"Bush stacks up How?

The following appeared in the local paper in Ft. Worth, Texas, as a letter to the editor. Very quickly it puts things in perspective. All that's needed is that you be able to count and to check out the recorded history.

"Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history.

"Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11.

"Let's look at the 'worst' president and mismanagement claims:

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were
lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has:
liberated two countries . . . crushed the Taliban . . . crippled al-Qaida . . . put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot . . . and, captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

Our losses: We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.

Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.


Worst president in history? Come on . . . "

I dont think the worst president by far...

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has:
. . . crushed the Taliban . . . crippled al-Qaida

but these 2 I cant quite agree with (yet) , the fear they have put into America is by far the worst possible "attack" ever, something that hasnt receded yet but our armed forces are working very hard at to correct :usa :usa :usa

So true:"They misunderestimated me." - George W. Bush

For some reason I like that quote, I interpret as people believe he will fail, then he doesn't fail as bad as they said he would.

You show them Dubya :thumbup

stupid random thought

Bush-ism = Strategery
Pepe Explains: Strategery: An attempt to be strategic in your actions by the feeble minded.

SNL's best crack on Bush ever! (IMHO) :rockon

Couldn't agree with you more

Support bush (He is a bronco owner)

:thumbup

Bush-Cheney '04
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/04.17/photos/19-classday-450.jpg

He will get my vote. The one thats going to be fun is the 2008 voting.

I thought every guy loved Bush...


















yep he gets my vote. :rockon Haven't heard what Kerry said he's running for other than ending "the Bush Presidency". Some strategy. :shrug or is that Strategery? :histerica

I cringe everytime I think of what could have been with Gore in power. I'm not exactly in love with President Bush (even though I voted for him), but he was the best choice available at the time, and looks to be the same in 2004. UNLESS somebody from the Constitution Party gets it, and that's about as likely as a Communist Party member winning... not counting the liberals.

"Bush stacks up How?

The following appeared in the local paper in Ft. Worth, Texas, as a letter to the editor. Very quickly it puts things in perspective. All that's needed is that you be able to count and to check out the recorded history.

"Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in U.S. history.

"Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11.

"Let's look at the 'worst' president and mismanagement claims:

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were
lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has:
liberated two countries . . . crushed the Taliban . . . crippled al-Qaida . . . put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot . . . and, captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

Our losses: We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.

Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home.


Worst president in history? Come on . . . "
We have a pretty dark history don't we!!

Every President developes a bad reputation even before he takes over the presidency. I support Bush 100%, and thinks he's doing an excellent job. I am voting for him again!

However, every president has had their downfalls and shining moments. People are always taking things out of context to suit their cause. Quite frankly, I'm about tired of this Kelly character. The only time he's done anything right by me was when he road his Harley onto the Tonight Show. (even then, most of the footage was a stunt rider!)

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
attacked us.



I don't totaly agree with that. JFK was trying to make peace, he was just being cautious. Vietnam didn't really get started until JFK died, and then that jackass took over. In fact, wasn't Kennedy in the process of calling back the majority of our troops? It's kinda funny how one minute, things were goin this way, and the next, they've completely changed course! I think the gunman was on the grassy nole!

While I have some issues with Bush (handling of the war, illegal aliens, and some other, more esoteric issues (did the White House REALLY have to spend $450K for fireworks for their first state dinner?)) the thought of either Gore, or now Kerry, with their hand on the switch is frightening.

Unless something unforeseen happens, Bush will win by default.

They're all the same.

Bush has made a few ify calls, but they were right in the long run.

No other candidate who have done as good as a job.

In my back window have posted on paper for the past 3 weeks,

J. Kerry
J. Edwards
H. Dean
Liberals
All Blow

Vote for Bush.

I will get a pic of it in a day or so.

Bush has made a few ify calls, but they were right in the long run.

No other candidate who have done as good as a job.

In my back window have posted on paper for the past 3 weeks,

J. Kerry
J. Edwards
H. Dean
Liberals
All Blow

Vote for Bush.

I will get a pic of it in a day or so.

:thumbup

"Behind him 100%" ????
You can't be serious.

George W. Bush Resume

Past work experience:

-Ran for congress and lost.

-Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

-Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

-With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

-Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

-Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

Accomplishments as president:

-Attacked and took over two countries.

-Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

-Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

-Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

-Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

-First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

-First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

-First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

-After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

-Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

-In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

-Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

-Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

-Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

-Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

-Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

-Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

-Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

-Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

-Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

-Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

-My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

-Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

-Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

-Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

-Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

-Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

-First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

-First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

-Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

-Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

-Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

-Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

-First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

-All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

-My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

-Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

-First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

-First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

-First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

-Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

-With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

-Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

-First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

-Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

-Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

-Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

-Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

-In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

-Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

-In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

-Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

-Records and References:

-At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

-AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

-Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

-All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

-Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

-For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)


Oh yeah.. he deserves another four years.
He's an extremist that has no place in representing my country.

"Behind him 100%" ????
You can't be serious.

Oh yeah.. he deserves another four years.
He's an extremist that has no place in representing my country.
.......... :stupid
Sad thing is... my party can't even afford to put up a candidate.
But at least we have... The Libertarian BABES Calendar!!! (http://rachelmills.com/calendar.html) :histerica :rockon :histerica :drinkbud :histerica

Seriously though... the silver spooned coke head may get my vote. The way things are shaping up even those who don't support him are starting to think... "Better the Devil I know, than the Devil I don't". :shrug

[QUOTE=ValkariaKid

-First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

[/QUOTE]

I'm gonna leave the rest of your post alone, but that little F@cker deserved to die for what he did. And we're fixing to get his buddy some justice too.----
Take care----Fog:usa :usa :usa

I have to stick with Bush, he had the balls to actually take some kind of action on anything. Gore or ealrier with Clinton just wanted to make friends by briding everyone and thing.

He wasn't AWOL

I think you have him confused w/ clinton who ran away from the war like a
P!@#y

Support bush (He is a bronco owner)

:thumbup


Bush drives a bronco? :wtf

"Behind him 100%" ????
You can't be serious.

Yes I'm serious. If anything else, he's the lesser of two evils. I've already said everything else that I'm concerned with.

He has an early bronco he drives on his ranch in texas. The classic bronco guys were trying to get him to join the website for a while

I have to say I back bush 100% Our country has been attacked by terrortists every couple of years since the mid 70's whether it be my fellow military members at a sidewalk cafe in a foriegn port, a us embassy in africa, A destroyer in yemen, or the world trade centers, and nothing has been done Clinton and Gore just looked the other way when the cole was bombed and instead of defending our country the liberal morons cut military research,and spending,closed bases, and cut back the number of troops, theres a real rolemodel, Bush struck back after 9/11 and I deployed same day less than 12 hours after the attack, I spent 7 months off the coast of Pakistan(AFganistan has no coast it is land locked) also Bush may have had his own motives to go to Iraq, but it needed to happen, Hussien is a mass murderer and has been funneling money ,much of it american, to terrorists for years. I have heard people say we have no right to be over there, but unless you have seen how these people are forced to live like i have then Shut the F*ck up because you dont know what you are talking about, I serve proudly and am more than willing to go over there to make someone elses life better, If I die along the way well I am in the militery and I knew what that meant both times I enlisted.
You may not like bush but at least he is willing to defend your right to not like him.

... I've been talking to Vicente Fox, the new president of Mexico... I know him... to have gas and oil sent to U.S.... so we'll not depend on foreign oil... -- on the first Presidential debate, 10/03/2000

Hey, he's fixing one thing at a time

But hey, he warned us:
"I don't know whether I'm going to win or not. I think I am. I do know I'm ready for the job. And, if not, that's just the way it goes." ?Des Moines, Iowa, Aug. 21, 2000

J/K if anything I'm for him, I just think he's funny, and I think his competition is scary. Can you imagine John Kerry as our president, seriously?

F the liberals.
J. Kerry can blow A. Gore.

He wasn't AWOL

I think you have him confused w/ clinton who ran away from the war like a
P!@#y


Nah.... he just cut and paste a democratic national committee poster, which, like most democrats, was long on verbiage... but short on facts.

At the end of the day, Kerry would be one of the richest presidents in American history... certainly the recipe for someone looking out for the little guy. He is delusional... and has no business with his finger on the trigger.

Like Dennis Miller said:

"Today, the Kerry Campaign again denied that he used botox. They admitted, however, that he takes a daily dose of 'gaunt.'"

Question for J kerry ..? what will happen to the war on terrisom if you take office?

Their are 2 very week democratic canadits. right now ..

kerry thinks that the bush tax cut went to deep he wants to keep more of your money. ... To give to ... (poor people) ... Minority's . people putting crap on a stick calling it art. inotherowords .. people that CAN'T DO FOR THEM SELVES PEOPLE THAT WANT HANDOUTS ..

As a white male I qualify for nothing ... except a goverment withdrawal out of my pay check... ...

