I read an article on Slate that I had to share. Anybody who's crazy enough to actually want to spend money watching this horrible piece of propoganda should read this first:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

F-BUSH!

i can't stand taht guy. he needs his eyes burned with a cig.

:iiss http://img.slate.msn.com/media/1/123125/2073765/2093379/2101841/040621_FW_MichaelMoore.jpg :bs

F-BUSH!


why make that comment :twak .


I wasnt planning on seeing it, but the way Moores views are now i know for sure I wont,

F-BUSH!

F-Michael "Chucklehead Rim-licker" Moore!

F-Hillary and Bill

F-Cheney

F-Kerry

F-them all.

All politicians SUCK ASS. They are all selfish and self absorbed, greedy, malicious dicks.

carry on....

:iiss http://img.slate.msn.com/media/1/123125/2073765/2093379/2101841/040621_FW_MichaelMoore.jpg :bs

:stupid

F-BUSH!

F-Michael "Chucklehead Rim-licker" Moore!

F-Hillary and Bill

F-Cheney

F-Kerry

F-them all.

All politicians SUCK ASS. They are all selfish and self absorbed, greedy, malicious dicks.

carry on....

that i can handle F all is one thing that isnt racist you hate em all :thumbup

Damn, don't stand still too long next to chickentaco, he just likes to F**K. :toothless :chili:

F-BUSH!

F-Michael "Chucklehead Rim-licker" Moore!

F-Hillary and Bill

F-Cheney

F-Kerry

F-them all.

All politicians SUCK ASS. They are all selfish and self absorbed, greedy, malicious dicks.

carry on....


im with ya there.

F-BUSH!

F-Michael "Chucklehead Rim-licker" Moore!

F-Hillary and Bill

F-Cheney

F-Kerry

F-them all.

All politicians SUCK ASS. They are all selfish and self absorbed, greedy, malicious dicks.

carry on....

LOOK CT.............we agree ! But as far as F- Hillary , well your on your own there my friend .

I read that Fairenheit 9/11 was the first movie to get a 20 minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival. They failed to mention that this was because the theater was full of f-ing French cheese eating bastards.
Raise your hand if you know someone that's French. Raise both if you are French. :enforce

so both moore and bush are idiots, big whoop.

and i would rather have some who makes movies be a liar and an imbecile, rather than the president of the united states.

I only want to see the part where moore asks the senators to sign their kids up for the army.

I will go see it to get a laugh, after investigating this movie and Bowling for Columbie, I will have good laugh at the lies he shows and laugh at the facts he did not put in, and praise the photo chopping.

I watched an old interview with him the guy says it would be fair to pay 70% taxes!!!!!!

The guy is for the little guy as he capitalises off movies, books, etc...

"I don't discriminate I hate everyone" especially Michael Mooreheadhttp://www.tech-x.de/bilder/smileys/024.gif He can have my guns, Right up his ass. I refuse to see any of his movies soley because I do not want my money going to him and some of his beliefs. Godbless him for having the ability to say what he wants on the big screen but He needs to remember where,how, who and why he has that privilege. God bless the USA,F Micheal moore

Ok we just need to take Mr. More and ship his A$$ to cuba or some other comunist country and let his a$$ live there for 5 years and see how many movies he makes about there Goverment!!!!! He is the most Retarded Fat Fu@K I have ever seen. The man doesn't want you and I to have freedom but yet he runs his freedom meter over. I mean does the man not know that he is helping out the terrorists? I mean if it wasn't for the media if they didn't publicize all this shit then the terrorists wouldn't have a base to build on!!!! and my god dont say anything negitive about the man or he will start crying. And if it wasn't not for his intern abusing buddy billy boy 911 would have been avoided. But yet if 911 would have not happend then Mr. Moore wouldn't be making money off the RETARDS that went and seen this BullChit movie now would HE!!!!

"I don't discriminate I hate everyone" especially Michael Mooreheadhttp://www.tech-x.de/bilder/smileys/024.gif He can have my guns, Right up his ass. I refuse to see any of his movies soley because I do not want my money going to him and some of his beliefs. Godbless him for having the ability to say what he wants on the big screen but He needs to remember where,how, who and why he has that privilege. God bless the USA,F Micheal moore

moore doesn't hate the USA he hates the dumb****s we have in office

Moore might be a fool.
But at least the movie might help get that no good piece of shit "president" BUSH out of office.

