Ok, so now I am a yes man (married) and the wedding and honeymoon were awesome (still coming down from it all).....

I'd like to get the truck out on some close by trails in about 3-4 weeks (end of June), what say yee???:popc1:

Fine with some camping so don't mind an overnighter, but not with distance. Mild to moderate trails is my thinking.

So something up Boulder, Estes Park, Fort Collins areas would be fine by me.

Anyone else????????????:popc1:

Hell yes. I was just thinking about this 10 min ago. I was back looking at the Bill Moore pictures and was thinking its time for another trip.

An over nighter sounds like a damn good time. And of course I am always down for a mild to moderate trail so I dont have to worry about messing up my truck.

Also, I hope to be purchasing my suspension lift soon. My 31's have about 5-8k miles left on them, so I need to get the lift ordered and put on in the next couple months.

Im game for a wheelin trip. i need to get out. Been thinkin about doin a quick trip up carnage now that its all melted.

I'd be down for it, but I have a 2 wheel drive bronco. Aussie is on a two week back order :cry

My wife and I each have one and really would like to get together with other FSB owners for a trail ride. Overnight camping no problem - have tent will travel. Both of ours are moderately worn, so battle scars are no problem. BUT we do have small tires. 235 whatevers, so no monster truck stuff for us quite yet. If there was a time and date set for a meeting location, we'd set it aside to be there any way possible.

How bout Buena Vista, June 28? I am taking my Bronco (Elway) there, to wheel with a bunch of K5s. I know quite a few of them are planning on camping at the entrance to Old Chinaman's

I did 3/4 of this trail in a stock 70 K5, so its not too difficult.

There is one guy from Greeley, (Scott Riley) who is going.

I was thinkin that we should set up bill moore again for the beginning of july. Seems to be a good middleground that everyone can make

Bill Moore was a fun run, and I know I can do it with my stock Bronco on 31's.

If bill moore is an option I am pretty sure that I can make this trip. I will not be in the bronco it will be in my stock 4runner.

How bout Buena Vista, June 28? I am taking my Bronco (Elway) there, to wheel with a bunch of K5s. I know quite a few of them are planning on camping at the entrance to Old Chinaman's

I did 3/4 of this trail in a stock 70 K5, so its not too difficult.

There is one guy from Greeley, (Scott Riley) who is going.

Buena Vista looks like a nice area, but a bit far for me at this time, looking for something a little closer.

I'd be up for Bill Moore of course, mainly because it's very close and has great scenary. But, aside from the Carnage area (which I think I'd be up for as well) what other trails are there? I might have to go search our Bill Moore run as I recall there being another trail up there too. I'd like to go on something different.

First week of July is usually not a good time to be going anywhere. I liked the mention of June 28 (week before the 4th).

beginning didnt have be the first week but I think that you have to give some people a little more notice as these trips are now something some of us have to save for. I believe red cone is up that way. There seemed to be a whole system of trails right there off of bill moore as well. Unless we just do a canage run or somethin I am booked through june anyways carnage is close enough that it doesnt have to be all day.

there is also kingston peak/ yankee hill behind central city/ blackhawk. good camping in that area also. I cant do june tho. Im busy till the 29th.

ok, so why don't we shoot for something the weekend after the 4th of July...that would be the 12th/13th, and I think that is doable for me at this point (think it's the following weekend I have to stay at home base)? Not trying to exclude anyone here but since I started the thread I'd like to focus discussion on the Bill Moore area, Carnage area, and Central City/Blackhawk area. Close by. I'll go do some checking but if anyone has hit specific trails and has links that would be fantastic.

So can we hear who might have interest in these areas? Likely a day trip this time, but we can discuss that further if there is good camping. We can also discuss trail difficulty so folks can make a decision.

EDIT: ahh, I just remembered Kingston Peak is the other trail I was thinking about near Bill Moore. I'd like more info. on that and this yankee hill.

ok, so why don't we shoot for something the weekend after the 4th of July...that would be the 12th/13th, and I think that is doable for me at this point (think it's the following weekend I have to stay at home base)? Not trying to exclude anyone here but since I started the thread I'd like to focus discussion on the Bill Moore area, Carnage area, and Central City/Blackhawk area. Close by. I'll go do some checking but if anyone has hit specific trails and has links that would be fantastic.

So can we hear who might have interest in these areas? Likely a day trip this time, but we can discuss that further if there is good camping. We can also discuss trail difficulty so folks can make a decision.

EDIT: ahh, I just remembered Kingston Peak is the other trail I was thinking about near Bill Moore. I'd like more info. on that and this yankee hill.


That would work for me, If I dont have my locker by then I never will. Be fun to try it out. Never had one. Camping would be good.

should work for me

Red Elephant Hill (http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=46) leads into Bill Moore about 1/2 way up I have never driven yet but it sounds mostly stock friendly although maybe a bit tight for those who do not like pin stripes.

I have wanted to do that one for a while. These are nice because they are only 4-5 gallons of gas away.

Kingston peak (http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=14) running over Apex? to St. Marys Glacier is a real pretty drive also and if it was started early enough could be followed by a trip up Bill Moore.

Jenny Creek (http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=17) is one of my wifes favorites but might be a bit much for the timid. But it is do-able in a stock rig.

We could always do spring creek but its a little rough on top.There is bypasses on most things.Just past idaho springs

I think me and my girl could come for the 11th/12th in my stock rigg. Sounds like fun!

We could always do spring creek but its a little rough on top.There is bypasses on most things.Just past idaho springs

Have not been there in a long while there were no bypasses then and I had to back off. With bypasses it would offer something for all.

Maybe............................................. ......... If it's not to difficult. I'm skeared a bit.


Bill Moore http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=12

Spring Creek http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=36

Kingston http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=14

The kingston peak trail looks damn cool...that mud puddle looks like fun. And July 12th/13th sounds good to me too. I am pretty booked threw June...have to work with my dad on a few job sites in Arizona and New Mexico for the last couple weeks in June. And I will be up at Lake Haiti in Wyoming 4th of July weekend.

I like the idea of running Kingston Peak on the 12th, do some camping over the night, then run Bill Moore on the 13th.

i would probably be able to come on any date...providing i get a job in the next week or so.

A good day trip for all would be kingston peak. Run it from the apex/central city side over to st mary's. the go down fall river road a mile or so then back up n over yankee hill. which will drop you back to the starting point. then if anyone wants there is camping up there and a nice campground too. it's a nice wheelin trip thats close to home and is doable by stock rigs. I know my way around up there really well.


I have never done jenny creek but heard its a fun one. Have always wanted to try it and spring creek.

A good day trip for all would be kingston peak. Run it from the apex/central city side over to st mary's. the go down fall river road a mile or so then back up n over yankee hill. which will drop you back to the starting point. then if anyone wants there is camping up there and a nice campground too. it's a nice wheelin trip thats close to home and is doable by stock rigs. I know my way around up there really well.