I am getting railled every month for getting a education and busting my butt. so some whore with 8 kids on crack can buy milk .. and bread... F*um .. survial of the fittest. cant work starve .. YOu care about them .. start a privately funded program to save their a//s's


pepe... Im a card carrring member of the libertairian party .. brother. ( ive never pm your or talked to you but .. YOur a brother .. ) ... if your not carring a card .. get one !

rats I have to go to work to pay for some crack head who thinks he dersives my money ..

BOCK

Couldn't agree with you more

Support bush (He is a bronco owner)

:thumbup

Wheres your source? I want to know if thats true.

I think the world would end if we had a Democrap in office, they are all wussies.
It is Clinton's fault for 9/11 because he missed 4 opportunities to get Bin Laden.

http://www.classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32317&highlight=bush+bronco


Its an older thread hope it works

i support Bush a 110% by far the best man for the job.

Lets remember kerry's track record

Supported Iraq war, now aganist
Supported Patriot Act, now aganist
Supported No Child Left behind, now aganist
Voted aganist giving death penalyt to terriost
Voted for Nuclear freeze
voted against f-14's and b-52 bombers,
and the list goes on and on...

Calls himself a war hero, but to me he isnt a war hero, when he threw war medals over the white house fence, and joined VVAW, and backstabbed all the troops over in Vietnam, wich, played a great roll in the loss of vietnam and lifes

We now have the greatest economic growth in 20 years, stock market over 10,000, low interest rate, and jobs are growing huge now. All because of Tax cuts

All you here from Kerry is "we have to get Bush out of office, and how horrinble the economy is" Lets rememeber Kerry, the economy was going in a recession when clinton was in office because of dot bombs, and when bush got in office less then a year later 9/11 happended, the stock market clsed, and 1,000s of jobs were lost in the world trade center, Thats why we had a receisson, and now we are almost out of it. Well Kerry's goal is to raise taxes and take money out of the peoples pocket! How in the heck does that move the Economy?

Sure I dont like everything bush does, like he dosent veto, he has george tenat still on board (biggest mistake clinton appointey), steel tariffs, some of his spending, but people dont realize we are on debt because of war and liberating 25 million people, Just imagine the Debt of Kerry was in office and he brought in Socialized Medicine!!!

Bush isnt perfect, but his pros outnumber his cons 10-1, I supoort him 100%, I crash anti-war protests, campaign for him, and when bush spends his 200 million dollars and starts to campaign, we well really see the really Ted kennedy (i mean John kerry), and I have a feeling bush will won no problem

GOD BLESS AMERICAN AND OUR TROOPS :usa

BUSH '04 :usa

ps-sorry for the long rant but i getted pissed seeing liberals spread the liars, etc....

I will have to show you a picture of my bronco with my stickers, Bush Cheney '04, Say no to war... Unless a democrat is president, Except for ending, Fascism, Slavery, communism, and Nazims, War has Never solved anything, and last but not least, I support President Bush and Our troops

thanks

i dont trust any of the f'er at all. they are all full of shitt and always have been.
think there where ever be a day when a average guy who makes 30 grand a year can run an honest campain and get elected? sadly i doubt it.
ever notice regardless of party affiliation how most all these jerks come from more money and influenace than most of us can even imagine?
you think you or i could get into yale with under a 700 on our sat? i couldnt with a 1140.
think that if your kid got busted with zanex and stolen prescribtion pads she woudlnt go to jail? id get the mandatory 3 years. not the slap on the wrist.
what are your chances of banging your intern at your office, lieing about it, get caught, and not lose your job? i'd get fired.
they all lie, they dont suffer the same consiquences for their actions as we do. they dont live by the same rules. they dont live the same lives as us.
ever notice they dont practice what they preach?
dont mis understand me, i love my country, wouldnt live anywhere else. but i hate my government.
if you think these guys really care about anybody but themselves, your smokin crack.

I used to be a Libertarian but had a real problem with certain parts of their platform (abortion, drugs, prostitution, ect...). I'd LOVE to join the Constitution Party if they ever caught on, not likely. I think we're just stuck with the 2 party system and the occasional third party in state/local politics.

Let me tell you what some people here think. There's this park here in Omaha called Memorial Park. In the center of it there's this big fancy white wall with an American flag in front of it. Well someone spray painted F-uck Bush on it as well as several anarchy symbols. I heard it on the news and laughed my ass off.

Let me tell you what some people here think. There's this park here in Omaha called Memorial Park. In the center of it there's this big fancy white wall with an American flag in front of it. Well someone spray painted F-uck Bush on it as well as several anarchy symbols. I heard it on the news and laughed my ass off.

I dont know whats funny, im sure that was made for veterans, just remember if a conservative was to right f*ck clinton or kerry, the left would call us bigots, racists, etc... and it would be on national tv. Just remember if a democrat was in office, have fun trying to find place to off road, the liberals are more concerned about a salmon then a human, its pretty sad!

"Behind him 100%" ????
You can't be serious.


Yes, we are.



-Ran for congress and lost.

I suppose your candidate won every election he ran in?


-With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Yeah, he couldn't have won on his own, we know that, its a FACT.

Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

And the bad part?

-Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

That's the way the electoral college works. I didn't hear any leftwing-liberal socialist democrats whine about that whenever it went their way.



-Attacked and took over two countries.

That's liberalese for Quashing terrorists and deposing viscious, murderous, torturing dictator who used chemical weapons on his own people and demonstrated his desire to wage war for nothing more than conquest.

-Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.


The only surplus that existed was that of the dem's fuzzy math. If it DID exist, its called a SURPLUS because the taxpayers were over taxed. I'm enjoying my tax cut. But it hardly makes up for the largest tax hike in history given to us by Der Slickster!

-Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

-Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

-Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

Maybe you don't keep up with current events. The high that the markets were riding for years due to the boost from internet trade had to peak and collapse eventually. Also, we were attacked by terrorists, the airline industry and all supporting industries were paralyzed, the world feared war, the bottom dropped out of the market- or didn't you get that net?

-First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

And the bad part?


-In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

See above. Read the papers.

-Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Get a job.

-Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

See above. You know, the internet, the attacks, stuff beyond the president's control.

-Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Hey, isn't that a good liberal democrat would do? They're people! You want murderers' lives to be spared, but you don't want to give a convict a break and a job?

-Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

As opposed to the "other" team's previous boy, who never missed an opportunity for a photo op. Boy, do we ever miss that.




-Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

The biggest energy crisis in history- you mean I just IMAGINED those lines at the pumps in the 70's?

-Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Wouldn't be a problem if the dems hadn't padlocked the oil rich fields of Alaska. Oh, yeah, its for the children-er, I mean the caribou.


-Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

What, did they all have to go through a turnstyle?



-My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Assuming you leave out that "U.S. Secret Service Dating Service" from the previous administration.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

While all of those Dem cabinet members roam the street begging for alms...

-Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

This has been covered- get a subscription to the paper and read it.

-Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Presided over= liberalese for in office when it happened- and your point?

-Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Please- he started shit-canning a plethora of Slick Willy's "from cradle to grave" departments almost immediately after taking office.

-Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

(Yawn) we've covered this already- internet/attacks/war, and guess what? everything costs more as time goes by- its called inflation.


-First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

-First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.


-Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

-Withdrew from the World Court of Law. [/QUOTE]

About damned time!

-Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

Is that worse than bombing aspirin factories to avert the media from "Monicagate"?

-First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

Like its any of their business.

-All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

And the problem? I know the party line is that "the rich are evil!" but the top 5% wage earners in the country pay 50% of the taxes. Who do you think create the most jobs? The rich, or those who live off your taxes but don't pay any?


-First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

United who?

-First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

What?

-First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Care to substantiate that?

-Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

Never mind that the majority of world nations backed the US and the same "high thinking" Eurotrash whose bacon we saved in WWI and WWII (surprise, surprise) didn't want war. (Oh, yeah, and that other nation whose ass we whooped twice)


-Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

You're breaking my heart. Every time I make a decision, I first ask myself, what would my heroes, the Europeans do?



-Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

The fat lady hasn't yet sung. At least he didn't look the other way when Bin Laden was offerred on a platter.

-Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

That's the president's job? Shit! What does the FBI do?


-In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

No, that was the previous administration. Easily said, impossible to substantiate.

-Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Read the paper, and lets get this straight: the economy was already well on its way down in the last year of the Slickster's administration.

-Records and References:

-At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).


What, no raping of women or unwanted advances? What a slacker.

-AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

Too bad the dems are having the damnedest time backing up this claim with any facts!

-Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

"I never inhaled"


-All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

Shucks! Where was this technique when Billy Clifford was struggling with "Whitewater" and the ADFA commission scandals?







Oh yeah.. he deserves another four years.


After Slick Willy, he smells like a rose!

