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motoxscott 09-25-2007, 05:43 AM Well since steve and a few others asked my to start my own thread here it is. Here are most of the older pics and new ones from this weekend. I also posted updated in this thread before starting this.
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90741
Made a ton of progress on the Bronco over the weekend. It got the nick name grave digger since it's sitting a little tall right now ... haha Gonna change out the front coils and have Deaver de-arch the rears. I want the thing to sit low and wide. I still have quite a few things to do to it in the next couple of days and weeks. Had to get it driveable since I sold my 06 F150 to Drew at the shop.
Here are the specs and what I did so far .....
Rear Suspension:
Deaver F53 F-150 rear leaf springs (made spacers to go from 3" wide Bronco springs to 2.5")
Camburg F-150 MIG shackles
Bilstein 7100 remote 12" short body shocks in stock mounts
Front Suspension:
Camburg 4" extended & trussed 4wd housings with steering extensions
Camburg heim 4wd radius arms
4" coil springs
S/S brake lines
alignment cams
new upper & lower balljoints
Still got to finish up the front and get the Bilstein 7100's mounted up. I'm running duals up front. Also got to get 5/8" wheel studs on the truck so I can mount up my 37" rims & tires. The stock studs are 1" long and my wheels are 1" thick. I put about 35 hours worth of work into it after work fri-sun. I'll post more pics as I make progress.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/rear_4.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/rear_3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/front_on1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/front_on2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/tear_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/tear_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/rear_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/rear_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/kmc_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/lngbeam_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/lngbeam.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/uniball.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/shrtbeam_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/shrtbeam.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/kmc.jpg
steveG 09-25-2007, 05:58 AM Looking good Scott! I thought for sure you'd go with a coil-over. Any plans to upgrade?
mkiefer 09-25-2007, 01:48 PM Looks good Scott.
ToddACimer 09-25-2007, 02:12 PM does camburg make custom length front axle shafts?
Andy351 09-25-2007, 02:51 PM is there a reason i've seen several people now running f150 springs vs bronco springs?
nice welds
locopny 09-25-2007, 03:33 PM is there a reason i've seen several people now running f150 springs vs bronco springs?
nice welds
I concur on the welds.
I understand the F150 springs are "flexier" :toothless than the Bronco springs.
loook forward to seeing the front suspension photos...since thats what I'm working on now.
Brokenbronco 09-25-2007, 03:44 PM Sweet build! Keep the updates coming!
is there a reason i've seen several people now running f150 springs vs bronco springs?
nice welds
You get more travel from the 2.5 spring. Allthough i'm pretty happy with my 3.0's.
steveG 09-25-2007, 04:03 PM The wider spring resists sway better.
mkiefer 09-25-2007, 07:20 PM They do get more travel , but a big factor for me was that Deaver dosent make the 3 inch lift bronco spring anymore,only the 6. And I stopped using National Spring after they changed owners a few times and started selling fabtech and rancho stuff. You can also run uniballs in the 2.5" springs too. We will see how long they last. Steve is right about the sway, but its not to bad. Oh Scott, before you have those re-arched fill the tank,throw in a spare tire, and take those wedge blocks out. Just move the rearend pads for pinion angle cause those cast pads shear the lineup pin sometimes, plus it will be an inch lower. Should sit perfect.
BajaBronco13 09-25-2007, 09:30 PM I've toyed with the idea of running Baja Bushings in my 1995 with 2.5" wide Deaver springs.
http://www.deaverspring.com/BajaBushing.htm
Chris
motoxscott 09-25-2007, 11:48 PM Steve ... I plan on setting it up for coilovers down the road once I cage it. Until then I'll run the Bilstein 7100's. Shane @ Bilstein set me up with some custom valving so it should work pretty good.
Mark ... thanks for the heads up. I'll hold off until I get the full floater rear end in and lose those pinion blocks. You have my steering ready yet? :)
Here are a few pics I snapped today when I was installing new front calipers. Should get the different front coils in the next day or two and then I'll mount up the front shocks.
The rear of the Bronco feels completely different, so far I'm really happy with it. It actually moves up and down now !!
It's still a work in progress. Jason here came up with some ideas for front hubs so you might see something pretty trick. He did something similar for his explorer he built.
...... and yes I know it's dirty and needs to be washed ... haha
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/side_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/side_1.jpg
are you taking it to chase the 1000???
broncoboy23 09-26-2007, 12:50 AM I never knew TTB parts could look so pretty. Nice looking project man, keep us updated.
Did you do the tubular frame for the front fender mounting or ?
And looks very nice by the way:thumbup
motoxscott 09-26-2007, 05:14 AM No plans on taking it down to the 1000 Ollie. I still have a ton of things I want to do to it before it makes a trip longer than to work and back .. haha
I'm gonna pull the tranny soon and have Steve Culhane build it up, I already have a winters gate shifter for it, put a full floater rear end with 5.13 gears, I have AutoFab motor mounts I still need to install, want to build a center console for race radios, GPS, etc and then mount 4 race seats in it, build front & rear bumpers, build a roof rack to hold a spare tire, jack, cooler and light rack above the windshield like our race truck, install motor stuff I already have, get it painted ..... the list goes on forever ... haha
GKR yea I built the core supports when I installed the front glass.
Thanks 4 the comments everyone. Its awesome to see it coming around.
- Scott
BajaBronco13 09-26-2007, 06:20 PM Scott, nice work on the rig. Can't wait to see the progress.
Chris
AxlesofEvil 09-28-2007, 02:33 PM A real quick newb question... how do you get the metal to change colors like that? I know the welding will make it change a little, but is it just because the welds are so good? also, do you paint over those? I think the beams look look awesome.
Polar Cub 10-02-2007, 11:58 AM Scott things are looking really good. I really like the overall look of the bronco
Will you have it up for the poker run at the end of the month?
motoxscott 10-04-2007, 04:33 AM Havent made much progress since we've been getting ready for this weekends Offroad Expo show and the BITD race the same weekend.
The colors you see are the heat marks from the MIG welding. You can tell it's not a cold weld that way or triggered. That's what gives it that awesome look. Id like to keep them raw but they will rust quick down here by the beach.
Not sure when the 1st trip out with it will be, I still have a lot of work to do to it to get it to that point.
- scott
Revenant 10-04-2007, 02:05 PM PolarCub,
I tried a PM, but I'm wondering if your 5" lift is a Camburg and, if so, if you're fitting those 35's without the use of aftermarket fenders.
Scott,
I'm loving the updates and trying to keep from jealousy.
Polar Cub 10-04-2007, 03:18 PM ExCom Yes i have the performance system from Camburg and the 35s fit rather well. They do get some minor rub especially when twisted up on trails. Running in the desert though I have only had min rubbing. The bigger problem is rubbing on the tub in the rear. Once I go to fiberglass I am going to look into a different offset or 1/2'' wheel spacers. I also did have to space the fron bumper and do some trimming. Sorry the PM did not work let me know if you need more info and I will PM you. Thought I would post this in open forum incase anyone else was wondering about the tires.
Revenant 10-06-2007, 07:14 PM ExCom Yes i have the performance system from Camburg and the 35s fit rather well. They do get some minor rub especially when twisted up on trails. Running in the desert though I have only had min rubbing. The bigger problem is rubbing on the tub in the rear. Once I go to fiberglass I am going to look into a different offset or 1/2'' wheel spacers. I also did have to space the fron bumper and do some trimming. Sorry the PM did not work let me know if you need more info and I will PM you. Thought I would post this in open forum incase anyone else was wondering about the tires.
Three questions. When you say rubbing the tub, I want to be sure you mean the rear wheels and not the rear of the front wheelwells. What is your current wheel offset? When you say you've trimmed some, is that on the bumper only?
Scott, sorry about the temporary thread deviation.
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9539/threaddirectionjl6.gif
Polar Cub 10-07-2007, 11:00 AM Excom, the rear wheels will rub/scrape against the inner tub of the body (exterior of the wheel well.
As far as my offset I am not sure, the rims are 15x10 american racing.
The only trimming done on the front bumper, I did not need to take off as much as I did though. Probably a 1'' on each end this was a stock bunper as well.
I have had the tires at different times rub/make contact with fender openings but only when twisted up a bit. The best case scenario is go with fiberglass but the 35s can be run without it. I am working on the pics you requested as well. I wil try and get a PM off later today for you.
Jeremy
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...............
motoxscott 10-12-2007, 08:07 PM Well I finally got my 37" BFG projects & KMC's on last night. I had to install 5/8 wheel studs and I had some 2" wheel spacers made for the rear until I get a new rear end in a couple weeks. I'm gonna try and lower the ride height a little if possible.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/new2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/new.jpg
steveG 10-12-2007, 08:09 PM Those look massive on the Bronco! How do they clear at full bump?
