I have heard a lot of [us] talk about these winches - both electric and hydraulic. I am really interested in getting one of these maybe as soon as this Summer. But I wanted to know if anyone had any experience with any model of Mile Marker winch.

Personally, I am most interested in the hydraulic powered model.

I have gotten the DVD from them and watched it (over and over and over and over) and just wanted some other input/ideas.

:beer
Bill

GoBucs has one I belive, I have the DVD too. I just like to watch and drool over it.

Yea I have a 12MM Electric winch... sweet for the price and 12K is 12K Warm may be faster but for twice the price I will wait. Works for a while with a dead vehicle etc. Ask and I will answer. Winchesplus.com will do a group buy with 10 or more

Sounds like we need to try to get a group buy going to get an even better price. Anyone else interested??

**consider this a virtual handraise for the Group Buy**

That MM will be alot faster if you ditch the stock valve or drill out the tiny hole in it and get a 20GPM pump from northern tool.

Yea I have a 12MM Electric winch... sweet for the price and 12K is 12K Warm may be faster but for twice the price I will wait. Works for a while with a dead vehicle etc. Ask and I will answer. Winchesplus.com will do a group buy with 10 or more

frickin sweet... :rockon i don't know what is better than a group buy on winches except maybe vehicles :toothless ....i would be interested once i find out some work i need to do on my motor....

I would be interested in the group buy as well.
I wonder if we all have to buy the same winch or if some can buy the 9k, some the 12k and maybe others the hydraulic?! I would think that it does not matter as long as we get 10 or more.

i was planning on a MM 12K hydraulic. right now the best price i have found is sam's offroad 4x4 at $866 which includes the adapter kit. if we can do better than that, i would be in for a group buy.

by the way, daniel, 20 gpm flow? :shocked my sag pump is putting out i think something like 4 gpm, and that is supposed to be plenty for the hyd. winch. but you do need the extra flow over the stock ps pump if you go hyd.

I've had a MM 9k Hydraulic for nearly 5 years. It's not the fastest winch out there, but it's bulletproof and reliable.

no, you don't need the extra flow its just alot faster with it.
12K MM motor is rated for 20 GPM.
the stock valve that comes with the winch only flows 3.5 GPM.
but some stock PS pumps only flow about 2GPM.

pressure= pulling power
flow= speed

pirate4X4.com has alot of good info about this.

i bought the MM12K electric for 599 shipped.Havent installed it yet,but it keeps on calling my name everytime i pass by it.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=187566&highlight=hydraulic+winch
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96868
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74937
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=1296004&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending&pagenumber=1

I bought a 12K electric from winchs plus about a month ago. 550 bucks plus tax. best thing was I went and picked it up at his house sense he is only about 10 miles away :toothless

I bought a 12K electric from winchs plus about a month ago. 550 bucks plus tax. best thing was I went and picked it up at his house sense he is only about 10 miles away :toothless


what kind?

I would be interested in the group buy as well.
... I would think that it does not matter as long as we get 10 or more.

I would be interested in hydraulic, personally. If we did a group buy I would have to save a little longer - but I would want it.

:beer
Bill

what kind?
He only sells Mile Marker

yep

i have had a 10,500 hydraulic for several years now and i love it.
the electric guys make fun of its slow speed, but when their warns melt wires, burn up motors, fry alternators, and so on- it is my old MM that pulls them out.
a warn did have to pull me back onto my wheels once though. can't use the MM when you are setting on your roof :beer

i have had a 10,500 hydraulic for several years now and i love it.
the electric guys make fun of its slow speed, but when their warns melt wires, burn up motors, fry alternators, and so on- it is my old MM that pulls them out.
a warn did have to pull me back onto my wheels once though. can't use the MM when you are setting on your roof :beer

Sounds like a deal man! I'd love to see some pics. And lastly, couldn't you make it faster if you used a bigger PS pump??

:beer
Bill

you can make a MM faster than a warn
the MM motor can handle 20GPM
the valve that comes with it only flows 3.5GPM, it has a orfis (sp?) plate that restricts flow, see here (http://www.off-road.com/ford/f350/winch/restrictor_800x600.jpg) it can be drilled out and maybe removed
stock PS pumps only put out about 2.5GPM at best, hiflow ones 4GPM at best.
hydropump (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/LLCategoryDisplayView?storeId=6970&langId=-1&catalogId=4006970&PHOTOS=on&TEST=Y&productId=468329&categoryId=1500)
hydro fittings, valves, etc. (http://www.surpluscenter.com/hydraulic.asp?UID=2003041321273551)
MM 10,500 low gear speed 5.65-8.58 FPM @ 3.5 GPM.
MM 10,500 High gear speed 31-48 FPM @ 3.5GPM
if you increased flow times five (17.5) you increase speed times five.
MM 10,500 low gear speed 28.25-42.9 FPM @ 17.5 GPM
hydro winches don't slow with load untill they stall.
look at the specs on the warn DX9000i http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/src/XD9000i.shtml
http://www.milemarker.com/winch-10.html
some scoobys came with 12V PS pumps.

28+fpm under full load is too fast, a good way to break sh!t.

What kind of pressure would be created at that volume?

Upgrading the stock pump does make a noticable, albiet small, difference in the line speed.

"What kind of pressure would be created at that volume?"
whatever pressure the relief valve it set at.