Say, what's a good enviromentalist lefty like you doing on an evil site such as this, dedicated to that devil of SUVs, the gas guzzling, enviroment-****ling Bronco? Try this one:

SUVHate.org

You should feel more at home there. :)

Some of Bush's opponents caught with their pants down:

Here is a list of quotes from the liberal left made prior to 2004. All of these folks are now swivelling 180 degrees as election time approaches, attack GWB's administration for the war. It seems politics, timing, and perspective have more to do with some people's stance on the war than true ideals.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." S
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is is calculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
SO NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES???
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....................
Now who is lying to the American Public?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ValkariaKid
-Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Get a job.
Hey Copper... STFU ASSWIPE! I just got laid off after Microsoft decided they didn't have any loyalty to the US Govt. (being treated so well by our government sueing them) and took thier support business to India and Canada. 4.5 yr's of dedicated service... F*CKIN' POOF!!! GONE!!! Too Bad, So sad for you!!! Did the US Govt. help me to retrain... HELL NO! I didn't make an actual product, so we (thousands of tech's nationwide) didn't qualify for NAFTA or anything like it. Instead they cut ALL UNEMPLOYMENT extensions in my state becouse even though we have the 3rd highest unemployment in the nation, we showed 2% growth over the last 2 years.
That meant that after erolling in college to retrain and scrimp by with my family on unemployment while retraining myself... I had to un-enroll becouse there was no way to feed my FAMILY! You get your 6 mo. unemployment and then you get dropped like a bad habit! Thanks G-fukin'-Dub Jr.

And don't even get me started on the Bush & Quail families involvment with Lilly Pharmacuticals and how deeply that whole trip ties into the so-called "War On Drugs". And don't forget the family ties to the DuPont frickin' nutball family and thier involvment in keeping HEMP out of American farmers hands becouse the material would make plastics irrelavent...

My Dad rots in Prison for 5 years being treated like a fukkin' criminal for growing some weed to self medicate and make a little extra cash selling to other responsible adults. 5 years Fed time... more than Rapist and even some Murderers!
Is it illegal... YES, but WHY? MONEY MAN! Not the majority of the nations will. Even folks who don't think pot should be legal generally agree that kind of sentancing is rediculas.

GOD, I"M PISSED!!! So your a cop... fine, big deal. Keep your HOLYier THAN THOU shit to yourself! Just becouse your lucky enough to have a job in these tight economic times is no reason to go around talkin' trash. There are many people out there with more skills and education than you will ever have that can't find work to save thier lives! I just happened to get lucky (thank GOD) but was almost to the wire myself.

my apologies to everyone... I just can't believe this kinda crap being said to another decent human being. dirty rotten... !!@#**@!!!

I just can't believe this kinda crap being said to another decent human being. dirty rotten... !!@#**@!!!

Everyone is getting way out of hand here, including you Pepe, I'm not being mean, but everyone is saying some pretty harsh things. This is a discussion guys, keep your cool. As the starter of the post can a mod close this if they believe it's necessary, before people get overly-worked and decide to leave. Each person has THEIR opinion, your not going to change someone else's, and bashing someone else doesn't help, there just going to come back right at ya.

These are bad times for alot of people. I have worked in the airline industry for the last twenty years. In the last year I've been laid off from my two part time jobs that I used to pay my child support, fix up the house etc etc...We are now getting told from my F/T employer that yet another 30% cut in PPI is on the way. I've been laid off in the past, and have always managed to come out better than I was before. Keep your chin up. As for the rest, I support Bush, not all of his policies, but he is by far better than the alternative.

I think it's amuzing that we can sit here and disscuss religion, gay marraige and host of other "hot topics" without it getting really nasty but for some reason not politics....................................Take care---Fog

I bet you guys would still vote for Bush if he and Bin Ladden were one in the same!

1911... from your responses to the dissection of my post it looks like you would be more at home in Germany 1939.

BTW.. I have a job... 2 of them (1 fulltime).

I cut and pasted that off of another board. Just like the first post was and 1911's post was. ....and your point is?

Before I get labled as a "Liberal", "Leftist", "Democrat" or any other little box you neocons like to put naysayers in let me beat you to it and define myself.
I'm a centrist with some liberal, and conservative beliefs. I'm registered as an independant. I don't feel that my beliefs are justly represented by the other common choices. When I vote I don't care what party the candidate belongs to just as long as I think "he's the man for the job". I won't give in, and toe the party line like so many sheeple do.

I wasn't happy when Bush won, but he's now my president, and when 9-11 happened EVERYONE rallied behind him... including me. When he won I didn't really expect things to change much over the course of his term, because no one man has that kind of power in this country.

It wasn't until Ashcroft came along that I started having some concerns, and started looking more closely at the people he gathered for his administration. What I found scared the shit out of me, and still does. He stacked his administration with more con-artists, religious fanatics, and money-grubbing, ass-****ing, lying theives never seen before in such a high power within our government.

They are in essence a little boys club that have only their own political, economic, religious and personal agendas in mind and are arrogant enough to do whatever it takes to profit from them.

He created an administration that's above the law, and for that reason alone I can't vote for him.
********
More reasons:
Bush intended to invade Iraq long before 9-11. He set the stage for it, and all he needed was a 'cataclysmic' event to take place so he can pull his trigger. 9-11 was that event. He lied to us when he and his cronies said that Iraq was an imminent threat to us. He sold us his bill of goods, and we bought it. Hook, line and sinker.

Wasn't it Rumsfeld who said "We know he (Saddam) has WMD's, and we know exactly where they are"?

Well apparently that was too a lie. We still haven't found them.
The intelligence on the ground said they didn't exist.
We DO know that he had them.
That's obvious, and undisputable, but if Rummy said he knows that he still has them, and knows where they are why haven't we found them?
Where are they?

More importantly whatever happened to Bush pledging to make bringing the "evil-doers" responsible for the 9-11 attacks to justice this nation's top priority?
Wouldn't you think that we'd have a much better chance of doing that if we used the 300,000 troops that are now in Iraq for finding OBL?

Bush himself admitted that there wasn't a direct link between Al-Queda(sp?) and Iraq.
We're there because Sadamm tried to kill his daddy.

The nation's top priority took a back seat to his personal vengance against SH.

The news today is that we're going to have at least 100,000 troops stay in Iraq for at least a few years until a self supporting democracy is in place. This administration still thinks that a democracy is possible in the middle east!
Better get used to the daily news of another soldier dying in Iraq because it's going to last a real long time.

At this current rate we'll have more dead American soldiers than people killed in the actual attacks on 9-11 before we pull them out. Yet the man responsible (OBL) is still on the loose.

Speaking of dead American soldiers have you ever wondered why you don't see them being carried off the transport planes returning from Ramstein in their caskets with flags draped over them while a military honor guard salutes their fallen brothers? Well it's because our wondersul president banned any type of ceremony, or media coverage of it.
What a way to salute the very people that carried out his revenge.
If you ask me it's pretty ****in' sad.
Unfortunately hiding things like this from the public is the norm with this administration. They're masters at this sort of thing. When they don't like the rules that can expose them for the crooks that they are they simply change them.

Just as I'm typing this another example of the Bush administration's three-card-monte game gets played.

Bush's changes to advisory process draw scientists' ire
Thu Feb 19, 6:53 AM ET

By Dan Vergano, USA TODAY

A bipartisan, all-star roster of Nobel Prize winners and former federal science officials accused the Bush administration Wednesday of politicizing science.

"When scientific knowledge has been found to be in conflict with its political goals, the administration has often manipulated the process through which science enters into its decisions," charges a document signed by 60 scientists in an unprecedented joint effort by the leaders of the nation's science establishment. Signers include 20 Nobel Prize winners and 19 recipients of the National Medal of Science.

They are calling for an independent congressional investigation of federal science-advisory policies.

So basicly now the Bush administration get's to decide what scientific evidence gets released, and what it will say. Apparently they think they now know more than the experts.

I could go on, but this post is getting a bit long as it is.
Needless to say I can't vote for they guy. I just can't.
Kerry's just another lame-ass politician, he's the only choice I have to send Bush back to Texas.

I used to vote for my hopes, and not my fears, but in this election my fears far outweigh my hopes.

I think it's amuzing that we can sit here and disscuss religion, gay marraige and host of other "hot topics" without it getting really nasty but for some reason not politics

Well it got pretty nasty with some of those too.

The current political climate in this country has a bigger presense in our lives than it did before so obviously people are going to be more 'vocal' about it.

Millions are out of work, the economy is still in the crapper, our solders are getting killed in Iraq at the rate of one per day, we still don't have any closure for 9-11, we get daily reports of our government blatantly lying to us, daily reports of their coverups, the upcoming election, our freedoms are slowly being taken away, more Americans are suffering than before, and more of us are now living in fear everytime the "terrorism traffic light" escalates up one more notch.

It's a bad time we're in, and in november we'll have an opportunity to try and make things better.

The 'pursuit of happiness' slice of my daily routine pie-chart is getting smaller while the 'babysit my government' slice is getting larger.

More reasons:
Bush intended to invade Iraq long before 9-11. He set the stage for it, and all he needed was a 'cataclysmic' event to take place so he can pull his trigger. 9-11 was that event. He lied to us when he and his cronies said that Iraq was an imminent threat to us. He sold us his bill of goods, and we bought it. Hook, line and sinker

Read more. The plan was approved by clinton before he left office.

