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hmmm its all clear now. :shrug

Sounds right to me.





Bush : 4 more in 04!

well i have come to the conclusion today, that we should pull all our troops back to saudi arabia or some safe place. Have border guards so nothing leaves or come in. and then just start starving the f*kers. Im sick and tired of hearing about them dieing. lets take away all our support for them and see what happens to the camel humpin tards. :twak :twak

saudi arabia isnt very safe, imo, I think they have a good control over us seeing as they supply a good ammount of oil to us. They do a lot of shady stuff and a lot of shady characters come out of their country. I dont trust em.

well i have come to the conclusion today, that we should pull all our troops back to saudi arabia or some safe place. Have border guards so nothing leaves or come in. and then just start starving the f*kers. Im sick and tired of hearing about them dieing. lets take away all our support for them and see what happens to the camel humpin tards.

If our goal was just to kill them, I would vote for the H-bomb it would be more entertaining :toothless

If the goal was to kill we wouldnt want to go nuclear. That would piss way to many people off, so IMO I say the MOAB(mother of all bombs). Even if we took only a third of the C-130s in our inventory that would do a hell of a lot of damage, then I could have a part in it. I think we should sit right where we are. In retrospect to all the other wars and police actions not many troops have died. What the news fails to tell everybody is how Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and the Airman die. There have been alot of deaths by stupidity. They would be horsing around and flip a vehicle, or not paying attention and hit some ordance that has been buried for 10 years, stuff like that.

I hope Bush wins again in 04. Since we are losing around 100 guys a week I'm sure they'll start up the draft real soon. Then I'll get to go fight for some asshole texan's private interests!! Yay!

Spoken like a true californian :toothless :wacko

I hope Bush wins again in 04. Since we are losing around 100 guys a week I'm sure they'll start up the draft real soon. Then I'll get to go fight for some asshole texan's private interests!! Yay!


You cali boys know nothing about Texans. Me being a Texan and one of my best friends being from East LA I have learned. NO THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT. Im tired of cock suckers that dont have the balls to do something to keep this country protected whine about that. And a hundred a week are you that stupid. there has only been like 700-800 in 2 years. Where are these 100 a week deaths coming from. Yes I hope Bush wins again so we can keep our military force around to take out these punk ass terrorist and evil dictators. And if this country at war for some ASSHOLE TEXAN'S PRIVATE INTERESTS. What private interest the country? Just because he is from Texas doesnt make him wanting to go to war to get oil. No president is that stupid. If that was the case why is gas on the rise MORON. Holy shit we are being overrun by pussies

You cali boys know nothing about Texans. Me being a Texan and one of my best friends being from East LA I have learned. NO THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT. Im tired of cock suckers that dont have the balls to do something to keep this country protected whine about that. And a hundred a week are you that stupid. there has only been like 700-800 in 2 years. Where are these 100 a week deaths coming from. Yes I hope Bush wins again so we can keep our military force around to take out these punk ass terrorist and evil dictators. And if this country at war for some ASSHOLE TEXAN'S PRIVATE INTERESTS. What private interest the country? Just because he is from Texas doesnt make him wanting to go to war to get oil. No president is that stupid. If that was the case why is gas on the rise MORON. Holy shit we are being overrun by pussies

Well said!!! This certainly has the potential of being another long thread..

Does anybody here honestly believe that only one man made the decision to go to war? And that only one man is keeping us there? Thats like saying that the Chief of Staff of the Air Force makes all decisions regarding the Air Force. Behind every figurehead, is a force of advisors who make the decisions. The figurehead just takes the blame.

Hey somebody finally agrees with me on that part

Does anybody here honestly believe that only one man made the decision to go to war? And that only one man is keeping us there? Thats like saying that the Chief of Staff of the Air Force makes all decisions regarding the Air Force. Behind every figurehead, is a force of advisors who make the decisions. The figurehead just takes the blame.

Hell no! John Kerry helped to make the decision too!
Of course, he voted for it before he was against it :duh

Im tired of cock suckers that dont have the balls to do something to keep this country protected whine about that.

