OK so I figured it would be easier to sort out wit a new thread.

Meeting at the filling station at the roundabout in Nederland at 9:30 Sunday 9/7. Do not worry if you are unclear about the whereabouts of this station it is very obvious when you get there. (hopefully there will be a bunch of Broncos there;))

This is a medium trail but should be good for all. Jenny Creek (http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=17)

I think my son and I are going to bring up mountain bikes and ride the trail back if there is any interest for other passengers to do this I think it would be a kick.

I think we had positive or semi positive maybes from
Shadofax - YES
Larston - No
foxfire? - maybe
Bronc 17113 - No
Zoso
Aurorabusa
co84rc (our Dodge friend) - YES
Hefty (42K SD:thumbup) - YES
coloranger - YES

You know looking over the trail damage pics I just may bring to truck out. It doesn't look too narrow at any point. I'll probably be the weakest link but we'll find out. I think my only issues will be my long wheelbase and my rediculously high gearing. Whats low-gearing anyway LOL. Just never got around to a gear change when I lifed the truck. I'm still running the stock 3.73's WAY TOO HIGH, but I get better mpg on the highway. Around 12mpg out of a v10 LOL

Anyone been on this trail recently? What is the story with this: "The first challenge is a very narrow, wooden bridge that you must cross. There is no room to turn around, and backing up would take awhile. The bridge would be extremely challenging for a very wide vehicle, though all vehicles should approach this bridge with caution."

That's the only issue I'd see with your big SD Hefty.

Looked at the pics on Trail damage and it looks like the "bridge" is an old wood bridge that is no longer even a bridge. It looks like there is a definate bypass through the stream but my SD isn't any wider than a bronco it's just alot longer. I think that for the melt season it probably is the only way through but the stream should be low this part of the year.
http://www.traildamage.com/trails/jenny_creek/030920/the_bridge.jpg
"THE BRIDGE"

Could lose a running board here though? LOL Never liked the things anyway, Just a necessary evil

http://www.traildamage.com/trails/jenny_creek/030920/amir_at_the_bridge_part_1.jpg

Looked at the pics on Trail damage and it looks like the "bridge" is an old wood bridge that is no longer even a bridge. It looks like there is a definate bypass through the stream but my SD isn't any wider than a bronco it's just alot longer. I think that for the melt season it probably is the only way through but the stream should be low this part of the year.
http://www.traildamage.com/trails/jenny_creek/030920/the_bridge.jpg
"THE BRIDGE"

I did see that pile of wood, thought it was funny they were actually calling that a bridge.


Anyway, just to confirm Matt, I am TOTALLY in. no bike though dude. would be hard to drive and bike at the same time.

still planning on it!

I think i will be there. I will also be in a SD (unless the wife lets me bring the Cherokee)... Bronco is still in "rework"

I think i will be there. I will also be in a SD (unless the wife lets me bring the Cherokee)... Bronco is still in "rework"


Yea!! See Hefty, I've seen this SD in action on Bill Moore trail, no prob.


Looking forward to seeing the "chop top dodge" too, very cool.

Sweet, I've been wanting to meet Doug anyway to talk about his dual fuel kit. Not to mention that I need to get back out on the trails anyway. I get tired of being the only fullsize when we go out (too many jeeps). My wife is worried that I'm going to hurt the SD and then want a new one. Guess we'll just have to see cause we'll be there. Does anybody else thats planning on coming have kids?

Doug, How is your SD set up?

If i'm back in town i'll be thier and yes I have kids that will most likly be with me.
P.S. i'll let you all know later this week when I get my runs figured out.

Could lose a running board here though? LOL Never liked the things anyway, Just a necessary evil

http://www.traildamage.com/trails/jenny_creek/030920/amir_at_the_bridge_part_1.jpg

I do not think that rock will touch you on 35s.

I did see that pile of wood, thought it was funny they were actually calling that a bridge.


Anyway, just to confirm Matt, I am TOTALLY in. no bike though dude. would be hard to drive and bike at the same time.

That is why you have to get the wife to come along so she can drive sometimes;) My daughter is chomping on the bit to start driving. need to get around to that.

Does anybody else thats planning on coming have kids?

My kids get miffed if I do not bring them.

Mark, It looks like we might be the ONLY Broncos on the Bronco run:cry

I'm out dad is in town that weekend spur of the momentr thing.
Doug if u ned a hand on the 79 let me know I have ben ending up in the springs a lot lately.

I'm out dad is in town that weekend spur of the momentr thing.
Doug if u ned a hand on the 79 let me know I have ben ending up in the springs a lot lately.

That is cool Don, family is ALWAYS first.

Looked at the pics on Trail damage and it looks like the "bridge" is an old wood bridge that is no longer even a bridge. It looks like there is a definate bypass through the stream but my SD isn't any wider than a bronco it's just alot longer. I think that for the melt season it probably is the only way through but the stream should be low this part of the year.
http://www.traildamage.com/trails/jenny_creek/030920/the_bridge.jpg
"THE BRIDGE"
Nope, that's not the narrow bridge. Shortly after you get off the main Rollins Pass road, there is a bridge that goes over a bit of a gully. My FSB on 36" TSL's hung over about an inch on both sides going over the first bridge. Don't know why no one ever posts pictures of the first bridge, but it's definitely the high pucker obstacle on this trail for full width vehicles and newbie drivers.

