Early returns... Looks like it's Kerry and Edwards! (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040120/D80689R80.html)

Kerry 36%
Edwards 34%
Dean 18%

20% reporting.

Kerry 37%
Edwards 33%
Dean 18%

38% reporting

Kerry 38%
Edwards 33%
Dean 18%

57% reporting.

I like Edwards. I hope he does well.

Kerry 38%
Edwards 33%
Dean 18%

77% reporting.

Republicans Oh yea!

Republicans Oh yea!

Oh Yea 500 servicemen & women dead to date , NO WMD found yet , most nations of the world now despise us , , factories and jobs going overseas at an all time high , let illegals stay to provide cheap labor for all their corporate buddies , Workman's comp benefits being gutted , schools being told no child shall be left behind or else.......but NO funding for the programs Bush wants implemented , and roads and bridges all over the country falling apart and now Bush is going to tell congress they have to curb spending .

Last year, the administration last year proposed spending up to $89 billion in health care tax credits to help those who do not have employer-based coverage. The Republican-led Congress took no action. Even when this president proposes something to help the working man ( which is'nt offten ) he can't get the other republicans to follow !

Next year we face a record deficit of 500 BILLION .and now he want to go to Fawking Mars !

Also , just from my view point I am getting sick and tired of whenever someone says anything about the President or his policies you get branded as unpatriotic , liberal ,commie and many other names that have been used .. Bush basically feels it's his way or the highway , Fck'm ,he forgets he is suppose to be working for US . You know.a public servant .

Oh and one more thing . He was nice enough to send 87 BILLION DOLLARS to fcking Iraq to help them rebuild ! Wheres our 87 billion .
87 BILLION divided by 50 states is about 1.5 BILLION for each . That's a lot of teachers salaries , school books , medicine , job training ,concrete and steel .

And don't any of ya dare say because of my believes I don't support our troops. It is they and their families that have suffered most from this administrations policies........God Bless'm

Republicans........Oh Yea...................I think not ! :mad:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3999491/
Kerry 38%
Edwards 32%
Dean 18%
95% counted

Oh Yea 500 servicemen & women dead to date , NO WMD found yet , most nations of the world now despise us , , factories and jobs going overseas at an all time high , let illegals stay to provide cheap labor for all their corporate buddies , Workman's comp benefits being gutted , schools being told no child shall be left behind or else.......but NO funding for the programs Bush wants implemented , and roads and bridges all over the country falling apart and now Bush is going to tell congress they have to curb spending .

Last year, the administration last year proposed spending up to $89 billion in health care tax credits to help those who do not have employer-based coverage. The Republican-led Congress took no action. Even when this president proposes something to help the working man ( which is'nt offten ) he can't get the other republicans to follow !

Next year we face a record deficit of 500 BILLION .and now he want to go to Fawking Mars !

Also , just from my view point I am getting sick and tired of whenever someone says anything about the President or his policies you get branded as unpatriotic , liberal ,commie and many other names that have been used .. Bush basically feels it's his way or the highway , Fck'm ,he forgets he is suppose to be working for US . You know.a public servant .

Oh and one more thing . He was nice enough to send 87 BILLION DOLLARS to fcking Iraq to help them rebuild ! Wheres our 87 billion .
87 BILLION divided by 50 states is about 1.5 BILLION for each . That's a lot of teachers salaries , school books , medicine , job training ,concrete and steel .

And don't any of ya dare say because of my believes I don't support our troops. It is they and their families that have suffered most from this administrations policies........God Bless'm

Republicans........Oh Yea...................I think not ! :mad:

Amazing how some here are capable of actually believing that Bush is responsible for every problem this country faces.

While I am increasingly concerned about our effort in Iraq, my primary concern is with execution... not with the effort.

However, I do hope leftist extremists such as yourself continue this kind of strident, ranting nonsense... since the vast majority of Americans clearly do not agree with your talking-points rant. After all, we've seen what good it did Howard Dean, didn't we?

Keep up the good work.

Oh Yea 500 servicemen & women dead to date , NO WMD found yet , most nations of the world now despise us , , factories and jobs going overseas at an all time high , let illegals stay to provide cheap labor for all their corporate buddies , Workman's comp benefits being gutted , schools being told no child shall be left behind or else.......but NO funding for the programs Bush wants implemented , and roads and bridges all over the country falling apart and now Bush is going to tell congress they have to curb spending .

Last year, the administration last year proposed spending up to $89 billion in health care tax credits to help those who do not have employer-based coverage. The Republican-led Congress took no action. Even when this president proposes something to help the working man ( which is'nt offten ) he can't get the other republicans to follow !