"28+fpm under full load is too fast"
how does 15-24 FPM @ 10GPM sound?
smaller pump maybe
you can use a spoolvalve to control speed or this (http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2003041321273551&item=9-6167&catname=hydraulic) and an soleniod valve.

there are many options on what to do.

Sounds like a deal man! I'd love to see some pics. And lastly, couldn't you make it faster if you used a bigger PS pump??

:beer
Bill

I would be in on that too Bill. Looking at getting the MM10.5 Hydro. Winches plus seems to have the best deals on them. I won't be ready for awhile either, so...

Was planning on swapping to a sag pump. I don't care so much on the speed, Ideally, whatever it would take to be able to run the sag pump, be right at 3.5GPM flow @1500PSI and do a small cooler or small remote resevoir to help with heat.

Here are some more ramblings by others who want to make the MM hydros all they can be. The key, as mentioned is flow (which generates heat), and pressure. Pressure you have to be very careful about changing much above the 1500 PSI. So, flow seems to be the one to attack.

This is from a Land Rover site discussion:
"Mile Marker rates the winch at 1500PSI and 3.5 GPM (Gallons per minute) and even those values are low. Since my profession is hydraulics and machinery. I know the winch can pull even higher. I have spoke Mile marker several time about this issue and found out that if we use the AmSteel rope (presently we are) the pressure can be increased up to 1800PSI with no harm. Also if I was to use a remote solenoid valve that is different than the one mounted on the winch orbit motor, the GPM could be increased to 7 GPM. Drawback is the heat generated by the flow of oil we would have to have a reservoir with several gallons to dissipate the BTU's"

"A couple of formulas that may be useful in sizing hydraulic pumps.
HP= (PSIxGPM) / 1714
rpm= ( gpm x 231 ) / motor displacement (cu.in./rev)

rules of thumb: tank size in gallons = pump gpm x 2
1 hp of drive = 1 gpm @ 1500 psi
"

the valve is rated at 3.5GPM at 1500 psi, it says so on the MM site.
I don't know what brand of motor MM uses but, all of the orbitals i've seen in the 18ci range are rated at 20GPM constant.

from the MM site.
"Motor 18.7 C.I. Hydraulic
Directional Control 12V Solenoid 3 way
Valve Integrated (maximum rated flow 3.5 gpm) draws 2 amps"

the valve is rated at 3.5GPM at 1500 psi, it says so on the MM site.
I don't know what brand of motor MM uses but, all of the orbitals i've seen in the 18ci range are rated at 20GPM constant.

from the MM site.
"Motor 18.7 C.I. Hydraulic
Directional Control 12V Solenoid 3 way
Valve Integrated (maximum rated flow 3.5 gpm) draws 2 amps"

that's right, the 10.5 is only slightly smaller 17.x CI's.

So, if one were to just buy the winch, no intergrated solenoid/hoses, etc. And if one were to go to a Industrial Hyraulics store/shop and purchase a solenoid valve rated at say 5GPM @ 1500PSI, get hoses, then what would be needed is a sag pump or something capable of beyond 3-3.5GPM right? Might also have to buy that little adapter from winches plus.

you see this
http://www.off-road.com/ford/f350/winch/restrictor_800x600.jpg
its the orfis plate in the stock MM valve, it restricts flow to 3.5GPM.
It looks like it can be remove. The valve will flow alot more with out it.


for pumps
you can use a HF sag pump (>5GPM)
you can use a hydraulic pump that flows more than a PS pump (see first post on this page)
you can use a two stage hydraulic pump (switches between highflow&lowpressure and lowflow&highpressure)

you see this
http://www.off-road.com/ford/f350/winch/restrictor_800x600.jpg
its the orfis plate in the stock MM valve, it restricts flow to 3.5GPM.
It looks like it can be remove. The valve will flow alot more with out it.


for pumps
you can use a HF sag pump (>5GPM)
you can use a hydraulic pump that flows more than a PS pump (see first post on this page)
you can use a two stage hydraulic pump (switches between highflow&lowpressure and lowflow&highpressure)


Yea, removal of the orifice would be good, if I could then take it to a hydraulics place for one with a bit more flow. Would not want to drill, since it would be difficult to determine what the new flow would be.

For me, sounds like a high flow sag, with a small extra reservoir (maybe a half gallon or so) and a small cooler in front, and with the valve adjusted to about 5GPM would be ideal.

I'd also be interested in getting a winch for them, has anyone talked to them to see how much we can get off if we do a group buy?

I was wondering if anyone runs any MM hydro with the stock P/S pump? If you do how has it faired? I am getting one and just want to make sure that the pump is adequate and won't tear up.

I ran mine with the stock pump for over a year without any problems. Ultimately the stock pump failed, but it was not caused by the winch.

Installing a power steering cooler with a hydraulic winch is a good idea. Your power steering pump with thank you.

Thanks for the info Yak! :beer

I am now leaning twords the hydro winches, and you mentioned the power steering cooler...i dont know much about that i was just wondering how much that would set me back?

I bought a Perma-Cool, if I remember correctly it was about $40.

After Yak's comment about the cooler I did a little research and found they sell them at JEGS: part number 771-1007. I think it was $39 +shipping. I couldn't find them at summitt, but they don't always show their whole stock online. I will get one once I order the MM hydro.