I have never done jenny creek but heard its a fun one. Have always wanted to try it and spring creek.

Ok, so let me take a look at the links provided, and should we go ahead and say there will be a run July 12 (saturday) and possible camping that night (not having been up there I have no idea what to expect, we could even do a night run if folks like that idear) with another run Sunday the 13th. Runs would be in this Kingston, Bill Moore, Jenny area.:chili::rockon:beer

I'd rather a day run but I aint the organizer

A night run with camping and day runs!

Spring Creek sounds like fun but at an 8 on a 10 scale looks tuff for stockers.

Melt snow melt!

A night run with camping and day runs!

Spring Creek sounds like fun but at an 8 on a 10 scale looks tuff for stockers.

Melt snow melt!

6-8, but yes, stockers...this would be the one to avoid. But, if we have enough interest we may break into 2 groups for a short while so those that want can do this trail (I'd be up for this).

Also, Don...as Chris mentioned I was talking about Sat/Sun day runs and that would mean overnight camping for those wanting to (hey if we're up there as may as well take full advantage and try to do all trails you wish to do). If doing overnight camping, the 2bigbroncos northwest I used to be with always did a night run. Trails are so much different at night, and then you get to play with your trail lights.:chili:

Is anyone planning on being up there and possibly scouting current conditions?

If this is a go, can we start getting a head count on who is yea, nay, and maybe?

can any give us a bit more feedback on camping (fees, space availability for a group, fires allowed, restroom facilities, etc?)

heres some info on the campground

http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/Columbine_Campground_Co/r/campgroundDetails.do?page=details&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70776&topTabIndex=CampingSpot

6-8, but yes, stockers...this would be the one to avoid. But, if we have enough interest we may break into 2 groups for a short while so those that want can do this trail (I'd be up for this).

Also, Don...as Chris mentioned I was talking about Sat/Sun day runs and that would mean overnight camping for those wanting to (hey if we're up there as may as well take full advantage and try to do all trails you wish to do). If doing overnight camping, the 2bigbroncos northwest I used to be with always did a night run. Trails are so much different at night, and then you get to play with your trail lights.:chili:

Is anyone planning on being up there and possibly scouting current conditions?

If this is a go, can we start getting a head count on who is yea, nay, and maybe?

can any give us a bit more feedback on camping (fees, space availability for a group, fires allowed, restroom facilities, etc?)
Mark, If you want to head up some saturday morning I may be up to tag along to scout.

heres some info on the campground

http://www.reserveamerica.com/camping/Columbine_Campground_Co/r/campgroundDetails.do?page=details&contractCode=NRSO&parkId=70776&topTabIndex=CampingSpot

that's great we can reserve on line. Any tips on which sites a group should try and get? Looks like most are open the 12-13th. It shows 1 vehicle per site at $14/night, do you know if they are cool if 2 trucks are at one site? Not a biggy, just trying to keep cost down where possible. If we're doing campfires we should try and get several sites in a row.

Don, I'd like to scout the campsite depending on what Zoso says, but beyond that, I'm pretty clueless on scouting any of the trails as I'd have trouble getting to bill moore again, let alone the other sites. The trail heads here don't exactly appear to be marked real well.

I'd be happy to drive up to the campsite and meet you/anyone to check it out if you're planning on camping too. Looks very nice though, pretty much what we did during NW broncofests....toilets and such, and water if needed. Aside from Zoso and Wileec and Swat, anyone been on these trails? Just want to know if we have a run scheduled, whom would be there that has been on these trails.

The easiest ways to follow trails out her eis oftentimes through road numbers. I may be interested in camping but it would have to be a friday into a saturday with my schedule. If its sat-sun I'll just head home after the run.

Oops that is the weekend my kids get back from trip with Grandparents AND we take them off to summer camp. Have to count me out. I Would be up for a scout trip and maybe a smaller run up Jenny Creek 2nd or 3rd week in June. [/hijack]

CO4X4 trip reports will be a good way to scout snow/trail conditions via the web.

also bushducks (http://www.bushducks.com/tripreps/passopen.htm) has a well populated list.

CO4X4 trip reports will be a good way to scout snow/trail conditions via the web.
Really i didnt think that site was good for anything but talking about heeps and being on ones high horse.

Campgrounds??? WTF???? We dont need no stinking campgrounds!!!!
Pull off the trail and hang out:beer

Campgrounds??? WTF???? We dont need no stinking campgrounds!!!!
Pull off the trail and hang out:beer
If i camp that's what I'll do. I don't like campgrounds............they have people

Really i didnt think that site was good for anything but talking about heeps and being on ones high horse.

Lots of jeeps there but one mod has an EB and another a scout. They don't put-up with brand bashing.

The trip report section may be of use to know that the trails are passable and not still snowed over.

If i camp that's what I'll do. I don't like campgrounds............they have people

X2 At large camping is free and away from the RV scene.

Lots of jeeps there but one mod has an EB and another a scout. They don't put-up with brand bashing.

The trip report section may be of use to know that the trails are passable and not still snowed over.
Funny cause I have seen it over there a lot and I see it a ton more when they are on the trail. Your examples are also of the minority not the majority. That is kind of like saying a mod on FSB has a toyota. It is a very general statement.

X2 At large camping is free and away from the RV scene.
yup i don't like noisy generators

yup i don't like noisy generators


Me neither I'd rather blast my rock nr oll and shoot my guns too. That pisses-off the RV crowd.

CO4X4 has it's problem, agreed.

But here is a recent report on Spring Creek:
http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=124493

Some of the trails will open late this year fo sho with all da snow.

well im kinda available this weekend to scout. Next weekend is out for me. I'll be in steamboat. the weekend after that im good to go. I wanna get out. this time last year yankee was snowed in back in the trees. we'll have to see what its like this year. just lemme know.

well im kinda available this weekend to scout. Next weekend is out for me. I'll be in steamboat. the weekend after that im good to go. I wanna get out. this time last year yankee was snowed in back in the trees. we'll have to see what its like this year. just lemme know.


Have you run these trails??? Know of some good at large camping? Do you have any vid of my rig on Carnage? What kind of beer do you like? Lets Wheel!:thumbup

well im kinda available this weekend to scout. Next weekend is out for me. I'll be in steamboat. the weekend after that im good to go. I wanna get out. this time last year yankee was snowed in back in the trees. we'll have to see what its like this year. just lemme know.
i'm in for the weekend after you get back from steamboat

Well, after looking at a current report or two, it really is likely not bad, considering the trip date is not for another 5-6 weeks.

But guys, I'm ok with a group camp spot if there is something available that is not at a campsite, and is LEGAL. If you want to blast music and shoot guns I'm not into that and there may be others that won't be into that (supposed to be family oriented). You want to drink around a campfire, have a good time, great, but I don't see where guns come into play, at least not this event. Music is fine if kept at a reasonable level.

