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: Engine Tear Down Rack - need ideas


bossind
08-04-2009, 10:04 AM
I've googled like crazy but I haven't had much luck finding a solution, so I'm turning to the power of FSB... please help me.


I Need a better way for the kids to tear down engines, presently they share metal tables to spread the parts out on. Not so bad for one engine but when you get a group of 20 kids on 10 engines... well they don't go back to gather with the same parts. And its messy as hell.

I know they make plastic trays for the valve train, but what about pistons, cranks, main/rod bearings?

I need some solutions I can either buy or make, to turn this into an effect learning experience. What do those tech course use for engine building?

jopes
08-04-2009, 12:33 PM
http://www.pitpal.com/products/Piston_Rod_Assembly_Rack_large_V8-713-36.html

bossind
08-04-2009, 01:15 PM
http://www.pitpal.com/products/Piston_Rod_Assembly_Rack_large_V8-713-36.html

I came across that in my travels, not a bad for the pistons but still.

jopes
08-04-2009, 01:24 PM
build on it.

you have a basic idea to use. Now add something to hold the bearings.

jopes
08-04-2009, 01:27 PM
make it a little longer. maybe use some PVC pipe cut lenth wise for the bearings along side each piston on the botton rack.

labeled as such. maybe make a top tray which would hold the mains. since the mains are in before the block before the pistons, and are the last thing pulled out.

bossind
08-04-2009, 01:34 PM
make it a little longer. maybe use some PVC pipe cut lenth wise for the bearings along side each piston on the botton rack.

labeled as such. maybe make a top tray which would hold the mains. since the mains are in before the block before the pistons, and are the last thing pulled out.

The first one to build might be fun but the other 9 would suck. Rather find something more complete.

Dave's Bronc 90
08-04-2009, 02:09 PM
Did they take that pic with a cell phone? I've seen clearer pics of Big Foot.:histerica

http://www.pitpal.com/images/products/preview/383.jpg

jopes
08-04-2009, 02:19 PM
I need some solutions I can either buy or make, to turn this into an effect learning experience. What do those tech course use for engine building?

The first one to build might be fun but the other 9 would suck. Rather find something more complete.



sounds to me your going to turn this into a learning expierence and make the class make the other 9 trays.

78bronco460
08-04-2009, 08:11 PM
rubbermaid totes and each motor has a different color can of spay paint to mark the parts with?

magnumpi
08-04-2009, 11:15 PM
At my school we only have wood top work tables to put everything on. And we have to mark everything as it comes out, or mostly note the marks. Usually our teachers will screw with what we have laid out so we can't just put it back together in reverse of how we dissasembled it.

Actually in manual transmission class after we had the entire thing laying on a bench in pieces our teacher came around to each table, jumbled everything up and added extra parts. Then we left for the weekend. I learn A LOT it that class.

Basically what im saying....maybe its better if everything isn't exactly orderly, because it rarley ever is in a garage.

Altough a small stand to hold the crank would have been nice...and something to keep the pushrods in order.

jmorriss
08-04-2009, 11:24 PM
sounds to me your going to turn this into a learning expierence and make the class make the other 9 trays.

Would actually be a good learning experience-if you don't have the ideal tool, improvise for a better one.

If you want you could have that be a project in and of itself-give them basic materials and a list of goals (or not depending on the level of the class and pre requisites) and see what you could back. I am sure they could teach us a thing or two.

oldblackwater
08-05-2009, 12:29 AM
I've never been in a mechanic's learning environment/classroom, but have taught Biology for 3 years and a lab tech for 3 years at Indiana University. We used carts. In my brother's garage, where I do most of my wrenching, we have quite a few carts and are working on quite a few projects at the same time and the carts keep everything seperate and organized... (Not 10 projects, but a 78 BKO 460 build, BKO II 22R Turbo build, rock crawler 472 30over build, S10 350 build, 89 351w build, Bayou build, and a go cart build. Kinda hard to keep the stuff seperated without the carts.)

I guess space for a bunch of carts would definately be a factor. Also, budget, there are quite a few nice work space carts on the market such as the SnapOn ones. All of ours were bought at different industrial auctions over the years and either used as is, or modified to fit our needs.

Dustball
08-05-2009, 12:56 AM
How about buying these cheap 18x30 carts when they go on sale-

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=5107

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/05100-05199/05107.gif

Cut the top tray to be able to drop the pistons through.

oldblackwater
08-05-2009, 01:06 AM
How about buying these cheap 18x30 carts when they go on sale-

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=5107

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/05100-05199/05107.gif

Cut the top tray to be able to drop the pistons through.

At 39.99 each, I might have to get a few more.

I have a couple of carts like this one. I did weld a frame of angle iron to them to take out the flimsiness, they work great and have held up. I also changed one of the carts like this one by swapping 2 of the castors with locking type and 2 with swivel type castors. Got a big box of castors at an auction a few years back and have definately got my money out of them.