Please remove the blanket from this statement.

You cali boys know nothing about Texans. Me being a Texan and one of my best friends being from East LA I have learned. NO THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT. Im tired of cock suckers that dont have the balls to do something to keep this country protected whine about that. And a hundred a week are you that stupid. there has only been like 700-800 in 2 years. Where are these 100 a week deaths coming from. Yes I hope Bush wins again so we can keep our military force around to take out these punk ass terrorist and evil dictators. And if this country at war for some ASSHOLE TEXAN'S PRIVATE INTERESTS. What private interest the country? Just because he is from Texas doesnt make him wanting to go to war to get oil. No president is that stupid. If that was the case why is gas on the rise MORON. Holy shit we are being overrun by pussies
oh boy, here we go again :rolleyes:

just to stir the pot because i love these pointless 12 page arguments: spoken like a true Texan who believes the govt can do no wrong.

you wanna know what i am tired of? citizens who feel they must blindy follow the president to hell holding his hand just because he is the president and who's first response to someone is "you disagree with me so you're a ***** ass cock sucker." true ignorance at its finest. guess what guys: i may be from california, but i am still a conservative. guess what guys: i will still vote for bush for lack of a viable option. guess what: i DO support our troops. guess what: i would NOT go fight in this so called war either. i will always back our troops 100%, becuase they aren't the ones that make the decisions to go fight. its not their fault that the way our government works inherently caters to the special interests of the elected elite. is Bush responsible? ultimately, YES. thats what you get when you are commander in cheif.

i think this war is a scam, but i still would shake the hand and buy a drink for every soldier over there if i could. are they really fighting for our freedom? i don't think so, but that is just my personal opinion paid for by the blood of my forebearers. but they are fighting because apparently the elected elite feel some one must, and i'd rather not go. what purpose do we have in Iraq? to oust Saddam? done. now are the iraqis magically supposed to figure out how to start governing themselves? how can they, they have no experience in democracy. we've been at it over 200 years and we still haven't figured it out, but thats beside the point. the only reason there was change in the first place was because of a direct force (the US) affecting the change. without that outside force, there can be no sustained change.

what direct threat was there to us from Iraq itself? i don't give a shit about the UN regulations us not having their support and all that BS, i just want to know how myself, my family and my country personally were being directly threatened. was it because Saddam had WMDs? well where are they? (it goes without saying that we know he HAD them, but when we entered Iraq, we were still being told that he had them and we knew where to find them) i know that France, England, Russia, China, N. Korea, blah blah blah all have them. last i checked, no one liked France or China or N. Korea so lets blow them up too. **** it, lets blow the whole world up. was it because Saddam was a war like loose cannon? aren't we by very nature of being over there defining oursleves as a warlike loose cannon? or is it because we are all powerful America that we get a special stamp of exemption. see where i am going? i am tired of being told that there is a threat against my life. i am tired of being made to be afraid of something.

call me a coward, call me a *****, i really don't care. bottom line, when the heathen Red hoardes are landing on the beaches and my freedom is threatened, i will be charging them head first, guns blazing. until then, i'll just be another arm chair soldier. i still bleed red white and blue just like everyother true american.

:thumbup well said Andy, i agree. :beer

but i'm not even from California :shrug

well said Andy, i agree.

and if you didn't, you'd be a cocksucker :goodfinge

oh boy, here we go again :rolleyes:

just to stir the pot because i love these pointless 12 page arguments: spoken like a true Texan who believes the govt can do no wrong.

you wanna know what i am tired of? citizens who feel they must blindy follow the president to hell holding his hand just because he is the president


First off I do believe the Gov't can do wrong. It has done a lot of wrong things. I think we should have finished the job in 91. I think we could have done things differently in vietnam. I think local issues have been done wrong in times. And I dont blindly follow my COMMANDER IN CHIEF. He is my boss I follow orders, I feel we should be over there. I was not trying to make it out that your life is in danger. No more than anyone else. I think an accident or a natural disaster is more of a threat. Yes I think these people that are all anti war anti bush etc for the most part are cock suckers, no not all, but a lot. This war is for no reason, we took out saddam now we are assisting. what you wanted us to go in there take over then leave and let them sit high and dry

One Question:

Why are we still there? Bad man saddam is gone, halliburton got the contract, we re-aligned their money and government

Tell me why in the hell we are still there? Im no hippie ass liberal bitch, and I cannot see why in the hell we are still in that sandbox. Leave iraq, comb afgahnistan, find osama, put a bullet in his head and come home.