So lets plan for the weekend of the 21st to scout this out. That way I can get the car ready for steamboat this weekend.

Chris, yea i got some video somewhere. I'll get it onto the computer and send it your way. And i agree let's wheel.

Well, after looking at a current report or two, it really is likely not bad, considering the trip date is not for another 5-6 weeks.

But guys, I'm ok with a group camp spot if there is something available that is not at a campsite, and is LEGAL. If you want to blast music and shoot guns I'm not into that and there may be others that won't be into that (supposed to be family oriented). You want to drink around a campfire, have a good time, great, but I don't see where guns come into play, at least not this event. Music is fine if kept at a reasonable level.
Mark I will have my pistol along but it will not likely leave the truck or my tent. Guns and alcohol don't mix. I really camp to get away from everything so the loud music is not likely to fly with me. Drinkin beer around a camp fire sounds good as well.

Mark I will have my pistol along but it will not likely leave the truck or my tent. Guns and alcohol don't mix. I really camp to get away from everything so the loud music is not likely to fly with me. Drinkin beer around a camp fire sounds good as well.

Ok, cool. I have no issues with guns being along as I am a hunter from Oregon (but likely not hunting again anytime soon). I just remember prior threads of that area above boulder where everyone goes to and shoots off a bunch of rounds. I don't go out to the quiet areas of wilderness to have to deal with all the gunplay, possibly by those not experienced enough or too drunk to handle them.

Wheeling, a campfire, beer and brats (or insert any good steak, beef, chicken or other you'd like here). If we get this cooking so to speak, we can then talk about a night run.

And actually Don, what I am used to is folks showing up Friday afternoon and then going out on a day run after camp is set, then do a fri. night run, then we have all day saturday, and then we could discuss sunday. :beer

so let's keep the discussion going.

So lets plan for the weekend of the 21st to scout this out. That way I can get the car ready for steamboat this weekend.

Chris, yea i got some video somewhere. I'll get it onto the computer and send it your way. And i agree let's wheel.

I believe that would work for me. I'll be able to confirm shortly.

What are your thoughts about the camping discussion? I don't want to wander around looking for a "free" site if it's not legal, can't have a campfire (legally), when you linked us to a place that was reasonable ($14 a site basically and if they aren't going to have a coronary over double parking, then it's $7.)

Ok, cool. I have no issues with guns being along as I am a hunter from Oregon (but likely not hunting again anytime soon). I just remember prior threads of that area above boulder where everyone goes to and shoots off a bunch of rounds. I don't go out to the quiet areas of wilderness to have to deal with all the gunplay, possibly by those not experienced enough or too drunk to handle them.

Wheeling, a campfire, beer and brats (or insert any good steak, beef, chicken or other you'd like here). If we get this cooking so to speak, we can then talk about a night run.

And actually Don, what I am used to is folks showing up Friday afternoon and then going out on a day run after camp is set, then do a fri. night run, then we have all day saturday, and then we could discuss sunday. :beer

so let's keep the discussion going.
if you ever decide that you do want to do a lil deer huntin let me know.

Lots of jeeps there but one mod has an EB and another a scout. They don't put-up with brand bashing.

The trip report section may be of use to know that the trails are passable and not still snowed over.

Funny cause I have seen it over there a lot and I see it a ton more when they are on the trail. Your examples are also of the minority not the majority. That is kind of like saying a mod on FSB has a toyota. It is a very general statement.

I have been on a few trips with folks from Co4x4 last year and had NOTHING but good times and NICE people. Bunch of heeps but still good people. Also went with them to Holy Cross and they were all very nice to the guy with the oversized bronco on the hard stuff.

I hate to see a group get bashed because of the ignoant rants of some armchair wheelers, again the guys I have met for runs have been great.

Well, after looking at a current report or two, it really is likely not bad, considering the trip date is not for another 5-6 weeks.

But guys, I'm ok with a group camp spot if there is something available that is not at a campsite, and is LEGAL. If you want to blast music and shoot guns I'm not into that and there may be others that won't be into that (supposed to be family oriented). You want to drink around a campfire, have a good time, great, but I don't see where guns come into play, at least not this event. Music is fine if kept at a reasonable level.


Sorry, interweb miscommunication, as I was joking about the loud music and gun shootin'. If I shoot its in a safe place, I am sober, away from camp and not disturbing others. A little music is fine but not blasting it out. It's also nice to take in the quiet solitude that getting out in nature brings, stripping down nakid and running through the tall grass flowers with some hot nakid nympho's and hugging a tree. Whoops there I go again!, JK! I'll leave the nakid nymphos at home and bring my lady and or son.

I have been on a few trips with folks from Co4x4 last year and had NOTHING but good times and NICE people. Bunch of heeps but still good people. Also went with them to Holy Cross and they were all very nice to the guy with the oversized bronco on the hard stuff.

I hate to see a group get bashed because of the ignoant rants of some armchair wheelers, again the guys I have met for runs have been great.

There are those know it alls and jerks there, plus a Jeep bias, just cause there are so many Jeepers. It ain't all bad though.


I am a bachen' it June 14th -22nd. So I could be up for a scouting trip as well. I put my lady and son on a big ole jet airliner on the 13th. Doreen is going on an Alaska Cruise with the sister in law and my son is going to visit my folks in AZ.


Hey, this may help, Snow: http://www.nohrsc.nws.gov/interactive/html/map.html?mode=pan&zoom=&center_x=+-105.953&center_y=+++40.091&ql=station&var=snow_depth_shallow&dy=2008&dm=6&dd=3&dh=0&snap=1&o1=1&o4=1&o5=1&o6=1&o11=1&o9=1&o12=1&o13=1&lbl=m&o7=1&min_x=-106.58333333333&min_y=38.750000000001&max_x=-104.70833333333&max_y=40.158333333334&coord_x=+-105.953&coord_y=+++40.091&zbox_n=40.07852777777846&zbox_s=40.07852777777846&zbox_e=-105.94427083333001&zbox_w=-105.94427083333001&metric=0&bgvar=dem&width=600&height=450&nw=600&nh=450&type=0&js=1&uc=0

Trails confirmed open: http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=123809



Is this trip cross posted or should it be over at RMFTC???

Me to 12-15 we should get up somewhere on the 14th or how about Jenny creek on the 21st gota take the wife on that one.

So where is this again? A stock rigg on 31 BFGs will be okay to go?

I have been looking for one of these runs to come to and meet everyone.

Yes if we run kingston/yankee it is stocker friendly.

As far as camping I know of a nice spot thats up there. Im down for some fun on the 21st/22nd. Lemme know what you guys think. Either jenny creek of kingston/yankee.

Yes if we run kingston/yankee it is stocker friendly.