Next year we face a record deficit of 500 BILLION .and now he want to go to Fawking Mars !

Also , just from my view point I am getting sick and tired of whenever someone says anything about the President or his policies you get branded as unpatriotic , liberal ,commie and many other names that have been used .. Bush basically feels it's his way or the highway , Fck'm ,he forgets he is suppose to be working for US . You know.a public servant .

Oh and one more thing . He was nice enough to send 87 BILLION DOLLARS to fcking Iraq to help them rebuild ! Wheres our 87 billion .
87 BILLION divided by 50 states is about 1.5 BILLION for each . That's a lot of teachers salaries , school books , medicine , job training ,concrete and steel .

And don't any of ya dare say because of my believes I don't support our troops. It is they and their families that have suffered most from this administrations policies........God Bless'm

Republicans........Oh Yea...................I think not ! :mad:

:lolup ...or we could keep to ourselves until Saddam (or some other crazy ass) blows us all to hell! I worked on the pentagon reconstruction, maybe I have a different perspective. Praise the Lord, Pass the Ammo :thumbup

A reserved, understated Dean discusses his strategic plan with his campaign staff.... Words of wisdom from a crackhead (http://www.drudgereport.com/dean.mp3)

F-uck Republicans
It's true, if you don't agree with what is going on you are considered unpatriotic, fascist bastards!

Originally Posted by Dirtdigger
Oh Yea 500 servicemen & women dead to date , NO WMD found yet , most nations of the world now despise us , , factories and jobs going overseas at an all time high , let illegals stay to provide cheap labor for all their corporate buddies , Workman's comp benefits being gutted , schools being told no child shall be left behind or else.......but NO funding for the programs Bush wants implemented , and roads and bridges all over the country falling apart and now Bush is going to tell congress they have to curb spending .

Last year, the administration last year proposed spending up to $89 billion in health care tax credits to help those who do not have employer-based coverage. The Republican-led Congress took no action. Even when this president proposes something to help the working man ( which is'nt offten ) he can't get the other republicans to follow !

Next year we face a record deficit of 500 BILLION .and now he want to go to Fawking Mars !

Also , just from my view point I am getting sick and tired of whenever someone says anything about the President or his policies you get branded as unpatriotic , liberal ,commie and many other names that have been used .. Bush basically feels it's his way or the highway , Fck'm ,he forgets he is suppose to be working for US . You know.a public servant .

Oh and one more thing . He was nice enough to send 87 BILLION DOLLARS to fcking Iraq to help them rebuild ! Wheres our 87 billion .
87 BILLION divided by 50 states is about 1.5 BILLION for each . That's a lot of teachers salaries , school books , medicine , job training ,concrete and steel .

And don't any of ya dare say because of my believes I don't support our troops. It is they and their families that have suffered most from this administrations policies........God Bless'm

Republicans........Oh Yea...................I think not !


87 Billion in loans you infintile little pecker. Do your research and dont just repeat CNN. You think Bush can stop companies from outsourcing labor?
No, he cant. But you want to support democrats who wish to raise mininum wage? Do you know what happens when you raise mininum wage? EVERYTHING else goes up, food, gas, pot, beer, everything.

Roads and bridges are a state responsibility.

Create an actual argument against BUSH himself, like his faith his based charities initiative. Which gives 3.7 billion dollars to umm, Charities. Loius Farakhan is already ordereding his new caddilac thanks to this fund.

And, you wouldnt have a microwave, velcro or ziplock bags if it werent for space exploration. think about it.

And I am pleased to know this country is not in your hands. Saddam would still be plotting against us and our friends with the money we spent on oil.
Thanks to our troops and EARLY action, Iran is pissing itself right now, libya joined the fun and submitted and the saudis are more watched now than ever. Oh, and if it slipped your mind we freed millions of Iraqi's and now have the blessing of another oppressed nation released from a dictator.

Now show me one, just ONE friggin dem candidate that has a chance in hell of getting elected? NONE. I can thank bush for saving me gas money the past 2 years.

87 Billion in loans you infintile little pecker. Do your research and dint just repeat CNN. You think Bush can stop companies from outsourcing labor?
No, he cant. But you want to support democrats who wish to raise minimum wage? Do you know what happens when you raise minimum wage? EVERYTHING else goes up, food, gas, pot, beer, everything.

Roads and bridges are a state responsibility.

Create an actual argument against BUSH himself, like his faith his based charities initiative. Which gives 3.7 billion dollars to umm, Charities. Loius Farakhan is already ordereding his new caddilac thanks to this fund.