Looks like I'm out for this trip :banghead :banghead :banghead I needed to get a couple parts for another quick shakedown this weekend and they didn't get shipped in time. I've about got the CJ done, it's down to the niggling little things now.

that makes a lot more sense. As long as the timbers are in decent shape and thick it should be fine. We had one like this at Broncofest in Wenatchee WA... that one went over a bog area, but was aweful thin, and had a 30* turn !!! Just have to spot each fullsize going over carefully, and slowly.

On the other end, anyone know status on that snowbank? just wondering if our group would make that or if we have to turn around and come back out the same way?

I was wondering about that when I read back through the description. I still don't think I'm any wider that a FSB

Hefty - my SD is just stock w/35's. Nothing extra for offroading. I don't think we will have an issue. The pics of the narrow bridge i saw look like a straight shot on and off.

that makes a lot more sense. As long as the timbers are in decent shape and thick it should be fine. We had one like this at Broncofest in Wenatchee WA... that one went over a bog area, but was aweful thin, and had a 30* turn !!! Just have to spot each fullsize going over carefully, and slowly.

On the other end, anyone know status on that snowbank? just wondering if our group would make that or if we have to turn around and come back out the same way?

Snow bank is long gone, there have been many jeep trips up this year. As for the bridge I do not remember it specifically but I have driven the road in my Bronco so we should be OK there. I doubt it has gotten narrower, I hope.

I ordered the chains for my SD today I'm ready for a snow run. LOL

i've got the winch so we can try it

Wow, what a great weekend this is shaping up to be:

Going to be cold Friday, BUT, getting real nice again for Sunday, mid 70's.:thumbup

Saturday night is the Nascar race, so I don't miss that.:toothless:beer:chili:
Sunday is wheeling with what looks to be nice weather.:rockon
Monday I took off for the heck of it, and that is also opening Monday night football where my very ???? Raiders take on the Donkies in Oakland. What fun!!!!!!!!!!:goodfinge:histerica:chili::beer:beer

Plus I have a bunch of brats left over from labor day!!!!:duh:chili::chili::chili:

looking forward to it!

My brother said that he might come up with his wife. They drive a Toy Taco (toyota tacoma) so everyone has to give him a really hard time. Of course he is probably the only one of us who won't have to worry too much about falling off the bridge. LOL

Put new tires on the truck today so I'll get to test em out. The old BFG AT's were basically bald after only 26k miles so I went with the new BFG MT KM2's. Probably only get 15k out of these? They look good, drove from C/S to frisco tonight on em and so far I'm impressed with their road manners. Pricey suckers though $283.00 each ouch!!!

Look forward to Sunday morning. Must be early Mark, I read brats (spoiled kids) I was wondering where you got some of them.:brownbag and why we are dancing about it. Finaly figured that we were talking Johnsonville:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup

My brother said that he might come up with his wife. They drive a Toy Taco (toyota tacoma) so everyone has to give him a really hard time. Of course he is probably the only one of us who won't have to worry too much about falling off the bridge. LOL

Put new tires on the truck today so I'll get to test em out. The old BFG AT's were basically bald after only 26k miles so I went with the new BFG MT KM2's. Probably only get 15k out of these? They look good, drove from C/S to frisco tonight on em and so far I'm impressed with their road manners. Pricey suckers though $283.00 each ouch!!!

That's one of the reasons why I stuck with the 15" rims on the bronco, though it's hard finding 8 lug rims in this size (I'd guess the SD is a 16 or 17"?). With my 37" Iroks I'm hoping the next set will set me back about $260 or so each (current set bought 3 yrs ago was $220 ea).

Craigs list for my bronco. One trail run 38x12.5 r 15 on new rock crawler rims for $550 with the right lug pattern and everything. I had to drive 2 hours to get them but what the hell for that price I would of driven 4hrs. Discount tire worked a pretty good deal with me on the tires with prorating the old bfg's, gave me $127 a tire back because the At's wore out so fast. That helped alot and is the only reason I went with it.

yep, Discount/America's is where I went, and plan to go next round.

Wow, mild trail for all the more stock trucks and no takers again?

Matt, I'm going to look up Jenny again, but as I understand it there is a forest service road out of the nederland area, and then a long (9 mile) super easy trail to get to the start of Jenny. Jenny is fairly short at 4-5 miles, so at the top will there be plenty of time for a nice lunch and hanging for awhile before heading back?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLpBCbJEQgw&feature=related
Anybody see this. The guy starts off by smoking a pipe and half way throug is drinking a beer. Only in a Jeep!!

what's funny about youtube is the "music" going along with these videos. fawking annoying worst damn crap I've ever heard.

Lunch and hanging around at the lake should be good. I have not seen trips on other boards for Sunday up there. It is allways nice not to have a monster run.

Lunch and hanging around at the lake should be good. I have not seen trips on other boards for Sunday up there. It is allways nice not to have a monster run.


very good. too bad more people can't make it, this will be a killer fun and easy/nice 4 wheel run with lots of pics (I'm bringing the camera).

lunchtime I plan on having some pre-cooked brats. and I'm bringing the relax-fold chair.:duh

The kids and I will be thier. yipee I made it back in time. I'm going to have a cooler full of stuff incase some one forget ther food. Look foword to meeting all of you.

My brother Nathan and his wife are driving up to frisco tonight and then we'll all be there in the morning. Remember we all got to give him a hard time for driving a Taco. In fact it's not even his, it's his wifes truck. Looking forward to meeting everyone.