As far as camping I know of a nice spot thats up there. Im down for some fun on the 21st/22nd. Lemme know what you guys think. Either jenny creek of kingston/yankee.

Great! Thank you!

I'll be there if it's kingston/yankee

I have been on a few trips with folks from Co4x4 last year and had NOTHING but good times and NICE people. Bunch of heeps but still good people. Also went with them to Holy Cross and they were all very nice to the guy with the oversized bronco on the hard stuff.

I hate to see a group get bashed because of the ignoant rants of some armchair wheelers, again the guys I have met for runs have been great.
Ya know the guys from there that we had on the Bill Moore run were great I agree. I haven't really wheeled with most of em so as far as that goes I spoke out of turn a bit.

Yes if we run kingston/yankee it is stocker friendly.

As far as camping I know of a nice spot thats up there. Im down for some fun on the 21st/22nd. Lemme know what you guys think. Either jenny creek of kingston/yankee.
I'm down

Ya know the guys from there that we had on the Bill Moore run were great I agree. I haven't really wheeled with most of em so as far as that goes I spoke out of turn a bit.

who all was that?

The ranger?
The jeeps? I guess.
The scout and cherokee?

Everyone was great on that trip

Besides it really is fun to ride with a varied group of vehicles. Some vehicles types are better at certain obstacles than others.

teh only two that I know of that were from there were the wranglers and maybe the scout. Rich in the ranger was from rmftc. I agree that everone was great on that trip.

I am sure of both 1 was Minesjeep the kinda orange one the first time I met him it was still stock at the beginning of the summer.
The Scout had to be related to them somehow.

So where is this again? A stock rigg on 31 BFGs will be okay to go?

I have been looking for one of these runs to come to and meet everyone.


Most everything the group does will have a easier bypass, but you would be real surprised what a well driven stock Bronco will do. I love Shadofax, a beautiful horse he is, and I am sure Mark can get him to go where I can not on 32s but I will always give it a shot and make it many times. There really are not to many trails that are beyond being tried by a stock truck. You just have to know when to catch a ride when it goes beyond what is possible.

I think the scout may have been a guy from rmftc but I am not positive

So we've decided so far we should scout some trails....If the 21st I'll check if I can. Can we decide trails?

Matt stated:

Most everything the group does will have a easier bypass, but you would be real surprised what a well driven stock Bronco will do. I love Shadofax, a beautiful horse he is, and I am sure Mark can get him to go where I can not on 32s but I will always give it a shot and make it many times. There really are not to many trails that are beyond being tried by a stock truck. You just have to know when to catch a ride when it goes beyond what is possible.

Can't remember Matt, I believe you are stock as in no lockers. It's not so much the tires (though an aggressive IROK certainly helps), it's the dual lockers. I will walk up stuff that you will have to throw your rig at if you want to have any chance to make it. We'll have to find a few spots to play on this one. Lockers are the single best upgrade if you have decent ground clearance.

Also, I highlighted your statement "tried" unless you intend to really do bodily harm to your rig, or worse. A bronco is wide, and extreme trails usually end up having severe tight spots that exact severe bodily damage, the wider you are the worse the carnage.

as far as trails I know kingston and yankee area really well. So if we go there im game. maybe even do jenny creek. its short but i hear its a fun one.

So have we figured out when and where yet?

after the tranny went out in the broncoII I may be out for a while gotta save my money for that :cry

Mark, I agree that with lockers all is easier, no arguments from me there. I just get the feeling that people who are stock (Not locked) feel that thier truck will not be good off road. I was not trying to throwdown against Shadofax I know there are many places you can take him that are beyond my reach but I will still go give it a try.

This is about where I threw in the towell on Holy Cross
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/565176/fullsize/holy-cross-9_15_07__24.jpg
And even the locked and loaded needed a winch to get out of the creek.

It was still a great time getting that far and the ride to the top in this pretty orange Bronco was also real nice.

I'd be up for a scouting run/day trip on the 21st. I may get a chance to get out this coming weekend.


Big tires make the rocks smaller!

Mark, I agree that with lockers all is easier, no arguments from me there. I just get the feeling that people who are stock (Not locked) feel that thier truck will not be good off road. I was not trying to throwdown against Shadofax I know there are many places you can take him that are beyond my reach but I will still go give it a try.

This is about where I threw in the towell on Holy Cross
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/565176/fullsize/holy-cross-9_15_07__24.jpg
And even the locked and loaded needed a winch to get out of the creek.

It was still a great time getting that far and the ride to the top in this pretty orange Bronco was also real nice.

Did not read anything you said as trying to throwdown Matt.

I was merely pointing out that you can still go many places with stock open or LSD's, butttt, certain sections of some harder stuff will stop you in your tracks unless you are willing to really throw the rig hard at the obstacle. I've seen people with no regard for their rig go amazing places using momentum. Unfortunately these rigs usually live short lives. That's what's nice about lockers, many obstacles that would stop more stock rigs are a walk when locked at both ends. Easier on the mechanicals really.

Anyway, should we divert attention to this scouting day then? Who (is going), what (trails)? when and where to meet? Let's just set this day for now.:rockon

EDIT: Didn't see what page I was on...

nevermind

EDIT: Didn't see what page I was on...

nevermind


Since you were reading already, wanna join for a day/scouting trip the 21st?:popc1:

I'd really like to, but not ready yet. I've got my engine swap done and running. Gotta do a little work on the hydraulic clutch. Need to finish the front suspension upgrade, have to do everything in the rear (gears, locker, full suspension.) I still hope to get out with the group, it seems like there's always SOMETHING that gets in the way :banghead

That Bronco engine sure looks good in the CJ :chili: This thing is gonna be a beast.

I'd really like to, but not ready yet. I've got my engine swap done and running. Gotta do a little work on the hydraulic clutch. Need to finish the front suspension upgrade, have to do everything in the rear (gears, locker, full suspension.) I still hope to get out with the group, it seems like there's always SOMETHING that gets in the way :banghead

That Bronco engine sure looks good in the CJ :chili: This thing is gonna be a beast.

A CJ5 I believe (was going into king soops and was not really looking) went by...was quite gargly and certainly was a v8 with some form of cam and headers. Was a bright green, so he was not going to be missed.

back in the day I could see that. But today, why don't jeep folks build the reliable 4 banger with a manual? I suppose we have to let gas prices settle in, and then those jeepers that kept their "wimpy" 4's will be gods.

I have a pretty stock bronco that sits on 35's, I will also try my best at anything that we come acrossed. You could probably count me in for a nice wheling trip.