And, you wouldnt have a microwave, velcro or ziplock bags if it werent for space exploration. think about it.

You see , if you don't agree with the prez or say something against this republican administration they get pissed and start calling names . Free speech is a thing of the past with these guys .



And I am pleased to know this country is not in your hands. Saddam would still be plotting against us and our friends with the money we spent on oil.
Thanks to our troops and EARLY action, Iran is pissing itself right now, Libya joined the fun and submitted and the saudis are more watched now than ever. Oh, and if it slipped your mind we freed millions of Iraqi's and now have the blessing of another oppressed nation released from a dictator.

Now show me one, just ONE friggin dem candidate that has a chance in hell of getting elected? NONE. I can thank bush for saving me gas money the past 2 years.

Now as far as out sourcing jobs ,you bet he can . If companies keep jobs here THEN give'm tax breaks . Don't give'm tax breaks to help pay for their move to Mexico , China , or where ever you can put a Nike together for $5.00 just to sell it here for 100.00 or better . And ya know what , I don't blame just Bush for this , blame every president and congress that has let this shit go on.......republican or democrat . I bet there's a lot if guys on this board that have been laid off or fired in the past few years because of out sorcinging .

As far as minimum wage , yea I think it needs to go up . If you are a minimum job wage earner you need every cent you can make . You might be a high school student trying to pay for his first car , a collage student trying to help pay for his or her education or maybe a single mother trying to feed her kids . Your right I would gladly pay a little more know that the money is going into the pockets of American workers and not into the pockets of greedy executives .

As far as roads....if the states don't have the money they can't fix em . We spend 87 billion to rebuild Iraq but the American people can't drive on decent road..........that's just plain bull shit !

When you talk charities lets not talk about guys like Farrakhan or Jesse . There are MANY legitimate organizations out there that need help . Help to feed the poorest of people . People that have lost jobs , cars , houses ,and families for one reason or another . These are the people the politicians would like to see just go away . It don't matter what color , they are still Americans and need our help . Charity begins at home ! If what you say is true about the Cadillac then they are not doing a very good job watching our money and where it goes . And by all means please don't think I just want to hand out money . If you are able to work then you should . Whether you like it or not hungry people are hungry people , whether they are in the projects or in the suburbs . What should we do let kids ( many who were brought into this world by ignorant parents ) just starve . Help me out here CT . What should we do ? There is no easy out on this .

Do you really believe we needed to go to war when we did ? Did Saddam really impose a threat to us at that time ? These are questions that either you nor I can say for sure . All I know is that 500 of our finest are dead . Their families are in grieving .for what ? For a bunch of maybes . Maybe Saddam has WMD .Maybe he will attack us . Maybe he will attack his neighbors . Let's just stick to the facts . He didn't . Osama did . Spend the money finding him !
As far as liberating Iraq.They don't want us there ! Read and watch the news . They are killing us . And don't forget the 2,497 U.S. service members that are coming home with injuries ,no legs ,arms and ect...They are coming home with the real possibility of never working or leading a productive life again . Who will help them .....The V.A. ? They can't help the ones that returned from nam or the gulf war. Many of these men and women are homeless and have had to turn to the charities that you so loath .

Just for the record , I am not against the space program . This is just not the right time to tell the American tax payer that he needs to dig deeper into his pockets . After all we have a war to pay for and the rebuilding of a country we bombed . As for zip lock bags and Velcro , I just bet that if you gave a collage a grant .........or yes even an AMERICAN company a grant the could have developed these items .

C.T you and I have spared before on issues like this and it is clear that we will never see eye to eye . That's what's great about this country . We can agree to disagree . But it is obvious that you are real die hard supporter of this administration . You start off with a personal attack , which is the way the prez and his people act when someone DARES say anything against them .

As far as our troops go , I would not spare one cent to keep them safe . What ever it takes . They had no choice but to go . Their president sent them ,that is their job . But I still will not be happy till the last soldier is home and safe .

FRIENDS OF F.S.B. - I think these discussions are great... they help to make us ALL better Americans and better VOTERS... BUT THERE IS NO REASON TO START ATTACKING FOLKS PERSONALLY!!! If you can't talk about your politics w/out disrespecting someone, what are you saying for your party and beliefs? :twak

DDigger: Well played and well said!