Dustball
08-05-2009, 03:03 AM
At 39.99 each, I might have to get a few more.

I have a couple of carts like this one. I did weld a frame of angle iron to them to take out the flimsiness, they work great and have held up. I also changed one of the carts like this one by swapping 2 of the castors with locking type and 2 with swivel type castors. Got a big box of castors at an auction a few years back and have definately got my money out of them.
They're currently on sale in the stores at $34.99. Wait till the weekend and you can use a 20% off coupon on it and end up paying $28.

bossind
08-07-2009, 05:57 PM
Cart is the best idea thus far. Trying to also keep the mess to a control.

waltman
08-07-2009, 06:01 PM
I would go with the carts. They can be easily marked for identification which could be assigned for each student for the year and they are on wheels so they can easily be moved around. You could also tack in some walls for various compartments if you wish, or add another shelf in there.

Dustball
08-08-2009, 02:53 AM
I would go with the carts. They can be easily marked for identification which could be assigned for each student for the year and they are on wheels so they can easily be moved around. You could also tack in some walls for various compartments if you wish, or add another shelf in there.
Could even use dry erase markers to write notes on the sides.

The Ric
08-08-2009, 07:09 PM
we used a work bench in my engines class...which the bottom half was metal, and the top was wooden. it had small drawers going across the top and two sliding doors on the bottom going from side to side. So pretty much 3 levels of storage.

boss, do you have these?
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/RS/SR/Product/2514394_L.jpg

bossind
08-09-2009, 11:57 AM
we used a work bench in my engines class...which the bottom half was metal, and the top was wooden. it had small drawers going across the top and two sliding doors on the bottom going from side to side. So pretty much 3 levels of storage.

boss, do you have these?
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/RS/SR/Product/2514394_L.jpg

Not yet, but will be getting some.

Hoxviii
08-11-2009, 05:53 PM
How much room are you working with?

When I took engine shop each engine had it's own table that was 4x6 to 4x8. They were made from two drawer filing cabinets with 2x4's on side sandwiched together as the table top.

Under the table there was enough room to store all of the individual large components and you kept small components in the drawers. Pushrod holders were a section of 2x6 with (16) numbered 1/2" holes with 1" holes next to them for the matching lifter.

It's nothing fancy, but the main goal was just to keep the migration of parts from engine to engine a minimum- hence the separate tables. Keeping it organized beyond that really came down to the individuals.

AndyA
08-13-2009, 02:07 PM
Did they take that pic with a cell phone? I've seen clearer pics of Big Foot.:histerica

http://www.pitpal.com/images/products/preview/383.jpg

we used a work bench in my engines class...which the bottom half was metal, and the top was wooden. it had small drawers going across the top and two sliding doors on the bottom going from side to side. So pretty much 3 levels of storage.

boss, do you have these?
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/RS/SR/Product/2514394_L.jpg

i would go with something like the both of those.i would extend the piston holder legs along with strengthening them and then use the drawer type deal for all the rods rocker arms etc and slide it under the piston holder and weld some legs ontop of the piston hold with maybe old rod bearings from something to hold the crank on top

bossind
08-23-2009, 01:20 PM
What do you guys think of these for tear down carts

http://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=6238

waltman
08-23-2009, 01:37 PM
Looks alright, and I see it has gussets in the uprights that would accommodate a piece of plywood for a shelf. How much?

liltimmy08
08-23-2009, 01:58 PM
What do you guys think of these for tear down carts

http://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=6238

I have the HF version of those. Its held up great and the compartments by the handle are handy for small nuts and bolts. I had 3 people sit on mine with zero flexing or breaking.

bossind
08-23-2009, 05:10 PM
Looks alright, and I see it has gussets in the uprights that would accommodate a piece of plywood for a shelf. How much?

130 - 160 each, depends on the vendor.

waltman
08-23-2009, 05:30 PM
That's a bit steep isn't it?
I'm pretty sure I saw a metal cart like that at PA for less than a hun.

I just checked the new catalog and if you go to page 205 you will see some that are as good or better for that price. If you don't have the catalog, you can get it from the web site.

oldblackwater
08-23-2009, 08:58 PM
I've used a similar cart for onsite jobs. Depending on the quality, some of those resin-type carts are indestructable. I believe the metal casters would fail before the resin. I would check their reaction to the types of chemicals that may be spilled on them, such as petroleum based fluids, solvents, etc.

The one that I had is from Uline. I order a few different supplies for my shop from them.

The one I've used when installing network cabling: Mobile Workstation (http://www.uline.com/BL_1825/Mobile-Workstation)

The link to their carts section: Utilities Carts (http://www.uline.com/Grp_37/Carts)

I'm sure you can get a metal carts cheaper, I have a few. But, you will definately have to reinforce it with some heavier steel and the cheaper ones still tend to be pretty flimsy after the reinforcements...

liltimmy08
08-23-2009, 09:57 PM
130 - 160 each, depends on the vendor.

Same thing as the HF ones but the HF ones are much cheaper.