Brokenbronco 10-12-2007, 08:10 PM Looking good Scott. One question, do you tires rub against the radius arms when turning?
scotty that thing is crazy tall!!! but the 37's sure do look nice!!!
jackedupbronco 10-12-2007, 08:34 PM Looks Great...
BajaBronco13 10-12-2007, 08:34 PM Looking good Scott. What gearing are you going to be running now that you moved up to 37s?
Are you going to paint the glass to match the original green?
Chris
ruthless69 10-12-2007, 09:18 PM hey, thanks for posting those pics for the 37s - I've always wondered what that size tire would look like. I have 35s and I'm afraid to go any larger because of full bump. Let us know if you have any issues with the 37s, thanks.
yikes 10-12-2007, 10:19 PM Nice! Did you move the front forward an inch or so? .....looks that way.
Polar Cub 10-12-2007, 11:39 PM Scott, the Bronco looks tough with the 37's. Let us know how it handles and the clearance concerns. I geared with 37s in mind and after seeing how good yours looks I am really thinking harder about it. I am eager to hear how the shake down trip goes once you get it out. Thanks for the updates.
duh_09 10-15-2007, 10:05 PM Nice looking truck. Makes me wish the east coast had some reason to make me build a truck like that... I know this is a really stupid question, and I'm pretty sure I'm right, but those black dots on the fenders are whats holding them up right?
Brokenbronco 10-15-2007, 11:47 PM Nice looking truck. Makes me wish the east coast had some reason to make me build a truck like that... I know this is a really stupid question, and I'm pretty sure I'm right, but those black dots on the fenders are whats holding them up right?
Hey Bud, there's no dumb questions in here:thumbup
You are correct that is what's holding the fenders on.
Blueblood 11-25-2007, 05:33 PM hey scott anymore update??
motoxscott 11-29-2007, 03:39 AM I wish .... haha
I really havent had time to work on it for a while, just been way too busy with work. It would have been nice to have done when we were down in baja racing the 1000.
Should see some updates in the next couple of weeks. Hope to get a rear end in it soon. Its not happy with stock 3.55 gears. I'm gonna run 5.13 gears front and rear.
Plans are to paint it either black or dark gray, but that wont happen for a while.
- Scott
Blueblood 11-30-2007, 09:34 PM what size axle tubes are you looking at getting 3,3.5, 4 and why?
2 cent go dark gray
motoxscott 12-13-2007, 04:12 AM what size axle tubes are you looking at getting 3,3.5, 4 and why?
I'm gonna go with a Speedway Engineering housing with 3" x .250 4130 tubes with our Camburg 2.25" rear hubs. For what I'm doing I dont need anything stronger and want to keep the weight down. I have a Dirt Tech 4" housing for another project :)
No big updates from me ... been doing a lot of research on motor mods. In the last week I installed an Accel coil, dist, cap & rotor, MOMO steering wheel, ordered Bassani headers and y-pipe and scotch-brite'd and WD-40'd my beams ... haha
- Scott
JKossarides 12-13-2007, 10:49 AM Looks Bitchin Brother ~ :thumbup
:santa
motoxscott 02-20-2008, 10:03 PM Havent made much progress lately, just been too busy. Started on a front bumper. I'll post some pics up soon of that. Waiting for the rear end housing and 3rd member to come in, that should be any day.
Since I'll be staying with the E4ODE tranny I picked up this part from California Pre Fun. It relocates the speed sensor from the rear end to the output flange on the transfer case. Kinda over priced at $300 but it's done ... haha
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/vss.jpg
gunit 02-21-2008, 12:08 AM Be sure that you put a good guard on it. When I ran my stock full race truck which was 2wd we had it mounted on the back of the trans. Several times during a race we had a rock get picked up by the drive shaft that knocked the pick-up out of alignment. When this happens you have only 1st and 2nd gear. It can make for a long race with 5.13 gears.
bajascott 02-21-2008, 12:40 AM broncos looking good scott, i forgot you were onto a bronco its been so long since ive seen a pic of it!!haha
Havent made much progress lately, just been too busy. Started on a front bumper. I'll post some pics up soon of that. Waiting for the rear end housing and 3rd member to come in, that should be any day.
Since I'll be staying with the E4ODE tranny I picked up this part from California Pre Fun. It relocates the speed sensor from the rear end to the output flange on the transfer case. Kinda over priced at $300 but it's done ... haha
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/vss.jpg
Been runnin that for awhile now. Loses a little accuracy around 70 but other than that works great.
If you get a chance, do you have any pics with the front fenders removed?? My Autofab fenders and bedsides showed up and am getting ready to install. Trying to finish up the body mounts today then startin to pull some sheetmetal.
Great work on your truck. :thumbup
motoxscott 03-01-2008, 04:46 PM Well I'm going in a little different direction with the Bronco very soon. I was also planning on building a tube chassis high HP truck, but decided to scratch that idea and build up the bronco a little more serious using some of the parts I already have.
Should be an interesting build .....
- Scott
Blueblood 03-01-2008, 10:17 PM right on scott i cant wait to see a bad a$$ bronco come out of camburg
Nyeste316 03-02-2008, 10:16 PM Well I'm going in a little different direction with the Bronco very soon. I was also planning on building a tube chassis high HP truck, but decided to scratch that idea and build up the bronco a little more serious using some of the parts I already have.
Should be an interesting build .....
- Scott
Holy crap we think alike, I bought an extra cab f-150 to build a crazy truck out of then threw it to the side for my Bronco. Now most of the parts I bought for my ex-cab are on my Bronco build!!! I came to the realization Bronco's are way cooler than ex-cab f-150's!!:beer
motoxscott 06-19-2008, 01:50 AM Haven't been on here for a while ... but I made a little progress on the Bronco. Hopefully I can get it into the shop soon and start linking it.
Here are some pics of the vehicle speed sensor relocator that CA Pre-Fun has for the Bronco's. Install went pretty smooth. I'm planning on putting a 9" rear end and need the speed sensor for the E4OD tranny.
I did something similar for a F-150 2wd and it worked out pretty well.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/vss_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/vss_2.jpg
steveG 06-19-2008, 02:58 AM Looks good Scott. I thought for sure you had ditched the Bronco project.
motoxscott 07-03-2008, 03:03 AM Making progress little by little.
Installed Ford Racing's air pump eliminator today .... been planning my 408 stroker motor for the last couple of weeks. Thats the next big move and having the tranny built.
- Scott
AzDirtworx 07-05-2008, 03:36 AM very nice setup.. I'm diggin all this.. I just got a bronco,and appreciate all the stuff I'm seein on here... way kick ass and again, nice build... I would like to do somethin similar.... again thanks....
Brokenbronco 07-05-2008, 03:41 AM Scott, could you put up some pics of your coil buckets showing the shock location? And what size shocks are you running on the front? Also, are you running any air bumps?
motoxscott 07-14-2008, 05:07 PM Well I'm jumping into the deep end!
Started ordering parts to build a 408 stroker motor and link the rear .... this is gonna be interesting.
- Scott
steveG 07-14-2008, 05:40 PM You just can't keep things simple. Huh Scott?
It should definitely be interesting. You going with the Giant 4-link kit? Hehe.
motoxscott 07-14-2008, 10:15 PM Steve ...... simple isn't in my vocabulary ... haha
Plans are to Camburg 3-link it using our 48" lower links and the lower front mounts we use on newer rangers. Then I will just have to figure out the rest with Jason's help here. I was thinking about running the coilovers off the rear axle and more upright to still have 2 seats in the back, but at this point I will run the coilovers off the links and set it up as a 3 seater so I have more room in the back for storage & tools.
- Scott
Blueblood 07-14-2008, 11:18 PM so is there a bronco 3 link kits in camburgs future?
motoxscott 07-16-2008, 11:47 PM so is there a bronco 3 link kits in camburgs future?
If all goes to plan .... then YES.
Project 408 Stroker in the initial stages. Getting parts daily and getting the stroker kit mid next week from SCAT. Hopefully pull the motor & tranny out soon and then the fun will begin!
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/summit_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/bronco_wht.jpg
nvme_63 07-17-2008, 12:32 AM looks pretty.
motoxscott 07-17-2008, 05:24 AM I'm also documenting the build on another website, but I'll post here too. After all this is a BRONCO website :)
http://www.dezertrangers.com/vb/showthread.php?t=74698
Plans are to pull the motor & tranny in the next couple of weeks and then throw in my rear end & fuel cell and 3-link the rear using a bolt-in shock mount/cage. I will be ditching all of the EFI, computer controllers, emissions and vacuum lines. This will be a purpose built offroad setup only.