A CJ5 I believe (was going into king soops and was not really looking) went by...was quite gargly and certainly was a v8 with some form of cam and headers. Was a bright green, so he was not going to be missed.

back in the day I could see that. But today, why don't jeep folks build the reliable 4 banger with a manual? I suppose we have to let gas prices settle in, and then those jeepers that kept their "wimpy" 4's will be gods.
After wheeling mine stock with the 232 and three speed for a year, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I think the 232 would have worked incredibly well with the gearing changes I made, it certainly had the torque, but I had the 8, and, well , one thing led to another ;)

The 4 banger in most Jeeps without the F135 was the GM Iron Duke 2.5. It hasn't got enough power to spin bigger tires, even with gears. Personally, I think it's just out of it's element.

I'm gonna keep watching for these trips. June is going to be too quick, but July might be doable. Have to see if I can get enough time in the garage to finish up (yeah, it's been frustrating only getting a day or two a week to work :madder

So the 21st?

Who is in?

Where does everyone want to meet, let's settle this and go have some fun.

A good day trip for all would be kingston peak. Run it from the apex/central city side over to st mary's. the go down fall river road a mile or so then back up n over yankee hill. which will drop you back to the starting point. I know my way around up there really well.



I be in. How's Zoso's idea sound? Sounds good to me! Unless we get only built rigs for the scouting trip, then we may want to try Spring Creek, but would it really be a scouting trip then?

Zoso, think we could scout a camping spot for the July trip and have time to run Spring Creek? Hell maybe we don't need to scout as Zoso claims to know th area well. Let's hit Spring Creek!

I be in. How's Zoso's idea sound? Sounds good to me! Unless we get only built rigs for the scouting trip, then we may want to try Spring Creek, but would it really be a scouting trip then?

Zoso, think we could scout a camping spot for the July trip and have time to run Spring Creek? Hell maybe we don't need to scout as Zoso claims to know th area well. Let's hit Spring Creek!

Ok so Sat. the 21st we have 2 (Chris and Mark) for sures.

Zoso, you a go then as well?
Matt, I believe this was good for you?
Don, are the tranny issues with the Bii going to prevent you?

Blown03HD, The Dude, 96blkbeauty, Anyone else a yes, everone is more than welcome?

Larry I'll assume you can't at this point.

For stock rigs, this is open. We will do Kinston Peak if there are stock rigs. Would not switch plans on folks and leave them with a decision on harder trails.

Isn't kingston fairly long as well?

Also Chris/Matt as we nail this down, can one of you post up at that colorado 4x4 site? not that I want a ton of other vehicles, but those guys that went with us to Bill Moore were certainly good company.

I'd like to nail this all down during this weekend so we can move on to meeting spot and time.:beer:chili::drinkbud:rockon

Sounds like a good time but my wife will be out of town that weekend so i will have the kids.Maybe throw them in and wheel!!!:doh0715:

I will be getting my work schedule on Saturday for that weekend. I will let everyone know if I am in on Saturday night. Not sure if I will be able to run any trails in my truck or not right now. My tires are getting pretty bald, and I am holding off on getting new ones until I (hopefully) get my lift ordered and on. But I have two friends, one in a 99 Dodge Ram 1500 on 33's and another with an older Scout (72 I think), stock on 31's, who might be down to go.

I will be out unfortunately I pick a tranny up in colorado springs that friday and I just got my stuff in the mail that my retraining for the hunter outreach program I volunteer for is that weekend.

I am set for something?

How about RMFTC.com are you signed-up over there yet Mark?

How about RMFTC.com are you signed-up over there yet Mark?

I am not signed up.

what an outstanding day yesterday was. And today looks to be a repeat.

Got all my stuff ordered from Ryan (fireguy), and bought this guy the other day, and just went to Home depot for lighter fluid, charcoal and misquite chunks. King soops has baby backs on sale for only 2.99, so this AM I better wander over and git me some:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/643945/fullsize/114_1500.jpg

Maybe wander over to Colorado Coal company later for some beers if anyone's interested.:beer:rockon:chili:


So we have like 3-4 of us going at this point, and a maybe???

Count me in as of now. The only thing I am somewhat hesitant on is the cost of gas to get down from Greeley, plus trail riding all day, plus driving back up to Greeley. It will be around 3/4 of a tank probably, which is about 90-100 bucks. I have the money, but have been really strict on myself lately about pinching pennies for my lift. But, this sounds too fun to pass up.

Also, for anyone who is interested, some guys from Ranger-forums.com are having a meet and greet at bandimere speedway on Friday the 20th. Anyone is welcome to join us. I figure one trip down to Denver and two meet and greets is too good of a deal to pass up.

http://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2/showthread.php?t=65997

ok, so we have:

96blkbeauty
swat
wileec
myself
and Zoso?

And where do we want to meet guys, and what time? Someone who has been to Kingston please chime in here, lets lock this one down. :chili::beer

I will be getting my work schedule on Saturday for that weekend. I will let everyone know if I am in on Saturday night. Not sure if I will be able to run any trails in my truck or not right now. My tires are getting pretty bald, and I am holding off on getting new ones until I (hopefully) get my lift ordered and on. But I have two friends, one in a 99 Dodge Ram 1500 on 33's and another with an older Scout (72 I think), stock on 31's, who might be down to go.


What do you thnk about jumping in with one of us? Or are your buddies built enough for Spring Creek" I beleive those that have committed are built enough for it. What do you guy think about doing Spring Creek? It is rated a 6-8 so must have bypasses. http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=36

What do you thnk about jumping in with one of us? Or are your buddies built enough for Spring Creek" I beleive those that have committed are built enough for it. What do you guy think about doing Spring Creek? It is rated a 6-8 so must have bypasses. http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=36


Yeah, I definitely don't have a problem with that. Like I said, I am not sure if I want to wheel mine because of the tires. The lack of tread will only create more of an opportunity to damage my truck on an obstacle.

Yeah, I definitely don't have a problem with that. Like I said, I am not sure if I want to wheel mine because of the tires. The lack of tread will only create more of an opportunity to damage my truck on an obstacle.


If there is no objection and Zoso knows Kinston for the July trip. I hope we can do Spring Creek?:thumbup We could make it a loop by coming back down Saxon Mtn. to I70. Saxon Mtn is only rated at a 2. We may find some nice camping up here for the future run in July. One group could come up Spring Creek the other Saxon Mtn, kinda meet in the middle. There are several other trails nereby for a weekend of exploration. Here's a recent trip report with pics: http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=125551

At the top:
When you get to the top you'll find the large meadow with a gorgeous view. Turn right to go down Saxon Mountain to Georgetown (moderate trail) or turn left to visit a network of trails including Cascade Creek (moderate), Ute Creek (easy), Spring Gulch (easy), and Trail Creek (easy). See the map and additional trail information on this site for details about these trails and roads.


What say ye all?

Meet at the Starbucks next to the gas station at Downieville, exit 234 off of I-70?