You believe Iraq was not an immenant threat?

For a Centrist you come off very, very liberal.

I think it's amuzing that we can sit here and disscuss religion, gay marraige and host of other "hot topics" without it getting really nasty but for some reason not politics....................................Take care---Fog

Ain't it the truth ! :enforce

You believe Iraq was not an immenant threat?
Not at all.
How were they?
N.Korea is more a threat to us than Iraq ever was.

For a Centrist you come off very, very liberal.
How so?
Because I don't approve of what Bush has done?
What about republicans that don't approve of Bush?
(I was a registered republican up until 3 years ago when I moved to FL and had to reregister.)

On a side note:
Everyone says that Bush is a conservative yet everything he has done so far makes him an extremist.... a very religious extremist.

The plan was approved by clinton before he left office.
They sure as hell were, but the circumstances that must happen (UN approval) before any action would take place, were ignored by the current president.

I have a plan to shoot and kill anyone that enters my home and threatens my life, but I have to wait for it to actually happen before I shoot.

Read more. The plan was approved by clinton before he left office.

You believe Iraq was not an immenant threat?

For a Centrist you come off very, very liberal.


Read more. The plan was approved by clinton before he left office.
You believe Iraq was not an immenant threat?

For a Centrist you come off very, very liberal.

What are you saying CT , that Clinton planed the war ? That sure is'nt what all the super conserv's want us to belive . They want Bush to have the credit for " liberating " Iraq . Just wondering . :shrug

Staying out of this one though , enough was said here ...http://66.45.232.215/~fullsize/forum/showthread.php?t=11935

It wasn't until Ashcroft came along that I started having some concerns, and started looking more closely at the people he gathered for his administration. What I found scared the shit out of me, and still does. He stacked his administration with more con-artists, religious fanatics, and money-grubbing, ass-****ing, lying theives never seen before in such a high power within our government.

They are in essence a little boys club that have only their own political, economic, religious and personal agendas in mind and are arrogant enough to do whatever it takes to profit from them.

He created an administration that's above the law, and for that reason alone I can't vote for him.
********
More reasons:
Bush intended to invade Iraq long before 9-11. He set the stage for it, and all he needed was a 'cataclysmic' event to take place so he can pull his trigger. 9-11 was that event. He lied to us when he and his cronies said that Iraq was an imminent threat to us. He sold us his bill of goods, and we bought it. Hook, line and sinker.

Wasn't it Rumsfeld who said "We know he (Saddam) has WMD's, and we know exactly where they are"?

Well apparently that was too a lie. We still haven't found them.
The intelligence on the ground said they didn't exist.
We DO know that he had them.
That's obvious, and undisputable, but if Rummy said he knows that he still has them, and knows where they are why haven't we found them?
Where are they?

More importantly whatever happened to Bush pledging to make bringing the "evil-doers" responsible for the 9-11 attacks to justice this nation's top priority?
Wouldn't you think that we'd have a much better chance of doing that if we used the 300,000 troops that are now in Iraq for finding OBL?

Bush himself admitted that there wasn't a direct link between Al-Queda(sp?) and Iraq.
We're there because Sadamm tried to kill his daddy.

The nation's top priority took a back seat to his personal vengance against SH.

The news today is that we're going to have at least 100,000 troops stay in Iraq for at least a few years until a self supporting democracy is in place. This administration still thinks that a democracy is possible in the middle east!
Better get used to the daily news of another soldier dying in Iraq because it's going to last a real long time.

At this current rate we'll have more dead American soldiers than people killed in the actual attacks on 9-11 before we pull them out. Yet the man responsible (OBL) is still on the loose.

Speaking of dead American soldiers have you ever wondered why you don't see them being carried off the transport planes returning from Ramstein in their caskets with flags draped over them while a military honor guard salutes their fallen brothers? Well it's because our wondersul president banned any type of ceremony, or media coverage of it.
What a way to salute the very people that carried out his revenge.
If you ask me it's pretty ****in' sad.
Unfortunately hiding things like this from the public is the norm with this administration. They're masters at this sort of thing. When they don't like the rules that can expose them for the crooks that they are they simply change them.

Just as I'm typing this another example of the Bush administration's three-card-monte game gets played.

Bush's changes to advisory process draw scientists' ire
Thu Feb 19, 6:53 AM ET

By Dan Vergano, USA TODAY

A bipartisan, all-star roster of Nobel Prize winners and former federal science officials accused the Bush administration Wednesday of politicizing science.

"When scientific knowledge has been found to be in conflict with its political goals, the administration has often manipulated the process through which science enters into its decisions," charges a document signed by 60 scientists in an unprecedented joint effort by the leaders of the nation's science establishment. Signers include 20 Nobel Prize winners and 19 recipients of the National Medal of Science.

They are calling for an independent congressional investigation of federal science-advisory policies.

So basicly now the Bush administration get's to decide what scientific evidence gets released, and what it will say. Apparently they think they now know more than the experts.

I could go on, but this post is getting a bit long as it is.
Needless to say I can't vote for they guy. I just can't.
Kerry's just another lame-ass politician, he's the only choice I have to send Bush back to Texas.

I used to vote for my hopes, and not my fears, but in this election my fears far outweigh my hopes.


I love how you try to make fun of Bush as Religius and a crook Are you joking? If the last president had some kind of Religion, maybe he would be such a crooked president himself and thief

Ya and clinton had no Political Agenda???? god this is great!!!

What have you been listening to HOWARD DEAN??? YIKES that whole thing about invading Iraq before 9-11 was spit by Howard Dean, was proven false, and you look where Howard Dean is now

Ya Rumsfeld said there was WMD's so did AL GORE, BILL CLINTON, JOHN KERRY, JOHN EDWARDS ETC.. say there were WMD's, so before you vash someone get the real facts

This is my thought where they are, When the crooked UN went into Iraq to Search, why did saddam always dealy them, if he nothing to hide why didn't he jsut let them in right away? I personally think there in syria, because they don't want to cooperate with us.

AFGHANASTAIN AND IRAQ LIBERATED 25 MILLION PEOPLE FREED AND COUNTING! When i last check there were no evil getters in office in those countries, and when i last heard they were being pulled out of holes, and are hiding in caves, and the deserts, that shows me Bush scares the living $hit out of them, but I only could imagine if a commi/soci. demonrat was in office, that would be scary

Well Al Qaeda is being found in Iraq and Afghanastain, and wasnt it Al-Qaeda who flew the planes in to the twin towers!

I hate to see any troop[s die but we are around 600 way less then any 2 wars, I would take that then have 400,000+ mass graves still in use, rape rooms, gas chambers, dead kurds, peoples tounges cut off then tied up and throwen off a building. When you join the military you expect the chance of war, you don'tjust go in there thinking YES FREE EDUCATION AND MONEY!, if you think that you shouldnt be in the service.

THANKS GOD FOR PRESIDENT BUSH!!!! THE DEMOCRATS THINK ITS BAD WERE GOING AFTER EVIL, THEY RATHER HAVE US GET BOMBED, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO THINK FOR A YEAR TO DCIDE IT WAS JUST TO EVEN BOMB THEM, OR EVEN WORSE THEN THAT, IF ANY OF THESE 4 STOOGES NOW GOT IN OFFICE WE WOULD BARELY HAVE A MILITARY YIKES!

BUSH '04

Not at all.
How were they?
N.Korea is more a threat to us than Iraq ever was.


How so?
Because I don't approve of what Bush has done?
What about republicans that don't approve of Bush?
(I was a registered republican up until 3 years ago when I moved to FL and had to reregister.)

On a side note:
Everyone says that Bush is a conservative yet everything he has done so far makes him an extremist.... a very religious extremist.

N. Korea is cooperating a little bit with us, if we were to go after N. korea now we would be nuked, and they have a huge @ss military. Ya in the future im sure somday we will go after them

Well what I here you hate anything Bush does, still can't dig up the correct facts, and you only fail to show the negative of Bush, but cant seem to realize the more negatives the left has done. To me it seems you and the liberals would rather have Saddam, and Osama in office, becuase techincally "Peace" means doing nothing and "lets just get along"

It is Clinton's fault for 9/11 because he missed 4 opportunities to get Bin Laden.
I know.. everything's Clinton's fault!
With that out of the way care to substantiate those "missed 4 opportunities"?
I'll give you a hint... it has to do with a Pakastani businessman.

Originally Posted by ValkariaKid
-Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

That's the president's job? Shit! What does the FBI do?
I could easily just retype 1911's reply to you and it's OK right?
OK for one president, but not the other?
c'mon.......

Hey Copper... STFU ASSWIPE!
Hey, we may disagree on an issue, but you immediately resort to name-calling and language? What's that all about?

