Parts used in the ZF Tranmission Swap. Was on the "other" board. Been off the web for a while. Working on finals and the truck. Went to MBB and noticed that everyone I knew was gone. So here it is feel free to ask any questions. I will probaly be fabbing up the transmission mounts for sale that raises the transfer case about 1.5" Stay Tuned.

Part Part# Source Cost

ZF S5-42 Ford/Junkyard Used $600
Rebuild ZF: seals, bearings, synchros LP Gear $500
Flywheel E8TR-AA Ford/Junkyard/Call Franklin
New $406
Used $40
Franklin $185
Flywheel Bolts MRG 912 Heinz Bros $8.75
Tranny Bolts 2- 1" Shorter than stock Heinz Bros $2.00
Pilot Bearing AutoZone 7.99

Internal Clutch Slave YL5Z7A5008AA Ford $66.65
Hydralic Hose F3TZ-7A512-A Ford $42.95
Slave Cylinder Ford $62.29
Internal Clutch Slave Bolts Interstate Bolt $1.00

Clutch Disc CEN218226 Heinz Bros / Centerforce II $72.25
Pressure Plate CENCFT360049 Heinz Bros / Centerforce II $150.66
PP Bolts 3/8/18-1" Heinz Bros $5.95

Pedals 92-96 F150/Bronco J&T Automotive Used $35.00
Floor Pan 92-96 F150/Bronco J&T Automotive Used $20.00
ZF Shifter/Boot 92-96 F250 w/351 J&T Automotive Used $35.00
Driveshafts: +63mm in the rear, -63mm in the front
Need to use a wire jumper to bypass the neutral safety switch.

Phone #'s:
J&T Automotive 1-800-274-8090
Heinz Bros 1-704-872-8081
These prices will probaly be cheaper than most can find because I am running this through Corley Body Works, my brother-in-law's shop. But it will give you a good ball park.

Everything works fine. The truck may work better with a manual computer, will try when I go to J&T. But it is great and I recommend it highly.

Later, Jeff

pop quiz.... who makes the ZF transmission??













MITSU??

Just wondering....

they are made for ford by germany.
Ford sells them.....
It is not mitsucrapshi :roll:

pop quiz.... who makes the ZF transmission??



MITSU??

Just wondering....

Funny. You are thinking about the pos known as the M5OD which is what Ford used in 1/2 ton applications, 302 only. The ZF is made by a company in Germany and specializes in heavy duty trannies.

nope I was thinking of a 5 speed manual, but it must be one they only put in Rangers. I was just wondering if the ZF was its big brother or something. The one im thinkin of isnt really a bad tranny..... but it must just be for a ranger.

OK found the tranny I was thinking of... im not loosing it they really put a Mitsu tranny in an 86 ranger between the 2.3 and BW1350 lol

OK found the tranny I was thinking of... im not loosing it they really put a Mitsu tranny in an 86 ranger between the 2.3 and BW1350 lol

Ford also used Mazda transmissions in those trucks

Yes, one or the other.

yeah there were about 4 man trans options there in the rangers. most were not very good if you put any power in front of them, and didint seem to be very interchangeable.
I have one of those ZF's in my 84 bmw. i have been told it can handle 300HP, but am far from that...

Franklin, do you know the kind of torque the ZF can take max?

Subscribed.

And when I did some looking into this swap a while back I thought I came across 3 different ZF's available.

Somebody correct me, its been a while but isn't there like a 420, a 470, and then one thats rated at around 500.

I've never driven or ridden in a truck with one of these trany's, does anybody know how they shift. Like if a person was feeling kind of racy can ya shift these things fast with out problem or ???? Just curious and I realize you've got a longer shifter to move, but besides that. Synchro / gear wise.........

The M5OD was in both the rangers and the F-150s. One was designated as R1 and the other R2. I think the F-150 is the R2. It was used for the 300 and the 302. I don't know of a F-150 with a 351 and the M5OD.

The ZF is availible as a SB or a BB denoted by a 25 (BB) or a 35(SB) on the bellhousing. The ZF was also availible with at least two internal ratios. As for torque, Ford puts it behind their Diesel trucks I think including the F-450.

