: Repair Manual for Massey Ferguson 65 Tractor (New pics/Questions)


Gacknar
02-10-2011, 01:31 PM
This is a LOOOONG shot, but maybe some of you have farm tractors and can help me out.

My Dad left me a plot of land we call "The Farm" and a MF65 tractor to do "Farm Wok"

Well the tractor has never had an operational alternator, or gauges. It has started sputtering when it gets off camber, and I don't think it has ever had a fluid or filter change of any kind since my Dad bought......And last week I tried to swap the bush-hog for the boom pole and the hydrolic system would barley lift the bush-hog.

I need to do some work on this thing and I know nothing about it's anatomy, so I need to learn, and to do that I need a good repair manual.

I have found a few online, but have no idea if any are better than others.

Example
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0872883760/tractordata-20


Any advice?

Mels
02-10-2011, 02:20 PM
A friend of mine has actually gotten into restoring a couple of those Massey tractors. His are like 1950 models I think. I can ask him.

There's also a tractor forum... www.MyTractorForum.com
Might be able to find some stuff there.

Rockford514
02-10-2011, 03:16 PM
If you are not restoring it look at a GM 1 wire self exciting alternator.I have put them on a few old tractors.
There 45ish from Advance.

Hydraulics ,Look around the lift lever.Most times there a valve or another lever that puts it in a float mode.It want lift well in float.

Traveler
02-10-2011, 03:54 PM
Where are the pics? That is the only reason I opened this thread.

Ditto on the convert the alternator. Those old systems didn't work for long when they were new.

The rest is common sense, but yeah for a manual, eBay, or post up on a site like

You need to determine if it has live hydraulics, or if it is just low on fluid, or the lift cylinder is bad.

I would bet there are even yahoo groups or sites dedicated to those old masseys

Gacknar
02-10-2011, 04:06 PM
I'll post a pic later. :toothless

mudshovel74
02-10-2011, 04:54 PM
x3 on the alternator. as for the guages just replace the essentials with manual as i beileve the masseys used electric. theres a company called jensales that offers almost all american farm tractor repair manuals, not sure of a website a quick google search should reveal it. as for the hydraulics ive seen plenty of things ranging from wrong fluid to super plugged filters. if its one of those two then i hope you catch it in time before the pump crapped out.

8t6bronco
02-10-2011, 07:14 PM
Was the lift jerky when it was raising up, or just slow? We have a late 60s model 165 Massey that the lift jerks on badly if you don't grease where the lift arms mount to the cylinder(top of arms under tractor seat)

Look under the gas tank where the fuel shutoff is, there should be a glass bell there to catch sediment from the tank, it more than likely is full of all kinds of nasty stuff that needs to be cleaned out. The gravity flow carb is probably gummed up from fuel setting in it, causing some of the sputtering. Clean it up and check the tank for rust.

Gacknar
02-12-2011, 12:38 AM
Pic of tractor

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/850972/original/dsc04290.jpg

adrianspeeder
02-12-2011, 07:12 AM
Ooo, that's nice!

Fixing all your same problems on a '41 Farmall right now.

Adrianspeeder

86BlackedoutBronco
02-12-2011, 09:24 AM
Where are the pics? That is the only reason I opened this thread.

Ditto on the convert the alternator. Those old systems didn't work for long when they were new.

The rest is common sense, but yeah for a manual, eBay, or post up on a site like

You need to determine if it has live hydraulics, or if it is just low on fluid, or the lift cylinder is bad.

I would bet there are even yahoo groups or sites dedicated to those old masseys

So, generators never worked? Explain that, cause we never have a problem with them, and they seemed to work fine until the electrical needs exceeded what they could do.

Gak, need more pics!!!

Gacknar
02-12-2011, 10:28 PM
Gak, need more pics!!!I'll see what I can do :thumbup

86BlackedoutBronco
02-17-2011, 03:42 AM
The starter looks original. And does it have a generator or alternator?

Traveler
02-17-2011, 11:46 AM
So, generators never worked?

That is not what I said, geez who pissed in your wheaties?


Let me put it this way so FSB will understand it.

Generators = TTB

I think the tractor is cute, we need to get one for the kids. LOL

Gacknar
02-17-2011, 12:00 PM
Generator, next project after the lift and all fluids changed.

Well, I bought the manual listed above and it really, really sucks. It is hard to read and does not list the basics. For example, it tells you the capacity off the tranny/axle/hydraulic system, but not where to drain it, or fill it. Fortunately I can look at it and guess where, but it would be nice to be reassured.

Or under the generator fore diagnosis it does not list a single test procedure, just specs and tolerances.

But I did learn that it has power steering :toothless
I should really put some fluid in that... By the way what is Type-A transmission fluid?

I do think I know whats wrong with the lift, it uses the transmissions gear oil as hydraulic fluid. One of the shifter boots is cracked and may have let rain water in the transmission, it was cold, water freezes, hard to pump ice.