Personally... I'm a Libertarian (not a Liberal) and I agree with just about everything you've said above! :rockon Oh yea... LOST MY JOB OF 5 YEARS TO OUTSOURCING. :brownbag

Fine, i take back the infintile pecker comment. I just am truly sick of people blaming bush for everything and offering no replacement for him or this administration. I see democrats becoming shifty, and lying and arguing amongst themselves. I see them attacking bush and creating blame and drama but offering NO better solution. Attacking Bush regarding the war makes me want to slap reality back into people. HE DID NOT LIE about WMD. 16 nations all had proof that the weapons were there, they all backed us going into this war and remain allies. Where did they go? Iran most likely, buried in the endless miles of sand. 500 of our finest prevented 500,000 terrorists attacks. Was paying suicide bombers in Gaza and laughing on TV the reason we went in? Maybe, or it could have been the other 3000 reasons to oust saddam and create a different mid-east more friendly to westerners. Or was it the direct link from Al Queda to Saddams bank account? Saddam funded several different terrorist organizations, with the money you spent at the gas station.

You have written this:
But it is obvious that you are real die hard supporter of this administration .

No, i am not. This faith based charity program has kept my vote in my pocket for the upcoming election. And, I would prefer to have some other president than Bush, Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Sharpton, etc. Give me someone else, cause I dont see a single one I like.

And if you dont like outsourcing than why would you recommend raising the minimum wage? The ripple effect after minimum wage is raised takes years to recover from. And forces more business to outsource to cheaper labor.
I dont mean to get ugly and spew venom, but after months of democratic liberal campaigning I am sick and tired of it. I am tired of people referring to our president as "Hitler" and he runs the US like " Enron" and the war was not needed.

I dont see a decent replacement for Bush, my guess is he has this election locked up tighter than a frogs ass. Especially with this faith based initiative.
If FSB had a religious affiliate and created a charity giving 4x4 rides to the homeless we could ask for government funding. Want lockers for the poor and indigent? There are way too many fly by night charities out there, the only real good ones get plenty of funding anyway. Like today, 1.7 BILLION dollars was donated to Salvation Army from the mcdonalds widow.
Organized religion + money = giant grey area protected by religious law.

You will never know where that 3.7 billion dollar faith based fund went to. If you want to attack Bush and his administration than leave the war out of it. Focus on stuff that is in the near future, not in the past. Because it truly sounds like the same old liberal rhetoric against a war that was finished the day they dragged that scumbag Saddam from his hole. The war did WAY more good than harm for that unruly region.

Fine, i take back the infintile pecker comment. I just am truly sick of people blaming bush for everything and offering no replacement for him or this administration.

Thank you C.T. and I voted for Harry Brown last run and would again if he could afford to run this time. :thumbup

You also make some excellent points.
Putting that WAR aside... I have had issue's with the BUSH & QUAIL families, long before Jr. ever ran for president. Too much money and politcal power in this country for my taste. Care to learn more? Read: "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herrer.

Putting that WAR aside... I have had issue's with the BUSH & QUAIL families, long before Jr. ever ran for president. Too much money and politcal power in this country for my taste. Care to learn more? Read: "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herrer.


Unfortunately, it takes money like the bush's have to run for president and win. Big popularity contest and money wins. I wish there were a normal candidate in the running, all of them are too extreme for my taste.

Dirtdigger and CT you both have excellent points, but as was stated previously I don't see a candidate from either party that I would vote for. I guess I need to check out the Liberterians
:imp

Unfortunately, it takes money like the bush's have to run for president and win. Big popularity contest and money wins. I wish there were a normal candidate in the running, all of them are too extreme for my taste.

Amen CT , you see we can agree on this. I am sure we both want what is best for this country , but some times people look at the fixes in different ways. And that's why we go to the polls every four years.To pick the canidate who we think will get the job done in the best way possible .

As far as George W goes , We will never agree . I think he is a man with his own personal agenda (getting reelected )and thinks very little about the working class . Unless he starts slipping in the polls . Then he puts on his denim shirt , tells the American worker how he can relate to the little guy . Then backs a law that takes their overtime pay away .Then his people give corperations the instructions how to do it ! I'm sorry , he is no friend to the average American .

sorry my post is below this one

Amen CT , you see we can agree on this. I am sure we both want what is best for this country , but some times people look at the fixes in different ways. And that's why we go to the polls every four years.To pick the canidate who we think will get the job done in the best way possible .

As far as George W goes , We will never agree . I think he is a man with his own personal agenda (getting reelected )and thinks very little about the working class . Unless he starts slipping in the polls . Then he puts on his denim shirt , tells the American worker how he can relate to the little guy . Then backs a law that takes their overtime pay away .Then his people give corperations the instructions how to do it ! I'm sorry , he is no friend to the average American .
I can easily relate to everything you have said.

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That's who I'm voting for :brownbag

I am voting for Bush for re-election. I love listening to Rush Limbaugh.