I just got laid off after Microsoft decided they didn't have any loyalty to the US Govt. (being treated so well by our government sueing them) and took thier support business to India and Canada. 4.5 yr's of dedicated service... F*CKIN' POOF!!! GONE!!! Too Bad, So sad for you!!! Did the US Govt. help me to retrain... HELL NO! I didn't make an actual product, so we (thousands of tech's nationwide) didn't qualify for NAFTA or anything like it. Instead they cut ALL UNEMPLOYMENT extensions in my state becouse even though we have the 3rd highest unemployment in the nation, we showed 2% growth over the last 2 years.
That meant that after erolling in college to retrain and scrimp by with my family on unemployment while retraining myself... I had to un-enroll becouse there was no way to feed my FAMILY! You get your 6 mo. unemployment and then you get dropped like a bad habit! Thanks G-fukin'-Dub Jr.

No, thank Bubba Klinton and his band of liberal socialists who don't believe in capitalism. You think Bush started this with Microsoft? Why do you think Gates has switched to the right? Bubba and his henchmen decided that just because Gates made a product that was a "better mousetrap" than anyone elses, didn't mean he could reap all of the profits of the market. That would be too capitalist- you, know, like free enterprise. That's the problem with liberals- when they decide everyone has to be equal (regardless of how smart or hard any of us work), they always do so by lowering everyone to the lowest common denominator.

And don't even get me started on the Bush & Quail families involvment with Lilly Pharmacuticals and how deeply that whole trip ties into the so-called "War On Drugs". And don't forget the family ties to the DuPont frickin' nutball family and thier involvment in keeping HEMP out of American farmers hands becouse the material would make plastics irrelavent...

My Dad rots in Prison for 5 years being treated like a fukkin' criminal for growing some weed to self medicate and make a little extra cash selling to other responsible adults. 5 years Fed time... more than Rapist and even some Murderers!
Is it illegal... YES, but WHY? MONEY MAN! Not the majority of the nations will. Even folks who don't think pot should be legal generally agree that kind of sentancing is rediculas.


Once again, don't lay the war on drugs on Bush or his ilk. Maybe you forgot that President Billy Klifford fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General because she was advocating the legalization of drugs, which he staunchly refused to do.
Yes, its because of money, from both sides. (lawmakers AND criminals) Neither side wants to see their cash crop go legal and end the trade. Personally, (although I'd never use drugs, including pot) I would like to see drugs legalized. A big bunch would remove themselves from the gene pool by overdosing and other effects, and the majority of the remaining dopers would pay taxes, get pharmecutical grade stuff, it would be more regulated, the crime related the trade would evaporate over night, (the lucrative business that powers the gangs would dry up, most importantly) and we'd open lots of cell space for molesters, rapists, murderers, and other violent criminals.
Yeah, the truth in sentencing laws have flaws, but once again, that happened on Bubba's watch, so don't lay it all on Bush.

I know you love your dad, and I've already said that I'd legalize dope tommorow if I was king, but still, your dad was a grown man and took a calculated risk- and got caught. Did he not know the consequences?

GOD, I"M PISSED!!! So your a cop... fine, big deal. Keep your HOLYier THAN THOU shit to yourself! Just becouse your lucky enough to have a job in these tight economic times is no reason to go around talkin' trash. There are many people out there with more skills and education than you will ever have that can't find work to save thier lives! I just happened to get lucky (thank GOD) but was almost to the wire myself.

my apologies to everyone... I just can't believe this kinda crap being said to another decent human being. dirty rotten... !!@#**@!!!

Pepe, I'm sorry you lost your job. Its true that it happens to decent, hard working folks sometimes too. My comment was directed at the liberal propagandist rhetoric in that post, and I was referring to the millions of lazy ass folks that lose a job (or never really maintain any constant, as far as employment) then sit on their asses drawing unemployment rather than take ANY job temporarily until they find something better.
BEFORE I got into my present line of work, I got laid off from another job. I had a wife to support, so I wasn't too proud to take what I could get until I found what I wanted. As a grown man and a Marine Corps vet, I took a job working at a damned car wash that my brother managed (washing the cars, not a paper/clerical job) and worked nights at Friggin' Mcdonalds. Meanwhile, my friends were too good for that, and collected unemployment. That's what I'm talking about.
And Pepe, what the hell does my profession have to do with it? Did I lord it over you or anyone else like a badge of honor? Fact of the matter is, even with 14 years in, at the third highest rank in the department, you probably made more than I at Microsoft, and probably still do, and I do have a B.S. degree. On top of that, I pay child support on my kids and spend about $5000.00 a year average to fly them back and forth so I can see them. Up until last June, I had to work a second job as security in an apartment high-rise to make ends meet and save for a house. That meant getting paged out regularly at 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 in the morning to babysit morons, and still be up at 4:30 to get ready for my day job. It ain't all gravy, bro.
I don't think I'm better than you because I'm a cop. I consider myself a PART of MY community, and I do the job with that attitude. I'm sorry I offended you, you aren't the sort that I was targeting with that comment.
I'm glad for you and your family that you got back on your feet.

A very wise man once said this....

FRIENDS OF F.S.B. - I think these discussions are great... they help to make us ALL better Americans and better VOTERS... BUT THERE IS NO REASON TO START ATTACKING FOLKS PERSONALLY!!! If you can't talk about your politics w/out disrespecting someone, what are you saying for your party and beliefs?


I think everyone needs to back away from the keyboard and take a deep breath..We've got until November to hash this out....... :shrug :shrug

I love how you try to make fun of Bush as Religius and a crook Are you joking?
I'm not making fun of it at all. I'm just saying that he's forcing his religion on everyone when religion has no place in government. Separation of church and state.

that whole thing about invading Iraq before 9-11 was spit by Howard Dean, was proven false, and you look where Howard Dean is now
Ummm... no.
That came from a former member of his administration Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill.

Ya Rumsfeld said there was WMD's so did AL GORE, BILL CLINTON, JOHN KERRY, JOHN EDWARDS ETC.. say there were WMD's, so before you vash someone get the real facts
Everyone you listed said that Iraq HAD WMD's in the past. Rummy said that they have them now, and knows where they are!

This is my thought where they are, When the crooked UN went into Iraq to Search, why did saddam always dealy them, if he nothing to hide why didn't he jsut let them in right away? I personally think there in syria, because they don't want to cooperate with us
Well I have thoughts about where they are too, but without proof I'll just have to take the word of the guys that were there... that "crooked UN" you refer to.
BTW.. what makes them crooked?
Because they followed international law in denying us their approval for invading Iraq?
Explain.

AFGHANASTAIN AND IRAQ LIBERATED 25 MILLION PEOPLE FREED AND COUNTING! When i last check there were no evil getters in office in those countries, and when i last heard they were being pulled out of holes, and are hiding in caves, and the deserts, that shows me Bush scares the living $hit out of them, but I only could imagine if a commi/soci. demonrat was in office, that would be scary
It's kind of hard understanding what the hell you're trying to say, but I'll try.
Iraq is still filled with "evil getters"? I think. What the hell is an evil getter?
Well... nice people aren't killing our soldiers in Iraq at a rate of one per day.

You really need to read more. We're not liberating anyone in Afghanistan. We're there because that's where OBL was before we lost him. We're not in Iraq to liberate anyone either. We are there because Bush and co. told us that Iraq was an imminent threat to us with his WMD's, and we needed to act now to prevent SH from using them. If bush said we needed to invade Iraq just to liberate Iraquis from SH we would've never have gone. After all bringing OBL to justice for 9-11 was our nation's top priority... remember?

Well Al Qaeda is being found in Iraq and Afghanastain, and wasnt it Al-Qaeda who flew the planes in to the twin towers!
Is that a question?
They're everywhere! They have cells all over the globe. So by your reasoning we should invade nearly every country on the planet!

THANKS GOD FOR PRESIDENT BUSH!!!! THE DEMOCRATS THINK ITS BAD WERE GOING AFTER EVIL, THEY RATHER HAVE US GET BOMBED, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO THINK FOR A YEAR TO DCIDE IT WAS JUST TO EVEN BOMB THEM, OR EVEN WORSE THEN THAT, IF ANY OF THESE 4 STOOGES NOW GOT IN OFFICE WE WOULD BARELY HAVE A MILITARY YIKES!
WOAH! There's a mouthful!
It's been over two years and we still don't have OBL. Instead we got sidetracked by the job of liberating Iraquis.
Yeah that's it... we meant to do that. Everyone forget 9-11 and let's just go after every evil person in the world, and let's start with the one that tried to kill my daddy.

N. Korea is cooperating a little bit with us, if we were to go after N. korea now we would be nuked, and they have a huge @ss military. Ya in the future im sure somday we will go after them
"Yeah I heard that they got sumadoes nu-clear weapons over there"
Iraq cooperated "a bit" with the UN inspectors too, and they were never as much of a threat to us as N.Korea is.

Well what I here you hate anything Bush does, still can't dig up the correct facts, and you only fail to show the negative of Bush, but cant seem to realize the more negatives the left has done.
Not at all.
There are a few things he did that I sort of like, but listing them here won't do me any good. Apparently listing facts about what I don't like about Bush won't do me any good either because I'm convinced you don't want to hear them.
Like I said if Bush and OBL were one in the same you'll still vote for him.