Hopefully an 8-GALLON fluid swap will solve the problem and there is no actual damage. Shifter boots will be replaced, and the tractor will be parked in one of the horse stalls instead of out in the elements.

Gacknar
02-17-2011, 12:07 PM
I think the tractor is cute, we need to get one for the kids. LOLDoes that mean Y'all have something a little more...... Imposing?
(I'm going to guess, yes :toothless)

I also have an old Cat 977 Tracked Front end loader out there that has not moved in 10 yrs and is sitting outside. I have no idea what to do with, or about it.

My dad swore if I changed the batteries, cleaned the sediment bowl, and changed the fuel that it would start and run. I find that to be dubious at best.

magnumpi
02-17-2011, 12:08 PM
Is that thing gas powered?

We have a few old tractors like that at work. They are pretty simple. Im sure if you poke around on it enough you can figure out everything you need to know.

What year is it? We have some OLD massey manuals at work....

Gacknar
02-17-2011, 12:42 PM
Is that thing gas powered?Yes

Im sure if you poke around on it enough you can figure out everything you need to know.The problem is time, it's 20 miles from my home, and 45miles away from my work. The only way to poke around with it is to load it on the trailer and tow it to my house. And I have to store it wile it's there. But that's what I am going to have to do.

What year is it?I have no idea, I dont think it matters.
An MF-65 is and MF-65 from what I am gathering.

Gacknar
02-18-2011, 02:47 PM
Does anybody sell 90w gear oil in 3gal or 5gal containers?

Traveler
02-18-2011, 03:06 PM
Tractor supply probably, otherwise I think most parts stores have 5 gallon pails in the back.

bodo
02-18-2011, 03:07 PM
Does anybody sell 90w gear oil in 3gal or 5gal containers?

Our Co-op does and I believe tractor supply sells 5 gallon buckets.

magnumpi
02-18-2011, 10:23 PM
no go on the manual....


Any heavy truck shop or farm supply store should sell gear oil in at least 5 gallon buckets, if not bigger.

See if you have a fleet pride close by. They are usually pretty cheap, and knowledgeable

Gacknar
02-27-2011, 12:35 PM
A few more pics
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/853773/fullsize/dsc04921.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/853774/fullsize/dsc04922.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/853775/fullsize/dsc04926.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/853776/fullsize/dsc04927.jpg







And now time for some Dumb questions.

Is this cap where the engine oil goes or where the power steering fluid goes?
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/853777/fullsize/dsc04928.jpg
It's right with what the manual says is the power steering reservoir, but it looks like it goes into the crankcase.

If this is where the power steering fluid goes, where the heck does the engine oil go?

If this is where the engine oil goes, do you check/fill the power steering system by removing the reservoir lid?


This is really making me feel like an idiot. :toothless

Brimmstone
02-27-2011, 04:24 PM
The engine oil goes in the the smaller round cap marked oil. Power steering goes in the large round bucket looking thing with the hoses. This site should have any parts or manuals you need.
http://www.valu-bilt.com/

Gacknar
03-22-2011, 06:27 PM
Had a few minutes to toy with the tractor over the weekend.

Power steering reservoir was completely dry, filled it and it does have operational power steering.

Confirmed Tranny/Diff/Hydraulic gear oil is full of water, will change it this coming weekend, hopefully that will fix the lift.

Once I get that squared away I want to fix the genny or swap to an alternator.

Gacknar
03-31-2011, 01:12 PM
Drained the gearbox, it has two drain plugs. The front one released a nasty milky mix of water and gear oil. The rear one was all most pure water for several seconds. Refilled with fresh gear oil and wallah, the hydraulics work and are strong enough to lift the bush-hog with a grown man standing at the far end.

Yay :toothless

One thing down, 500 to go.

Gacknar
05-16-2011, 12:33 PM
Tractor has been running good.
Still need to do an alty swap to it.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/868170/fullsize/brian1.jpg


Please note, that's not me on it. :toothless

magnumpi
05-17-2011, 12:11 PM
Glad to hear its running well. Tractors in general are pretty tuff. They are the one thing that doesn't normally break in our fleet at work, despite the abuse our non-trained operators give them.

Whenever i see a dude on a tractor I automatically think "Green Acres"

bigTXbronco
05-17-2011, 03:46 PM
and to do that I need a good repair manual.

I have found a few online, but have no idea if any are better than others.

Example
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0872883760/tractordata-20


Any advice?

Finding an original manual (in decent shape) for that would probably be pretty hard.

The one you bought (amazon ad ^) looks like a clymer publishing. You need an actual OE manual. Which like i said is probably hard to find. But there are plenty of reproductions of the OE manual.

This is the book you need (this is a reproduction)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Massey-Ferguson-MF65-Gas-Diesel-Service-Manual-MF-65-/300507914901?pt=BI_Books_Manuals&hash=item45f7aae295

:beer