You know what I don't understand, Bush's father bush senior was not a very popular president and did not get reelected, so why did everyone vote for bush if they didn't like his father? That's like going out and buying a CD by a band you've never heard and then finding out that they suck, but when their next CD comes out you go out and buy it as well.

my room-mate is the president of the cal poly democrats. we've had some interesting discussions..

i am starting to take the side of dd more and more. ct has some very good points, because it is not entirely GW. but he is the man in charge, and ultimately the power/responsibility is his, especially military actions as he is the commander in chief.

IMO, we have too many issues to deal with before we go around playing peacemaker. yes, iraq is now free. but will it stay that way after we leave? how can it, regime change must come from within. if people don't have the power to overthrow a dictator, how can they keep another one from rising in his place, after we take him down? or what about the rising costs of college education? it already costs me over 14000 a year to attend college, and Cal Poly is one of the cheaper colleges in Cali. yet next year we will be seeing a 10% increase. i agree with DD, before we dump 87 billion into Iraq, lets dump it into the states. CT, yes the money given to Iraq are loans, but unpaid loans just = more debt. will we ever see our money back? not likely IMO, but it can also be viewed as an 87 billion investment into the world economy which should be more stable. there really are so many variables to deal with here.

just my .02 i am too tired to think of a serious rant off the top of my head.

my room-mate is the president of the cal poly democrats. we've had some interesting discussions..

i am starting to take the side of dd more and more. ct has some very good points, because it is not entirely GW. but he is the man in charge, and ultimately the power/responsibility is his, especially military actions as he is the commander in chief.

IMO, we have too many issues to deal with before we go around playing peacemaker. yes, iraq is now free. but will it stay that way after we leave? how can it, regime change must come from within. if people don't have the power to overthrow a dictator, how can they keep another one from rising in his place, after we take him down? or what about the rising costs of college education? it already costs me over 14000 a year to attend college, and Cal Poly is one of the cheaper colleges in Cali. yet next year we will be seeing a 10% increase. i agree with DD, before we dump 87 billion into Iraq, lets dump it into the states. CT, yes the money given to Iraq are loans, but unpaid loans just = more debt. will we ever see our money back? not likely IMO, but it can also be viewed as an 87 billion investment into the world economy which should be more stable. there really are so many variables to deal with here.

just my .02 i am too tired to think of a serious rant off the top of my head.
"Will it stay that way after we leave"
Come on now do all of you really think saddam was the last of his kind? I'm sure he will have successors.

You know what I don't understand, Bush's father bush senior was not a very popular president and did not get reelected, so why did everyone vote for bush if they didn't like his father? That's like going out and buying a CD by a band you've never heard and then finding out that they suck, but when their next CD comes out you go out and buy it as well.
G.W. Bush was not elected, he was appointed.

I guess I need to check out the Liberterians
:imp
Allow me to help... Libertarian Party Website (http://www.lp.org/) :chili:

Still gotta check out this years candidates... they haven't settled yet.
Libertarian Party candidates for President and Vice-President (http://www.dehnbase.org/lpus/library/pres-cand-2004.html)

Shameless plug for the little guys in the political arena.
Will my party win... not likely, but my vote goes for what I believe and shows that I'm not happy with my current governing bodies. :thumbup

Originally Posted by 78bronco460
G.W. Bush was not elected, he was appointed.

You are 100% right!!! :rockon

Bush is not running for re-election, he is running for election.

You are 100% right!!! :rockon

Bush is not running for re-election, he is running for election.
Are you saying he could be president for the next 8 years. If so f-uck this bullshit I'm moving to England or something.

You know what I don't understand, Bush's father bush senior was not a very popular president and did not get reelected, so why did everyone vote for bush if they didn't like his father? That's like going out and buying a CD by a band you've never heard and then finding out that they suck, but when their next CD comes out you go out and buy it as well.

As I recall GWB was not elected . The popular vote ( yours & mine ) went to Gore . He was elected by the electoral college,( The body of electors who formally elect the United States president and vice-president ) what ever the fawk that is . I don't pretend to know every thing about the election process , but I know this ain't right . Why go to the polls if your vote don't count .

Also I do know that the whole election hinged on the state of Florida , which just happens to be the state which GWB's brother is the governor . If I recall the popular vote went to Gore but the electoral vote went to Bush . How does this happen when the electoral collage is suppose to represent our vote ? IMHO a few phone calls were made from GWB to brother Jebb . But that's just my opinion .