BTW.. what are the "negatives" that "the left" have done that you're referring to?
Anything in particular or just "in general"?

typical

A very wise man once said this....




I think everyone needs to back away from the keyboard and take a deep breath..We've got until November to hash this out....... :shrug :shrug

Wise man ????? :shocked Who could that be , .............oh yea ! :thumbup :toothless

Bush struck back after 9/11 and I deployed same day less than 12 hours after the attack, I spent 7 months off the coast of Pakistan(AFganistan has no coast it is land locked)

Me too, well sorta. We left for NYC by lunch same day, and were the first ones there. We sat out off the coast while the GW went into the harbor. Then after a few days, we returned to Norfolk for about a week of Port and Starboard rotation and then left for our 6 month 3 days early. Thanks to the JFK, it turned into almost 7 months, with only 2 port visits in Ba Ha rain*, and then 1 in Cartagenia, Spain. My ship was the first to pass through the straits of Gibralter*, and then the first to pass through 'The Ditch' after 9/11 took place.

Well I think its cool peoplehave there diffrent views, Im tired of arguing with valkariakid, he set on his ways, and I like my ways and thats what makes America great because under saddam or osama, you couldnt oppose the leadrer because you would be killed. Im curious ValkariaKid what conservative Views do you have?

You know, I didn't have a chance to make it to the end of this thread when I posted a minute ago. I must say though, this is why I hate polotics. Nothing can seperate a group of good guys/friends more than polotics and women. And the sad part is that most of us may have the same beliefs and morals, yet different perspectives cause us to disagree. Everyone makes mistakes. It's just like the parabel... Let he who hath not sinned cast the first stone. I love my country, because I've been to others (lived in Haiti for over a year not to mention my time in the military) and seen how things work. I have fought for our freedom of choice, so I'm voting for Bush, because from my perspective, he's the best man for the job out of our slim line-up, and I have earned my right to choose.

^Awesome

Hopefully everyone talks to each other after this. And I agree, is not usually the overall picture people disagree on, but they get hung up on little things.

At the end of the day, it boils down to either Bush with a Republican Congress or Kerry with a Republican Congress.

Kerry would be a disaster as a leader. Bush, warts and all, will/would/does do a better job.

The efforts made by the leftists to destroy his character will boil over the pale. We can all rest assured that the leftist anger and hatred, which, in my opinion, far eclipses anything experienced in the Clinton era, will result in the most vitriolic campaign in this nation's history.

There is no lie they will not tell, no truth they will not stretch to elect Kerry. And the reason for their motivation? They're STILL pissed about Florida.

Their positions are not based on what's best for this country. After all, how can electing a nutberger like Kerry be best for this country? No... their positions are based on hatred of anything or anyone who doesn't happen to see it their way.

Thus, posts like ValkariaKid's.... someone attempting to gain credibility by claiming to be a centrist (as if) while espousing every popular leftist, liberal theme and position available. I submit the duck test tells the tale.

It takes a great deal more to be a centrist then just mouthing the words. And when one says something like "I bet you guys would still vote for Bush if he and Bin Ladden were one in the same!" that is pure, ultra-leftist Bush-hating pap.

Is Bush perfect? Of course not. But neither is Kerry.... who has yet to offer any plan to change things, who has yet to say what HE would do to fix Iraq, who has yet to take a single position (as opposed to multiple positions) on gay marriage, who already wants to raise our taxes, and who has yet to exhibit a shred of presidential leadership.

So, even tho I am not wild about Bush, I'll still be voting for him, because, in the end, he's the best available. I ain't thrilled about it.... but there it is.

i'm begining to think that if some one doenst go along with the status quo or has a differnent opinion then they are labeled a liberal and seemed to be deemed in a derogitory light.
ever listen to am radio and hear a guy named sean colmes(sp?) he has a show on tv with another guy who i cant think of his name. he says the same crap every day, something about the evil liberals in the country.
i think that its really great that living in america, a place where the 1st amendment is free speach, that if you dont go along with the program and have a differnt idea, that your labed a bad person. good going guys. i bet the founding fathers of the consitution are rolling in their graves over how we have butchard the bill of rights, and how sticking on the right side, or the left side is more important than chosing the right guy.
i have voted for both partys in the past. usually not liking either of them. this the case again.
i just think that its pretty lame that if i decide to vote for the other guy, not bush, that i will then be labeled a commie, evil, liberal. pretty funny seeing how i generaly am more conservitive than the ones judging me liberal.
and just outta curiosity, lets say i decide to to become a tree hugger. why in a free country does that make me a fool or a bad person?
seems we are all becoming less and less tolarent of others. last time i studyed the consitution, (4 years in college) we all had the same rights and were to be treated as equals. seems to be a growing population that thinks we are not equal anymore, and they are above the rest.
just so we understand i'm not refering to anybody here on fsb, so if i got your panties in a bunch, thats all on you. i'm just refering to what i have been reading and hearing the last few years. guys like rush, colmes, neal bott, todd schnitt and all the rest. funny, are they the liberal media i keep hearing about?
i'm just kinda sick of all the bickering and half truths. seems all there is today is name calling and finger pointing. and its from all sides. just getting old.

I love how you try to make fun of Bush as Religius and a crook Are you joking? If the last president had some kind of Religion, maybe he would be such a crooked president himself and thief

Ya and clinton had no Political Agenda???? god this is great!!!

What have you been listening to HOWARD DEAN??? YIKES that whole thing about invading Iraq before 9-11 was spit by Howard Dean, was proven false, and you look where Howard Dean is now

Ya Rumsfeld said there was WMD's so did AL GORE, BILL CLINTON, JOHN KERRY, JOHN EDWARDS ETC.. say there were WMD's, so before you vash someone get the real facts

This is my thought where they are, When the crooked UN went into Iraq to Search, why did saddam always dealy them, if he nothing to hide why didn't he jsut let them in right away? I personally think there in syria, because they don't want to cooperate with us.

AFGHANASTAIN AND IRAQ LIBERATED 25 MILLION PEOPLE FREED AND COUNTING! When i last check there were no evil getters in office in those countries, and when i last heard they were being pulled out of holes, and are hiding in caves, and the deserts, that shows me Bush scares the living $hit out of them, but I only could imagine if a commi/soci. demonrat was in office, that would be scary

Well Al Qaeda is being found in Iraq and Afghanastain, and wasnt it Al-Qaeda who flew the planes in to the twin towers!

I hate to see any troop[s die but we are around 600 way less then any 2 wars, I would take that then have 400,000+ mass graves still in use, rape rooms, gas chambers, dead kurds, peoples tounges cut off then tied up and throwen off a building. When you join the military you expect the chance of war, you don'tjust go in there thinking YES FREE EDUCATION AND MONEY!, if you think that you shouldnt be in the service.

THANKS GOD FOR PRESIDENT BUSH!!!! THE DEMOCRATS THINK ITS BAD WERE GOING AFTER EVIL, THEY RATHER HAVE US GET BOMBED, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO THINK FOR A YEAR TO DCIDE IT WAS JUST TO EVEN BOMB THEM, OR EVEN WORSE THEN THAT, IF ANY OF THESE 4 STOOGES NOW GOT IN OFFICE WE WOULD BARELY HAVE A MILITARY YIKES!

BUSH '04

Really............I thought there were only three stooges !

http://www.superford.org/getfile.php?id=107293&toggle=fullsize&f=bush_stooges.jpg

I am against gay marriage. I wouldn't know how to handle it if I had a homo freind, I am glad it never happened yet. Why would I want to ask someone if hes married, and he says hes married to another guy instead of a woman, Id puke my guts out.

seems to be a growing population that thinks we are not equal anymore

It's not a growing population, it's always been that way. It just changes from time to time as to who thinks they are better than who. For example, race is always an issue, weather it be black and white, latin and white, etc.. You have women's rights activists, green peace, those with money vs. those that don't, blah blah blah. There is always somebody voicing their opinions about their superiority. And, the founding fathers wouldn't be rolling in their graves, because it was just as bad in those days. The only things that have changed over time have been how we perceive. The founding fathers (most of them) including some of the ones that we (even I) look upon as heros and great men, tried everything they could to word things in order to benefit them, and not others. Sure, some things were meant to be fair, but always with a twist to keep the other side from getting the upper hand. Just take the Grandfather Clause for example, (late 1800's to early 1900's) which was only set in place to prevent blacks from being able to vote. Our country has tons of twisted and backwards issues. Look at how we've taken prayer out of schools, and the word God out of the pledge of aliegance*, all to keep from stepping on anyone's toes or hurt anyones feelings. 'If I can't practice witch craft at school, then you can't pray, and the fact that you say God at all offends me!' What kinda bull is that? Or how about a first grader pulls a girl's hair, and then has charges pressed against him for sexual harrassment by his (women's rights activist) teacher. Everyone tries to take things out of context to benefit their cause, and in the end, they are usually only concerned with themselves anyhow.

just so we understand i'm not refering to anybody here on fsb, so if i got your panties in a bunch, thats all on you.