I'm definitely out for this one. :cry

Well I just got back into town. And i will say this. there is a lot of snow up there still. Infact it was snowing in steamboat(6200') wednesday. So im almost certain the yankee and kingston are still snowed in. they were this time last year. It may just be one of those things that you go and hope its all clear.


As for spring creek. Im down for that. I've never been on it and have always wanted to try it.

Well I just got back into town. And i will say this. there is a lot of snow up there still. Infact it was snowing in steamboat(6200') wednesday. So im almost certain the yankee and kingston are still snowed in. they were this time last year. It may just be one of those things that you go and hope its all clear.


As for spring creek. Im down for that. I've never been on it and have always wanted to try it.

It is passable as it is at lower altitude. There's camping-up there for the July run and several easier trails for stockers. It all sounds good.

Sounds like a good time but my wife will be out of town that weekend so i will have the kids.Maybe throw them in and wheel!!!:doh0715:

Well?

Looks like we will be up for Spring Creek. On Saturday at 10 at Starbucks.
Realy wanted to try Jenny Creek this week but it soounds snowed in still as does kingston.

its not the altitude. It's all the trees that keep the snow around. I'll jump on the ol' dirtbike and make a trip to see just how bad it is.

Well?

Looks like we will be up for Spring Creek. On Saturday at 10 at Starbucks.
Realy wanted to try Jenny Creek this week but it soounds snowed in still as does kingston.

I probably jumped the gun a bit, seeings it's only Monday. I don't want anybody that wants to go get left out. There are several other trails that intersect Spring Creek though and it sounds like a nice ride. My vote......... Unlike GW, I'm not the decider.





its not the altitude. It's all the trees that keep the snow around. I'll jump on the ol' dirtbike and make a trip to see just how bad it is.

Very cool:thumbup

There is more snow at altitude in the trees than at a lower altitude. I thought I'd give the snow maps a look and I got topo's to get the direction of the slopes. Can't forget drifts and slides for where the deep snow lies too.

Saxon is many switchbacks with a northwest facing slope. Steep, hance all the switchbacks. Two mines along the way may mean it is open.

Count me in as of now. The only thing I am somewhat hesitant on is the cost of gas to get down from Greeley, plus trail riding all day, plus driving back up to Greeley. It will be around 3/4 of a tank probably, which is about 90-100 bucks. I have the money, but have been really strict on myself lately about pinching pennies for my lift. But, this sounds too fun to pass up.

Also, for anyone who is interested, some guys from Ranger-forums.com are having a meet and greet at bandimere speedway on Friday the 20th. Anyone is welcome to join us. I figure one trip down to Denver and two meet and greets is too good of a deal to pass up.

http://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2/showthread.php?t=65997



I'll be at bandimere on friday as well. I'll be racin my dads car this friday. Ya cant miss it. a legend lime 06 mustang gt with a arbon fiber hood.

I may head out there friday I dunno I was really gonna come out to see the cobra but now...................

I'll be at bandimere on friday as well. I'll be racin my dads car this friday. Ya cant miss it. a legend lime 06 mustang gt with a arbon fiber hood.

Cool bud, I will look for it.

I may head out there friday I dunno I was really gonna come out to see the cobra but now...................

Well, let me know if you head down. I will meet up with you and grab a beer.

I may head out there friday I dunno I was really gonna come out to see the cobra but now...................


Yea the cobra is out this race. I'll be there runnin it on the 29th for ford fest.

ok, so we have:

96blkbeauty
swat
wileec
myself
and Zoso?

And where do we want to meet guys, and what time? Someone who has been to Kingston please chime in here, lets lock this one down. :chili::beer

Whaaaatz UuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuPPP?

Yea the cobra is out this race. I'll be there runnin it on the 29th for ford fest.

Whoooooaaaah Nelly! I gots to be at Ferds best or whatever. Selling my cherry, 89, convertable, Stang GT.

But who the hell is wheeling the 21st?

If I can find a shim/wedge, whatever the damn thing is called otherwise I am up on jackstands in the garage.

let me know what parts you need maybe friday when I get back we can go down to one of my parts trucks and pull

If I can find a shim/wedge, whatever the damn thing is called otherwise I am up on jackstands in the garage.

What are you needing?:popc1:

What are you needing?:popc1:

The angled shim that is between the leaf pack and the axle.

The angled shim that is between the leaf pack and the axle.

I believe I have 1, but not a pair. You can have it. I kept it I think to refer back to it if I ever was wondering what the stock shim angle was. It needs a bit of cleaning but is in good shape once cleaned up. I'll go verify I have it and you can swing by after work if you'd like Matt, I don't need it.

Jenny creek has got to be running high and is still snowed-in. From CO4X4: Went up on Father's Day. Packed snow drifts still at least 6ft. This picture was taken about 100 yards down the start of the trail. Too off camber to try and go over, so we thought we'd drive up to the lake from the main road. No such luck either. We were the first to make it though one section about 75 yards long of 5 ft packed snow. And then we got around 1/4 mile up the road and there was several hundred more yards of off camber deep snow.

I don't see Kingston on the list of open trails at CO4X4. It is higher in altitude than Spring Creek and flatter allowing snow to drift in and settle.

Lets hit Spring Creek and come back down Saxon! I know both of those are open as there are trip reports on CO4X4. I cross posted this to CO4X4's staging subforum. I'd like to see at least 5 rigs for a good run. I'll be at the Starbucks next to the gas station at Downieville, exit 234 off of I-70.

Spring Creek: http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=36
Saxon Mtn.: http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=125

TOPO of trails: http://www.traildamage.com/trails/saxon_mountain/maps/map_large_with_spurs.gif

The angled shim that is between the leaf pack and the axle.
If mark doesn't have it I know I have a few but they are still attached

I do have a wedgie, so if ya want it Matt stop on by. I'm done working at this point. like you I normally am done by 3ish or so since I start at 6:30am.

I also have a few sets of non stock ones. I believe 4deg or so.

All is good, Matt came by and I gave him a wedgie.

So Chris, so you don't get more nervous about peeps bailing, I know Matt and myself are surely planning on being at Starbucks at 10AM (I'd like to be there a bit early, give folks about 15-20mins, and then head out before 10:30) I think it was. We'll do a check in here Friday to check on who's going. :thumbup

Feel free to post up on other boards, but let's try for a small group. I could care less what brand rig is going, but I don't really want 10+ rigs showing up. If the trail is a bit more challenging it takes all day to get larger groups through. 3-7 rigs would be great, and I think we've got 4 here already.

Also don't know how busy the trail will be with other rigs?

I looked at that link posted for this trail and it looks like there was a fathers day run just a week ago, and the trail looked real nice...not much water, dusty, didn't really see any snow pics.

A regular bronc owner here. Just jompin' at the bit to get out. 10:30 means we will follow. Fine wit me, I may run it early and come back down for ya.