Before all you die hard Bush supporters jump my shit let me say this . I don't know if Gore would have been a better president or not . I just think we wouldn't be so far over our heads as far as the war , national debt , or unemployment . Whether people like it or not democrats still look out for the little guy more than the republicans do . The only thing this administration can say they have done is cut taxes . Big deal.do you guys live any better because of it ? How many took that $400.00 check you got and put it in the bank . How can you cut taxes and spend at record levels ? Something has to give . Keep supporting this administration and you can stand on the shore lines and kiss your jobs good-by as they move over seas . Watch the illegal aliens come here and take the entry level jobs from our teenagers and other people who might need a job to to put food on the table .


One other thing . You younger guys out there , think about your future . Although it might seem like it's a long time off , what about social security and Medicare . If the republicans had their way they would have raided these funds already . They want you to invest your own money into stocks and alike for your retirement . By doing this it helps out the companies that you invest in . Can you make the commitment to leave that money alone for lets say.....30 to 40 years ? What if something happens and you need that money for an emergency . You take it , now you are at retirement age with nothing . Yea paying social security taxes suck , but at least you can't touch it till ya need it . Same with Medicaid .

Ya, I know my rants are long but I just can not sit by while people defend this president and his policies based upon what a great leader he is because he took on Saddam . Saddam was a insignificant nothing in the over all picture . What about North Korea with their nuclear weapons ? What are we doing with them .........nothing ! We are negotiating with them ......or should I say they are telling us what they want . They want our aid and will receive it . Go figure . :banghead

Digger, i could go on for days about both democrats and republicans. How they both suck in their very own special way.

You constantly contradict yourself in this thread and produce a melancholy ho-hum, bush is the problem, all the world sucks kinda opinion. Please, if you wish to tear into our president than bring up something current. He was elected by the majority of this country, dont doubt that, Gore was a sorry ass loser and whines to this day.

Yes, managing your own SS is a FAN FAWKING TASTIC idea. Because it can be used for retirement like it was meant for. Currently it is being drained by medical issues people have, like a savings account for handicapped people. People that claim they cant work because they are too fat collect money from SS, and people who claim they are schitzo drain the fund as well. Even people who NEVER paid a cent into SS are benefitting from it. REad up on it before you bash it.

Whether people like it or not democrats still look out for the little guy more than the republicans do . The only thing this administration can say they have done is cut taxes . Big deal.do you guys live any better because of it ? How many took that $400.00 check you got and put it in the bank

That is exactly what the democratic compaign wants you to think. Dont forget the $400.00 per kid check too. Or the killing of the marriage penalty, which was invented by Dems and Raised twice by Dems. What do the Dems have against normal married couples? They wanted the ghey and lesbo vote. And consider the jobs created by rebuilding our military in giant contracts to companies like Raytheon, Lockheed, etc. Right now Raytheon is hiring over 300 people in Tucson, 300 jobs posted. Outsourcing, Layoffs were representative of a recession that started before Klinton left office. It happens, get over it, the economy is like the tide. The Dems have always played the "little guy" card since FDR, and then Kennedy, then Carter, etc.

You know why i appreciate the "No BS" stlye of the republicans? Because they dont give a flying fawk what the french think, and my gas prices are low. Farming is increased, manufacturing increases, and once again our gas prices are down. I dont like bush, he does not get my vote. You want to know why the democrats suck soo much? The ones that get huge hollywood financing are far left, not in the center. Hollywood wants far left, and thats what the money dictates. Take hollywood out of the democratic party and you got a great thing. I still believe the ultimate disrespect was Clinton renting out Lincolns bedroom for campaign finances. That man is the biggest scumbag lowlife, lying sack of monkey shit. And, hollywood loved him.
Kerry seems kinda mellow, although his melon is kinda brutal to look at.
And, seriously this is a message to all that read this fred.

Each state has its own style of presenting the news, offering a spin on either one of the political parties. Here in AZ, its all republican and we hear about the dumb things Dems do. And in your state, it may be opposite. Its up to all of us to dig deeper and learn more about these people being advertised to us. Truly, they are trying to sell themselves like a vaccum cleaner on TV. Some like Wes Clark use "fear of Bush" tactics, others use "fear of Dean" tactics.

I dont want a bible thumping president, or a ghey hollywood backed one. Something in between would be refreshing. And, to be quite honest Kerry is looking like that guy.

Speaking of jobs, that racist son of a bitch sitting in the white house said that he will allow more Mexicans in to this country only if they work jobs that nobody else wants. So that's basically saying your opportunity depends on the color of your skin. That is very unamerican if you ask me.

CT the first part of my response was to metal head's question .

