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3G Interchange Facts. If you're thinking 3G read here.

PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE POST BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS!!!

Had to start this thread since there is much misinformation and confusion about the 3G alternator upgrade. This is not an install thread, just a guide on where to get the alt you need, a wiring diagram, and pulley sizing. All photos and some of the text is courtesy of Ryan at OldFuelInjection.com.

Why go 3G?
Because your factory alternator is barely adequate for your truck, stock.
Added off-road lights or a big stereo?
You need a bigger alternator!
Need me to show you?

And that's alternator RPM, not engine rpm. The alt spins much faster than the engine.
Alt RPM = Engine RPM x Crank Pulley Diameter ÷ Alt Pulley Diameter.
87-92 is the blue line.
93-96 is the green line.
78-86 is less than the blue line.


There are 3 different mounting styles for the 3G alternator that can be used as an upgrade on other vehicles:


If you have a 66-86, anything with v-belts, or a 87-98 300 (4.9L) or 460 (7.5L): you'll need a Pivot Mount w/ 8.25” ear spacing alternator. Some 90, any 91-92, and some 93-99 non DOHC Ford Taurus will be able to donate it's alternator to your truck. On your v-belt truck, you may also be able to use one that fits the 87-92 serpentine setup (Pivot Mount w/ 7.00” ear spacing) but some may have fitment issues with smog pump location. The Pivot Mount w/ 8.25” ear spacing can be swapped into:
1966-1986 V-belt Mustangs
1966-1987 V-Belt Broncos/E-Series/F-series
1992-1997 4.9L & 7.5L Bronco/F-Series/E-Series
Other V-belt vehicles that can adjust to an 8.25” wide Pivot mount alternator

A wide-eared Taurus alt will ONLY fit a 302 or 351W if it is a V-belt setup since it's wider than a serpentine one.

Comparson between Narrow-Eared and Wide-Eared:



If you have an 87-92 302 (5.0L) or 351W (5.8L): you have a 2G alternator. This is an early serpentine style. This can only be replaced with a Pivot Mount w/ 7.00” ear spacing alternator. Minor bracket clearancing may be required. This can be found in the following cars:
93-99 narrow-eared non-DOHC Taurus
94-95 V8 Mustang
94-00 V6 Mustang
94-97 V6 T-Bird/Cougar
95-98 Windstar
91-94 V6 Lincoln Continental.

The early serpentine car and truck alts on Ryan's site are interchangable but the plug and charge stud are clocked differently to fit the wiring to the bracket better. The Pivot Mount w/ 7.00” ear spacing can be swapped into:
1987-1992 Broncos/E-Series/F-series
1966-1995 Mustangs
Other vehicles that use a 7.00” wide Pivot mount alternator
It looks like this:
Where your brackets may need to be clearanced:


If you have a 93-96 302 (5.0L) or 351W (5.8L): you have a Side Mount 3G already but a 95 amp one. You DO NOT need to get a wiring harness, as since you already have a 3G, it's plug and play!!! I strongly urge you to get a larger charge cable and megafuse though. This is your current alt:

This is the one you need:

Here's a great way to tell the difference:

For a 130 amp, you can get that for a:
93-96 V8 Econoline with Air Conditioning or the High Output Alternator options
97-03 V6 Econoline E-Series or F-150
95-01 4.0 V6 Explorer or Ranger

at your local parts house for less than eBay. You can also get 160 amp alternators, with NO core charge and cheaper than a new 130, from Ryan right here.
You'll need the one for late serp. vehicles.
The Side Mount can be swapped into:
1993-1997 5.0L, 5.8L & 7.3L Bronco/F-Series/E-Series
Other vehicles that use a Side Mount alternator
Or you could try to find one like that at a junkyard but good luck.

Plug Clocking: Each style may have the rear plugs clocked 3 different ways to fit their various vehicles better. They will still fit no matter the clocking but you can remove the case bolts, and reclock the rear to get your optimum position.



Charge Cables: When you swap from a 1G or a low output 3G to a 130 or more amp 3G, although you do not NEED a larger charge cable such as a 2 Gauge, it is a great idea. Smaller wires/cables cannot always handle such a load and they tend to heat up, some to the point of melting the wire and could start a fire. ALWAYS make sure you use a megafuse rated at least 15-25 amps above your alternator amperage.