Moore might be a fool.
But at least the movie might help get that no good piece of shit "president" BUSH out of office.


would you have rather had Gore in office right now? At least I can say my fellow service men and women would be over seas if he was. But hey guess that is the difference between the two, one doesnt take the chit from assholes, one would rather ask for them not to do that again.

I only want to see the part where moore asks the senators to sign their kids up for the army.

That part of the movie is full of sh%t also. Moore edited the responses and left some of them out. One senetor was in an interview yesterday and said that Moore doesnt show his response after the question, when he told more that he was proud to have his nephew out serveing for his country in Iraq.

I can go and make a movie how i think that Bush is the messiah and here to save all of mandkind and take them away on a spaceship and it wouldnt be any more factual that Michael Moore movie.

Moore might be a fool.
But at least the movie might help get that no good piece of shit "president" BUSH out of office.

Oh and let me guess you would rather Kerry be in office? Bush is doing now what the past presidents didn't have the balles to do. And I assure you that Kerry sure the hell dont have the balles to do it. Like SrATEX said all Gore or Kerry would do is grab the ruler tell the terrorists to stick out there hands give'em one good smack and say "Now Please dont bother us anymore" :wacko

Oh and let me guess you would rather Kerry be in office? Bush is doing now what the past presidents didn't have the balles to do.

Not other presidents, just his own dad.

c'mon Karma, you think bubba would have done anything? Maybe throw a few missles somewhere when it was convenient to distract the press from another scandle.
Bush1 left Saddam because that's what the UN wanted. Clinton turned down offers to take Bin Laden.

The only thing John f'n Kerry has going for him is the support of the 'anybody but Bush' crowd. No thought, no real plans, a ton of flip flops and a weak attempt at trying to act like he's in touch with the common people. He's a joke, nothing more and will turn our forgien policy over to the UN and the French Surrender cheese monkeys

Not other presidents, just his own dad.

Oh and let me guess Clinton had the balls to do it.. Oh no way he only had the balls to put in his intern!!! As far as bush 41 goes the only reason he didn't go through with getting rid of terrorists is becuz he had people breathing down his neck telling him the this may not make him look good and he was more worried about what people thought of him then he was doing what was right. And as far as other presidents go there was not much terroriests going on. But Mr Ronald (god rest his soul) I sure wish he was back in the set at this day and age. Bush 43 reminds me alot of Ronalds ways..... PaulT just hit the nail on head.. AMEN BROTHER :thumbup

Not other presidents, just his own dad.


you know you speak as if you know why we went to the Middle East in 91. We were there to liberate Kuwait, not remove Saddam. That is what the UN told us to do. Sr. followed those orders. So after Kuwait was liberated our tropps got the order to halt their advance on Baghdad. I know a guy who was there and could see the lights of Baghdad when use unit got the order to stop. So we did what we were suppose to do. 10 years later, after 10 years of no compliance to UN resolutions and our very own aircraft being shot at daily while patrolling the No-fly zone, we finally decided to step in. why didnt Clinton do this during his 8 years. Would you have such a big problem with it if this would have been done during the Clinton administration or if Gore was in office and he actually did something about the attacks and Iraq? What if Bush didnt send us into Iraq and 2,3, or 4 years down the road he did use his army and weapons on someone? When something could have been stop based on the intel we had saying he could be up to something. I am just as tired of war as the next person, however, I am not the commander-in-chief, I am not the madman that is out to harm innocent people. I didnt ask for any of this, however, it did. That is the fact of life. Chit happens, we must learn to deal with it. You may not agree with this war, many people dont. That is your own right. However you constantly bad talk the leader of this country. That is just wrong, you may not agree with him, but the things you say is down right inapropriate. I dont care who you are, whether you were a celebrity, a politician, or some citizen. Doesnt it feel great you can say all these things and have no worries. In some countries you would be shot, i.e. Iraq. Isnt it a great feeling that you dont have that here. I learned after siding with oregonbronco once, that i just need to keep my mouth shut, cause i dont care to get in these little pissing matches on FSB. However you are constantly pushing the line. You said in this thread,I only want to see the part where moore asks the senators to sign their kids up for the army. well why dont you join the military. I see you sitting on your soap box preaching how Bush and republicans are morons, well on that level you make yourself look like a moron. Im not trying to call you a moron, so dont take it that way, but the way you put things, it sure seems that way at times. And the comment of what if i get drafted, it most likely will never happen, if it does, then it happens. As others have stated, look who is backing the bill. I dont think it will come back, and i dont agree with it. The military has a lot of people in it. So much that, they are limiting as many jobs as possible because they are over manned. If this was a world war then yes bring the draft, but it isnt, we have no need for it.

