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killerklown
05-22-2004, 05:49 PM
I'm looking for a rear axle for my '95, to handle the 36's. I'm hearing it from all sieds on what to get, you know.
Dana 60 or 70, Sterling 10.25 or 10.5. I was just wondering as long as it has the VSS on it, is there any differance between those used on F 250s/350s vs E 250'S/350'S?
Maybe it would be easier to locate a good one here in WI for a good price if I had more options.
Thanks

MikeW
05-22-2004, 09:53 PM
Search www.car-parts.com

Canadian Bronco
05-22-2004, 11:11 PM
i have 36's with a 9 inch.

just get a nine and truss it with chromoly axles :D

(i need to find a truss)

plug ugly
05-22-2004, 11:50 PM
no 9's came with vss, so that was no help

SquattyD
05-23-2004, 12:14 AM
10.5 is metric bolt pattern i believe.

i would try to find a d60 with the tone ring. with just 36's youll want the clearance. and i think its easier to find a 60 than a 70 with the ring.

Canadian Bronco
05-23-2004, 12:44 AM
no 9's came with vss, so that was no help
Missed the VSS


my friends 91 has a 9" (we swapped from a 8.8) and the speedo still works and we never touched anything....
(5 speed BW Tcase 1351?

RTM
05-23-2004, 07:02 PM
I believe 92 was the first year for the VSS/electronic speed-o.

Cody
05-23-2004, 09:12 PM
it was a manual trans
that is how it worked i think

Andy351
05-23-2004, 09:25 PM
I believe 92 was the first year for the VSS/electronic speed-o.
wrong. 92 is just the first year that it was in the rearend. before that it was in the t-case. before 92, the only reason you would have a tone ring in the rearend is if you had RABS. (the ABS unit and VSS unit use the same ring tho and the rearends will interchange AFAIK; i am running a rearend from a 94 in mine and everything including the plug looked identical to my 89 rearend.)

has anyone figured out if the rumor about van rears being offset is true? i remember hearing about that a long time ago, (i think keith brought it up) but it was never mentioned again :shrug

as far as the 10.5 goes, you are right squatty. should be 99 and up stupid duties and its metric bolt pattern. i've also read in the greatest magazine ever that all the internals from a 10.25/10.5 are the same, but i have no idea if that is true or not.

blueoval78
05-23-2004, 09:34 PM
has anyone figured out if the rumor about van rears being offset is true? i remember hearing about that a long time ago, (i think keith brought it up) but it was never mentioned again :shrug



im not sure what you mean by that, but i think that for sure they have different track width, as most long wheel bases seem to have

Andy351
05-23-2004, 10:38 PM
im not sure what you mean by that, but i think that for sure they have different track width, as most long wheel bases seem to have
what i mean is that i saw rumors of the pumpkin not being centered exactly; but in reality, it probably wouldn't matter anyway. and from the specs i remember seeing, van rears are several inches wider, so you are right about the track width deal based on the info i've seen.

SquattyD
05-24-2004, 04:01 AM
anyone doing a rear axle swap to 1 ton axles should be able to overcome those obstacles. but it is good to mention so that people remember its not a perfect bolt in.

as for the interals of the 10.25 and 10.5 being the same, im not sure, doesnt the latter have a .5" bigger ring gear? maybe everything else is the same? i sure as shit dont know.