Here's what main parts are involved with this phase ....
Engine:
408 ci. (351W bored & stroked)
Scat forged 4.00" stroke crank
Scat h-beam forged connecting rods
Mahle 4.030 bore forged pistons
AFR 185cc aluminum race cylinder heads (thanks Andy!)
Comp Cams Magnum Pro 1.6 roller rockers
Comp Cams hydro roller lifters
CI custom ground billet camshaft
MSD pro billet distributor
MSD 6AL ignition w/ HV Blaster coil
Edelbrock Super Victor intake manifold
C&J offroad carburetor
Ford Racing aluminum valve covers
Ford Racing SFi harmonic balancer
Hamburger 7qt oil pan with windage tray
Hamburger main cap girdle
Edelbrock hi-volume water pump
Melling hi-volume oil pump
ARP hardware
This engine is being professionally built by a reputable shop, I have the fun part of ordering all the parts to supply them with.
Transmission:
Culhane built E4OD able to handle 500-550 hp
TCS billet torque converter with SFi flex plate (1800-2000 stall)
Compushift transmission controller with monitor
Winters E4OD gate shifter
Moroso 2qt+ aluminum transmission pan
(2) Setrab 640 fanpack oil coolers
Since I'm getting rid of the factory computer that controls the tranny I have to get a stand alone version. The great part about it is I can control every aspect of the transmission and have it set to different modes (full auto or manual). It uses the speed sensor that I relocated to the rear of the transfer case and a throttle position sensor at the carb.
Rear Axle:
Dirt-Tech 4130 4" TIG welded housing (69.5" WMS to WMS)
Desert Specialties 2.5" race hubs (5 on 5.5)
4340 35 spline gun-drilled heat-treated axles
CNC 6 piston TT race calipers
14" x 1.25 brake rotors
Strange Engineering Pro Nodular 9" case with 5.13 gears, Detroit locker, Daytona pinion support, 1350 forged billet yoke
Fuel System
Racer X 41.5 Fuel Safe cell with 3" filler
Aeromotive SS fuel pump
Aeromotive regulator with bypass port
Rear Suspension:
Camburg 3-link using 48" 4130 lower links
14" coilovers
16" bypass shocks
Plans are to link the rear end, what shocks I'm using are up in the air right now. I want to build a bedcage type structure that bolts-in that I can later tie into when I cage it. I have a 4-6 week window to do phase 2 and have it driveable.
I'll post pics and info as I make progress. Got these parts today, more tomorrow and the stroker kit next week. My camshaft is being designed and built as we speak, rear end housing is getting snouts welded in ..... Then it's tear down time!
So far these companies & people have helped me out above and beyond with this project so far.
Camburg Engineering
Ryan @ Dirt-Tech
Doug @ Desert Specialties
Hannemann Fiberglass
Scat Industries
Randys Ring & Pinion
Racer X Motorsports
Mike @ Race Ready
Shane @ Bilstein
Andy Sites
Aloha Jeff
...and Summit Racing for having great prices! haha
motoxscott 07-17-2008, 05:53 AM Here's a list of brand NEW and still in the box parts I have for sale if anyone is interested that I'm not using anymore.
1) Edelbrock 5.8L 88-96 EFI truck intake manifold $475 (retail is $590)
2) BBK twin 61mm 5.0/5.8 truck throttle body $275 (retail is $350)
3) Ford Racing 5.8L EFI mass airflow conversion kit $500 (retail is $680)
4) AutoFab 5.0/5.8 F-150/Bronco motor mounts $180 (retail is $240)
steveG 07-17-2008, 11:12 AM Scott, what are you doing with all the stock EFI stuff?
Polar Cub 07-17-2008, 11:18 AM Scott you ar egoing to be busy, I am looking forward to seeing the 3-link, I am still a little undecided what I am going to do with the rear setup in mine right now. I almost have the front done, mainly just need to get the bumps and some valving work and it should be done. I am always glad to see updates on your build. Thanks for sharing.
Jeremy
motoxscott 07-17-2008, 12:19 PM Scott, what are you doing with all the stock EFI stuff?
Give it to you if you want it.
I would be interested in the wiring harness and EEC if u want to sell it.
I work in HB and know where camberg is. Actually had them do work on some of my trucks like 10 years ago.
thnx
steveG 07-17-2008, 01:32 PM Give it to you if you want it.
Hell yes I want it! Let me know when it's off and I'll get it picked up. What are you doing for engine mounts now?
motoxscott 07-17-2008, 04:22 PM EFI is yours ... I'll let you know when its ready to pick up.
Running AutoFab motor mounts ... I bought two sets a year apart by accident. Thats what happens when you're rounding up parts for different projects over the years ... haha
- Scott
motoxscott 07-18-2008, 09:31 PM Got my housing back from getting the 2.5 snouts welded in. Gonna start tabbing it soon and get it all put together.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/housing.jpg
bajascott 07-18-2008, 09:57 PM it'll never work....
this is gonna be a nice bronco! cant wait to copy it!!haha
Brokenbronco 07-18-2008, 10:38 PM Nice!
Do you want to sell me your rear 7100's when they come off?
motoxscott 07-22-2008, 10:20 PM More parts showed up this week ...
SCAT forged crankshaft and h-beam rods, Mahle forged pistons, Melling hi-volume oil pump, Moroso E4OD transmission pan, Comp Cams roller lifters, billet timing chain set, valve spring seat & retainers and HydraTech hydroboost kit. I also got a Hamburger Products oil pan, but I'm gonna send that back and have Stef's Fabrication custom build me one out of aluminum.
My billet camshaft is being ground as we speak, should see it next week or the following.
Ordering parts is awesome .... just paying for them is gonna be the bummer .. lol
Here are some pics ......
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/summit_2.jpg
SCAT 4340 FORGED CRANKSHAFT
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/crank_1.jpg
HYDRATECH HYDROBOOST
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/hydro_1.jpg
motoxscott 07-22-2008, 10:25 PM I know it's not a Ford or a Bronco, but thought I would share with you my daily driver project that I worked on over the weekend putting the front suspension on .... and yes this is the FIRST non FORD I've ever owned ... haha
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/front_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/front_6.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/front_7.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/front_5.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/front_4.jpg
madkmart 07-23-2008, 12:16 AM looks great
steveG 07-23-2008, 12:25 AM Scott, who's going to assemble the engine?
jerry's paying you to much!!!
steveG 07-23-2008, 01:43 AM jerry's paying you to much!!!
Hahaha! That's exactly what I was thinking!
motoxscott 07-23-2008, 02:49 AM jerry's paying you to much!!!
No I just don't have a girlfriend, wife or kids .... haha
I'm gonna have Carco in Anaheim build & assemble the engine to a long-block for me. I talked to 3 different builders and was most impressed by them. They also built Aloha Jeff's on RDC 408 stroker motor.
Bajafand 07-23-2008, 05:34 AM Cool fancy motor parts Scott. That Tacoma is bitchen too.
How much did the Hydraboost run you?
yogib 07-28-2008, 05:42 PM Havent read all the posts.But Why 4 or three link it. Ive ridden in Broncos that are both ways.Deavers and four-link. And Unless you plan on racing it alot.And even at that you will have to run a more extreme class.Why? Four-link sucks on the pavement and Broncos ride excellent with Deavers,And extended shackles, and some really good shocks.That is what my bronco will be running.Got the shackles and the 16" travel kings in already .But need to buy the Deavers.
Brokenbronco 07-28-2008, 07:18 PM Havent read all the posts.But Why 4 or three link it. Ive ridden in Broncos that are both ways.Deavers and four-link. And Unless you plan on racing it alot.And even at that you will have to run a more extreme class.Why? Four-link sucks on the pavement and Broncos ride excellent with Deavers,And extended shackles, and some really good shocks.That is what my bronco will be running.Got the shackles and the 16" travel kings in already .But need to buy the Deavers.
Let's see some pics.
yogib 07-28-2008, 08:00 PM If your asking me for pics of my Bronco they will be up some time soon.It is in the paint shop right now and the pics I already have of it arent that good.But it will be out soon.They just finished the body work and are ready to block and put the color on it.Im no bullshitter.Promise the pics will be up soon.Ive been working on my bronco it seems like forever.
motoxscott 07-29-2008, 01:57 AM Why 4 or three link it. Ive ridden in Broncos that are both ways.Deavers and four-link.
I have Deavers on right now with longer shackles and Bilstein 7100 shocks and the rear end rides very nice. If I didnt already have some links to use or the capabilities to link it like most don't I would have stayed with leafs. Getting 17-18" of useable travel with leafs isnt very hard, especially going with a spring under setup.