We will never make these islamabad jerkoffs change their mind, their sole purpose for life is to rebel against the infidels (us) and fight for allah.
The Iraqis need to figure out this religious quandry on their own. We should be done there, Iraq will be a pissed off place whether we are there are not.

Hey WTF??? This thread started out as a political joke and you guys went and got serious :twak

:brownbag

Hey WTF??? This thread started out as a political joke and you guys went and got serious :twak

:brownbag

Thats why you never talk about religion or politics...where's Beerman...we need him in here.

Hey WTF??? This thread started out as a political joke and you guys went and got serious

happens all the time. :thumbup

Thats why you never talk about religion or politics...where's Beerman...we need him in here.

or metalhead :histerica

And I dont blindly follow my COMMANDER IN CHIEF. He is my boss I follow orders
now comes the obligatory line: if he ordered you to jump out of an airplane without a parachute would you?
I feel we should be over there.
yet several sentences later you go on to say:
This war is for no reason
so you're saying its a just cause to start a war without reason, spending billions of tax dollars just because we can blow shit up?
Yes I think these people that are all anti war anti bush etc for the most part are cock suckers, no not all, but a lot.
what makes them a cocksucker as you so eloquently put it? the fact that they have a differing opinion from you?

I'd really appreciate it if this guy would call me a cocksucker to my face. Being in the airforce doesn't make you any tougher or braver than I.

Yes I would to your face, I never said you werent any braver or tougher then I. But Im allowed my opinion. You have yours I have mine. And I said alot are not all.

Andy this war has no reason, complete the sentence I wrote. I said This war has no reason, we took out Saddam now we are assisting. A typo Because I meant a ? after reason. but you still didnt complete the sentence. If it is a lawful order yes I will follow it. Like I am trained to do. We follow orders that are lawful and better the unit, the nation, and the mission. And the cock sucker as I put it, I think yes people can be, now it being a couple hours I realized that wasnt the best choice of words, I was a little mad and chose something that was innappropriate. But I still feel we should be over there I still think we are doing the right thing but that is my opinion

Originally Posted by Andy351
when the heathen Red hoardes are landing on the beaches and my freedom is threatened, i will be charging them head first, guns blazing. until then, i'll just be another arm chair soldier.
We stopped practicing isolationism back in WWII. Thus the change in 1947 from the War Department to the Department of Defense.

Originally Posted by 94_chickentaco
Why are we still there? Bad man saddam is gone, halliburton got the contract, we re-aligned their money and government

If we leave w/o having a strong democratic government we will run the chance of having another thug runned government that could possibly sponsor terrorist. Like Afgahnistan. Everyone needs to understand that we will be there for a long time. Most of these people have had very little education and can't be expected to grasp the concept of what is happening in their country. They have had no independent media, so when some of these terrorist start running their mouth, selling their propaganda of course the uneducated have a tendacy to side with them. This isn't about right over wrong with them this is about power and control. These leaders are no better then Hitler, Milosevic, Kim Jong, Saddam, etc. They all want power and control. Last time I checked we are still in the old Yugoslavia (Bosnia, Kosovo) region because of another opressor. No complaints there. So, if we didn't find any WMDs we still liberated a country that was opressed. Before you jump on me Bush should have went with the liberation and violation of UN resolutions arguement and not the WMDs. For the people in the military that have been in this confrontation for the last 13 years this was a long time coming.

