truck do it.
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Originally Posted by jackhart View Post
you can blame obama if you want, since he signed the bill, but the truth of the matter is, it's the people who push for these types of closures that are the real problem. witness this guy's comment to the link provided:

"That is one of the best bills passed. We need places where it is quiet and free of off road terrorists and be able to enjoy nature. If they are not protected they will be ruined by off roaders or land developers."

that is the reality of what we off roaders face today. we are treated as the enemy. mostly because of a minority of law breaking yahoos who destroy property, litter, etc. Like it or not, that is the perception of our sport. yet most of us sit back and do nothing, fail to write our representatives or get involved, or get organized period. imo, we have only ourselves to blame.


Thats a kind of stupid that cant be fixed. And i have to say... ive seen terrorists.... i dont think FSB has any of those.

Either way... he's on my shit list.

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Lots of the wilderness is suppose to be untouched..only foot traffic. Now where they allow off-road vehicles...people aren't responsible and they try to put liability on the government since it's government owned.

People clearly aren't respectful anymore. One bad apple can ruin the whole bunch. That's how it is. Watch who you hang out with because when they will too.

If you want to ride on these areas...promote a clean forest, do clean up days, be big in the forest community. Doesn't mean you have to be a "tree hugger". Our environment is needed for future generations and at the rate of urban and agricultural sprawl...we're losing forest daily.

You can work with the government with this situation if you team up, be responsible, and push the bad folks out, and even get involved with these environmental with them...let them see your view and you see theirs. Working together is the only way.

One main thing might be an issue is bogging up a river or creek...which in returns hurts wildlife...mainly fish since the sediment stirred up with deprive them of oxygen.

And most of these national forest out west were land that homesteaders didn't take with the homestead act. The government didn't TAKE them...they just took what no one want..usually land that people saw was unfit for farming.

So act...don't get mad.
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Went out to what i thought was BLM land a couple weeks ago in Riverside area near lake mathews. Got chased off.....apparently its no longer accessible and the sheriffs out there are citing people for going out there now. Sucks to lose a close by spot that you could wheel and shoot at.
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