The kids and I will be thier. yipee I made it back in time. I'm going to have a cooler full of stuff incase some one forget ther food. Look foword to meeting all of you.

Sounds good.


Matt, do you want me to meet you at the top of the hill like the last time? Say 8:30 and we can drive up to Nerderland together?

Mark - I was thinking trying to leave here at 8:15 just to be sure to be in Nederland on time, it is a 60 min. drive IF there is no traffic in the canyon. I am off to work I will try and check when I roll in at 3:00. But otherwise meeting sounds like a good idea.


BTW- for everyone else the CB will be on chanel 14 if you have one. If you need help as you approch Nederland. There are useally a few groups meeting up there, but never many Broncos.

wileec,
could you call me in the morning when you get there. I should already be there but just in case i'm still on my way. I'll P.M. my phone #

Mark - I was thinking trying to leave here at 8:15 just to be sure to be in Nederland on time, it is a 60 min. drive IF there is no traffic in the canyon. I am off to work I will try and check when I roll in at 3:00. But otherwise meeting sounds like a good idea.


BTW- for everyone else the CB will be on chanel 14 if you have one. If you need help as you approch Nederland. There are useally a few groups meeting up there, but never many Broncos.

see ya at 8:15

great run today! i enjoyed it greatly.

lets wheel again!

http://www.rmftc.com/forums/images/smilies/worthless.gif

:smilie_slapIf you were there you'd have pics!!

Here's a few to start:
The Group Starting Out
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669676/fullsize/006.jpg

Colorangers Super Duty (tight fit)
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669677/fullsize/012.jpg

My Super Duty
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669678/fullsize/014.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669679/fullsize/016.jpg

Shadowfax
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669680/fullsize/024.jpg

Our Dodge Friend (we still love ya. LOL)
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669681/fullsize/036.jpg

Shadowfax again
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669682/fullsize/026.jpg

Wilec Got himself a little hung up. Nothing the winch can't handle LOL
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669683/fullsize/060.jpg

My Brother Nathans Toy Taco
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669684/fullsize/040.jpg

Any body got a clay bar and some wax?:shocked
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669687/fullsize/074.jpg

Man I had a great time and the wife and kids loved it too.

awesome looks like a good turn out

:smilie_slapIf you were there you'd have pics!!
I had other plans or I would have been there. Workin sunday nites makes sunday runs hard as well. Hell I didnt even get to make one last carnage run before it closed.

Just had to give ya a hard time. I know you had family come in. There were 7 rigs today, good turnout. The trail wasn't crowded at all today beautiful day too.

its all good glad u made it out. I would like to do another nite run on slaughterhouse sometime that was a blast and a lot of good places to camp.

For now, I've managed to load my pics on my supermotors:

http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/628/66037

It really was a fun day, wow on the weather! Jenny Creek is rated a 4, but again we discover it's got a spot or two that is definitely beyond that. So....after getting 2 superduty's to come along, we discover 1) it is a very tight trail, and 2) it was a little difficult getting through the one spot right after the creek, more like a 5-6 in that area.

Had to laugh with Chris? ("Hefty" with the blue superduty), as the very narrow bridge, well, we didn't even realize we had crossed it. Good thing we were lined up good. Always pays to pay attention on the trail, guess we were lucky. The trail was so tight in the trees I was more focused on not getting a branch through the soft top. Once again though, no issues, just lots of pinstriping, which is a no biggy with white paint.

I'll come back tomorrow and pull some more pics from my supermotors....

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669816/fullsize/107_0781.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669819/fullsize/107_0784.jpg

Great time today. I'm vary glad I was able to find ya. I'll try to post pic tommarow and a really bad vidio. thats what i get for letting a 10yr old film it.

Great time today. I'm vary glad I was able to find ya. I'll try to post pic tommarow and a really bad vidio. thats what i get for letting a 10yr old film it.

That's ok, if you notice in the first pic I posted (and several more on my supermotors), for some reason my canon lensprotector thingy was deciding not to fully open today.

Looks like you guys had a great time. I think I would have chickened out on a few parts of the trail...looks a bit too rough for my liking. Especially with these bald ass 31's.

willyc and I did it with 32's. but both are far from bald.

Looks like you guys had a great time. I think I would have chickened out on a few parts of the trail...looks a bit too rough for my liking. Especially with these bald ass 31's.

wait till you see my new FOTM footage this week :chili:



The trip looked great guys! Shado, your truck amazes me. I want to go to CO to wheel one of these days :toothless Its pretty!

come on out were always willing to help some one tier thier stuff up. lol

Will add pictures in a bit but here is the link. Great time. Thanks all for comming. http://picasaweb.google.com/wileec2/JennyCreek#

Will add pictures in a bit but here is the link. Great time. Thanks all for comming. http://picasaweb.google.com/wileec2/JennyCreek#
Are the bikes backup?

Are the bikes backup?

Nope we decided that it would be fun to ride off the trail. I sure missed the 32" rubber, those bike tires transmit everything to the frame.