A regular bronc owner here. Just jompin' at the bit to get out. 10:30 means we will follow. Fine wit me, I may run it early and come back down for ya.


:shrug Not sure what that means...other groups will have already departed?

I'd be up there a little earlier but that is the meeting time suggested I thought. I'd like to meet at 9:30 and leave no later than 10, but whatever is decided is ok

You'd have to be up there aweful early to run it and come back down to meet us. that's about 11 miles of total trail including the easy part down to Georgtown.

:shrug Not sure what that means...other groups will have already departed?

I'd be up there a little earlier but that is the meeting time suggested I thought. I'd like to meet at 9:30 and leave no later than 10, but whatever is decided is ok

You'd have to be up there aweful early to run it and come back down to meet us. that's about 11 miles of total trail including the easy part down to Georgtown.


Ahhh, "Just a regular Bronc owner" = one of the group I'm not the decider. I beleive there will be others up there, maybe another group. I would go earlier but appreciate the company and look forward to meeting you and checking your rig out in person. 9:30 is fine and we leave by 10. I updated my post at CO4X4. I had posted 9:00 but hell, it's all your fault, you started this! Thanks for doing so. I am glad we are meetin' up sooner than July. We should do that trip too. Kingston and Jenny should be clear by then and get great reviews for scenery.

Looks like we picked-up Hunter over there. He made Carnage Boulder and tried to get us out to CORE. Good guy, damned if I can remember his name now? I don't think he posts here, but does over there and RMFTC.

I like the earlier time also Spring creek seems to be like Carnage Boulder always to many people on the trail. Meet at 9:30 sound good from here.
Mark if we meet up by 8:15 or so that would work out well.

Just lemme know what time you guys want to meet. The trail is close to Denver so I'm sure it coud get a little busy. I can always update my invite on CO4X4 and RMFTC.:thumbup

We got

Zoso
Matt
Mark
Swat.
Hunter (His name is Ted) Big old Ferd longbed with a 508!

Who else?

96blkbeauty

I like the earlier time also Spring creek seems to be like Carnage Boulder always to many people on the trail. Meet at 9:30 sound good from here.
Mark if we meet up by 8:15 or so that would work out well.

ok. Name a spot on the way over to I25 where we can meet and we'll go up together.

I live rigt off of Hwy and Lowell.We can meet just north of Hwy 7 on Bonanza/Lowell.

I live rigt off of Hwy and Lowell.We can meet just north of Hwy 7 on Bonanza/Lowell.

ok, you want me to turn left onto Bonanza then, and you'll be somewhere right near the stoplight? As I recall Lowell is the street name on the south side of 7? We'll meet at 8:15?

Bingo!:thumbup

Sorry guys I'm out. I dont have Saturday's off until the beginning of July. Starting July I have Sat. Sun. and Mon off until the end of September. So I'll be good for the next trip.

well i decided that i will make this one. was real hesitant with some of the problems im having with the tuning issues on my car. I'll be up bright and early after a night of racing to get my sliders put back on the bronco. I hope to make it in time to meet with ya mark off hwy 7 and lowell. I'll be off 136th and lowell. PM me your number and call me if im not there to meet up with you guys.

Be careful on the first obstacle on Spring Creek. My buddy Cassidy went up it too fast & this the result (http://youtube.com/watch?v=TNeWnj2gTDM&feature=user). If you've never ran it before, pics can be deceiving. It's a steep climb & off camber with holes that can send you where you don't wanna go. Go slow & all will be good :thumbup

I love that trail. I wish I could go with you guys. Too bad I'm scheduled to work this Saturday. Here's a few pics of some of the obstacles. Have fun, keep it safe, & take lots pics.

The first obstacle

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Warrlord/Wheeling/sp03.jpg

On the climb to the rock garden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Warrlord/Wheeling/sp22.jpg

The rock garden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Warrlord/Wheeling/sc3.jpg

Ted, username Hunter, and I will meet-up at the gas station on the north corner of Bowles and 470 at 8:30. You can't miss the Carcass and Ted's big oled F250. we should be at the Starbucks at little before 9:30.:thumbup

I reviewed the vids on traildamage. There are some good obstacles on this trail! There are also easier lines thus the 6 -8 trail rating.

I am looking forward to it!:rockon

well i decided that i will make this one. was real hesitant with some of the problems im having with the tuning issues on my car. I'll be up bright and early after a night of racing to get my sliders put back on the bronco. I hope to make it in time to meet with ya mark off hwy 7 and lowell. I'll be off 136th and lowell. PM me your number and call me if im not there to meet up with you guys.

Zoso,
If we give you our number how do we call you:shrug PM sent
Matt

Looks like 5 rigs so far!

Be careful on the first obstacle on Spring Creek. My buddy Cassidy went up it too fast & this the result (http://youtube.com/watch?v=TNeWnj2gTDM&feature=user). If you've never ran it before, pics can be deceiving. It's a steep climb & off camber with holes that can send you where you don't wanna go. Go slow & all will be good :thumbup

I love that trail. I wish I could go with you guys. Too bad I'm scheduled to work this Saturday. Here's a few pics of some of the obstacles. Have fun, keep it safe, & take lots pics.

The first obstacle

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Warrlord/Wheeling/sp03.jpg

On the climb to the rock garden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Warrlord/Wheeling/sp22.jpg

The rock garden

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/Warrlord/Wheeling/sc3.jpg

Warrlord, what was with all the speed in the vid of your friend? You're locked front/rear, I'd think I should be able to crawl up that rock for the most part (assuming no rain).

Warlord, WTF, My wife was standing here when I ran that vid. Now gota try to convince her wheeling is OK again.

NA,just funning but she did question my judgement after seeing that.

5 sounds like a great number enough to have fun and not to many to take all day.

Sorry I haven't responded in awhile guys...but it looks like I am out too. I have some other stuff going on Saturday that came up last minute. But I will be there for the next M&G. Hopefully with my leveling coils and 33's.

Kinda funny Warrlord, I went to high school with Cassidy. But I think I told you about that up at Bill Moore.

Have fun guys, and keep your rigs on their feet.

Warlord, WTF, My wife was standing here when I ran that vid. Now gota try to convince her wheeling is OK again.

NA,just funning but she did question my judgement after seeing that.
5 sounds like a great number enough to have fun and not to many to take all day.

Well, it's the fun factor as long as nothing real bad happens. but ya gotta admit she's likely right....

we intentionally go on trails where one second of poor judgement can mean your rig, your life or the lives of others.

And these days it costs us an arm and leg for the opportunity. Can't beat the scenary though.:chili:

well i decided that i will make this one. was real hesitant with some of the problems im having with the tuning issues on my car. I'll be up bright and early after a night of racing to get my sliders put back on the bronco. I hope to make it in time to meet with ya mark off hwy 7 and lowell. I'll be off 136th and lowell. PM me your number and call me if im not there to meet up with you guys.

see ya tomorrow. I assume you and Matt have exchanged numbers from his post.