I changed out the E4OD in my 93 with a M5OD. the ZF is the same length and uses mostly the same parts in the swap. Read my writeup with pics on http://www.broncodata.com/mods/modconversion.htm

I've never driven or ridden in a truck with one of these trany's, does anybody know how they shift. Like if a person was feeling kind of racy can ya shift these things fast with out problem or ???? Just curious and I realize you've got a longer shifter to move, but besides that. Synchro / gear wise.........

It shifts like a truck, pretty long throw and all. Its not a "racy type" tranny w. quick shifts and all.

No idea on torque max, but stock diesel put out about 425 and the same internal parts are used SB and bb/diesel versions.

The ZF was also availble behind the 460 and Diesel so it will take a lot. My brother in law has an 89 F250 with 351 and the ZF. Its a truck tranny and shifts like one as stated above with a long shift throw. For a work/trail Bronco that will be pulling a trailer often, palying in the rock or mud every weekend I'd look for the ZF (looking for one now for my 86). For a DD that spends 95% of its time on the tar the M5OD would be more fun to drive.

For a DD that spends 95% of its time on the tar the M5OD would be more fun to drive. Better ratios the reasoning here????

Or should I have said, better ratios for the street? :scratchhe

This page http://www.broncodata.com/reference/trannym.htm says the 1st gear on ZF is 4.14, but if I do indeed have a T18 (still haven't confirmed), I have somewhere between 4-6.32 already.

Have a Jeep friend who did a 8.8 axle swap and a regear to 4.56, but they start low around 3...

This page http://www.broncodata.com/reference/trannym.htm says the 1st gear on ZF is 4.14, but if I do indeed have a T18 (still haven't confirmed), I have somewhere between 4-6.32 already.

Have a Jeep friend who did a 8.8 axle swap and a regear to 4.56, but they start low around 3...
the two on the page are backwards i belive, its the Diesel that has the close gear ratio.

In your parts list for the ZF Transplant, you mention the wire to crossover the neutral safety switch? Can you explain the wiring diagram for this.

I'm doing a F350 Diesel C6 auto to a ZF 5 speed. I've got the new flywheel on and the dealer told me to start the truck b-4 putting the pressure plate and clutch in. He told me to check for vibration, then put the pressure plate and clutch in and start the truck again to check. Anyway I can't start the truck without the Neutral Safety switch shut off. The plug is a 4 wire square plug.

Thanks

Tim

i have an 87 bronco with a np435 with a 460 out of a 96 f350 that had an e4od. i took the under hood wiring out of the 96 f350 so i got really close with the wiring of the trucks.

the nuetral safety switch is the same circuit as the clutch safety switch. in simple terms when you turn the key the signal goes to the clutch safety switch, which is jumpered in an auto, then down to the tranny which is jumpered for a stick. (somewhere it hits the EEC too.)

the wire that goes over to the solinod is red with light blue

on the plug for the tranny if there are two that are red with ltblue, jumper them and it should turn over. if not pm me with the wire colors and i should be able to figure it out.

(three years ago i wouldn't have even had to pull my wiring diagrams to answer this)

nathan

In your parts list for the ZF Transplant, you mention the wire to crossover the neutral safety switch? Can you explain the wiring diagram for this.

I'm doing a F350 Diesel C6 auto to a ZF 5 speed. I've got the new flywheel on and the dealer told me to start the truck b-4 putting the pressure plate and clutch in. He told me to check for vibration, then put the pressure plate and clutch in and start the truck again to check. Anyway I can't start the truck without the Neutral Safety switch shut off. The plug is a 4 wire square plug.

Thanks

Tim

pop quiz.... who makes the ZF transmission??

ZF Lemförder Fahrwerktechnik AG & Co. KG makes the ZF trans. Heavy equiptment manufacturer out of germany as stated above. They also make the ZF portal axles which Bigfoot runs!

Later,
Jason

i have an 87 bronco with a np435 with a 460 out of a 96 f350 that had an e4od. i took the under hood wiring out of the 96 f350 so i got really close with the wiring of the trucks.

the nuetral safety switch is the same circuit as the clutch safety switch. in simple terms when you turn the key the signal goes to the clutch safety switch, which is jumpered in an auto, then down to the tranny which is jumpered for a stick. (somewhere it hits the EEC too.)

the wire that goes over to the solinod is red with light blue

on the plug for the tranny if there are two that are red with ltblue, jumper them and it should turn over. if not pm me with the wire colors and i should be able to figure it out.