The advantages a linked rear suspension gives is why I'm going that route.
- Precise geometry (pinion change, anti-squat, instant center, driveshaft plunge, etc)
- Stronger setup
- Able to adjust pre-load (ride height) and change spring rates (dual-rate)
- Etc etc etc
For most, Deaver springs are a great setup ... I'm just taking it a little further because I can.
Here are the links and mounts I will be using .....
http://www.camburg.com/images/CamburgEDGE-Racetruck/new%20studio/post-12-75377-LowerLinks_SM.jpg
yikes 07-29-2008, 11:40 AM Can't wait to see more progress Scott. Good stuff! I may have missed it, but are you planning to lengthen the wheelbase 3 or 4" when you link it? Are you going to make a shorter trailing arm to pivot at the driveshaft, or just accept a little plunge?
yogib 07-29-2008, 12:57 PM Ya after seeing your Toyota I can see you already have a fun pavement/slash mild toy already.I can understand going four-link then.I like what you have done already.Its looking good.
motoxscott 07-30-2008, 12:14 AM Bi-weekly Summit Racing delivery ... I should buy stock in that company .... haha
Muffler, starter, water neck, pressure regulator
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/summit_3.jpg
Brokenbronco 07-30-2008, 12:44 AM Hey Scott, have you started the tear down yet? Let me know when you do, and i'll get those rear shocks.
Nick.
motoxscott 07-30-2008, 02:24 AM Just pulled the Bronco into the shop tonight. Let me know when you want them and I'll pull them off.
- Scott
Drilim 07-30-2008, 03:32 PM Scott, Im still interested in the leafs once you pull them off. Let me know.
Just pulled the Bronco into the shop tonight. Let me know when you want them and I'll pull them off.
- Scott
steveG 07-30-2008, 03:46 PM Scott, you going big on the Bronco is working out great for a lot of other Bronco owners!
motoxscott 07-30-2008, 10:43 PM Well now the fun part begins! Brought the truck into the shop to start tearing into it. UPS dropped off my billet camshaft that Camshaft Innovations custom ground for me.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cam.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/shop_1.jpg
steveG 07-30-2008, 11:00 PM Cut that truck, Scott!
Nyeste316 07-31-2008, 04:36 PM No I just don't have a girlfriend, wife or kids .... haha
I'm gonna have Carco in Anaheim build & assemble the engine to a long-block for me. I talked to 3 different builders and was most impressed by them. They also built Aloha Jeff's on RDC 408 stroker motor.
So where do you get the money for the hookers and crack?:scratchhe Bronco looks awesome can't wait to see the progress pics!!:notworthy
BajaBronco13 07-31-2008, 09:09 PM So where do you get the money for the hookers and crack?:scratchhe Bronco looks awesome can't wait to see the progress pics!!:notworthy
Or the lap dances????? That's got to be factored into the budget if you ask me. LOL
motoxscott 08-04-2008, 12:38 PM Well here was my progress from fri nite and sat. Engine and tranny are out.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_1.jpg
steveG 08-04-2008, 01:29 PM Damn Scott! You're really going to town on that thing. You rolling with no A/C or are you adding an aftermarket system?
motoxscott 08-04-2008, 04:45 PM I need all the room I can get with those 37's so I plan on installing a Vintage Air type setup inside the cab down the road.
- Scott
yogib 08-04-2008, 05:32 PM I like the vintage air idea.I saw the setup they had in Dirt sports that they put in there project bronco.Nice.I dont think it would work in mine though due to the center console I have would be in the way.You going to be putting the hydro boost in while the motors out?Engine cage?Maybe weld another crossmember in front of the P.S. box .And weld the crossmember up thats under the motor.
stan the man 08-06-2008, 09:59 PM How long are those Camburg radius arms? Off the top of your head, do you know how much longer they are than stock?
motoxscott 08-07-2008, 01:30 AM The radius arms are about 36" from the center of the heim to the bolt centerline where it meets the beam.
Took most of the engine apart after work today so I can get the block to the builder to start machining.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_3.jpg
broncochase879 08-07-2008, 07:35 PM Hey Scott,
I would love to run Burg's extended beams on my project but my budget isnt ready for all that. Will you guys Port, truss, and uniball and set of cut and turned beams and if you could, would you pm me a price please to do so.
Also what size bypasses don you plan on running on your front end?
Polar Cub 08-08-2008, 11:05 AM Scott its looking good, looks like you have been busy. I cant wait to see the final outcome of this build. Thanks for keeping us up to date.
motoxscott 08-10-2008, 10:17 PM Didnt get anything done over the weekend as I was in Catalina for a few days for my brothers bachelor party trip. Here are some parts that came in on friday. I'll start back up on it monday after work.
Compushift E4OD transmission controller
TCS billet torque convertor
I got these both through Rusty at TCS. We've used them for years with all our race stuff and it shows why. (928) 453-4020
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/shift.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/tcs_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/tcs_2.jpg
motoxscott 08-10-2008, 10:20 PM Hey Scott,
Will you guys Port, truss, and uniball and set of cut and turned beams and if you could, would you pm me a price please to do so.
Also what size bypasses do you plan on running on your front end?
Yes we can do that for you. I'll work out the pricing and let you know.
I'm planning on running coilovers in the front that are the same length as FOX 3.0 x 14" coilovers.
motoxscott 08-26-2008, 12:51 AM Making progress little by little. Cleaned up the frame in the front and started welding up some seams, etc. Now I'm starting on the rear. Gonna start cutting the rear sheet metal and and start mocking up the links & rear end, then the fuel cell.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/frame_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_1.jpg
motoxscott 08-30-2008, 04:34 PM Got some more parts in.
I had John at C&J Engineering setup the carb for me. They are the best of the best and I couldnt be happier with what I got and how helpful they have been. I wouldnt go anywhere else.
I also had Stan at Stef's Fabrication custom build me an aluminum oil pan and pickup. I'm pleased with what they came up with. It looks 100x better than the aftermarket steel pans out there.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/carb_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/carb_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/pan_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/pan_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/pan_3.jpg
bajascott 08-30-2008, 05:56 PM damn scott,looks good
steveG 08-30-2008, 06:58 PM Now that's an oil pan!
BHTool 09-04-2008, 06:08 PM nice monster truck scott :notworthy
steveG 09-04-2008, 06:35 PM Welcome to FSB, Tim!
motoxscott 09-05-2008, 03:14 AM Removed all the spring mounts and rivets the other nite, cleaned & scotch-brite the entire frame rails last night and started mocking up the links and rear end tonight.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_4.jpg
BLACKMARKETBRYAN 09-05-2008, 03:16 PM I hate you scott :whiteflag
yikes 09-05-2008, 03:42 PM I hate you scott :whiteflag
Haha! X2. I think I'll change my build thread to "Yikes' po-dunk build"
Good stuff Scott!
Blueblood 09-05-2008, 08:41 PM nice work scott
Polar Cub 09-06-2008, 09:37 AM Scott, you have too much time on your hands and to many tools available.....stop it :smilie_slap your making us all feel bad aobut our junk:whiteflag
Seriously though things are looking good we all enjoy the updates. I cant wait to see the finished product, especially the 3 link now get out have some fun :beer
motoxscott 09-08-2008, 01:34 AM Thanks for the comments guys ....
Made some more progress on it today. Still need to play with the mounts on the axle to tune up the geometry a little and then the link kit is done! I pushed back the wheels about 2" compared to stock and I'm going to notch the frame to get 2" more up travel. I'm pretty stoked on how it's coming out so far.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_7.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_6.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_5.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_8.jpg
Drilim 09-08-2008, 01:45 AM Looks awesome. Any estimate on when the first trial run will be?
motoxscott 10-13-2008, 10:21 PM Now that the BITD 300 race and offroad expo is in the past I get can back on this thing!
Cut the floor out so I can move the cell up to get more ground clearance at full bump. Now I'm building the subframe for it. I'm working on it tonight so I'll see what I come up with.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/fuel_1.jpg
bajascott 10-13-2008, 10:55 PM looks good scott.cant wait to see it done
steveG 10-14-2008, 01:24 AM Glad to see you working on that thing again, Scott! Are you doing most of the fab work yourself?
Polar Cub 10-14-2008, 04:21 PM Wow Scott, things look to be coming together nicely....I am looking forward to seeing the completed product.