I do agree that we should have a better plan on how to unite this country. We also need the help of the people in that country. Without their desire to be free and to fight for that freedom there is very little we can do to help them.
Oh, and don't kid yourself that if Kerry gets elected in office this will all come to a screeching halt. It won't. Foreign policy does not, historically, have dramatic change from one President to another. We are over there and we will have to stay. No matter what your opinion on the policy of this administration please take the time to vote. Not only for the Presidency but also Congress and other local representatives. This is freedom.

:beer :beer :beer :beer :beer :beer

hmmm......... just to change the subject........

Can I fit 33's on my stock Bronco???

:histerica :usa

I hope Bush wins again in 04. Since we are losing around 100 guys a week I'm sure they'll start up the draft real soon. Then I'll get to go fight for some asshole texan's private interests!! Yay!

The Bushs are not really Texans. The are originally from Maine. The Sheites are the same assholes the grabbed the Americans from the Embassy in Iran in 79 and cost Carter the reelection. The are also the Assholes that the Reagan/Bush boys were helping Saddam fight in the 80s. We should just bomb the hell out of them some more and leave and let THEM rebuild. If they keep grabbing hostages, tell them to turn them loose or Bomb Mecca.

Edit: I think Bush and Kerry are both assholes.

tell them to turn them loose or Bomb Mecca.

I hope you were joking...

Do you know how many good, law abiding Muslim American citizens we have here? And how many non terrorist Muslims there are around the world?

Same shit, different thread title.

At least we live in a country that let's us publicly disagree with the government without fear of ending up in jail or dead. :usa


SrATex- Thanks for serving
Andy- Very well put, I hope you get to marry you life partner legally someday :goodfinge

94 XLT - Search :slap

Yes I would to your face, I never said you werent any braver or tougher then I. But Im allowed my opinion. You have yours I have mine. And I said alot are not all.

So how the **** does that qualify me as a cocksucker?

94 XLT - Search :slap

It was a joke man..... :twak tryin to lighten the mood in this thread.....obviously didn't work........

It was a joke man..... :twak tryin to lighten the mood in this thread.....obviously didn't work........


Psst- I know :brownbag I just didn't want you to feel un-noticed :thumbup

Some good points made by all (well OK, most) But what it all boils down too is if we leave now we'll have to go back in 10 years and do it all over again. The millitants belive we have no stomache for carnage, that our people can't stand sacrafice. If we pull out and just let them have it thats the way we look. We have to stand strong and stand united because they will and have attacked every chink in our armor.
I'm tired of the retoric and name calling the from the millitants that say we're not honorable and and that we're cowards. We're not the ones hiding behind our women and children.
It's been said the best thing a ruler can do for his country is to start a war with the US. First we whip they're ass then rebuild they're country with our hard earned tax dollars. What part of set for life don't they understand?
Nuke em all, let God or Allah or Buddah sort em out cause it's beginning to wear thin. :usa

So how the **** does that qualify me as a cocksucker?


well if you pay attention to my posts I said I would to your face cause you said you wish I would. And I never directly called you a cocksucker as I said before I still said alot of people that are all protesting everything. And also as I said I was upset and I chose the wrong words, so I apologize if I ticked you off.

bnkrtstk-very true.

96Bronc-thank you, you said what I was trying without being mad

Look me being a 20 y/o, all my life all I have known has been the military. I have had at least one family memer in every war or conflict this country was in starting at the reveloutionary war. My father just hit 20 years in the army, myself 2 years in the AF. Out of 20 years my fathers was deployed or TDY approx 13 years total. That means 13 years of my life I had no father around. He has served in Korea, the first Gulf War, first wave into Bosnia, and also was in Kosovo. All the places we are in. I know what it is like for troops to be gone, not knowing what will happen to them. I am a very military minded person. And when I start talking politics I can loose my cool. I, personally, am very pro Bush. I do not want another anti-military president in office. I saw what Clinton did to the military. He closed a lot of bases. San Antonio, when I was there lost a lot of civilian jobs the military provided because of him. I have no problem standing up for my president, my military, my country, and my family/friends. I apologize I lost my cool, I am just strong minded when it comes to these things and will argue just about anyone on it.