Thank you to everyone who made it up. I apologize to the SD crew the trail was nt quit that full-size friendly Hefty is going to be busy with the buffing for a while to make his wife happy again, she did say she had a good time however. Also a big thanks to Russ and Mark for watching the back door on my mountain bike portion of the trip. On to the pics-

Time to air down and talk trucks
http://lh3.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUmeapIhaI/AAAAAAAAB9U/l0sU2ePrhro/s800/Jenny%20Creek01.jpg

The “narrow” bridge, the SDs did not think so must be hell in a Jeep
http://lh6.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUmemUGkzI/AAAAAAAAB9c/AU-kK0zFSeo/s800/Jenny%20Creek02.JPG

This obstacle was a bit more than we bargained for but almost all of us got through with no issues
http://lh5.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUmjb7GwbI/AAAAAAAAB_Q/Y7hPN1i-qew/s800/Jenny%20Creek12.JPG

SD X2
http://lh6.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUmnGVUtzI/AAAAAAAACAA/5OlMCsvCcuQ/s800/Jenny%20Creek60.JPG

Shadofax with the ARB pump a hummin (gota give you some S)
http://lh5.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUmp2m8W1I/AAAAAAAACAo/HAJPyFxtc9U/s800/Jenny%20Creek21.JPG

Russ (Foxfire) moving the rocks for me
http://lh5.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUmwI6jaKI/AAAAAAAACB8/uF_7xJPgFXg/s800/Jenny%20Creek31.JPG

At least the rear axle flexes a bit
http://lh3.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUmyn-j9BI/AAAAAAAACC8/aGp8bYQrzEM/s800/Jenny%20Creek38.JPG

I have got to do something about that damn skidplate
http://lh5.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUm1t5RC9I/AAAAAAAACEE/nTNoj36uAzs/s800/Jenny%20Creek47.JPG

At least the winch works the story of my day
http://lh4.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUm1zHfdrI/AAAAAAAACEM/hLM1j8CnOk0/s800/Jenny%20Creek48.JPG

At least I won this match
http://lh3.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUm4FtVEjI/AAAAAAAACFA/EQQN7HQDGqM/s800/Jenny%20Creek62.JPG

This is what this trail is about
http://lh5.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUm41QkIXI/AAAAAAAACFQ/HmPNFz-qABc/s800/Jenny%20Creek64.JPG

Lunch time
http://lh3.ggpht.com/wileec2/SMUm5EKRl-I/AAAAAAAACFY/Vw-PL09dfqw/s800/Jenny%20Creek54.JPG

"Thank you to everyone who made it up. I apologize to the SD crew the trail was nt quit that full-size friendly Hefty is going to be busy with the buffing for a while to make his wife happy again, she did say she had a good time however."

Don't forget Coloranger, he's got a little 'splaining to do too, not so much pinstripes but the dent behind the passenger door.


this was the hard spot on the trail, Wileec giving it a go:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669815/fullsize/107_0779.jpg

Good thing the stock Tcase skid was already completely bent up and out of the way from the last wheeling trip:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669813/fullsize/107_0775.jpg

What really helped the SD's here was the wheelbase:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669806/fullsize/107_0758.jpg

Once they got the front up, the back followed a lot easier. It was just a matter of approach, and then bumping it good:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669808/fullsize/107_0760.jpg

heading into the valley, the Dodge with D60/D70U was in front of me and Wileec leading:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669797/fullsize/107_0745.jpg

Co84rc (the dodge) had such an easy time of the hard obstacle (here he is approaching it):
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669803/fullsize/107_0752.jpg

By the time I got there with the camera he had already walked right up it:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669804/fullsize/107_0756.jpg

Hefty's brother in his Toy:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669810/fullsize/107_0766.jpg

Hefty's SD about to try the obstacle:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669809/fullsize/107_0763.jpg

This pic of Foxfire helps show the height of the rock ledge, it's basically even with the top of his bumper, so I wasn't too sure how he was going to get up to the ledge to actually get over it, but he did:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669811/fullsize/107_0767.jpg


Stan, you've got the "AEV" so come on out and put it to some use. One nice thing here in the Denver/Boulder area is just like TSF where I was in Oregon, there are a host of trails within a short driving distance from our homes with a nice range of difficulty. The only thing that still gets me here are that many of the trails involve either ledge trails or just plain wheeling above tree line on top of a mountain crest. Scenary is beautiful, but the dropoffs are not for folks afraid of height.

Anyway, one other thing to point out for anyone not familiar with this trail and looking at the pics: we are legally in the creek, following the trail and not tearing anything up. It's about the only trail here that actually uses the creek in a few sections and is part of the trail.

Looks like you guys had a great time. I think I would have chickened out on a few parts of the trail...looks a bit too rough for my liking. Especially with these bald ass 31's.

Well, as I recall your truck still had some real nice paint on it. This trail, with your nice black paint, you'd have not been real happy by the end. Most of the trail had the tree branches grabbing at the sides.

EDIt: also wanted to mention, if anyone wants any pics of mine, no problem. I may grab some pics of everyone else to fill out the supermotors jenny creek entry, so if anyone has a problem with copying photos let me know.

great pics!

and another thing to point out is that nobody had to take the strap from the dodge pile!

its nice to wheel with mature calm drivers.everyone listened to the spotting and did exact what they needed to which made the the difficult obstacle much less of a issue for everyone!

here's the passanger side after only 2 hours of buffing. Not too bad I'd take it up there again...
... But hopefully next time we'll be pulling the bronco behind it
Jen is happy now with the looks of the truck

Before
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/669687/fullsize/074.jpg
After
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/670005/fullsize/001.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/670006/fullsize/002.jpg
Notice the bronco in the refection.:thumbup
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/670007/fullsize/004.jpg

Looks good - just needed an excuss to get er all shiny again.:thumbup

The narrow bridge is a lot wider than I remembered. The guy who spotted me over the last time was pretty nervous getting my FSB over it :doh0715: On that trip, I was the only fullsize so I guess they were all just a little overwhelmed.