(three years ago i wouldn't have even had to pull my wiring diagrams to answer this)

nathan


Nathan,

Thanks I'm going to give it a try today and will let you know if it works.

Tim

ZF Lemförder Fahrwerktechnik AG & Co. KG makes the ZF trans. Heavy equiptment manufacturer out of germany as stated above. They also make the ZF portal axles which Bigfoot runs!

They must have changed their name... AFAIK, ZF stood for Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen AG (Friedrichshafen Gear Factory).

FWIW, the all new Range and Land Rover Discovery 3 have ZF transmissions, TCs and diffs... Very strong and reliable...

Does anyone know the difference in the casting numbers of the trannies? I have a guy who found one for me but I have not seen it. He does not know which it is and I would like to know before I have him pull it out if it is a ZF or the M50D.

Chris

Mazda = horizontal and vertical ribs.
ZF5 = diagonal ribs and PTO cover

Awwwww...thats AWESOME...Thanks. I was trying to figure a way to describe it better than "it has three rubber/plastic holes at the back of the shifter. I still would like to hook it up with a NV4500.

Chris

I'm getting ready to ditch my POS E4OD for the ZF... does anyone know if my t-case linkage will bolt up? Thanks!

Yay! :cry:cry

I wish I did a little research before I jumped into the repair/restore of my baby. It came with the crappy M50D behind the 302. Slipped out of 3rd and Rev. Syncros were fawked. Being new to the truck I opted to replace it. So I bought a jasper rebuilt M5OD P.O.S. The first one lasted all of a day and a 1/2. It completely dropped 2nd gear and got stuck between 3rd and and neutral. I hauled it back to my mechanic and a few days later got another P.O.S. No charge! :banghead:banghead, It was finally working. Though I still get a shimmy sound when I shift into 2nd and 3rd. :shrug

Frankley, I am unhappy with the swap.

:smilie_slap
^= Me

Should have done a little research and gotten a ZF-5. With my planned future mods. The M5OD was a mistake and a beginner one too. I have a tranny for sale if anyone wants it.

D

Awwwww...thats AWESOME...Thanks. I was trying to figure a way to describe it better than "it has three rubber/plastic holes at the back of the shifter. I still would like to hook it up with a NV4500.

Chris

WTF are you talking about?

The ZF and NV4500 are BOTH transmissions........

:twak

Does anyone know what the vacuum line that goes to the auto brake pedal is for and whether or not I need it with the ZF. The bracket won't bolt up to the manual trans pedal assembly. Thanks!

EDIT: Never mind.... just realized it's for the cruise control.

Funny. You are thinking about the pos known as the M5OD which is what Ford used in 1/2 ton applications, 302 only. The ZF is made by a company in Germany and specializes in heavy duty trannies.

M5OD is by Mazda, which is owned by Ford, so really it's a Ford transmission as much as you look at it. Don't be knockin' it either, mine still works great at 127,000 miles and many other people at much higher mileages and no rebuilds.

If its rebuilt right, it's fine. Too many guys that get it rebuilt and then complain about it take it to those cheap transmission shops, and then wonder why it sucks...

Funny. You are thinking about the pos known as the M5OD which is what Ford used in 1/2 ton applications, 302 only. The ZF is made by a company in Germany and specializes in heavy duty trannies.



Ohh man. You are a genius. My F-150 has an I6 and a M5OD. I saw another truck with the same setup (I6/M5OD) yesterday. My tranny works flawlessly at 139,000 miles.

I'm gonna avoid the Mazda vs. Germany argument, and ask whether anybody is aware of a zf5 that shifts quickly, smoothly. I'd like to do a manual conversion from my e40d if I can get it to shift nicely (I had an almost 300hp 2005 nissan frontier with a 6 speed and that was fuuuun). Is there anyone racing on/offroad with these trannys?

I had an O.D. 4 speed manual (4 +O.D.) in a 89 f250 7.3/navstar banks turbo'd diesel and the shifts were excruciatingly slow and quite far from smooth when you went through gears quickly but I'm not sure which tranny that was.

I'm getting ready to ditch my POS E4OD for the ZF... does anyone know if my t-case linkage will bolt up? Thanks!

You can make it work

I'm gonna avoid the Mazda vs. Germany argument, and ask whether anybody is aware of a zf5 that shifts quickly, smoothly.



there is no such thing as a zf shifting smoothly and quickly.. sorry but they are excellent transmissions