Jeremy
Throttlepimp 10-14-2008, 04:34 PM Sexay:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/link_6.jpg
Great work!
yogib 10-14-2008, 04:56 PM Looks like you have that all to fun job of building the cage yet.Not alot of fun in my opinion but sure cool and gives you that safe feeling when bombing around.Of course I wouldnt know that personally yet with my bronco.Not quite done,but OH so close.
motoxscott 10-15-2008, 02:30 AM Built the fuel cell sub-frame that will bolt to x-members in the frame. This way I can take the fuel cell up through the top or out the bottom. It's pretty much done, I just need to cap off the open tube ends and weld on some tabs to bolt a skid plate to, then powder coat it.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/fuel_2.jpg
stan the man 10-15-2008, 04:08 AM Built the fuel cell sub-frame that will bolt to x-members in the frame. This way I can take the fuel cell up through the top or out the bottom. It's pretty much done, I just need to cap off the open tube ends and weld on some tabs to bolt a skid plate to, then powder coat it.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/fuel_2.jpg
I know its just some tube, cut and welded but that is a thing of BEAUTY!
Revenant 10-15-2008, 02:29 PM I know its just some tube, cut and welded but that is a thing of BEAUTY!
I think it's the presentation!; the way the subframe is positioned, the shop floor's texture and the orange lighting make for one heck of a photo. Seriously though, I agree, great fabrication. :beer
steveG 10-15-2008, 02:45 PM Built the fuel cell sub-frame that will bolt to x-members in the frame. This way I can take the fuel cell up through the top or out the bottom.
I dig it! I'm always amazed at how many trucks are built so that they're a complete pain in the ass to work on. I'm impressed when fabricators take a little more time to make a truck more modular and take future repairs and prep into account before welding everything together.
motoxscott 10-15-2008, 05:13 PM Thanks for the comments guys ... and you're right it's all about proper lighting in photo's haha
I'm trying to make most things bolt on. It takes a lot more time that way and many times makes it more difficult to build, but I like the fact that then I can get it powdercoated or remove it if need be.
Alot of our parts on our race trucks are bolt on so that we can send it out after each race and have it checked for cracks (magnafluxed) and shot-peened. Then it looks like a new part and you'll catch a crack way before it becomes a problem, plus we can have spares ready to bolt on.
- Scott
Polar Cub 10-15-2008, 05:31 PM Scott I really like how the build is coming.....if only I had time and fab skills......Keep up the great build.
Jeremy
BroncoDon 10-17-2008, 01:48 PM Very nice work Scott !!! It's people like you that are the future of offroading, with your vision for building new and improving already existing "stuff". I was really impressed with everyone at Camburg when I did business with you guys. Keep pushing the envelope and everyone benefits !!!
Blueblood 10-18-2008, 01:06 AM nice work scott keep the pics and ideas coming
motoxscott 10-24-2008, 03:08 AM Not making leaps and bounds but got the cell & subframe pretty much mounted up tonight. Just need to fully weld the tabs on. Boxed a portion of the frame right in front of it that will give me an area to build off of when I notch it next.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/fuel_3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/fuel_4.jpg
motoxscott 10-24-2008, 09:47 PM Picked up the transmission & transfer case this morning from Culhane. It's the stock E4OD that Steve went through completely and set it up for about 550-600hp. Here's a list of some of what he did to it.
- FORD 6 pinion steel planetary gear
- FORD Steel overdrive planetary gear
- 300M input shaft
- 300M intermediate shaft
- Stronger sprag gear
- Replaced a few bushings and machined it to accept bearings
- Added a clutch pack
- Valvebody work, solenoids, etc etc etc
Can't say enough good things about Culhane. He has done all our race transmissions for the last couple of years and we have never had a problem. He's one of the best out there by far. I can't wait to use this thing ... haha
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/trans_1.jpg
PWMTN 10-25-2008, 10:38 AM Scott,
Q:
What year is the E4OD?
Did you go with the reverse valve body and or manual shift setup?
What did he do about the torque converter clutch. New, aftermarket, dual or single plate?
Have you decided on a shifter?
Thanks, Paul
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[QUOTE=motoxscott;1827687]Picked up the transmission & transfer case this morning from Culhane. It's the stock E4OD that Steve went through completely and set it up for about 550-600hp. Here's a list of some of what he did to it.
- FORD 6 pinion steel planetary gear
- FORD Steel overdrive planetary gear
- 300M input shaft
- 300M intermediate shaft
- Stronger sprag gear
- Replaced a few bushings and machined it to accept bearings
- Added a clutch pack
- Valvebody work, solenoids, etc etc etc
Can't say enough good things about Culhane. He has done all our race transmissions for the last couple of years and we have never had a problem. He's one of the best out there by far. I can't wait to use this thing ... haha
- Scott
x2 on culhane!!! he is a really great guy and builds one hell of a tranny. he has done all the trannys in butch and we have never lost one in a race (knock on wood).
choranrn 10-25-2008, 04:36 PM dude your welds are ridiculous they are the best ive ever seen
Pismo Bronco 10-28-2008, 04:20 AM Hey Scott,
Great build so far I've been following the thread for a while. I'm working on one a lot like yours actually. I need a good trans. for mine project (C6), what's the contact info. Culhane if you don't mind me asking. Also not to get you in trouble with Jerry for giving out trade secrets, and I know there was another thread started for this but I don't trust the info. How much did you kick out your lower ball joint when you did your beams. I've measured the Autofab beams, and there 1/2" per, do you agree with that. Any info. would be great to this new member to the forum. THANKS
Brokenbronco 10-28-2008, 10:54 AM Hey Scott,
Great build so far I've been following the thread for a while. I'm working on one a lot like yours actually. I need a good trans. for mine project (C6), what's the contact info. Culhane if you don't mind me asking. Also not to get you in trouble with Jerry for giving out trade secrets, and I know there was another thread started for this but I don't trust the info. How much did you kick out your lower ball joint when you did your beams. I've measured the Autofab beams, and there 1/2" per, do you agree with that. Any info. would be great to this new member to the forum. THANKS
Welcome to the Broncospeed forum. Check out this thread, you may find what you are looking for. http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133719
Pismo Bronco 10-28-2008, 06:19 PM Thanks for the info Ollie on Culhane, and BrokenBronco on the thread. That isn't the technique that I'm going to use though to cut and turn my beams. I'm aware of all the different styles people have used to accomplish cutting and turning though. I'm just not sure of how much the lower ball joint needs to be kicked out. Sorry about Hi-jacking your thread Scott! I'm just REALLY in need of that last number to weld up my beams. If it makes a difference I am going 4"s wider per side also.:confused:
steveG 10-28-2008, 06:36 PM I Replied in http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133719 to keep Scott's thread on track.
yaabrother1 10-28-2008, 07:15 PM BRONCO looks good Scott!!
-ANDY
Jeff@PLC 10-30-2008, 10:57 PM So when's this thing gonna be running? And don't paint it brown or our rigs will end up matching. ;) I'm sticking with the original 2-tone brown on mine. Maybe I should church it up and call it Champagne or Khaki.
bajascott 10-31-2008, 01:19 AM brown isnt scotts color, if he paints it brown,it will sit for years collect dust,and get sold off.
motoxscott 11-04-2008, 09:38 PM Picked up the engine today. Very happy with how it turned out and how helpful Carco Engine & Machine was. I would recommend them to anyone looking to build a high performance engine.
I'm headed for the SEMA show so no more updates till next week.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_4.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_5.jpg
yikes 11-04-2008, 09:46 PM Ah geez Scott!! Did you give them the buy one get one free coupon I gave you?
redwagon 11-04-2008, 09:49 PM Ah geez Scott!! Did you give them the buy one get one free coupon I gave you?
yup....but he is going to hold your motor for safe keeping.....:histerica
madkmart 11-04-2008, 10:26 PM sweet motor how many horse that pust and torque
BajaBronco13 11-04-2008, 10:37 PM That motor makes me feel funny down there. Nice motor Scott.
CP
motoxscott 11-04-2008, 11:32 PM sweet motor how many horse that pust and torque
I'm thinking 500-525 hp and 550 trq on pump fuel at the crank. We'll see though. I'd like to dyno it before it goes into the truck.
Thanks for the comments guys and the heads up on the 2 for 1 special coupon! :)
- Scott
Brokenbronco 11-05-2008, 12:31 AM Nice Scott!!! Something that Chip Foose once said comes to mind. "The engine compartment is like a jewelry box, you open it up, and there's the diamond"
Jeff@PLC 11-05-2008, 02:25 AM Scott, if that motor doesn't make 500 ft/lbs at the crank I'll buy you a case of your favorite beer. And one thing comes to mind right away... If your crank damper is like my damper you'll need to space out the crank pulley. The factory damper gizmo from your stock motor obviously had the correct alignment, the performance dampers (even the Ford Racing dampers) do not and will need a pulley spacer. You can buy it from Summit for around 30 bucks or have your CNC guys measure mine and crank one out.
Aloha
motoxscott 11-05-2008, 04:21 AM Yea I have the pulley spacer, just need to install it.
