I'm looking to get either an Ar-15 or possibly and M16. I really don't know much about either of them. The way I see it times are getting rough the way the economy is and it will be nice to have some good home protection. What do you guys think? any suggestions?

I'm not familiar with those... but for home defense, have you considered something cheaper? It seems like a shotgun would be a lot cheaper. I donno

unless you have a FFL your not getting an M-16. It is a fully automatic capible rifle. the ar-15 is the semi auto version and is a fine rifle. If you don't know much about this stuff you need to do your research on home defence. IMO for home defence get a shotgun. you don't have to aim and if your inside your house a rifle will not do you any good. ggod luck on this.

unless you pay the BATF $200 to exercise your second amendment right your not getting an M-16. It is a fully automatic capible rifle. the ar-15 is the semi auto version and is a fine rifle. If you don't know much about this stuff you need to do your research on home defence. IMO for home defence get a shotgun. you do have to aim and if your inside your house a rifle will work just fine. good luck on this.

Fixed it. :beer

Like posted the M-16 is the military rifle, and the AR-15 is the civilian version (semi-auto, no select fire) of it.

For home defense a shotgun is great. Or a handgun with some nice personal defense rounds in the magazine. I would not buy an AR for home defense, maybe for a bug-out survival situation though.

www.gunandgame.com is a great place to research firearms and explore what others are using.

a rifle like that is terrible for home defense. you will shoot up the neighbors and god knows what else because it is powerful. for home prot you want a pistol and a shotty.

(Let's add fuel to the fire...)

If your intrested in a rifle why not an AK-47? One of the most popular weapons in the world, if we're ever attacked, just remove the excess ammo from your defeated attacker and send it toward his friends.

I have a 12 ga with double OO buck waiting for an intruder, but also a few other weapons to keep the world at bay. I prefer a 45 ACP pistol, and a 12 ga. But to each his own.

a rifle ... will shoot up the neighbors ... for home prot you want a pistol and a shotty. Um...ok on the shotgun, but you think drywall will stop a pistol round?

There are loads you can get now that will not puncture walls Major. I have some for my 9mm.

I've seen the frangible stuff. I wouldn't use it though and can't think of anyone I've ever talked to that does. A 9mm is lousy to begin with. Take away it's penetration ability and it's just snake shot. If you've got a link to some you think is good though, I'd love to see it.

If your intrested in a rifle why not an AK-47? One of the most popular weapons in the world, if we're ever attacked, just remove the excess ammo from your defeated attacker and send it toward his friends.


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i agree on the shotgun being a very good home defense weapon.
shotgun=short range stopping power
rifle=long range stopping power

Um...ok on the shotgun, but you think drywall will stop a pistol round?

guess it depends what you are firing, but a pistol round should not have nearly the penetration of a rifle round. most pistol rounds don't have nearly the charge or a rifle round like .223 and will start tumbling much sooner.
but in actuality, wasn't thinking of wallboard i was thinking of wood siding and brick. an ak can go right through a brick house.

a rifle like that is terrible for home defense. you will shoot up the neighbors and god knows what else because it is powerful. for home prot you want a pistol and a shotty.


Actually due to lighter bullet weights 5.56/.223 rounds lose more energy after exiting a person than most popular self defense pistol rounds and are less likley to go through walls if you hit the person.

AR's are actually priced pretty well at the moment. I just did some pre-election shopping and picked up a Bushmaster XM-15. You can find them cheaper depending on make, and you can even build one for about $850 if you felt so inclined.

Just go to Bass Pro or Gander Mtn, buy a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 and call it a day.

Just go to Bass Pro or Gander Mtn, buy a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 and call it a day.

:stupid Ive got an 870 with 00 buck waiting in the closet.

dont know anything about AR-15s other than they are fun as shit to shoot

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If things go badly on 11/4 then I will be buying an AR-15, tactical shotgun and 1911 while I still can....

Thanks for the replies guys. I own many guns, 2 wingmaster 870's. I also own a s&w .357 mag, my dad owns .44, 9mm, .357 and he also owns an sks. I think I am just a bit jumpy thinking about the future. I mean i am literally thinking it will become mass chaos, like every family for themselves kind of thing. I mean the sks alone would get the job done, but I was thinking of something more updated. I guess i'm just over thinking things. :beer

I guess i'm just over thinking things. :beer

I think you are. :rofl:

The one thing I would be doing is stocking up on ammunition for your guns, though. The government knows they won't be able to take guns away, but a measure that has a lot of support and will only gain momentum if Republicans lose more of a grasp on government than they already have, is one that levies heavy taxes on ammunition.