Put that stang away now tonight, so you will be awake to bring the bronco out tomorrow.

Im in for sure in the morning. just gotta get up and get the other slider on the bronco and i'll be set.

I was at the starpukes at 10:05.....was i too late? damm it!!!:cry

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! you musta been just behind us. I dont think we left till like 10. i was runnin behind. But you missed a great time had by all. a few little problems but nothin major. I didn't get any pics but i know matt, chris and mark did.

Warrlord, what was with all the speed in the vid of your friend? You're locked front/rear, I'd think I should be able to crawl up that rock for the most part (assuming no rain).

Yeah, it's not a tough obstacle, it can get ya a little off camber though. I have no idea why he was driving up it that fast? Personally, I go by, "As slow as possible, as fast as necessary". I seem to keep my rig on its feet that way (well, sometimes) & don't break as much stuff as some guys do.


Warlord, WTF, My wife was standing here when I ran that vid. Now gota try to convince her wheeling is OK again.

(he he) I showed my wife that vid the next day & she about had a panic attack :histerica

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! you musta been just behind us. I dont think we left till like 10. i was runnin behind. But you missed a great time had by all. a few little problems but nothin major. I didn't get any pics but i know matt, chris and mark did.


We moved the time up to 9:30 as mentioned above. We really didn't chit around at the starbucks. airdown, folks got gas that needed it and we took off. As I recall we actually left there around 9:45 and were headed up the trail at 10.

You would have had a great time AurorabUSA . For some reason we never were on the large rock obstacle but were certainly on the trail since we did do the rock garden. Pics don't really do that section justice. The bypasses aren't much, and that section is certainly at the "8" end of the scale for large rocks/boulders. fun, but not easy.

I have pics as do others but have to load them first.

Pretty much all carnage there was (not much really) was at the rock garden:

Matt, after the rock garden tore a tire inflation plug. Very nicely reshaped his stock Tcase skid. Little rock rash on the rims. Folks with TTB take heart, you would not believe what Matt got his rig through today, 32's open/open.

Zoso put a slight bend in his tie rod.

Ted in his old F100 with 40's finally killed his steering stabilizers on the rocks.

Chirs (Swat) nothing really, just the skid plate on the front hi9 took a few whacks, no damage.

I think we all drug an axle here and there. I hit my tie rod and the front passenger side tube pretty good, no damage though except to repaint. And the ruffstuff front cover and rear D60 cover are beat a bit at the bottom. I did kinda munch my Milemarker passenger side dial (nylon) dial, but it still works.

I'll try and get pics up by tomorrow. I think Matt may have taken a few vids as well.


Warrlord, would like to find out from you how we could have missed that rock climb where your friend rolled? I would like to go back up there again and do that obstacle.

Anyway, I do the same thing...not in any hurry and try to keep it slow with little right foot. That rock garden though, there a some spots where you just have to get a little more agressive to get over some of the stuff, and then of course back down again since you can't see a darn thing over the huge hood of a bronco.

Oh yea, almost forgot, Rock sliders saw lots of action today. I know Zoso and myself put them to real good use a couple times each, not a scratch on the body.

Yea i beat on the sliders pretty good. Glad i was up at 6 puttin em back on this morning. Was a great time. So whens the next one? :)

Just a few pics tonight:

In attendence were:

Matt (Wileec)
Zoso (Rob)
Swat (Chris)
Ted
Myself

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645737/fullsize/115_1501.jpg
Swat was leading much of the day. you can just see Zoso and then Matt was in front of me, with Ted taking up the rear. This was a long stretch of rocky trail as we headed up from the starbucks.

Matt conquering the first obstacle we ran up to. The shelf trails up to this really bothers me. Long way down.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645738/fullsize/115_1503.jpg

Rob working the toughest switchback we encountered during the day:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645740/fullsize/115_1506.jpg

Chris on one of the obstacles in the rock garden:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645741/fullsize/115_1507.jpg

Ted on the same obstacle:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645744/fullsize/115_1522.jpg

It was a bit dusty today, but what a good trail and a fantastic day to be up there. Great group.

Great run, good guys, Where are we going next?

The few pics I took:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645914/fullsize/dscn3286.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645915/fullsize/dscn3287.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645916/fullsize/dscn3288.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645917/fullsize/dscn3289.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645922/fullsize/dscn3297.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645958/fullsize/spring-creek-rock-garden.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645918/fullsize/dscn3293.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/645920/fullsize/dscn3295.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/646352/fullsize/spring_creek09.jpg

Warrlord, would like to find out from you how we could have missed that rock climb where your friend rolled? I would like to go back up there again and do that obstacle.


After you've started up the trail from the paved road, if you stay left, it takes you to that first obstacle. If you take the trail to the right, that's a bypass & you end up about 50 yards above it.

You are so right, pics don't do the rock garden any justice.

That first obstacle gets harder every year and this year is no easier!!!

Aurora, sorry we missed you.

Here we go with some pics. Sorry Mark no vid from this one. Damn I hope the links from Gogle work this time.

The water is for the truck-
http://lh3.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7TMILwZ6I/AAAAAAAABu0/GGG3GqJii6Y/s800/Spring%20Creek05.JPG"

mark being cool
http://lh4.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7TG1QGzqI/AAAAAAAABuc/gVgbqbpv4Fc/s400/Spring%20Creek02.JPG

Letting them cool off while enjoying the view
http://lh4.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7TQdM89rI/AAAAAAAABvM/XtddNFOx95E/s800/Spring%20Creek08.JPG

Mark geting a little twisty
http://lh4.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7TaK7RhOI/AAAAAAAABwI/joBwal9ORds/s800/Spring%20Creek37.JPG

My TTB working all it can
http://lh5.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7TvB0SyII/AAAAAAAABx8/um6L9Pkg-KU/s800/Spring%20Creek44.JPG

A couple of the Carcus doin its' thing
http://lh5.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7T3V5d2EI/AAAAAAAAByk/ghvxlGotseE/s800/Spring%20Creek24.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7T46XSMkI/AAAAAAAABys/webDTulkyqA/s800/Spring%20Creek25.JPG

Even Shadofax has to back up sometimes
http://lh3.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7UDSR318I/AAAAAAAABzU/v_XLlasMV3s/s800/Spring%20Creek28.JPG

Rob testing the intrety of his sliders
http://lh5.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7UJEGSKRI/AAAAAAAABz4/ckaNoDwd9qw/s800/Spring%20Creek36.JPG

And you all said I through to much dirt
http://lh6.ggpht.com/wileec2/SF7UL_IcNGI/AAAAAAAAB0I/ib6uKeLPu64/s800/Spring%20Creek33.JPG

more here (http://picasaweb.google.com/wileec2/SpringCreek)