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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 09-22-2016, 08:15 AM Thread Starter
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Done w/ Swampers, help me find an M/T!

Every review/poll I read is of people who are 95% pavement pounders looking for a mud terrain. Not me. I have a 78 bronco that currently has 35" boggers/TSL's (83lbs EACH!!), but I'm looking to get into less tire. I mainly use the truck for the sand dunes, some trail riding, and sand drags. I have paddles I will swap out on the rear to go fast in the sand. I also do an annual snow hill climb so I want them to compete in that too, and can't run the paddles due to class rules.

I don't really care about road manners or mud, as they will all drive down the road better than what I have now. I want a tire that performs well in sand and snow. If they perform well in sand, then they will do fine on all the trails around here. Looking for a 35/12.50-15 and they will be on a 10" wide wheel.

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Goodyear MT/R
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So with all that in mind, what is the best OFF-ROAD tire?
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I'm sure those other tires are good, but you need to add toyo MT's to that list. It's a great all around tire. I've used it for everything down here in Florida, well except for snow and haven't been disappointed.
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I'd agree with the recommendation to check out Toyo tires.

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Are Baja T/A's out of the budget? I see a lot of people out west running them and the people that I have seen with them in the dunes all seem to do really well with them too.
I am not sure if they have a size like you are wanting as I have not looked at them in a long time.

I had Baja MTZ's on my 78 for a long time and liked those. Recently switched to Interco Truxs STS's. In sand the STS's are way better, almost paddle like. They never truly start digging in just keep you going forwards. I have been places with those that I just dug holes with the MTZ's. The little I have had them in dirt they have been fine, tend to cake with mud easily but we have clay down here too. They are also around 68 lbs each. This will be my first winter with them but I expect them to do well. The only place I like the MTZ's better so far is in the mud, but you can look at the tread as see why. Everything I have read on them says they excel in the snow too.

Not sure if any of that helps you or not, tires are a hard one to get opinions on as everyone is just going by what they have had and maybe what their buddies say but they are doing the same thing. Its basically a Chevy VS Ford debate in many cases. Except I think everyone dislikes thronbirds, lol.

EDIT: I also think the toyo would be a good do it all kind of tire.


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I vote Toyo Open Country M/T they do great on the sand in pismo beach

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The Irok radial is highly regarded for road/off road use. They are pretty agressive for rack crawling and mud use also. I personally have not used them as of yet but on my shopping list in a 37 X 15.50. I have had the TSL super and honestly did not like the traction in slimy conditions as it is a hard compound tire to reduce paddle deflection.
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I should also add that I can get a full set (4) KM2's for $814, MTR's for $1016, Open Country MT's for $1200, Trxus for $1400. So this does make the KM2's more attractive to me. But I certainly don't want a bad tire just because it's cheaper.


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I used to run the KM2 they did ok offroad but terrible on road and in wet conditions, although they were only 31x10.5x15 so that could be different in 35x12.5

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I'm on the Toyo M/T band wagon as well and they are awesome in snow

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Soft compound = better performance. Hard compound = cheaper, longer road life, less grip. Does not matter who makes the tire, more grip, more money, less road life but way better slimy grip.
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I had a set of irok non directional radials on my CJ and they were awesome on and off road. I'm in Maine. I've had BFG AT and KM2 and SS LTB and others and the Iroks smoked all of them. Good luck.


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Well it sure seems like I should just save up a bit for the Toyos!
I would love to run Iroks, problem is they don't make them in a 35 for a 15" wheel. I'm not interested in buying new wheels right now and the 36" Iroks actually measure around 37"... Too big to be matched with my 33" paddles. The TrXus tires seem like they would work awesome for everything but snow, and that's relatively important to me. Keep the recommendations coming, I appreciate it!


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Well it sure seems like I should just save up a bit for the Toyos!
I would love to run Iroks, problem is they don't make them in a 35 for a 15" wheel. I'm not interested in buying new wheels right now and the 36" Iroks actually measure around 37"... Too big to be matched with my 33" paddles. The TrXus tires seem like they would work awesome for everything but snow, and that's relatively important to me. Keep the recommendations coming, I appreciate it!
I ran the 36 inch bias ply Iroks and don't recall them measuring larger, are you sure about that?