Polar Cub 11-05-2008, 11:35 AM Nice...I am so jealous....
Jeremy
motoxscott 11-17-2008, 04:40 PM Havent made much progress. I was out at the SEMA show and sick for most of last week. I'll be getting back on the project ASAP. Here is a pulley and power steering system I just ordered up for it though. I didnt get the alternator & bracket as they only do a 50 amp small case version. I got a Powermaster bracket kit and140 amp alternator that should work with it
The company is KRC Power Steering and they have been very helpful and the pricing is great for what you're getting.
http://site.ivenue.com/krcpower_6/_images//16615011.jpg
che22879 11-17-2008, 06:26 PM awesome build
gr8brnc 11-18-2008, 12:00 PM Do you have to get headers custom made for those large exhaust ports that will fit in your bronco or does someone make them?
TdmayfieldIV 11-18-2008, 10:09 PM Nice Scott!!! Something that Chip Foose once said comes to mind. "The engine compartment is like a jewelry box, you open it up, and there's the diamond"
Mine's like a toilet, you open it up, and there's the giant hunk of shit.
Brokenbronco 11-18-2008, 10:11 PM Mine's like a toilet, you open it up, and there's the giant hunk of shit.
HaHa...you and me both!
bajascott 11-18-2008, 10:31 PM hahahaha?/\/\/\/\
dezertrunner707 11-25-2008, 07:33 PM Haven't been on here for a while ... but I made a little progress on the Bronco. Hopefully I can get it into the shop soon and start linking it.
Here are some pics of the vehicle speed sensor relocator that CA Pre-Fun has for the Bronco's. Install went pretty smooth. I'm planning on putting a 9" rear end and need the speed sensor for the E4OD tranny.
I did something similar for a F-150 2wd and it worked out pretty well.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/vss_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/vss_2.jpg
Does Cal Pre Fun have a website?
yogib 12-04-2008, 11:50 PM Hey Scott do you have any updates for us yet.Gotta see some pics man.
motoxscott 12-21-2008, 11:26 PM I tabbed up the rear housing finally. The upper mounts are all 3/16" and the lower mounts are 5/16" side tabs and 1/8" boxing them in. Had to have a dimple die for the cool factor haha.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/housing2.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/housing3.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/housing4.jpg
bajascott 12-21-2008, 11:51 PM wow thats nice....im jealous.
Whatdyisit 12-22-2008, 01:52 AM Very nice Scott. As always your work looks awesome.
AzDirtworx 12-31-2008, 02:34 AM Good God man........ Can i come beat on your money tree too for a lil bit?
offduty 01-06-2009, 12:48 AM Here's a list of brand NEW and still in the box parts I have for sale if anyone is interested that I'm not using anymore.
1) Edelbrock 5.8L 88-96 EFI truck intake manifold $475 (retail is $590)
2) BBK twin 61mm 5.0/5.8 truck throttle body $275 (retail is $350)
3) Ford Racing 5.8L EFI mass airflow conversion kit $500 (retail is $680)
4) AutoFab 5.0/5.8 F-150/Bronco motor mounts $180 (retail is $240)
Ill buy that intake manifold if you still have it. PM me please.
TCM GLX 01-06-2009, 01:52 AM Hey Scott, just out of curiosity, do you have pics of the rear schackles you made to go to the 2.5" rear deaver? I just picked up a set of them and want to see what I need to do to get them on.....
motoxscott 01-11-2009, 11:34 PM Not huge developments but I got the brake caliper mounts on the rear end. When Doug @ Desert Specialties welded in the snouts he trimmed the truss back so the caliper mount was about 3/4" from the truss so I had to cap it out to the caliper tab. On the CNC calipers the hose fitting is close to the tab in the center so I recessed the truss a little to gain some room for the fittings and wrench clearance.
Little by little I am making progress ... haha. Now I just have to have Jason here TIG weld it up for me :) It's just tacked together right now.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/brake_truss.jpg
steveG 01-11-2009, 11:39 PM Now that's a brake caliper! Looking good Scott!
motoxscott 02-10-2009, 01:57 AM Not major progress but some none the less haha
I bought a set of Doug Thorley Tri-Y long tube headers that I'm going to run instead of the Bassani shorty headers. Wish I could afford some custom CPR headers ... some day.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/DT_headers.jpg
Got the hubs and wheels on, it kinda looks like its getting closer. Started cutting sheet metal and will start caging the rear this week. Pretty much from the B pilar back, then mount shocks, etc etc etc.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/020909_1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/020909_2.jpg
TCM GLX 02-10-2009, 02:00 AM Sooooooooo sexy!
DezertBronco 02-10-2009, 02:31 AM Bad ass......... You make all of us want to make our junk better.
Jeff@PLC 02-11-2009, 12:29 AM What size are the primaries on the headers? Have you test fit them yet? That's the LAST required step in my build that is preventing me from driving the truck. I've been talking to header builders... about $100 bucks per cylinder is the cheapest I've found. If I could get away with a set of off-the-shelf headers I'd kindly give up a few ponies now if it means getting the truck out in the dirt a little sooner. How are you going to route the exhaust?
When I was having the EFI dyno tuned the primary size made a REALLY surprising difference. The 408w was happiest with a set of 1-3/4" primaries. When running 1-1/2" primaries it choked the motor so bad I can't run them... giving up lots of torque AND horse power isn't something I can tolerate. If it was only 3 or 4 HP or TQ's I'd say screw it, but in my case it was 20 to 30 HP and TQ.
convoy 02-11-2009, 12:42 AM Jeff or anyone else interested. I have had intake work done by JP performance in Santa Ana, and they do custom headers and exhaust all the time. They are actually next door to my work perhaps they would be cheaper... don't quote me on that just another option..
http://jpexhaust.com/
motoxscott 02-11-2009, 03:52 AM What size are the primaries on the headers? Have you test fit them yet?
I'll measure them tomorrow Jeff, their website says 1-5/8". I dont even know if they fit yet until I get the motor back in and the tranny. Its listed for the older '82 truck and bronco 2wd/4wd. They have to be better than the shorty Bassani headers I bought. I really want Chris Parker to build me a set but I dont have the $$$ right now for something that nice. Hopefully these will work for now until I win the lotto haha.
- Scott
stan the man 02-11-2009, 05:33 AM I'll measure them tomorrow Jeff, their website says 1-5/8". I dont even know if they fit yet until I get the motor back in and the tranny. Its listed for the older '82 truck and bronco 2wd/4wd. They have to be better than the shorty Bassani headers I bought. I really want Chris Parker to build me a set but I dont have the $$$ right now for something that nice. Hopefully these will work for now until I win the lotto haha.
- Scott
what was wrong with the Bassani's?
motoxscott 02-11-2009, 04:18 PM Jeff ... the primarys are 1-5/8", the secondarys are 2" and the collector is 2-1/2". I'll be running 3" from that point back with Borla mufflers. It will be a true dual exhaust.
Stan .... Nothing wrong with the Bassani's, they were just built for a stock '95 351 Bronco, so they wouldnt have worked as good as the long-tube Doug Thorleys on my built 408 motor.
- Scott
Jeff@PLC 02-11-2009, 07:40 PM Jeff or anyone else interested. I have had intake work done by JP performance in Santa Ana, and they do custom headers and exhaust all the time. They are actually next door to my work perhaps they would be cheaper... don't quote me on that just another option..
http://jpexhaust.com/
I tried calling twice today and got the message machine. I'll try them again tomorrow. If you don't mind stopping by maybe you could ask what they would charge per cylinder for an "off-road racing" application.
Thanks!
aloha - i have used al's headers that is next to donahoes old shop and he got $100 a hole but that included jet coating. that was a few years back but i thought he did good work.
Jeff@PLC 02-11-2009, 10:03 PM All of the racers I talk to are telling me stainless is the only way to go. I wish I could find one that would tell me otherwise ;) If I'm going to have custom headers built I've been told to pony up for stainless. At this point $800 bucks isn't sounding too bad for a set of headers but I know that price will probably almost double if it's in stainless. I priced some U-bends and doughnuts at Burns and holy moly, that stuff ain't cheap!
Back to Scott's Bronco... have you thought how are you going to run the dual exhaust? Your running 4wd in this pig right?
motoxscott 02-12-2009, 12:39 AM Back to Scott's Bronco... have you thought how are you going to run the dual exhaust? Your running 4wd in this pig right?
Yes working 4wd. I'll let you know how its routed when I get to that point haha. Probably gonna have to get it outside the frame rails some how.
- Scott
convoy 02-12-2009, 02:43 PM I tried calling twice today and got the message machine. I'll try them again tomorrow. If you don't mind stopping by maybe you could ask what they would charge per cylinder for an "off-road racing" application.