Don't worry about it. :thumbup :beer We're all grown ups here, some more than others.

Hey, opinion's are like a$$holes. Everyone's got one, and most of them stink. We're human, and Americans :usa and we've fought for our rights to bitch and moan. It's all worth it, and sometimes you have to speak up! Sometimes people need to hear other views. Sometimes people are wrong and don't even realize it until they hear the way someone else views the issue.

Everyone tries to take things out of context to benefit their cause, and in the end, they are usually only concerned with themselves anyhow.

been this way since the start, and will be till the end. i'm just sick of it.

i'm begining to think that if some one doenst go along with the status quo or has a differnent opinion then they are labeled a liberal and seemed to be deemed in a derogitory light.
ever listen to am radio and hear a guy named sean colmes(sp?) he has a show on tv with another guy who i cant think of his name. he says the same crap every day, something about the evil liberals in the country.
i think that its really great that living in america, a place where the 1st amendment is free speach, that if you dont go along with the program and have a differnt idea, that your labed a bad person. good going guys. i bet the founding fathers of the consitution are rolling in their graves over how we have butchard the bill of rights, and how sticking on the right side, or the left side is more important than chosing the right guy.
i have voted for both partys in the past. usually not liking either of them. this the case again.
i just think that its pretty lame that if i decide to vote for the other guy, not bush, that i will then be labeled a commie, evil, liberal. pretty funny seeing how i generaly am more conservitive than the ones judging me liberal.
and just outta curiosity, lets say i decide to to become a tree hugger. why in a free country does that make me a fool or a bad person?
seems we are all becoming less and less tolarent of others. last time i studyed the consitution, (4 years in college) we all had the same rights and were to be treated as equals. seems to be a growing population that thinks we are not equal anymore, and they are above the rest.
just so we understand i'm not refering to anybody here on fsb, so if i got your panties in a bunch, thats all on you. i'm just refering to what i have been reading and hearing the last few years. guys like rush, colmes, neal bott, todd schnitt and all the rest. funny, are they the liberal media i keep hearing about?
i'm just kinda sick of all the bickering and half truths. seems all there is today is name calling and finger pointing. and its from all sides. just getting old.


I think his name is Alan Colmes, and has a show with Sean Hannity on fox called Hannity and Colmes (hannity makes colmes look like an idiot)

yeah thats the guy i'm talking about. i try to read and listen to everything. try to catch both points of view. but that guy is a goof. every day he just rambles about the same crap. nothing very articulate or really informative. just a lot of whining. according to him bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread., and if you dont agree with him, your an idiot. personal i dont think bush is great, and neither is the other guy. i'm not really buying into his argument that terrorism is the only important issue in this election. important, yes. the only i dont think so.
i'v seen their show. i really cant stand either of them.
apparntly hannity has a new book out. guess he's just floating his own boat to help out his book sales. he really hasnt impressed me enough to go out and buy it.

BroncoBob... when your right your right man!
Fog... you the man!
DirtDigger... sure, rub it in!


TIME TO EAT MY SHARE OF CROW... :brownbag

First... my apologies to ALL OF F.S.B. for going off like that. It was uncalled for. I've been working until 5am for the last few days and my emotions are totally wacked with all the recent ups and down x little sleep.
My sincere apologies... to all and especially you 1911copper!
While I have my own issue's with law enforcment growing up as I did, I also understand the need for law enforcment and I do appreciate the risks you guys put yourselves in regularly for the public good and a meager paycheck.
I am somewhat shamed after re-reading my tirade. My feelings are too strong in these area's (Job Scene & WAR on DRUGS). :brownbag
NO... wait, I'm going through MENTAL-PAUSE! Yea yea... that's it! :wacko
Sorry copper... let's see if I can address your post properly now, with stillno sleep, but a mouthfull of crow.


Hey, we may disagree on an issue, but you immediately resort to name-calling and language? What's that all about?
Absolutly... my bad, please forgive. Totally lost it... :brownbag


No, thank Bubba Klinton and his band of liberal socialists who don't believe in capitalism. You think Bush started this with Microsoft? Why do you think Gates has switched to the right? Bubba and his henchmen decided that just because Gates made a product that was a "better mousetrap" than anyone elses, didn't mean he could reap all of the profits of the market. That would be too capitalist- you, know, like free enterprise. That's the problem with liberals- when they decide everyone has to be equal (regardless of how smart or hard any of us work), they always do so by lowering everyone to the lowest common denominator.
While I agree in part with this statement, I often feel that ANY president gets waaaay to much credit. While I would love to blame many of our issue's on one person or another, the problems are often far more complicated than that.



Once again, don't lay the war on drugs on Bush or his ilk. Maybe you forgot that President Billy Klifford fired Jocelyn Elders as Surgeon General because she was advocating the legalization of drugs, which he staunchly refused to do.
Billy has as much to do with this WAR on DRUGS as GDubJr. VERY little. Both of these guys just sat back and let the cash roll in. My issue here is more with the BUSH family than GDudJr. himself. However... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.


Yes, its because of money, from both sides. (lawmakers AND criminals) Neither side wants to see their cash crop go legal and end the trade.
There are many more sides to this WAR than 2. Let's not forget those in medical need, or the American Farmer who knows HEMP could save his Farm, etc. While you are right in your statement, the majority is stuck in the middle of the Criminal cash "rock" and the Political cash "hard place".


Personally, (although I'd never use drugs, including pot) I would like to see drugs legalized. A big bunch would remove themselves from the gene pool by overdosing and other effects, and the majority of the remaining dopers would pay taxes, get pharmecutical grade stuff, it would be more regulated, the crime related the trade would evaporate over night, (the lucrative business that powers the gangs would dry up, most importantly) and we'd open lots of cell space for molesters, rapists, murderers, and other violent criminals.
Couldn't agree more and chances are we are not alone in this!


Yeah, the truth in sentencing laws have flaws, but once again, that happened on Bubba's watch, so don't lay it all on Bush.
Not on Bush anymore than any other, but then... my issue really is why hasn't anyone (regardless of party) fixed anything. GREED! :twak


I know you love your dad, and I've already said that I'd legalize dope tommorow if I was king, but still, your dad was a grown man and took a calculated risk- and got caught. Did he not know the consequences?
He did, very much so... and he's paying. You won't hear him bitch about it.
Infact, he see's this all as a legal battle. He has been willing to take the risks and take them as an opportunity to try and change the laws. He's been to the 9th Circut court of appeals on multiple issue's. Some he made progress on and others he did not. But he keeps fighting. (You could probably find some of his rulings. HEMP NEWS (http://www.crrh.org/hempnews/hn_18.html#driveways%20off))
Problem is... as his son, and the father of his Grandson he has yet to meet, I take it all very personally. And YES, he will be getting a seriouse ass-chewing Son to Father style if he tries to break this law again. I'd much rahter leave the freedom fighting to someone else and have him relax and be a Grandpa.



Pepe, I'm sorry you lost your job. Its true that it happens to decent, hard working folks sometimes too. My comment was directed at the liberal propagandist rhetoric in that post, and I was referring to the millions of lazy ass folks that lose a job (or never really maintain any constant, as far as employment) then sit on their asses drawing unemployment rather than take ANY job temporarily until they find something better.
BEFORE I got into my present line of work, I got laid off from another job. I had a wife to support, so I wasn't too proud to take what I could get until I found what I wanted. As a grown man and a Marine Corps vet, I took a job working at a damned car wash that my brother managed (washing the cars, not a paper/clerical job) and worked nights at Friggin' Mcdonalds. Meanwhile, my friends were too good for that, and collected unemployment. That's what I'm talking about.
That I understand, but please CLARIFY when making comments like that. Times like these can make bums out of the hardest of workers.


And Pepe, what the hell does my profession have to do with it?
I don't think I'm better than you because I'm a cop. I consider myself a PART of MY community, and I do the job with that attitude. I'm sorry I offended you, you aren't the sort that I was targeting with that comment.
I'm glad for you and your family that you got back on your feet.
Thank you and again I would say "I do appreciate the risks you guys put yourselves in regularly for the public good and a meager paycheck."
Thanks for all you do and for not taking my post in a way... well, that I could not have tried to make ammends with. You have my gratitude and now my respect... whether we agree or not. :goodfinge


:thumbup :drinkbud :rockon

They sure as hell were, but the circumstances that must happen (UN approval) before any action would take place, were ignored by the current president.

This thinking, to me, is scarier than anything Bush has done.
I for one don't think the US needs to sit back and let the UN decide our forgien (or domestic) policies.

The first Gulf war never ended, there was never a surrender or end to the war, only an end to the fighting. Saddam did not live up to his end of the barging.