I don't get it? Kerry was in nam, and Bush was a cheerleader? You really think Kerry and Clinton wouldn't do anything? Talk about ignorant.

You really think Kerry and Clinton wouldn't do anything? Jihadistan declared war on us and attacted us on our on soil with the first World Trade Center bombing. That was during Clintons watch. How did he effectively respond to it?
...and again with the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. What was his effective response there.
...and again with the attack on the USS Cole...

...effective response being the operative phrase here.


As for Kerry in Viet Nam, His own men and fellow officers wanted him gone because he was a self-absorbed moron that took unneccessary risks with the lives of others, and, by his own testimony, he commited war crimes during the three months he was there.

I don't get it? Kerry was in nam, and Bush was a cheerleader? You really think Kerry and Clinton wouldn't do anything? Talk about ignorant.

In fact sir you are right. they would do somthing. They would run the the UN and as "WHAT DO YOU THINK I SHOULD DO ABOUT THIS?" The UN in return would say do nothing it will go away. In a few more years something else would happen and again the both of them would again run to the UN asking for advice and again the UN would say DO NOTHING IT WILL GO AWAY. and it would keep on happening untill one day there would no longer be a USA and you SIR would no longer be able to post your Librial BS :wacko

:usa :usa

untill one day there would no longer be a USA and you SIR would no longer be able to post your Librial BS :wacko
Haha.

by his own testimony, he commited war crimes during the three months he was there.

And you dont think the majority of other soldiers over there commited war crimes as well?

And you dont think the majority of other soldiers over there commited war crimes as well?


during vietnam yes there were quite a bit of crimes being commited, just like even today there are the bad apples in the military just like anything else in this world. I really love how you labeled the majority of the soldiers commiting crimes. Back then drugs werent being cracked down on like today. The was the majority of things. Yes you had the ones that ransacked villages, raped, and stole, but not a majority. The general soldier doesnt set out to commit crimes. Because soldiers have this kinda pride in them, attributes like Valor, Service before self, Integrity, duty, and honor. There are lots more. I cant speak for every service member out there, but most take pride in these things.

And you dont think the majority of other soldiers over there commited war crimes as well? Most likely some probably did, but not most. That was just the line the media was using to help the enemies war effort here at home.

The reason I bring it up is that "war crimes" is one of the battle cries of the modern liberal against the current conflict, yet they seem eager to embrace someone whos admitted war crimes include murder and mayhem.

I am amazed that there are *ghasp* BUSH supporters still left in America.

Sad masochistic loyalists.

I am amazed that there are *ghasp* BUSH supporters still left in America.

Sad masochistic loyalists.


YEAH there called the ARMY,NAVY,MARINES,AIRFORCE,and COAST GUARD you idiot, If it wasn't for us doing what we are over there johnny taliban and the others would be blowing up our families here in america. I'll Gladly pay for your ticket to the middle east if you want me to . You are an insult to what it takes to be an american. :twak

YEAH there called the ARMY,NAVY,MARINES,AIRFORCE,and COAST GUARD you idiot, If it wasn't for us doing what we are over there johnny taliban and the others would be blowing up our families here in america. I'll Gladly pay for your ticket to the middle east if you want me to . You are an insult to what it takes to be an american. :twak
:histerica
Do you think I don't like BUSH because of that? You sad, sad man. There are many, many reasons he sucks.