Ted Kennedy's motto: "If they can't afford the bullets, they won't buy the guns."

If anyone knows anyone who is a gun owner and is sitting this election out, Shame on them.

I think you are. :rofl:

The one thing I would be doing is stocking up on ammunition for your guns, though. The government knows they won't be able to take guns away, but a measure that has a lot of support and will only gain momentum if Republicans lose more of a grasp on government than they already have, is one that levies heavy taxes on ammunition.

Ted Kennedy's motto: "If they can't afford the bullets, they won't buy the guns."

If anyone knows anyone who is a gun owner and is sitting this election out, Shame on them.

:stupid again.



Obamas plans for guns are scary.

my dad has a 223 and its really fun to shoot. id recommend it for hunting and self defense.

i think what you want, be it for home defense or the end of the world, is one of these babies:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/tacstar_complete_rig.jpg

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A 9mm is lousy to begin with. Take away it's penetration ability and it's just snake shot.


What makes you think this? I don't care who you are, getting hit with a 9mm is just the same as a .45. A well placed shot still means a dead target. I can load 10 9mm rounds into a semi-auto and have an effective weapon at 20 ounces...

if your thinking about one and have the cash buy it. not only buy why you can your one more person to own one which in the end might just help our chance of keeping the evil "black rifle"

forget an m16 unless you have about 10k to blow on it. post bans you cant even own unless your a FFL on a demo.

if you want a cheap kit to learn on and get a chance to learn about building go with http://www.model1sales.com just add a stripped lower and your good to go. i have shot the crap out of mine and never had an issue. i do need to replace the firing pin however. i believe its a quality issue with the part. i had some issues with a couple pins not wanting to fit too but it was minor and a dime a dozen to get a differnt one. These are good starter ARs and get you in on the budget. also a great truck gun too, no worrys in scratching it up

Now if you want a quality gun go with a LMT http://www.lewismachine.net/ These guys are pretty much top dog suppliers to military and law enforcement. good stuff. this is about the truest M4 you can buy or build in a semi auto. LMT takes forever to fill orders but several dealers on the net have them in stock alot of times. I have delt with http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?display=home and very happy. good service just a little far from me so my orders take about a week to show up. I have yet to fire my LMT just yet and still have some odds and ends to buy for it still before its ready but I can tell you the quality between the LMT and model one are no comparison. But then again you get what you pay for

oh and legal length for a civi Ar is 16" unless you pay for a $200 tax stamp

They are a blast to shoot. But if I was shopping for the reasons you are...I'd go with an AK variant or an SKS. They can't be beat and have been produced at some time on most continents.

My Mossy 500.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/677838/fullsize/img_0960.jpg

Quick to grab, quick to maneuver, quick to kill.

Everyone needs an AR. Now is the time to get one. Once Obama gets in you probably wont be able to buy a bb gun. Here's a few of mine.

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I just sold the upper on this and am currently putting something else together.
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I'm also looking into buying a preban lower and doing a 14.5 inch lightweight carbine.

My Mossy 500.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/677838/fullsize/img_0960.jpg

Quick to grab, quick to maneuver, quick to kill.

very nice, if you don't mind me asking how much did that run you?

I've got the same Moss. 500. Pretty sweet little shotgun. I paid $389 with tax, got it on sale. I leave the collapsible stock on it though because I do like to take it shooting, and I have a tactical pressure light on it and the tactical sling. For an 18.5" barrel it is pretty damned accurate, I can usually play cleanup for my buddies who have dedicated long-barrel bird guns when we go shoot clays.

I've got the same Moss. 500. Pretty sweet little shotgun. I paid $389 with tax, got it on sale. I leave the collapsible stock on it though because I do like to take it shooting, and I have a tactical pressure light on it and the tactical sling. For an 18.5" barrel it is pretty damned accurate, I can usually play cleanup for my buddies who have dedicated long-barrel bird guns when we go shoot clays.

I paid $340 with tax locally, on sale. I have a collapsible stock as well for when I head out the to desert to shoot down some clays. I was surprised by its accuracy as well, for such a short barrel and being fairly new to guns, I rarely miss anything.