The starting lineup picture sure makes me miss my Bronco. They just look too damn tough with a little lift and big tires. :chili:

The narrow bridge is a lot wider than I remembered. The guy who spotted me over the last time was pretty nervous getting my FSB over it :doh0715: On that trip, I was the only fullsize so I guess they were all just a little overwhelmed.

The starting lineup picture sure makes me miss my Bronco. They just look too damn tough with a little lift and big tires. :chili:

You missed a good time. The jeep would have been perfect on this trail

Well the truck only took about 5 hours to buff out almost all of the scratches. It looks perty good. Now I just have to polish it and throw on a wax coat. say another 4 hours and it'll look better than new. Now I remember why I painted the Bronco flat black. No Buffing, Polishing, Waxing and not much washing either. I gotta get it fixed. Looks like if I can come up with $2500 I might be able to get the donor bko with the built 1ton axles.

Well the truck only took about 5 hours to buff out almost all of the scratches. It looks perty good. Now I just have to polish it and throw on a wax coat. say another 4 hours and it'll look better than new. Now I remember why I painted the Bronco flat black. No Buffing, Polishing, Waxing and not much washing either. I gotta get it fixed. Looks like if I can come up with $2500 I might be able to get the donor bko with the built 1ton axles.

What's wrong with the bronco again where you need $2500 for axles?

Hey Guys,

Thanks for letting us run with ya. We had a great time! It's always fun wheeling with people that have good attitudes, and that are not exclusive in the rigs that they invite. You guys have some awesome rigs, and we look forward to wheelin with you in the future! :rockon

Sorry about the scratches and dents!

-Nathan- (Hefty's brother.)


Hefty- BTW it's not a Taco, Tacoma or the like. It's a pickup... I wish it was a Taco, then I'd have more than 125HP... Like 150HP... :D

What's wrong with the bronco again where you need $2500 for axles?

They're stock and open running on 38's, wanna go 1tons to avoid breaking. I know your running on a front 44 right?

Don'tflametheyota, See bro. Got ya to join FSB now I just gotta get you to buy a BKO.:histerica

You missed a good time. The jeep would have been perfect on this trail
Yeah, been waiting almost 2 1/2 weeks now for an alternator from our favorite 3G supplier. Finally went to the junkyard and bought one to get by on last weekend.

For anyone interested, I'm hoping to put together a trip up West White Pine Mtn in Buckhorn Canyon west of Ft. Collins. Not gonna hijack this thread with details, but if the Jeep will survive another short run next weekend I'll post up.

since im back in foco def interested link to thread when u put together details

looks like a great time. I have always wanted to run that trail. Maybe next time. Havin family issues so My fun is over for the year. Bronco will be parked after elk season. it'll get another make-over on the suspension and drivetrain.

watcha doin now rob?

They're stock and open running on 38's, wanna go 1tons to avoid breaking. I know your running on a front 44 right?

Don'tflametheyota, See bro. Got ya to join FSB now I just gotta get you to buy a BKO.:histerica

yea, I remember now, you were asking about the moser alloys. Yes, my front is a 79 with 8 lug chevy outers, ARB, and yukon alloy shafts and superjoints, 4.56 gear with slush box. So I do worry a little with the 37's, but not much. I think over time it will prove itself that for the trails I want to run with my truck I'm likely not to break a front shaft/joint. and as I was talking with Eddie (the dodge guy with a 70U rear, but who also has a 78 bronco with a 60 rear), I'm not concerned with my "wimpy" D60 fullfloat. All a matter of what you plan to be wheeling, and how hard you wheel your rig.

The ARB is the key for me. Jenny creek the front was open the whole time. The one time I turned it on after the creek, I did so after I was straight lined up (no turning and locked).

Just in case though, I do come prepared with spares:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/275556/fullsize/109_0928.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/275570/fullsize/109_0938.jpg

have not got passenger front spare in yet, but I've got rear 60 (either side since they are the same length) and drivers front hidden in the tailgate.

watcha doin now rob?

gonna design up a rear shock hoop. try new rear springs/shackle flip. redo the front shock mounts. johnny joints on the radius arms. swap in that 4speed finally. and if the funds are good after all that EFI this pig. maybe a little more engine work. port the heads, intake, and maybe a little bigger roller cam. Had a serious case of detonation(on 91oct even). hope i didn't hurt it. but only time and some testing will tell.



Hefty, Im telling you if you drive it conservatively you will be fine. I have wheeled the daylight outta mine on 37's with stock axles and 4.10 gears without issues. Just gotta know when you can and cannot gas it. Although i am really surprised that i have not broke anything with the big block. Most I've hurt in the drive line is i twisted the splines and yoke on the pinion in the back.

Nice hiding spot!! I've figured that the cost of building my 44 will cost about the same as getting a front 60 and building that. So, I'm leaning in that direction. Jen is kinda leaning toward a late model bronco to run herself and after seeing yours she's gun ho about it. We may use the axles out of the 78on it as a SAS since we probably won't run anything bigger than 35's. That one would be a DD as well and she still needs to be able to get the kids and groceries in it. Time and Money will tell the story. We'll see. She gets a little bored when we go wheeling cause she likes driving as much as I do but she won't wheel a standard. I can't blame her it's a little tricky thats why I installed a hand throttle on mine.

