Well, a jillion women marched in the National Mall in Washington, DC today. Among them was Whoopi Goldberg, who shouldn't worry about ever getting pregnant. I think the whole march was crap. Tons of pro-life and pro-choice bitches all screaming and yelling at each other in the streets. People getting arrested for being morons. They looked like a bunch of children. Then there was this pro-life dude that had a fetus in a jar. The cops arrested him and charged him with "keeping or exhibiting a dead body or parts". Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if a fetus is a dead body, then isn't abortion MURDER? :shrug

What about the new laws that are being implemented in the Unborn Victims' Act or whatever it's called? Isn't that supposed to make it so murderers can be charged with additional counts of murder per unborn baby? Doesn't that effectively outlaw abortion? I don't see how someone can be charged with killing an unborn child if someone can go to a doctor and have their child killed. I understand that murder is malicious and abortion I guess isn't...but, whether or not someone wants to keep their baby distinguishes between legal abortion and murder? I, as you can probably tell by what I'm saying, am strongly opposed to abortion. Since I'm not a woman, I'm not doing anything about my opinion (other than posting this). I'll leave it up to the women to decide what's best I guess.

P.S. Do you guys know how an abortion is performed? From my understanding of it, there are pretty much two ways to abort a baby. The first way is a pill that keeps the woman's body from supporting the baby and then ejecting it from her body. The surgical method involves the fetus being removed from the body, a needle inserted into it's head, and all the brain matter sucked right out of it. And it goes in the trash.

P.P.S. If I'm wrong on any of this, please correct me (nicely :toothless ). I'm no expert on this topic at all, I just don't think it sounds like a great procedure.

just don't do a google search for dead baby pics. that shit is downright disgusting.

Fetus aborted during 2nd month of pregnancy (http://www.yahoo.com)






















Ok, just kidding, that's Yahoo! But yeah, don't go looking at any of those pictures. :uke: :uke: :uke:

P.S. Do you guys know how an abortion is performed? From my understanding of it, there are pretty much two ways to abort a baby. The first way is a pill that keeps the woman's body from supporting the baby and then ejecting it from her body. The surgical method involves the fetus being removed from the body, a needle inserted into it's head, and all the brain matter sucked right out of it. And it goes in the trash.

P.P.S. If I'm wrong on any of this, please correct me (nicely :toothless ). I'm no expert on this topic at all, I just don't think it sounds like a great procedure.

Not exactly right. The pill method can only be used within the first 7 weeks. It doesn't so much "eject" as disable the fertilized egg from attaching to the lining of the uterus. Causing it to be naturally expelled from the body - just like a normal menses.

There are several "surgical" methods. The whole aspiration thing is bunk. Generally, a small tube sucks out the tissue in the uterus. Sometimes, they have to scrape the tissue. In the second or third trimester, they may "induce" labor, to get the body to naturally release the fetus.

This is an uncomfortable subject for alot of people. I will just add that I read that John Kerry is running on a presidential ticket that supports pro choice, although he personally is opposed to abortion. Huh?

Jackharts right, it is uncomfortable. Like myself I am not for abortion. However I still toss the idea in my head whether we should allow rape victim to abort if that was the case. But just some girl getting pregnant not wanting it I think is wrong for sure

This is an uncomfortable subject for alot of people. I will just add that I read that John Kerry is running on a presidential ticket that supports pro choice, although he personally is opposed to abortion. Huh?

There's a lot of women who are pro-choice but are personally opposed to abortion, as well.

Many people don't seem to realize that when it comes right down to it, there's a big difference between pro-life and pro-choice. Pro-lifers get wrapped up in the idea that those that are pro-choice are all about murdering fetuses and are morally wrong and bad people. But what they fail to understand is that being pro-choice isn't about being pro-abortion, it is about a woman's right to choose and a woman's right to privacy and the idea that no male-dominated government should be allowed to dictate that right to her.

The thing we need to face is that regardless of whether abortion is illegal or not, it's still going to occur. There are too many what if's involved to make it completely illegal - what if she's a victim of rape or incest, what if the child puts a mother's life in danger? Completely outlawing has the potential to kill a whole lot more people than leaving it alone.

I think it needs to be like gun control, where's there's restrictions on it.

3 things that are difficult post:

Religion Politics Abortion

We all have strong feelings on these topics and end up being
a heated discussion.

Oh, real quick, as far as the new laws that are being passed (the Unborn Victim's Act, or Connor's Law, I think it's called & the partial-birth abortions thing) they are simply products of the conservative government. If this government stays in place, there's a good chance Roe v. Wade will be turned over simply because of quite a few things:

1. The above bills that have recently been written into laws.
2. The stacking of lower appeals courts with ultra-conservative judges that Bush has attempted and partially succeeded in doing since he took office.
3. The balance of the Supreme Court. The last time the court considered overruling Roe v Wade in 1992, it just struck down that consideration 5 to 4. There have been rumors floating around of a possible high court retirement, which could initiate the appointment of an ultra conservative judge and thus upset the balance of power.