I wanted a pressure-light for a while, but decided it wasnt necessary considering the only time I'd need it my eyes would be adjusted to the dark anyway. Ive only picked it up thinking Id need it once, when the dog started tweaking out for no reason. Turned out to be nothing, thankfully.


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unless you have a FFL your not getting an M-16. It is a fully automatic capible rifle. the ar-15 is the semi auto version and is a fine rifle. If you don't know much about this stuff you need to do your research on home defence. IMO for home defence get a shotgun. you don't have to aim and if your inside your house a rifle will not do you any good. ggod luck on this.

:twak For the average in-home distances, your spread is going to be 2 - 3 inches. You definitely need to aim.

For self defense purposes in the home, a shotgun is a good choice though. Another possibility as an alternative to a rifle is a Lever action in a handgun caliber - say a Marlin 1894 loaded with .44 special. Solid knockdown power with less worry about over-penetration, longer sight radius than a handgun for more accurate shot placement, direct mechanical cycling means less likely to jam a round, and less "threatening" when law enforcement gets there. When I go on road trips, that's the gun I take with me. (That, and a Kimber .45 for the hotel room. ;))

Fixed it. :beer

what do you mean fixed it? if you are in your house a shotgun is just point and shoot, no worries, some slugs and a double barrel sawed off and you know you atleast hit the guy.

what do you mean fixed it? if you are in your house a shotgun is just point and shoot, no worries, some slugs and a double barrel sawed off and you know you atleast hit the guy.

Slugs are definitely not a good choice for home-defense. That is, unless you want the round to pass thru the perp, out your house and into your neighbor's house.

what do you mean fixed it? if you are in your house a shotgun is just point and shoot, no worries, some slugs and a double barrel sawed off and you know you atleast hit the guy.

:histerica :twak

you could always load up good ole Rock Salt...

what do you mean fixed it? if you are in your house a shotgun is just point and shoot, no worries, some slugs and a double barrel sawed off and you know you atleast hit the guy.


Turn off the TV. At self defense distances shotguns should be aimed, if you're trying to stop an aggressor no firearm should be just pointed in the general direction and fired. It's irresponsible and dangerous to those you don't intend to kill. Don't be surprised if you have to shoot them more than once and don't shoot to wound.

I think the AR-15 would be great home defense. One day I will buy another one to replace the one I sold off. Gotta be prepared when the dead become the undead.

the sound of a model 500 being loaded is intimidating in the dark. moreover, it gives an errant family member a chance to shout at you.

that being said, for hand guns, i prefer .45acp, but many arguments also exist FOR 9mm, its not as polar as some portray the issue.

on long guns, quality matters, IMO. there are ghetto made m4s and shi77y sks 7.62. buy a quality one. IMO, rockriver makes a great product, but there are others too. and buy good magazines.

mj

what do you mean fixed it? if you are in your house a shotgun is just point and shoot, no worries, some slugs and a double barrel sawed off and you know you atleast hit the guy.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Not only in most, if not all states, are sawed off shotguns ILLEGAL, but using slugs in one would be just as stupid. You can miss, and that would send the slug on a killing spree. You have to aim a shotgun, regardless, you just don't have to aim it as well as a handgun. And some news for you, every gun is point and shoot.

what do you mean fixed it? if you are in your house a shotgun is just point and shoot, no worries, some slugs and a double barrel sawed off and you know you atleast hit the guy.

I mean you are way off and need to rethink some of this stuff. A shotgun is great at close range, but you still have to aim, you still have to be concerned about what is behind what you are shooting at, and you will have hearing damage if you are indoors. It's not the movies people.

What makes you think this? I don't care who you are, getting hit with a 9mm is just the same as a .45.

All pistol rounds are a compromise. I don't buy into any one stop shot BS, but there IS a difference between 9mm and .45 and 12ga for that matter in energy and wound trauma. Point being, if I am using 9mm I want it to penetrate so that it can reach vitals with a well placed shot and then unload all of the energy that it carries to cause trauma to as much tissue as possible in case the shot isn't so well placed.

A well placed shot still means a dead target. I can load 10 9mm rounds into a semi-auto and have an effective weapon at 20 ounces... Agree.

And some news for you, every gun is point and shoot.

:rofl: :thumbup