Hefty, Im telling you if you drive it conservatively you will be fine. I have wheeled the daylight outta mine on 37's with stock axles and 4.10 gears without issues. Just gotta know when you can and cannot gas it. Although i am really surprised that i have not broke anything with the big block. Most I've hurt in the drive line is i twisted the splines and yoke on the pinion in the back.

I kinda figured that and I tend to crawl rather than throttle, but I broke the front joint and outer just by putting it in 4lo to get gear reduction going down a hill. Wasn't even using the skinny pettle. Probably just bad worn out stock stuff that was proned for failure anyway but the plans for the future include possibly stepping up to 40's. I wanna make this rig capable of just about everything CO has to offer. I've got a deal working that invoves a donor BKO thats running a D60 King pin front with 4:88's and Detroit and a 10.25 Rear with the same for $2500. Just have to fab it up but I think the parts would cost me more.

gonna design up a rear shock hoop. try new rear springs/shackle flip. redo the front shock mounts. johnny joints on the radius arms. swap in that 4speed finally. and if the funds are good after all that EFI this pig. maybe a little more engine work. port the heads, intake, and maybe a little bigger roller cam. Had a serious case of detonation(on 91oct even). hope i didn't hurt it. but only time and some testing will tell.



Hefty, Im telling you if you drive it conservatively you will be fine. I have wheeled the daylight outta mine on 37's with stock axles and 4.10 gears without issues. Just gotta know when you can and cannot gas it. Although i am really surprised that i have not broke anything with the big block. Most I've hurt in the drive line is i twisted the splines and yoke on the pinion in the back.
if u need a hand give a hollar

I kinda figured that and I tend to crawl rather than throttle, but I broke the front joint and outer just by putting it in 4lo to get gear reduction going down a hill. Wasn't even using the skinny pettle. Probably just bad worn out stock stuff that was proned for failure anyway but the plans for the future include possibly stepping up to 40's. I wanna make this rig capable of just about everything CO has to offer. I've got a deal working that invoves a donor BKO thats running a D60 King pin front with 4:88's and Detroit and a 10.25 Rear with the same for $2500. Just have to fab it up but I think the parts would cost me more.

Do you care about the Bronco body at all? Just because you will have the axles/tires to handle just about any colorado trail does not mean your rig will breeze through some of those with no body messaging. It's big, and as you get equipped for tougher trails, expect your body to become something of an added obstacle basically. And it will begin to look the part after a few tough trails.

Yeah, been waiting almost 2 1/2 weeks now for an alternator from our favorite 3G supplier. Finally went to the junkyard and bought one to get by on last weekend.

For anyone interested, I'm hoping to put together a trip up West White Pine Mtn in Buckhorn Canyon west of Ft. Collins. Not gonna hijack this thread with details, but if the Jeep will survive another short run next weekend I'll post up.

Looks real purdy in late september, look at trip 2:

http://www.landscapeimagery.com/westwhitepine.html

That does look real nice I really want to get out for a color run this year. let's "get er done"

Do you care about the Bronco body at all? Just because you will have the axles/tires to handle just about any colorado trail does not mean your rig will breeze through some of those with no body messaging. It's big, and as you get equipped for tougher trails, expect your body to become something of an added obstacle basically. And it will begin to look the part after a few tough trails.

i will second this.

need any more proof,just look at my dodge.

its was perfectly straight when i started.

i will second this.

need any more proof,just look at my dodge.

its was perfectly straight when i started.

And then comes the inevitable truggy. :goodfinge

You already know my opinion Eddie, I wish you'd leave the dodge the way it is. I like it still looking like a fullsize Ram/Blazer/Bronco, a little body beat or not. Always loved the looks of these vehicles. But of course it's your truck.....

Do you care about the Bronco body at all? Just because you will have the axles/tires to handle just about any colorado trail does not mean your rig will breeze through some of those with no body messaging. It's big, and as you get equipped for tougher trails, expect your body to become something of an added obstacle basically. And it will begin to look the part after a few tough trails.
Hey now Ilike my battle scars lol

Do you care about the Bronco body at all? Just because you will have the axles/tires to handle just about any colorado trail does not mean your rig will breeze through some of those with no body messaging. It's big, and as you get equipped for tougher trails, expect your body to become something of an added obstacle basically. And it will begin to look the part after a few tough trails.

Body work is easy. not really on this one. If my rig was like yours i'd care more

And then comes the inevitable truggy. :goodfinge

You already know my opinion Eddie, I wish you'd leave the dodge the way it is. I like it still looking like a fullsize Ram/Blazer/Bronco, a little body beat or not. Always loved the looks of these vehicles. But of course it's your truck.....

its opinions like yours thats keeping it full bodied for now. :beer

Co84rc, I'll bring you a blanket if you want.


I'm up for a color run too.

Body work is easy. not really on this one. If my rig was like yours i'd care more

you said your rig is like a flat black, but it does look "straight" with the body panels. Bodies get pretty darn beat, real quick, with a couple hard trails. Especially if you put it on it's side. I don't mind minor dings/dents, I just know that hard trails WILL find places to punish the body good; and gas tank, and rims, and other vulnerables underneath. So taking this step to serious trail rig really begins to pull the rig from daily driver type use, or really safe use on road once it really starts getting beat.

its opinions like yours thats keeping it full bodied for now. :beer

good, glad you're listening. maybe a nice looking truck will stay around awhile. I like the rig the way it is. For now, why not focus on your engine, your driveshafts, your "wimpy" 32 spline rear converted to 35 :goodfinge etc. Those things we were talking about. They have little to do with truggy, narrowing, dovetailing, whatever.