BroncoBob... when your right your right man!
Fog... you the man!
DirtDigger... sure, rub it in!
:thumbup :drinkbud :rockon

Pepe , no rub intended , you know my views on this subject . Just trying to lighten things up.....................................at your expence of coarse ! :thumbup j/k

Im curious ValkariaKid what conservative Views do you have?
-No government handouts!
Everybody has to pull their own weight, pay their taxes, and die like the rest of us.

-No affirmative action!
Everyone should have the same chances, and requirements for whatever job they're seeking. It should be a completely level playing field so the bast man wins.

-Government spending
This one's a biggie. I believe in trimming all the fat out of our government. No $10,000 hammers, $9000 toilet seats, etc. Reduce the amount of money towards BS programs that the government has no business being involved in or eliminate them completely. Make each governing entity responsible for making, and meeting their budgets! (GW screwed us on this one)

-Less/smaller government
Refine, and fine tune the current processes and law we already have without perpetually adding more just because the existing one isn't doing it's job satisfactorily. Our government should be held accountable for their performance. Creating new agencies, hiring more people, and making new laws only make things worse.

Being a conservative means not only having conservative views, it also means being conservative in taking action! Just because you strongly feel one way about something doesn't mean that you have to act upon it! A true conservative looks at all the options, weighs the facts, and most importantly determines whether or not any action is really necessary in the first place. (another 'F' for GW)

Well those are just a few of my conservative views since you asked.

One thing people have to realize is that nobody fits perfectly into a label. Calling someone a Liberal, socialist, neocon, .... only draws a deeper line between us. It's not just "either you're black or you're white". There's a whole world of grey between that almost EVERYONE fits in to.
I've never met a single person that fit perfectly into any one of those labels veryone likes to throw around so damn much. You guys make it sound like it's our side verses your side when in reality is that we're all on the same side. We just have different views about certain things.

My mind is still open about who I'll vote for in november. I haven't heard anything about what either candidate will do if elected. even if I did it doesn't mean to matter much anyway because they'll eventually cave in, and deviate from what they said they'd do before their term is up.

First... my apologies to ALL OF F.S.B. for going off like that. It was uncalled for. I've been working until 5am for the last few days and my emotions are totally wacked with all the recent ups and down x little sleep.
My sincere apologies... to all and especially you 1911copper!

No problem. I'm glad we've reconciled, :beer I've always respected you based on your posts, your rig, and your "hard-coreness" (yeah, I know, its not a word) when it comes to off-roading.

I understand why you took it personally, and when something like that happens to a loved one, like a father, it becomes personal too.

I'll try not to be too offensive in my political posts, but just understand- I'm not shy about the fact that I'm a right-wing-conservative-Republican- and no, the Republicans are not perfect, but to me, they beat the shit out of the alternatives.
:twak

-No government handouts!
Everybody has to pull their own weight, pay their taxes, and die like the rest of us.

-No affirmative action!
Everyone should have the same chances, and requirements for whatever job they're seeking. It should be a completely level playing field so the bast man wins.

-Government spending
This one's a biggie. I believe in trimming all the fat out of our government. No $10,000 hammers, $9000 toilet seats, etc. Reduce the amount of money towards BS programs that the government has no business being involved in or eliminate them completely. Make each governing entity responsible for making, and meeting their budgets! (GW screwed us on this one)

-Less/smaller government
Refine, and fine tune the current processes and law we already have without perpetually adding more just because the existing one isn't doing it's job satisfactorily. Our government should be held accountable for their performance. Creating new agencies, hiring more people, and making new laws only make things worse.

Being a conservative means not only having conservative views, it also means being conservative in taking action! Just because you strongly feel one way about something doesn't mean that you have to act upon it! A true conservative looks at all the options, weighs the facts, and most importantly determines whether or not any action is really necessary in the first place. (another 'F' for GW)

Well those are just a few of my conservative views since you asked.

One thing people have to realize is that nobody fits perfectly into a label. Calling someone a Liberal, socialist, neocon, .... only draws a deeper line between us. It's not just "either you're black or you're white". There's a whole world of grey between that almost EVERYONE fits in to.
I've never met a single person that fit perfectly into any one of those labels veryone likes to throw around so damn much. You guys make it sound like it's our side verses your side when in reality is that we're all on the same side. We just have different views about certain things.

My mind is still open about who I'll vote for in november. I haven't heard anything about what either candidate will do if elected. even if I did it doesn't mean to matter much anyway because they'll eventually cave in, and deviate from what they said they'd do before their term is up.

Ya Affirmative Action is the biggest BS in the world

I agree Bush spends on some useful stuff, I like small governemnt, but you have to way whats most important to you, and to me the world is very dangerous, so the war on terriosism, is #1 by far followed by tax cuts, so i think for you to figure out whos your candidate you have to weigh out whats your main issues you care about

Valkaria- I'll try to respond to your posts as I get time- but I'm pretty busy lately.

I bet you guys would still vote for Bush if he and Bin Ladden were one in the same!

1911... from your responses to the dissection of my post it looks like you would be more at home in Germany 1939.

Typical liberal stand-by responses. Sorry, but the liberal left is the side that want big juggernaut government, "taking care" of the people from cradle to grave. They are the ones that want a "big brother" type government that forces everyone into being "equal" They are the ones who want to "redistribute" the wealth. They want as many people as dependant upon the government as possible, because that gives them a guaranteed voter base. The entitlement faction is always going to vote for the left to keep their hand-outs coming. The left is still mired in the belief that socialism works, refusing to learn from history that it has always been a dismal failure. Maybe they'd be happier in Red China, a socialist "utopia".
As a conservative, what I want most from my government, is to be left alone.


I cut and pasted that off of another board. Just like the first post was and 1911's post was. ....and your point is?


My second post was cut and paste- my blow by blow retort to your C&P was my own.


Before I get labled as a "Liberal", "Leftist", "Democrat" or any other little box you neocons like to put naysayers in let me beat you to it and define myself.
I'm a centrist with some liberal, and conservative beliefs. I'm registered as an independant. I don't feel that my beliefs are justly represented by the other common choices. When I vote I don't care what party the candidate belongs to just as long as I think "he's the man for the job". I won't give in, and toe the party line like so many sheeple do.

Whine, whine, whine. Why is it that the liberals are the only ones who start whining when you call a spade a spade? Conservatives never blink when you call them conservatives. The reason? Most libs don't think of themselves as libs, they see themselves as reasonable, while their views are blatantly liberal to the rest of us. Furthermore, they don't like the "liberal" label because it points to their extremism, and they want the "reasonable" and "common sense" image. Libs are always running from the label, "liberal". Why is that? Could it be subconscious knowledge that this is not a good thing?

If you believe in all the points made in that post that you C&Ped, then, whether you know it or not, you ARE a hard-leftwinger. If you don't buy all of that tripe, you shouldn't have posted it.


They are in essence a little boys club that have only their own political, economic, religious and personal agendas in mind


And just how does this differentiate them from any other political party/administration?



More reasons:
Bush intended to invade Iraq long before 9-11. He set the stage for it, and all he needed was a 'cataclysmic' event to take place so he can pull his trigger. 9-11 was that event.

That's amusing, because its usually the left that tries to portray US as the paranoid, conspiracy theorist types. The problem is that you cannot substantiate this claim, let alone prove it. Its simply the harshest spin the left could fabricate to portray Bush in the worst light.



He lied to us when he and his cronies said that Iraq was an imminent threat to us. He sold us his bill of goods, and we bought it. Hook, line and sinker.

Wasn't it Rumsfeld who said "We know he (Saddam) has WMD's, and we know exactly where they are"?

Well apparently that was too a lie. We still haven't found them.
The intelligence on the ground said they didn't exist.
We DO know that he had them.
That's obvious, and undisputable, but if Rummy said he knows that he still has them, and knows where they are why haven't we found them?
Where are they?

More importantly whatever happened to Bush pledging to make bringing the "evil-doers" responsible for the 9-11 attacks to justice this nation's top priority?
Wouldn't you think that we'd have a much better chance of doing that if we used the 300,000 troops that are now in Iraq for finding OBL?

Bush himself admitted that there wasn't a direct link between Al-Queda(sp?) and Iraq.


Hussien was a madman with a lot of power in an already very unstable atmosphere in the middle east. He was willing to enslave, torture and murder his own people to stay in power- he used biological weapons on his own- what he was willing to do to outsiders is anyone's guess. He demonstrated a progression to willingness to invade another country-Kuwait, for what appeared to be nothing more than domination and conquest.
Even if US intelligence was wrong about WMDs, critics are taking the position of outright lies and fabrication by the Bush administration. I hardly believe this.
All politicians hype their policies and programs. So do the rest of us for that matter. Did you want GWB to go to war over something he did not passionately feel was a threat? What more did we need, a signed statement from Saddam saying "I have WMD's and I hate Americans and if I can find a way to kill Americans with my WMD's I will?"
Saddam had chemical weapons and was pursuing biological and nuclear capabilities. The question is, what did he do with them since their existence was documented by the U.N. inspection teams years ago? The U.S. has already uncovered substantial evidence that the Iraqis went to elaborate lengths to hide them. I think over time we will find t