As far as social security.let just say you are working and for some reason , accident , being a victim of a crime or maybe ..............war , you become disabled . You don't have enough money in you retirement fund or whatever you choose to call it . What do you do ? Starve to death on the streets ? Social security forces us to save it . Yes even the fat person that they deem disabled gets it . So do the factory workers that loose arms and legs , the elderly that can't work . And what about the poor guy that never caught a break in life and had to work at low paying or minimum wage jobs that can't afford or did not know how to invest his money . Do you just through these people away . Tell me CT what are you plans for these people . If it sounds good , shit I might like to see you run for office !

Also this is the second or third time you have mentioned the price of gas . Personally , the price of gas here in Illinois is hovering around $1.69 - $1.99 per gallon . Two years ago it spiked to about $2.50 -$3.00 per gallon . How am I better off now ?
I gas is your big concern , drive a smaller veical.........not a Bronco .

You say " And consider the jobs created by rebuilding our military in giant contracts to companies like Raytheon, Lockheed, etc. Right now Raytheon is hiring over 300 people in Tucson, 300 jobs posted. " Big deal 300 jobs ! We have lost millions over the last three years . Motorola , Levi Strauss , Fannie May Candies ......the list is just to long for me to remember . And you talking about 300 jobs that were created by the war ! At what expense ? $87 billion , 500 dead Americans . Not a fair trade off !

As far as candidates for president , I don't like any of them . They are all crooks . liars ,and cheats . If they weren't the would not be where they are today .

As far as Clinton or any other president , I don't give a fawk if they turn the white house into a Holiday Inn as long as they work for us . This two party system we have suck . Just don't see it changing anytime soon .

The county would have went to hell if Gore was President.
Love Gorilla Dean, what a candidate, hope he goes to hell in the primaries.
Gore had his chance to help while being VP.
Bush is fixing CLintons crap while he was getting blown.

Speaking of jobs, that racist son of a bitch sitting in the white house said that he will allow more Mexicans in to this country only if they work jobs that nobody else wants. So that's basically saying your opportunity depends on the color of your skin. That is very unamerican if you ask me.

How does the president judge what jobs that Americans don't want ? If you pay people a decent wage people will take the jobs. What he is really saying is that he wants to supply cheap labor for his corporate campaign contributers .While we are on this subject , I feel some people miss another point . The Mexican people come here for a better life , which I can not fault them for . In most cases they are a hard working proud people . But when they get here the jobs they get are low paying under the table jobs ( less that minimum wage , no taxes paid , no benefits , no rights ). Many times the money they makes goes back to Mexico to help their families . How does that help our economy ? If ya take'm in , make sure they are legal , tax paying immigrants . Keep the playing field level for our workers ! Enforce our immigration laws . Put on more boarder patrols .Whatever it takes .

CT the first part of my response was to metal head's question .

As far as social security.let just say you are working and for some reason , accident , being a victim of a crime or maybe ..............war , you become disabled . You don't have enough money in you retirement fund or whatever you choose to call it . What do you do ? Starve to death on the streets ? Social security forces us to save it . Yes even the fat person that they deem disabled gets it . So do the factory workers that loose arms and legs , the elderly that can't work . And what about the poor guy that never caught a break in life and had to work at low paying or minimum wage jobs that can't afford or did not know how to invest his money . Do you just through these people away . Tell me CT what are you plans for these people . If it sounds good , shit I might like to see you run for office !

Also this is the second or third time you have mentioned the price of gas . Personally , the price of gas here in Illinois is hovering around $1.69 - $1.99 per gallon . Two years ago it spiked to about $2.50 -$3.00 per gallon . How am I better off now ?
I gas is your big concern , drive a smaller veical.........not a Bronco .

You say " And consider the jobs created by rebuilding our military in giant contracts to companies like Raytheon, Lockheed, etc. Right now Raytheon is hiring over 300 people in Tucson, 300 jobs posted. " Big deal 300 jobs ! We have lost millions over the last three years . Motorola , Levi Strauss , Fannie May Candies ......the list is just to long for me to remember . And you talking about 300 jobs that were created by the war ! At what expense ? $87 billion , 500 dead Americans . Not a fair trade off !

As far as candidates for president , I don't like any of them . They are all crooks . liars ,and cheats . If they weren't the would not be where they are today .

As far as Clinton or any other president , I don't give a fawk if they turn the white house into a Holiday Inn as long as they work for us . This two party system we have suck . Just don't see it changing anytime soon .
My God, gas there is a rip off. Our gas here is $1.61 for regular unleaded and I'm bitching about it. The most I've ever seen reg. unld. here for was $1.89 back in fall of 2001. Then they talk about low supply. If there's such a low supply, then howcome all they do is raise the price but you can go and buy as much gas as you want? Or why do they raise the price on holidays only? It almost makes me laugh when gas stations bitch about people steeling gas, well look at the price and walah there's your answer. And Yes I agree that all them politics are crooks, liars, and cheats.

