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t19 swap?

Swapping in a t19/205 for the c6/205 in my 1978 f150, and running into some problems.

I bought the trans and tcase from a junkyard about 3 hours away, got home and found that the adapter housing on the 205 will not bolt up to the t19. Wondering if anyone else has run into this problem.

I talked with the yard I got it from, and from the measurements I gave them all they could come up with is an aluminum adapter that came on the np208/bw1356 tcases. Would this work?

t19 is from an 86 f350 if that helps.
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tcase in ford all share the same bolt pattern and spline count

the adapter will work if it does not have the notch for the shifter rod then cut one in
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Swapping in a t19 in my 1978 f150, ...t19 is from an 86 f350
Cool! :)

That transmission's going to kick butt. :)

You seen this? :)
http://www.novak-adapt.com/images/gr...ecs_gasket.gif

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More gear ratios just for comparison...
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th -R-
T18 ========== 6.32 3.09 1.69 1.00 === r7.44
ZF M5OD-HD ==== 5.72 2.94 1.61 1.00 0.76 r5.24
Mazda M5OD-R2 =- 3.91 2.24 1.49 1.00 0.80 r3.39
NP435 ======== 6.69 3.34 1.74 1.00 === r8.26
E4OD ========= 2.71 1.53 1.00 === 0.71 r2.18
Clark282V ====== 6.99 4.09 2.17 1.17 1.00 r5.89
NV 4500 ======= 5.61 3.04 1.67 1.00 0.73 r5.61

Alvin in AZ don't know nuthin''bout 4wd stuff :/
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Butthead, you should put that in the transmission and tcase information sticky

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Swapping in a t19/205 for the c6/205 in my 1978 f150, and running into some problems.

I bought the trans and tcase from a junkyard about 3 hours away, got home and found that the adapter housing on the 205 will not bolt up to the t19. Wondering if anyone else has run into this problem.

I talked with the yard I got it from, and from the measurements I gave them all they could come up with is an aluminum adapter that came on the np208/bw1356 tcases. Would this work?

t19 is from an 86 f350 if that helps.
What parts exactly did you get?
Is the trans a 4wd trans?
Was the transfer case adapter from that trans??
Or did the transfer case adapter come from the 205?
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What parts exactly did you get?
Is the trans a 4wd trans?
Was the transfer case adapter from that trans??
Or did the transfer case adapter come from the 205?
The trans is a 4wd, as it has the trapezoid pattern and not the square. The transfer case had the adapter on it.

I had an idea that there were different adapters between the c6 and manuals, just didnt have any measurements to go off.

Alvin in AZ, I have seen the Novak website. Decided on the t19 for the syncro'd first gear, and ended up getting one with the 4:1 gear as well. Should work well on the street with 33's and 3.50 gears.
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The trans is a 4wd, as it has the trapezoid pattern and not the square. The transfer case had the adapter on it.

I had an idea that there were different adapters between the c6 and manuals, just didnt have any measurements to go off.

Alvin in AZ, I have seen the Novak website. Decided on the t19 for the syncro'd first gear, and ended up getting one with the 4:1 gear as well. Should work well on the street with 33's and 3.50 gears.
So where is the adapter that was on the T-19? Is that the aluminum adapter that they are offering you? If so it should work. A T18 adapter will probably work as well.
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So where is the adapter that was on the T-19? Is that the aluminum adapter that they are offering you? If so it should work. A T18 adapter will probably work as well.
There was no adapter on the transmission, that's the problem I am trying to solve. The junkyard said the only adapters that match the measurements I gave them is the aluminum ones.

I just wanted to make sure it would all work before having them ship it to me to find out.
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There was no adapter on the transmission, that's the problem I am trying to solve. The junkyard said the only adapters that match the measurements I gave them is the aluminum ones.

I just wanted to make sure it would all work before having them ship it to me to find out.
I just measured a T-18 4wd trans out of a 79 Bronco. The 205 transfer case has already been removed. The adapter is 7 1/2" long and the splined shaft sticks out about 3/4" past that. How does that compare to your measurements?
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this thread should help you.

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Please let us know what length adapter ends up working for you. I would guess it is a T18 adapter (Not NP435)....but I sure would like to have this confirmed.
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I just measured a T-18 4wd trans out of a 79 Bronco. The 205 transfer case has already been removed. The adapter is 7 1/2" long and the splined shaft sticks out about 3/4" past that. How does that compare to your measurements?
The length seems about right for what I need. Can you measure the trapezoid pattern of the t18 to see if it matches up with what I have?

I appreciate all the help so far, so thanks a ton.
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According to Novak the Ford 2wd and 4wd t18 and t19's have the trapezoidal pattern, its the NP435's that have a square 2wd pattern or trapezoidal 4wd pattern. Also Novak uses the same transfer case adapter for t18/t19 to jeep transfer cases. Make sure your t19 has the output splines that matches the 205.
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According to Novak the Ford 2wd and 4wd t18 and t19's have the trapezoidal pattern, its the NP435's that have a square 2wd pattern or trapezoidal 4wd pattern. Also Novak uses the same transfer case adapter for t18/t19 to jeep transfer cases. Make sure your t19 has the output splines that matches the 205.
What's the difference in splines? I believe it has the 31 spline output shaft, and the 205 seemed to match up when I tried putting them together, the bolt holes just didn't line up.

Sorry if my answers are a little vague, the truck is stored about an hour from where I lived currently.
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What's the difference in splines? I believe it has the 31 spline output shaft, and the 205 seemed to match up when I tried putting them together, the bolt holes just didn't line up.

Sorry if my answers are a little vague, the truck is stored about an hour from where I lived currently.
Just wanted to make sure what you had was correct, you have enough problems without getting an adapter and then finding out the splines are wrong LOL. If the adapter is about 3/4" shorter than how far your output shaft protrudes you should be fine.
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