Andy351
05-24-2004, 04:11 AM
as for the interals of the 10.25 and 10.5 being the same, im not sure, doesnt the latter have a .5" bigger ring gear? maybe everything else is the same? i sure as shit dont know.
where did you learn your math skillz? its .25 bigger :goodfinge i don't know about the internals, i think maybe the axles and carriers swap, but not sure about the ring gear and stuff. stupid petersons putting these bullshit idears in my head.

blueoval78
05-24-2004, 09:27 AM
every van dana 60 i have seen is centered.

how can you tell if it is the dana 60 or dana 61 some one had mentioned? obvuisly it is stamped on the pumpkin right?

now, we all know that the 10.25 bolts right in, only work to the driveshaft.
how does the dana 60 froma van do?

i keep meaning to measure the axle when we have our ambulances up on the lift, even more so now, since most are dana's and have the tone gear

seboh
05-24-2004, 12:57 PM
A D60 can't go higher than 3.55. They moved the pinion over with the D61 so they could put 3.07 gears in them. Best way is to run the BOM. FWIW, I don't see any D61s listed after 90. It doesn't mean they don't exist, but it's not likely.

Ambulances are probably D70HDs. Maybe D70Us.

10.25 and 10.50 gears swap back and forth. The only difference was in the pinion bearings. A lot of the early aftermarket gearsets only made one set and didn't differentiate between the 10.25 and 10.50. AFAIK, they were never under vans, tho.

welndmn
05-24-2004, 02:21 PM
has anyone figured out if the rumor about van rears being offset is true? i remember hearing about that a long time ago, (i think keith brought it up) but it was never mentioned again :shrug
.

It was either 2.25 or 2.5 inches offset.
WMS is 67 inches

SquattyD
05-24-2004, 02:40 PM
where did you learn your math skillz? its .25 bigger :goodfinge i don't know about the internals, i think maybe the axles and carriers swap, but not sure about the ring gear and stuff. stupid petersons putting these bullshit idears in my head.

haha doh! lets blame it on petersens too.

blueoval78
05-24-2004, 05:21 PM
should add they they are vanbulances too. not dual wheeled box trucks

J-Roc
06-01-2004, 10:39 PM
has anyone figured out if the rumor about van rears being offset is true? i remember hearing about that a long time ago, (i think keith brought it up) but it was never mentioned again :shrug


Yep it's offset. At least the D70s that my brother and I each have. His is a late 70's early 80's drum brake D70 out of a E350.

J-Roc
06-01-2004, 10:40 PM
It was either 2.25 or 2.5 inches offset.
WMS is 67 inches

Yep, it's about that much off-center, towards the pass. side...

nwbronco
06-02-2004, 12:18 AM
i have 36's with a 9 inch.

just get a nine and truss it with chromoly axles :D

(i need to find a truss)


Head down here, I knock them out in a day now....

Bob K.

blueoval78
06-11-2004, 04:06 PM
i was noticing that the dana 60's in our vanbualnces are only a semi float. the dualed axles are dana 70's and are obviosly full float. what gives????

SquattyD
06-12-2004, 03:27 AM
some 60's are SF...cheaper for ford i guess. dont really need a monster axle for that application apparently.

kelster
07-24-2004, 09:09 PM
i've got a 9" from a 79 e250. passenger side is longer. to make it work i have too cut 2" off the passenger side and shorten the axle. move the spring perches and shock mounts. found new spring perches and shock mounts for a few dollars. grind the weld off where the axle tube and center housing are joined and cut the 2" off the tube that goes inside and slide it back in to the right spacing. that way the hub stays intact. the carrier is open and has 3:29 gears so that gets replaced. all the parts like the bearings, overhaul kit, gears, limited slip are not too pricey if you shop around. i got the rearend free so its not a major project that costs me alot. so van rears are a possibilty. if you're a welder like me its not too dificult to modify.

muddybronco
07-25-2004, 05:46 AM
Why even bother with that van 9" axle? 9-inchers aren't hard to find, and they are cheap, at least around here. it sounds like you're up for some expenses, specifically having the axle shaft cut and resplined.

kelster
07-25-2004, 09:24 PM
i'm still the research mode. i haven't done anything except tear it apart to see if it was worth it. i haven't gotten to pricing the axle work or finding a new set. i'm still trying to figure out the speed sensor. so far i have spent $0. the axle was free and already off so i'm just kicking around the idea. besides a few people said i couldn't make it work. :enforce