Curious, how long have you had it now Eddie?

you can even think about a cheap way to may a cool bikini top for part of the rear....would keep you warmer so you can go on these fall "color" trips and not get overly cold.:histerica:goodfinge

and I know you could do that well, I'm still thinking how well your chop top came out.

Hey now Ilike my battle scars lol

I do hear you are partial to the skinny pedal on the right, and are known to kiss a tree, here and there.:toothless

but, agressiveness is one thing, and building a purpose built rig are another. I'm talking about the latter.

Funny though, I've said this before, I chose white for a reason. It is the absence of color and therefore reflects little when sheetmetal is damaged.

I had a pushed in drivers door (did not break the glass), popped it back out, yet there are still 3 obvious push spots.

passenger side behind door, lower quarter is damaged from a tree.

Drivers rear quarter has some small dents and big scratches from various trails.

tons of tree pinstriping (remember this truck was wheeling in oregon, trails tend to be small and brush filled there)

hood dings from a tree breaking and falling on it while hunting high plains eastern Oregon.

Yet, most people would say the truck looks pretty darn new. Certainly not 13 years old. I love white paint.

:popc1:Jen is kinda leaning toward a late model bronco to run herself and after seeing yours she's gun ho about it. [/QUOTE]

look here. for this price you can have it shipped.
http://www.broncobabe4x4.com/pages/bronco1988.html
6K :banghead
http://allentown.craigslist.org/cto/835240138.html

Don't think I would want that parked in my driveway but thanks anyway. I'm looking at Doba's rig right now $4k with the SAS just not sure about the 8.8 rear.

Mark, The body on my BKO is extremely strait. I was building it to be a DD but decided to go Trail with the project. Just finished this summer. The interior is stripped bare bones and the exterior is nice but it's by no means show quality. It has a $17 paintjob on it. I don't drive it on the street hardly ever (just around the block or to the pump once in a while) Right now it gets trailered almost everywhere. I really want a truck I don't have to worry about. I'm pretty sure it'll look like the dodge soon enough but the more I wheel it the further and further I want to push it. Like I said, Jen wants one too now so we'll build hers capable of a lot but still able to be driven daily in comfort. Wanna sell yours? LOL I looked at buying something else to turn into a trail beater but I can't part with my bronco. It was the first truck I bought out of high school. over a decade of memories, took my wife on our first date in it. Ran over her sister in it. (long story) Her family HATES it but my kids Love it. My daughter at 1 1/2 years old gets mad every time we go somewhere because we don't take the Bronco. And the kid in the neighborhood that was selling cookie dough for a school fund raise that came to my door last night, after I told him I didn't want to buy any cookie dough he told me my Bronco was the COOLEST TRUCK HE HAD EVER SEEN. I bought $50 worth. Good sales pitch. Gotta keep it even if the body goes to hell

I haven't read all of the full body posts, but here's my personal experience. I went the whole route of TTB lift to one-tons and custom suspension. If you intend to run the REAL fun Colorado trails, plan to scrap the body right now. Don't even look back. Trying to run the likes of Indy and Die Trying with a full body will only let you know the futility of it. In my final incarnation with the Bronco chassis, I was running a pickup cab, flatbed, and spare tire carrier/trail rack mounted to the flat bed. I ruined the spare tire carrier hanging it up on rocks. I had to spend an hour or two after every run trying to get the doors to open and close and bending the body back to where the windows would seal again. How I never broke a single window in that time I don't know. Within six months of doing my one ton swap, I literally tore the Bronco body apart. Ripped every seam in the cab except the top of the driver's A pillar. I could push up on the roof and see daylight through every seam. By the time I got done with the pickup cab, the B pillar seams were starting to come apart, the roof was caved in, and the rear wall of the cab was pushed out 4 inches. Extreme crawling is very tough on sheetmetal.

FWIW, FSB's will fit on most JEEP ONLY trails :histerica

So your saying, Build a Buggy or drive the frame. I like it

So Indy and Die tryin might be more than I'm looking to do now but trails like HolyCross and Spring Creek and such are more what I'm looking at running.

Well equiped you are fine on HC the FSB will fit fine.

You and several others over the years are what I was thinking of Larry. Once the truck body is really beat from hard trail use, I guess I can see tearing it all down. But it's just such a shame, your rig was pretty nicely set up at one time AND still looked like a bronco.

For Jen, that's a pretty good idea Hefty (looking into Doba's rig). He's down in 'zona, right? Close enough where you could take a trip for pickup I guess. Or maybe he could meet you half way. I wouldn't worry too much about the 8.8 as long as you stick with the 35's. You could always do this to it:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/116631/fullsize/101_0152.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/116637/fullsize/101_0160.jpg

only real weak area of the 8.8 (tubes are .188 wall, and only 3 plug welds per side). what else would you do? next step is a fullfloater, no point in going to a 9.

So your saying, Build a Buggy or drive the frame. I like it

So Indy and Die tryin might be more than I'm looking to do now but trails like HolyCross and Spring Creek and such are more what I'm looking at running.
For HC and Spring Creek, you'll definitely want some skid protection. Both have rocks that'll take out rocker panels and gas tanks pretty handily.