The county would have went to hell if Gore was President.
Love Gorilla Dean, what a candidate, hope he goes to hell in the primaries.
Gore had his chance to help while being VP.
Bush is fixing CLintons crap while he was getting blown.

Now this kinda talk is cheap . At least CT has some legitimate points . Explain what you said .

One more thing. Cheney looks like Mr.Burns from the simpsons and I dont trust that man at all. I do think Bush will pick a different running mate for the next 4 years, and that will seal the deal for his re-election.

You know what's funny; the names of the three most powerful men in the country are Dick, Bush, and Colon. LOL :histerica

One more thing. Cheney looks like Mr.Burns from the simpsons and I dont trust that man at all. I do think Bush will pick a different running mate for the next 4 years, and that will seal the deal for his re-election.


Nope. If nothing else, too much "Bush-Cheney 2004" political stuff (signs, bumperstickers and the like) have already been distributed around the country by the Bush campaign. He's dancin' wit da one what brought him.

Some still believe hillary is going to run at the last minute, leaving very little time to publicly smear her before the election.

Some still believe hillary is going to run at the last minute, leaving very little time to publicly smear her before the election.

Would'nt that be something to see . She would have the womans vote , the minorities vote , the gay vote , the democratic vote , independent vote ( if they can't do better ) . Bush might win , but God it would make for an intresting race . But if any bitc.......er I mean person can throw I monkey wrench into the works ..........it's her .

You know what's funny; the names of the three most powerful men in the country are Dick, Bush, and Colon. LOL :histerica

As a senator told me during the 2000 campaign:

"My 16 year old son came up to me yesterday with what he called the best campaign slogan he'd ever heard: 'Dick and Bush - it's a natural!"

I am sorry guys , and I 'll let it drop after this . But this is the kinda shit that has to stop ! Clicky (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040121/ts_nm/bush_iraq_dc_2)

What has to stop? Military spending? Or better yet, spending money on military?

I could think of worse places to put money than our military

No CT , not all military spending . Just the Iraq part . Give'm there country back and let's bring the troops home . This serious money .........that's a B.... as in billion's . We just need the money here more .

What has to stop? Military spending? Or better yet, spending money on military?

I could think of worse places to put money than our military
How about education. Or to help citizens in our country. You know what I'm sick of is everytime I walk around downtown , a bum comes up to me and asks for some spare change or a dollar or something so he can eat. I swear this happens almost everytime. Whats funny is George Dubya Bush blows all this money to kick back and watch 500 US citizens get killed for no f-ucking reason yet people in his own nation are homeless and starving.

How about education. Or to help citizens in our country. You know what I'm sick of is everytime I walk around downtown , a bum comes up to me and asks for some spare change or a dollar or something so he can eat. I swear this happens almost everytime. Whats funny is George Dubya Bush blows all this money to kick back and watch 500 US citizens get killed for no f-ucking reason yet people in his own nation are homeless and starving.

So.... how many billions spent on "education and the homeless" are enough billions to satisfy you?

The fact is that most homeless people are homeless, by and large, because they WANT to be homeless... or else they wouldn't be... as I was.

And when it comes to "starving," please provide proof where anyone has starved in this country as a result of the failure of our government to intervene.

The poorest Americans are richer then 92% of the rest of the entire ****ing planet. A majority of the "poor" in this country are homeowners, with cars, microwaves, color TV and cable. The idea that anyone here could think that any American is starving, unless they WANT to starve (anorexia comes to mind) is absurd.

Over half the budget in the State of Washington goes to education. These 183 day-per-year employees, otherwise known as teachers, average $49,000 per year, $267 per day, $38.25 per hour. Teachers on a per hour basis are paid more then almost any other government employee.... more then Police.... more then firemen... more, in some cases, then doctors. There are 70,000 of these kinds of employees in this state, classified as teachers.... including librarians, counselors, audio-visual assistants and the like... and the product they let loose on an unsuspecting public is abysmal.

Schools being built here cost 30% more then they should, because we have been required to pay prevailing wage to those building them.... meaning a $10,000,000 school costs the taxpayers $13,000,000.

So... how much is enough?

We kicked ass in Iraq... and there is more ass to be kicked in other places. Unfortunately, kicking ass isn't cheap. I would just as soon get this done now, when we control the situation, as later, when somebody else not interested in playing by the rules controls it.