Pulleys: For pulleys, you can either re-use your old one, which sometimes you may need a very small washer to use as a spacer if it rubs in the 3G case at all, or you can get a different sized one. It all depends on your needs. A smaller pulley will spin the alternator faster at idle to create maximum output. A larger pulley will allow the engine to rev higher without driving the alternator to fast. Large 3G alternators are safe to ~15,000RPM max. Again, Alt RPM = Engine RPM x Crank Pulley Diameter ÷ Alt Pulley Diameter.

Wiring Diagram:

You can make your own or buy a complete one from here: http://rjminjectiontech.com/?p=7

Factory Carb Users:
If you have a Factory Ford carburetor (Holley model 4180) with a wire that connects directly to your 1G alt to your electric choke, get a 12 volt electric choke for a Holley 4160, P/N 45-223, and swap it out. Then wire the new choke to 12 volts.

This post will continually be edited as information pops up. Please post any errors you find so this can be THE thread for 3G interchange information.

A version of this thread is also hosted at:
Four Eyed Pride: http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=23682

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Am i reading that right, the 93 Bronco's are a straight swap?
With a larger charge cable and megafuse, they are.

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hey a ? for ryan. How do i upgrade the 130 amp 3g to a 200 amp??

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hey a ? for ryan. How do i upgrade the 130 amp 3g to a 200 amp??

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You'll have to take the alternator apart, heat up the solder at 6 points, remove the rectifier from the windings, install the new one and solder that in.

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I acquired a 4G alternator for a reasonable sum, with what appears to be the correct mounts for my '96. Other than beefing up the charging cable and so forth, any issues? It's rumored to be 170 amp unit, anyone know?
The 4G isn't BAD, but it was a failure compaired to the 3G.
The 3G is still Fords #1 alternator. Even though they have made it to a 7G, Ford puts the 3G in vehilces to this very day. When they want the best they ever made.
I've never seen any aftermarket parts for the 4G, so I doubt it can produce 170apms.

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Am i reading that right, the 93 Bronco's are a straight swap?

yes even without bigger cables....Ive done it ad so has dogonmutt. we have yet to have a single problem with it. granted the bigger cables are better and I do play to rewire it so I can get the most out of the upgrade but as it sits now it works fine and I noticed a huge differnce over the stock 95amp

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yes even without bigger cables....Ive done it ad so has dogonmutt. we have yet to have a single problem with it. granted the bigger cables are better and I do play to rewire it so I can get the most out of the upgrade but as it sits now it works fine and I noticed a huge differnce over the stock 95amp
Not to sound dumb Dustin, but did this get rid of all the irritating "dimming"? It's not noticeable to anyone else, but mostly in the winter, when i have the cab blower on high, with the lights on, and the radio, and then i do something like turn a blinker on, the dash lights and the radio display dim with the blinker. Not enough to make me think i have any other issues than just too much power in use.

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Not to sound dumb Dustin, but did this get rid of all the irritating "dimming"? It's not noticeable to anyone else, but mostly in the winter, when i have the cab blower on high, with the lights on, and the radio, and then i do something like turn a blinker on, the dash lights and the radio display dim with the blinker. Not enough to make me think i have any other issues than just too much power in use.
I'll jump in here- Yes it did. I had a stock alt and got Ryan's 200amp and there's no dimming issues at all with all accesories on!-Bob



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Not to sound dumb Dustin, but did this get rid of all the irritating "dimming"? It's not noticeable to anyone else, but mostly in the winter, when i have the cab blower on high, with the lights on, and the radio, and then i do something like turn a blinker on, the dash lights and the radio display dim with the blinker. Not enough to make me think i have any other issues than just too much power in use.

I had the same problem, It would only do it at night with the headlights on and blower motor. I would come up toa stop and the dash lights would dim alot. the 130amp took care of most of that, I will still get some dimming but hardly any.

the best part is having the power to run the kc lights at an idle without it putting a huge load on teh battery

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If you have an 87-92:[/B] you have a 2G alternator. This is an early serpentine style. This can only be replaced with an the following car's alts: narrow-eared non-DOHC Taurus from 96-99, any 94-95 V8 Mustang, 94-00 V6 Mustang , 94-97 V6 T-Bird/Cougar, 95-98 Windstar, & 91-94 V6 Lincoln Continental. The early serpentine car and truck alts on Ryan's site are interchangable but the plug and charge stud are clocked differently to fit the wiring better.
It looks like this:
Since it's a truck, and wont see any more than about 5000 RPMs, I'd get the smallest pulley for the best charge.

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Am i reading that right, the 93 Bronco's are a straight swap?
With a larger charge cable and megafuse, they are.
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