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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 05-10-2017, 05:57 PM Thread Starter
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Moog CC824 Install 85 302

So I ordered a set of the 824's to try and level out my wife's 85. It's got a 302 auto on 31x10.5s. Installed them today.

Remove sway bar from frame, jack up one side leaving enough room for axle to droop for spring removal, jack stand under frame at transfer case, removed wheel, let the axle down about Half way, remove lower shock bolt, remove upper spring retaining clip, lower the jack all the way - watch your break lines - remove bottom spring retaining but, remove spring, reverse process with new spring, repeat on other side, reinstall sway bar.







The springs lifted the front 2.25". The measurement from the floor to the bottom of the body behind the front tire is now 21" and at the body in front of rear tire is 20.5" so there is a slight rake to the back.






The front tires are about 1" of plumb so some camber adjustment will be needed for sure - I hope there is enough adjustment to get them where they need to be - anyone know?




I think they will settle a bit and be just about right as far as ride height and if not I can add some 1/2" to 1" blocks to the rear or fresh springs.

The ride is much improved.

Ill update in a few weeks on settlement and alignment.

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Looks good, now slap some 33s on there

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That's the plan!

Also these add about 2" of additional droop.


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Is it the camera angle or is that spring looking like it wants to shoot out of there?

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Alignment shop might not be able to get the camber where they want it. I just put in the same springs (and did the entire front end) and even with adjustable camber bushings they weren't quite happy with it. Hopefully springs settle a bit but we'll see.

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Is it the camera angle or is that spring looking like it wants to shoot out of there?
I had the same thing when I did my springs. Not sure if they still look that way but I've had no issues after several hundred miles including some wheeling.


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I'd either get 1" additional in the rear or some of those stupid coil spring clamps to get it level. A few weeks won't tell you a whole lot. Measure it every few months and either reduce the 1" in back as needed, or reduce the squeeze from those coil spring things in front until spring settle is complete-ish.

Also, why is this in 78-79? Theory stuff still applies, but there are issues introduced here that apply to later models over 78-79 (camber).
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Because I'm an idiot! Can admin please move to 80-96? Thanks.


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Moog CC824 Install 85 302

So I'm thinking the 822 may be a better choice for my 302 with no AC. The 822's have a load rating about 200lbs less than the 824s. List same installed height but I've got to imagine the lower weight rating will equal less lift and less camber issues.

Stock lists the 818 and 820 which have the same difference in load capacity but are 12.3" instead of 13". I think the 18 and 22 are for the 302 and the 20 and the 24 are for the 351. Thoughts?

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With any amount of front lift you will want to install adjustable camber bushings, the factory bushings are not adjustable so you will be off (might stay in spec on paper) but will still be off.

As for the 822 and 824, I think you will be about 1/2" lower with the 822's. Since the spring rate between them is the same, your difference will be in the free height.
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So I swapped in the 822s this morning.

Ride is same as 824s
The body measures 20" from floor behind front wheel and in front of rear wheel so I'm level. Still need some camber adjustment but it's a lot better than before.






I'd say if you have the 302 you should go with the 822.

I have a 351 in the red 86 and I may throw the 824s on it to see how it shakes out.

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So I swapped in the 822s this morning.

Ride is same as 824s
The body measures 20" from floor behind front wheel and in front of rear wheel so I'm level. Still need some camber adjustment but it's a lot better than

I'd say if you have the 302 you should go with the 822.

I have a 351 in the red 86 and I may throw the 824s on it to see how it shakes out.

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There isn't enough weight difference between the 302 and 351W engines to make an impact on those springs. The 351W with 824's will sit just like the 302 did.
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Just for another data point....

I have an 83 with the 4.9l and an NP435. My truck came with the quad shock option which I thought came with heavier duty springs. I have CC824's installed and they lifted the truck only about 1.25".

I used Moog adjustable camber bushings and got the alignment close but its still not perfect.

I used a full length add a leaf and pulled one of the factory leafs to gain about an inch in the rear.
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After I put my 4" lift in, it sat at full extention for 3 weeks of driving B4 it finally settled. If you are going to have it aligned at all, have them only adjust the toe so it won't destroy your tires while it's settling.

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And the lift I installed, came from a rolling chassis I bought.

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With any amount of front lift you will want to install adjustable camber bushings, the factory bushings are not adjustable so you will be off (might stay in spec on paper) but will still be off.
Personally, I do not like the adjustable ones. The fixed angle bushings are super cheap on Rock Auto. I would get a set of 0* bushings. Install them. Get it aligned (just set the toe and read the camber and caster). Then, based on the alignment final printout, get the appropriate fixed bushings to bring it to where you want it, install them and get it aligned again. It's a lot of work, but few alignment shops have any idea how to deal with these trucks anymore.

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Personally, I do not like the adjustable ones. The fixed angle bushings are super cheap on Rock Auto. I would get a set of 0* bushings. Install them. Get it aligned (just set the toe and read the camber and caster). Then, based on the alignment final printout, get the appropriate fixed bushings to bring it to where you want it, install them and get it aligned again. It's a lot of work, but few alignment shops have any idea how to deal with these trucks anymore.

Just my 2 cents.

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Nothing wrong with that either, but that's really no different than throwing in the adjustables getting a free alignment check and printout and then going home and turning them to the right setting. Saves you pulling apart the hub and popping off the ball joints.
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So $100 for springs, $180 for alignment and bushings, and it might not align anyway.....I picked up and installed a set of Moog cc820's which appear tone the heavy duty stock spring. They are about a inch longer than my stock springs laying on the floor. I put em in and it's sitting pretty level without any exaggerated camber and if it does need adjustment they should be able to get it into spec. Here are some photos. Hope this helps others thinking about this type of swap. Cheers and thanks for the opinions and info. Now for those 33's!






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Here are all three together; cc824, cc822, cc820.






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Been sitting at Twin City Tire in Brewer for the last 3 hours while they try and align my 85. What a shit show. First try they adjusted the tie and said the camber wasn't adjustable. Uh, yes it is, you do it with bushings. Walked them through getting a set of adjustable bushings and they are continuing to try and align it. Good grief.


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So here is where they ended up.

Good? Bad? Okay?


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