Thanks!
Jeff I just walked over there and this was on the front window.
"We are now at 401 east 1st street, Santa Ana (714) 543-5992"
Griffin
84FSB 02-12-2009, 03:53 PM i have a set of doug thorley headers just like that,they fit just fine on my 93 and 84, its ran true duals like you were talking about, the driver side is ran underneath the transfercase crossmember then back out. i only have 2 1/2inch pipe though
Jeff@PLC 02-13-2009, 12:51 AM Jeff I just walked over there and this was on the front window.
"We are now at 401 east 1st street, Santa Ana (714) 543-5992"
Griffin
Got it! I'll give them a call tomorrow. Thanks!
motoxscott 02-21-2009, 10:34 PM Here's some progress I've made. I cut the fender wells out and started the rear cage. I'm using 2" 4130 tubing for the main perimeter. Plating the frame where the tubes hit. Gonna stich weld the body to the horizontal tube to tie everything in so it's solid. I've got both sides done, now I need to start on the upper halo's, etc. Hopefully knock that out tomorrow.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_02.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_01.jpg
TCM GLX 02-21-2009, 10:39 PM Man o man that looks pretty!
Red91XLT 02-22-2009, 12:00 PM Damn this is a hell of a build. Scott, I'd really love to hear some sounds when you get it fired up & assembled. I'd love to know how those headers & borla muffler bring the note out.
Damn I wish I lived closer to the desert.. I would have so much fun with this shit!
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Listening to: Corey Smith - The Good Life (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/corey+smith/track/the+good+life)
via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)
Archer66 02-22-2009, 03:57 PM Scott, Awesome work so far. I may have missed it in the thread but are the rear links a kit or did you design and fab them? Are you using .093 wall on the 2" 4130?
Jeff@PLC 02-22-2009, 04:32 PM I'm not sure if Scott is building to SCORE rules but my guess is he is. If it's being built to SCORE tech requirements the tube has to be 2" x .120" wall thickness unless Scott can figure out a "weigh" to keep his rig under 4000lbs. SCORE no longer gives any sort of leeway on 4130 vs. regular DOM. This material requirement is only for the primary cage but that includes the front and rear hoops, all of the front and rear braces, all lateral braces, the A and B pillar tubes, door bar, and anything else that Savage says you must run. What's funny is on my prerunner build the use of 2" .120 4130 added 15% more weight to the truck. When I look back at how many feet of tube are in the primary cage that's a SIGNIFICANT amount of additional weight up high in the truck.
4130 2" .120" wall tube = 2.4 lbs per foot (approximately)
4130 1.75" .120" wall tube = 2.08 lbs per foot (approximately)
Aloha
motoxscott 02-28-2009, 11:56 PM Put some more of the rear tubes in and pulled off the shell to weld the tops and make it easier to work on now that I have everything level and square. Gonna put the roof tubes and window tubes in tomorrow.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_03.jpg
TCM GLX 03-01-2009, 12:13 AM Still lookin good scott!
vegasff 03-01-2009, 12:36 AM Inspiration at its greatest!!:rockon
landman 03-01-2009, 01:00 AM stop cluttering up other members build threads...
last warning.
yaabrother1 03-01-2009, 06:54 PM Looking Good DuDe!!!!
-ANDY
motoxscott 03-01-2009, 11:20 PM Got the roof tubes and window tubes in and everything is 100% welded. Threw the shell back on and will start building shock mounts, 3rd seat mount, etc.
Here's some pics with the shell off.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_04.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_05.jpg
steveG 03-01-2009, 11:22 PM Looking good, Scott!
che22879 03-02-2009, 04:11 AM awesome job!
stan the man 03-02-2009, 04:23 AM Looks amazing! Keep up the good work Scott. This thing is going to be too pretty to leave the shop.
Ptack1 03-02-2009, 01:07 PM Lookin great, i like how that rear case is put together with the horizontal beams accross the fenderwells. Nice work.
motoxscott 03-04-2009, 01:07 AM Got the power steering pump, pulleys and alternator mounted to the motor. You would think it would be pretty turn key except that this is the 3rd alt. bracket I've bought, the other two were far from fitting. Even this one I had to massage the brackets to fit to the cylinder head. Then since I'm running a dual belt pulley setup I then had to machine my own spacers to bring it forward and get new longer bolts ... so I pretty much built the whole thing other than using the brackets ... haha
Now gotta pull them off and send it to get black anodized, not digging the silver or blue parts.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_6.jpg
yaabrother1 03-04-2009, 02:15 PM Looks amazing!!!
-Andy
a&schase1 03-10-2009, 01:43 AM i cant wait to see how it turns out. good job
motoxscott 03-15-2009, 01:30 AM Here's some progress pics. As you can tell I've cut a lot of the floor and inner fenders out. Plan is to panel in the new tube structure which will be the new inner fenders, cut out most of the original sheetmetal in the fender area and even build some storage compartments into them like Goodmans Bronco.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_06.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_07.jpg
stan the man 03-15-2009, 03:35 AM This thing is ridiculous! I LOVE IT!
Becks_Bronco 03-15-2009, 06:27 AM i wish i could see photobucket... lol. I only have access to govt. internet here in the sandbox, and photobucket is blocked for whatever reason.:smilie_slap does anyone want to e-mail them to me??:beer
motoxscott 03-16-2009, 12:24 AM Here's what I got done today. Felt pretty productive, I guess not partying the nite before will do that to you haha.
Got most of the tubes in the rear, still need to add a few.Everything is just tacked right now. Mocked up a shock mount to get an idea of how to do that. Pretty stoked how its coming out since the last time I did this type of fab work was was 5+ years ago haha.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_08.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_09.jpg
Here's how the interior paneling will be with the black boxes being doors that access a compartment to put light stuff in like tow ropes, etc.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_10.jpg
bajascott 03-16-2009, 12:54 AM nice job scott!looks good.
Polar Cub 03-16-2009, 01:52 PM Looking good man..
Jeremy
watsfam 03-16-2009, 08:00 PM I have just one thing to say" THAT THING IS RIDICULOUS". Would love to have the time and money for a build like that, but the kids keep asking for food and clothes and stuff!!
Man now I have to get into my POS and drive home. Looks awsome!
I am a tech at a Ford dealer and we have a bronco in here now that has Camburg coilover kit on it and it looks real good.
motoxscott 03-24-2009, 05:03 PM Added some tubes over the weekend and as you can see most of the floor has been cut out now. It's gonna be easier just to build a new floor than try and patch it. This way I can lower the rear seat a little to gain more headroom too. I've been welding up holes & slots in the frame too.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_11.jpg
TCM GLX 03-24-2009, 05:46 PM Hey Scott, sent you a PM.......
motoxscott 05-05-2009, 01:46 AM Starting to make some progress. Got some more tubes in tonight and will start mounting the 3rd seat and tieing everything in. Sent out most of the aluminum spacers and mounts for the power steering pump and alt. to be stripped and anodized black and got some nice anodized red FK heims ... it cant be all go and no show :)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_7.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_8.jpg
motoxscott 05-07-2009, 02:33 AM Got some more diagonal tubes in and also the frame for the 3rd seat tacked in. Finally making some progress haha
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_12.jpg
steveG 05-07-2009, 02:43 AM Looking good, Scott!
yogib 05-07-2009, 10:21 PM Hey scott are you willing to share some motor specs with us.I plan to in the near future build a 357w motor and am still hashing out which way to go.I see you have the AFR heads,and a custom roller cam.But dont know what specs you went with.Ive been looking at the AFR 205,s,A comp cams 302 spec, .512/.533 112 Dur. lift cam (Roller of course),and some comp cams roller rockers.And run a safe pump gas 9.5:1 ratio or so.Still trying to decide if I will go Mass Air coversion or Carb.Been looking at the Edelbrock performer RPM Air gap intake and having the Injector bungs installed and run a snout with Mustang style 75mm TB.And 75mm After market flow meter.Thought I would just use the 88-93 mustang Mass air A9L computer and layover harness.Any way just thought I would ask.There are so many ways to go And it doesnt hurt to get other opinions.
PWMTN 05-08-2009, 10:40 AM Hey scott are you willing to share some motor specs with us.I plan to in the near future build a 357w motor and am still hashing out which way to go.I see you have the AFR heads,and a custom roller cam.But dont know what specs you went with.Ive been looking at the AFR 205,s,A comp cams 302 spec, .512/.533 112 Dur. lift cam (Roller of course),and some comp cams roller rockers.And run a safe pump gas 9.5:1 ratio or so.Still trying to decide if I will go Mass Air coversion or Carb.Been looking at the Edelbrock performer RPM Air gap intake and having the Injector bungs installed and run a snout with Mustang style 75mm TB.And 75mm After market flow meter.Thought I would just use the 88-93 mustang Mass air A9L computer and layover harness.Any way just thought I would ask.There are so many ways to go And it doesnt hurt to get other opinions.