Extreme trails can be very addictive. The technical aspect and the adrenaline really gets to you in a hurry. That's why I say if you have any leanings in that direction, don't waste too much money trying to keep the full body, and keep a real open mind to body damage. You'll be much happer and less stressed in the end.

You and several others over the years are what I was thinking of Larry. Once the truck body is really beat from hard trail use, I guess I can see tearing it all down. But it's just such a shame, your rig was pretty nicely set up at one time AND still looked like a bronco.

The fugly factor (sorry Swat, no offense intended) probably contributed to the demise of my rig as much as any other single thing. It came down to form followed function, and it lost a lot of it's appeal as a Bronco. I understand completely what you're saying.

The fugly factor (sorry Swat, no offense intended) probably contributed to the demise of my rig as much as any other single thing. It came down to form followed function, and it lost a lot of it's appeal as a Bronco. I understand completely what you're saying.

yep. When we were running Spring Creek, Chris (Swat) and I got ahead of the group at one point (I think it was when Willec blew a tire....no, it was when he got highcentered on his tcase skid plate:toothless). So he was looking at Shadofax and reminiscing on when his rig looked like that, and how it would be nice to have something like that again (while stil keeping Carcass of course for the tough stuff).

So while the form will certainly lead to less/no sheetmetal in order to tackle the really tough stuff, what is lost usually is not replaceable, and it comes down to just what you state....It's great fun tackling the really hard stuff, but dang I miss my bronco...back when it was recognizable, drivable daily, as a bronco. That's why I likely will never take shadofax to that next level. I like it the way it is now, and it tackles hard enough stuff for me. Spring Creek at a 6-8 level is really the max for me.

good, glad you're listening. maybe a nice looking truck will stay around awhile. I like the rig the way it is. For now, why not focus on your engine, your driveshafts, your "wimpy" 32 spline rear converted to 35 etc. Those things we were talking about. They have little to do with truggy, narrowing, dovetailing, whatever.

Curious, how long have you had it now Eddie?

you can even think about a cheap way to may a cool bikini top for part of the rear....would keep you warmer so you can go on these fall "color" trips and not get overly cold.

and I know you could do that well, I'm still thinking how well your chop top came out.


new tbi motor wset up will be in before the fall color run.you guys wont have to smell the clapped out 318 of death.

drive shafts are good.

1410 rear and 1350 front is plenty.my front pinion angle is a little sever but ive taken all the $tep$ to prevent bind.

yah,what will i ever do about that wimpy dana 70? lol.

ive had the RC for a little over 2 years.

its never ending.im focus on the things that make it work better.i came to grips with it being "open air" ahwile back.ill just bundle up.

this is the RC shorlty after i got it.i had added the 32's and the black wheels and just started cutting the body-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/burned-drz/spamcharger/IMG_0142.jpg

and well....now-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v699/burned-drz/spamcharger/RAMCHARGER059.jpg

its gonna eventuall be a truggy.thats unavoidable,but its way down the list.

motor swap is next,than a atlas 4 speed case,front ARB,than? not sure after that.its all about time and money.

yep. When we were running Spring Creek, Chris (Swat) and I got ahead of the group at one point (I think it was when Willec blew a tire....no, it was when he got highcentered on his tcase skid plate:toothless). So he was looking at Shadofax and reminiscing on when his rig looked like that, and how it would be nice to have something like that again (while stil keeping Carcass of course for the tough stuff).

So while the form will certainly lead to less/no sheetmetal in order to tackle the really tough stuff, what is lost usually is not replaceable, and it comes down to just what you state....It's great fun tackling the really hard stuff, but dang I miss my bronco...back when it was recognizable, drivable daily, as a bronco. That's why I likely will never take shadofax to that next level. I like it the way it is now, and it tackles hard enough stuff for me. Spring Creek at a 6-8 level is really the max for me.

setting a limit on what you are willing to do with your rig should be key in its build plan for sure.

personally i dont think spring creek is hard,but i do think its under rated.

the gap between that type of trail and to the next level is pretty big though.

if you can drive spring creek entirely with out gettting the strap or winching,youve got a pretty capable rig.

setting a limit on what you are willing to do with your rig should be key in its build plan for sure.

personally i dont think spring creek is hard,but i do think its under rated.

the gap between that type of trail and to the next level is pretty big though.

if you can drive spring creek entirely with out gettting the strap or winching,youve got a pretty capable rig.
That is what I'm attempting on my CJ, but the bug is biting hard. I can already see one-tons and 4-links under it, and enough reduction in sheetmetal to pull it off on the tougher trails :toothless Guess I'm hopeless. On the plus side, once I learn how to drive this thing, I fully expect it to handle trails like Spring Creek and Holy Cross. I learned a lot with the Bronc, hopefully I learned how to live with just a little less :popc1:

I hated how tipsy my jeeps were.

I hated how tipsy my jeeps were.
quit gettin it drunk lol.

And not so much n the skiny pedal since locker install it's not as necessary. And mine was pretty beat to crap when I bought it anyways.

It's all that pure corn alcohol. (ethanol)

Since we have a Dodge in this thread, maybe a CJ won't hurt.

looks good, larry. Where is that at?

looks good, larry. Where is that at?
Storm Mountain yesterday. The trail is eroding pretty heavily on the lower section. Normally it's a smooth ride, it had some surprises this time :shocked

wow its been a couple yrs since i have been hunting up there but that definately looks a lot more rough than it used to be

Nah, it's just because its a cj5 on the trail. Remember they're half the size of a bronco