Really liked those tires, they were great in the mud, but chewed them up because my front end was all out of whack..
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I ran the 36 inch bias ply Iroks and don't recall them measuring larger, are you sure about that?

Really liked those tires, they were great in the mud, but chewed them up because my front end was all out of whack..
My Dad runs them and he likes them a lot, but they do measure big. Works good for him, but would look pretty funny with "37's" on front and 33" paddles on rear. Talk about rake!


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I think I have decided on the new Mickey Thompson Baja MTZ P3 in 35x12.50x15. Other tires may perform better, but in reality I spend most of the time at sand drags and the sand dunes and I think they will do great for that, especially paired with the paddles.
It also doesn't hurt that there is a $100 rebate on a set of 4 of them right now, bringing them to $768.96 to my door... not bad
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I think they will work out fine for you in the sand, even without the paddles. I never really had a problem with mine. Assuming the newer P3's are somewhat like the older ones they should work out good for you in the snow too. Mine are the best M/T tire I have used in the snow and even on the ice. I also like the footprint they give when aired down for sand duty. I think a M/T tire will also help grab for some turning when running the paddles. With the spool and paddles it has a tendency to go in which ever the direction the rear is pointed, when under power, regardless of where the front tires are pointed, so any extra grab they can get the better.


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I think they will work out fine for you in the sand, even without the paddles. I never really had a problem with mine. Assuming the newer P3's are somewhat like the older ones they should work out good for you in the snow too. Mine are the best M/T tire I have used in the snow and even on the ice. I also like the footprint they give when aired down for sand duty. I think a M/T tire will also help grab for some turning when running the paddles. With the spool and paddles it has a tendency to go in which ever the direction the rear is pointed, when under power, regardless of where the front tires are pointed, so any extra grab they can get the better.
I didn't think about the spool playing a factor with the paddles. That will be interesting. The way I see it, I just want a lightweight radial tire that looks good and works in most stuff. I think just about any M/T would suffice, but I like that the Mickey Thompson tires are American made (I think), and the deal is good. I think I'll be happy. If I ever find myself in a situation where I might get stuck, I'll put it to the floor and hope for the best. When in doubt, throttle out.

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Irok 33X12.50X15 radial, I am planning on these for my 78.https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ict-ind-20 . I am planning on these 15X10 wheels to go with them, I plan on shooting them with gloss white epoxy.https://www.summitracing.com/parts/usw-304-5055
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Every review/poll I read is of people who are 95% pavement pounders looking for a mud terrain. Not me. I have a 78 bronco that currently has 35" boggers/TSL's (83lbs EACH!!), but I'm looking to get into less tire. I mainly use the truck for the sand dunes, some trail riding, and sand drags. I have paddles I will swap out on the rear to go fast in the sand. I also do an annual snow hill climb so I want them to compete in that too, and can't run the paddles due to class rules.

I don't really care about road manners or mud, as they will all drive down the road better than what I have now. I want a tire that performs well in sand and snow. If they perform well in sand, then they will do fine on all the trails around here. Looking for a 35/12.50-15 and they will be on a 10" wide wheel.

So far I am considering:

Goodyear MT/R
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So with all that in mind, what is the best OFF-ROAD tire?
Why not move away from the MT? Have you considered the KO2's? I just went down from 37" MTR Kevlars to 35" KO2's and had our fiirst snow and real cold so it packed. I can't believe how much better these AT's are in Snow here in Colorado. I locked the hubs but never needed 4WD, they stop way better and grab WAY better than my mud tires did. These tires should also do very well in sand, I used to go to Sandlake in Oregon so am used to what is needed for dunes to some extent. I've been going down for some time now, I was running IROK's in a 37"x 15" then the goodyear MTR's (in a 17" x 9" wheel) as something more "streetable" to now with the 35x12.5x17 AT. They are lighter, gained gearing advantage, and just look at the tread design and you should see why they are rated for severe snow (the mountain snowflake symbol, not just M&S rated). This is also the tire put on the 2017 Raptor supposedly because of their ability in baja conditions, and general all around use.






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