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My engine research:
Mass air is best IMO. That is why Ford sells the conversion kit to go from SD to MAF. Get Desk top dyno to allow you to compare the various combos for the build. A9L will work for the HP needed without a custom chip. That computer is designed for MAF not SD. For lots of help go to the Mustang forums where most of the engine development discussion are. Lots of different forums to choose from and they all have discussions from mild upgrades to mild or big time strokers. IMO why rebuild unless you add displacement. Big displacement makes most of us very happy. 408 or 412 seems to be the sweet spot for a 351W roller stroker. Costs more than a 393 but will have much more to offer.
Remember pump gas varies a lot. Like CA87. US87, CA91, US91, Then Pmex87 and Pmex91. The Pmex is the best stuff, pure unleaded with no ox additives. Its best to design for CA87 then you will never have detonation. Do it wrong and you will be carrying octane booster for the inferior fuel. Design for Pmex and even the booster wont solve detonation using CA gas. Buy an off the shelf crate motor and take your chances and probably you will be looking for 94 octane or be adding booster. It a crap shoot.
Paul
motoxscott 05-09-2009, 04:07 PM Seat mount frame is welded in and seat tabs are tacked .....
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_13.jpg
motoxscott 05-09-2009, 09:46 PM Got the tube in behind the seat for the shoulder belts and also tied it into the bumpstop area. Took the tube to the bottom of the frame rail and I will box in the whole section.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_14.jpg
bighoss22r 05-09-2009, 11:22 PM Where did you get your power steering brackets? Or did you make them your self?
Polar Cub 05-10-2009, 10:57 AM Scott sure is looking nice, I am looking forward to seeing it out there. THanks for sharing.
Jeremy
motoxscott 05-11-2009, 01:13 AM Where did you get your power steering brackets? Or did you make them your self?
http://www.krcpower.com
Got the pump and bracket kit through them. I made new spacers off the cylinder head and had everything stripped and anodized black.
motoxscott 05-14-2009, 02:17 AM Got the FOX 2.0 x 4" bumpstops mounted. Two 1/8" dimpled side plates and a 3/16" center rib behind the can all welded up.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/cage_15.jpg
Brokenbronco 05-14-2009, 03:34 AM GREEN WITH ENVY!
silverslk 05-14-2009, 11:23 AM Beautiful !!!
wow scotty, it's really looking incredible!!!
did chase2 weld that up for you??? lol
cam-shaft 05-15-2009, 02:25 AM wow what a read! Looks and reads good I have not been on here for some time and you have made some serious progress. The 408ci is a good power plant, lots of torque. I like the Taco Sport, however prefer the off-road.
Had to add that I am glad to see someone else making power with gas other then a heavy, turbo lagging, faulking diesel.
Later, Cam-shaft.
Revenant 05-17-2009, 01:49 AM Hey Scott! The bump mounts look great!
Did you swap out the 4" coils already? If they're available, I might be interested in them if you have a length at ride height. Also wondering what brand fiberglass you've got.
Thanks.
motrucker 05-17-2009, 07:07 AM cant wait to see this beast on the road(or should i say off), your building a monster! great work!
Becks_Bronco 05-29-2009, 10:40 PM any new progress?
motoxscott 06-02-2009, 10:40 PM Decided to change up the valve covers. Getting rid of the cast Ford SVO ones and went with some Moroso fabricated aluminum ones that we welded on a filler and -12 AN bungs so I can run lines to an external breather/catch tank away from the motor. I'm gonna get them powdercoated black soon.
Took a pic of the sexy roller rockers and girdles hiding behind them :)
Currently working on the shock mounts ....
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_9.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_10.jpg
hurry, i wanna see this thing done.
Becks_Bronco 06-04-2009, 07:40 PM holy sexy. wanna do mine?
motoxscott 06-08-2009, 02:53 AM Shocks are finally mounted !!!! :)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/shocks.jpg
steveG 06-08-2009, 02:54 AM Nice! So you're almost done?
motoxscott 06-19-2009, 02:06 AM FINALLY !!!! Got the engine bolted up back into the frame. Autofab engine mounts fit pretty good had to persude it in a little, but to be expected. Custom oil pan has room around it, and so far holding up the headers, they fit too. Only thing that their isnt room for is the 14" x 6" air cleaner on top of the carb, gonna have to come up with something to address that. Either chop firewall or go UMP.
Now I get to pull it out and paint the frame around it and do some firewall work so I can put her in for good. Then mount up the transmission. Just stoked it went back in and everything cleared & fit.
Progress yes ... slow none the less.
- Scott
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_12.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/engine_11.jpg
stan the man 06-19-2009, 02:16 AM Too sexy. I don't this thing will every see dirt, let alone leave the driveway.
Jeff@PLC 06-19-2009, 02:56 AM Check to see if that particular WIX filter has a bypass... not all of the WIX Racing filters do. On a filter that's changed regularly it shouldn't be an issue but if the filter media plugs up with anything (water included) the motor will be starved for oil. The bypass might let crap by but at least it won't lose oil.
She's lookin' sexy! Autofab mounts needed some tough love eh? I cursed mine and they cursed me back... an hour of trial and error and I finally got it all together. That process is zero fun but worth it in the end.
Aloha
steveG 06-19-2009, 02:59 AM She's lookin' sexy! Autofab mounts needed some tough love eh? I cursed mine and they cursed me back... an hour of trial and error and I finally got it all together. That process is zero fun but worth it in the end.
Aloha
That's what the drill and grinder are for!
Looking good, Scott. So since you're working on the front does that mean the rear is done?
motoxscott 06-19-2009, 03:18 AM Done ... no ... but getting closer haha. It's sitting on all fours on it's own now. Wanted to work on the front then come back to the rear for all the little work. Still need to take the cage to the firewall and mount up seats, etc etc.
Should be done by 2015 haha
Philofab 06-19-2009, 11:05 AM Looks amazing... is your motor in the stock location? Is the air cleaner a 14"?
looks great scotty! just a heads up on the ump, make sure you are getting enough air through it (talk to aloha jeff). i was looking into putting one on mine and after jeff's story and reading other posts i decided it was too much of a hassle, just a heads up.
Becks_Bronco 06-19-2009, 03:22 PM Shocks are finally mounted !!!! :)
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/shocks.jpg
is this going to be offered as a kit? i know you guys offer it for the rangers, it would be awesome to start seeing this kind of work on DD Prerunner Bronco's.
motoxscott 06-19-2009, 03:48 PM Yea it's a kit we will offer once I finalize it shortly.
Rednek Renegade 06-19-2009, 03:50 PM Yea it's a kit we will offer once I finalize it shortly.
whats the MSRP. 20k or 30k
Becks_Bronco 06-19-2009, 05:29 PM Yea it's a kit we will offer once I finalize it shortly.
fantastic!
Brokenbronco 06-19-2009, 09:35 PM whats the MSRP. 20k or 30k
:smilie_slap Don't be that guy!
mkiefer 06-19-2009, 10:08 PM whats the MSRP. 20k or 30k
It will be $59.95 , install with wing nuts AND comes in your color choice of galvanized fence post or old railroad tie. It will be available though Lund and JC witney only. :histerica Its looks awsome Scott
Rednek Renegade 06-20-2009, 02:46 PM I wasnt tying to be an ass. I was merely trying to say that he has done alot of work and this type of work aint cheap :thumbup
Becks_Bronco 06-20-2009, 06:59 PM not expecting it to be cheap. This truck is probably worth more in just labor that the total value of every car i've owned combined.
motoxscott 07-08-2009, 01:38 AM Here's the start of the tranny x-member. Need to box in the tabs around the bushing and then also add some gussets to the side plates. Plans are to incorporate removeable tubes for a skid plate to run under the tranny and engine oil pan.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/trans_2.jpg
motoxscott 07-20-2009, 05:14 PM Got these things done lately.
- Built transmission x-member
- TIG'd spacers to backside of torque converter for correct amount of pull up
- Engine and transmission installed
- Bolted torque converter to flywheel
- Installed new high capacity MOROSO fabricated aluminum transmission pan
and just think the list of things to still do is 2 miles long haha
Got Droop ??
This is setup with about 23" of rear travel. Not sure what the final numbers will be until a driveshaft is made, that will be the limiting factor. The Bronco rear driveshaft is super short.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/rear_3-1.jpg
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd13/camburg/rear_4-1.jpg
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