I'm pro-choice but could never have an abortion. This is probably one of the only reasons I'm staunchly against Bush for re-election.

And since this is an uncomfortable subject, I'm leaving it at that. It's what I believe and an opinion I'm entitled to. I won't argue with anyone about it nor will I change my mind. Everyone can believe how they feel, that's why we live in America. :thumbup

Not exactly right. The pill method can only be used within the first 7 weeks. It doesn't so much "eject" as disable the fertilized egg from attaching to the lining of the uterus. Causing it to be naturally expelled from the body - just like a normal menses.

There are several "surgical" methods. The whole aspiration thing is bunk. Generally, a small tube sucks out the tissue in the uterus. Sometimes, they have to scrape the tissue. In the second or third trimester, they may "induce" labor, to get the body to naturally release the fetus.

Lovely.

But thanks for shedding a little more light on this topic Astra.

I am pro choice. I pose this question to those who are against abortion.

What do you do with a child whose mother is unfit to raise it?
Put it in a orphanage which are already clogged?
Or let the unfit mother raise it and neglect it, or abuse it?

People are going to have sex. Women are going to get pregnat because of it. It is better to abort, than to raise a child in a inhumane way or stick it in a goverment system where it will be just another number. This is just my opinion. I am not here to piss anyone off or start a war. This is just my rational to justify abortion. It is not right for a fetus to die, but it is better for a unborn fetus, rather than a born baby, or child dying form abuse, or neglect. Just something to think about anyway, not trying to change anyones opinion.

Lovely.
But thanks for shedding a little more light on this topic Astra.

:shrug You asked. And you're welcome. :thumbup

This is an uncomfortable subject for alot of people.

Exactly why I left out my opinion. :brownbag

I don't think you're gonna start a war. Usually, I get all pumped up and argue topics..but I don't have a very strong opinion of this one. It sounds wrong to me, but then again, I'm not a woman and wouldn't know. I'm pretty naive on the whole topic of pregnancy altogether. Good points on the government system and being just another number. Now I'm not really sure what to think. :shrug

I wouldn't enjoy doing it, but like everything else got helped us invent it, i would feel terrible if i got a girl pregnant, but i would much rather stop the pregnancy process before it ruined all three of our lives.

how about some dead baby jokes to lighten the mood? :toothless

:lolup

Ya I heard about that, the march was also like all of them to bash Bush, but I think its funny Bush had his worst week last week and his approval went up 1%. A yale poll I saw had bush winning by like 12% without including Nader

Ya kerry is one confused politician the more he talks the dumber he sounds

how about some dead baby jokes to lighten the mood? :toothless
god dam it u beat me to it :banghead

I am like yall just kinda poking at this subject. Even though yall know me as being just as bad as oregonbronco on standing up for bush at times, I dont like abortion but sometimes there is no choice. I really dont know, hopefully I will never have to worry about it, already be married and wanting a child by then

the thing is this. the reason that it should be legal is so a woman doesnt end up in a back alley with a coat hanger up inside of her trying to abort her pregnancy. its a matter of choice that i think should be left up to the woman. but it should be legal and safe and available. i dont think that it should be used as a contraceptive. wear a rubber, hell wear two. dont be a frequent flyer at the abortion clinic

Former Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop stated "We now know when life begins because the test-tube baby proves that life begins with conception. What do you have in the dish? An egg and a sperm. What do you add to it to get a baby? Nothing." Though it is wee, it is still a real person, just as a crumb of bread is still real bread. No one who has been given the gift of life should dare despise the day of small beginnings. Have we forgotten so quickly that we were once as small?

I got this off a site and it sure makes me wonder... These babies aren't even being given a chance. Was every aborted baby doomed to a terrible life from the start? Who is to say how the baby will grow up? There can be so many different turns the path can take in determining the fate of a child. Maybe some people are unfit to be parents, maybe some people think they're unfit to be parents, maybe some people just can't afford it, but many make do and turn out good kids. I'm just not sure if anyone should be making the choice as to whether this kid gets a chance or not.

P.S. I really started this thread because I wanted to make fun of those bitches in the streets.

I don't think you're gonna start a war. Usually, I get all pumped up and argue topics..but I don't have a very strong opinion of this one. It sounds wrong to me, but then again, I'm a woman and wouldn't know. I'm pretty naive on the whole topic of pregnancy altogether. Good points on the government system and being just another number. Now I'm not really sure what to think. :shrug

I'll keep my opinion on this matter to myself, but I did find the above interesting. I would think as a woman, you would know.

Whoops.