But.... It is neither here, nor there. BUSH will be out of office come election time.
(BTW there are a lot more civillians than military in the US, sorry pal) :thumbup

I am amazed that there are *ghasp* BUSH supporters still left in America.

Sad masochistic loyalists.


:banghead :banghead

Amazed that there are some of us who feel that Bush is doing a good job? Amazed that some of us are glad that Bush has turned back 8 years of liberal meddling, from oppressive tax policies to the rediculous Clinton/Gore Roadless Initiative? Do you like to have the ability to actually take your Bronco 4 Wheeling? You have Bush to thank for that. If Gore had won, we would have seen a systematic dismantling of our ability to use public lands. :twak

You are amazed that we finally have someone back in office who is actuallly willing to do something, rather than spout liberal gibberish and wait to see what happens next? Amazed that some of us still remember what it means to take personal responsibility for our actions, and to stick with something even if the liberal left puts so much pressure out there that it would seem as if Bush were the devil himself. :twak

I call bullshit on that. Who was the most ineffective President in office in the last 35 years? Carter. A Democrat. He was so hopelessy wimpy on foreign policy that Iran took AMERICANS hostage from one of our EMABASSIES, which in ANY country is considered sovreign U.S. Territory. That is an act of WAR, yet Carter did nothing, except send a bungled resue mission that was doomed to fail. Reagan promised that if elected he would go in and get them back. You know what? Iran believed him. If I remember my history correctly, the hostages were released during Reagan's inaguration. You think that would have happened with Clinton? Gore? Even Kerry, who has renounced his time in service and declared himself a war criminal. It takes a leader who will not back down, will not lose his resolve, who will not change his position every time public opinion changes.

Bush Sr. was not as charasmatic as Reagan, but he had the same resolve, and he did what needed to be done. The only reason he lost is because he made a stupid promise in a campaign speech, and that was as much the fault of a speachwriter as it was his own. It probably looked really good at the time. Too bad he took office right as a recession hit. Bush Jr. is doing exactly what I expect my president to do: Make a decision and then stick with it, whether it is popular or not. He's there to make the tough choices, not look pretty and say what the liberal media wants to hear.

Dammit. I should know better than to start threads like this. There's three subjects that are guranteed to start a flame war: politics, religion, and Detroit vs. ARB. I already did the Detroit vs. ARB thing, so I had to pick politics. Well, in this case I thought it was justified. I have no problem with people not liking Bush. That's their right. I don't even have a problem with people speaking out publicly. But when a person contrives to shape public opinion and influence and election (you think the timing of the release of this piece of shit movie is coincidental?) using tactics that in the kindess words are underhanded, then that should be called to the carpet. If you are trying to spark debate, then use the TRUTH to do it. There's plenty out there for people to not like. There's no need to resort to the low blow and cheap shot mentality of Micheal Moore. :boxing

Osama still lives and breathes. end of story.

"Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains." - Winston Churchill

Now that's not completely accurate, but if you can go through life and remain a liberal, either you're not really paying attention, not thinking for yourself, or you have an agenda other than freedom.

Kerry is as liberal as liberals get. He's rated as being to the left of Ted Kennedy. Given the choices, I'll take the capitalist over the socialist with no core values any day.

http://www.flipflopper.com/images/img-ad01.jpg

:histerica
Do you think I don't like BUSH because of that? You sad, sad man. There are many, many reasons he sucks.

But.... It is neither here, nor there. BUSH will be out of office come election time.
(BTW there are a lot more civillians than military in the US, sorry pal) :thumbup


So enlighten me why do you hate bush????? :shrug

:banghead :banghead

Amazed that there are some of us who feel that Bush is doing a good job? Amazed that some of us are glad that Bush has turned back 8 years of liberal meddling, from oppressive tax policies to the rediculous Clinton/Gore Roadless Initiative? Do you like to have the ability to actually take your Bronco 4 Wheeling? You have Bush to thank for that. If Gore had won, we would have seen a systematic dismantling of our ability to use public lands. :twak

You are amazed that we finally have someone back in office who is actuallly willing to do something, rather than spout liberal gibberish and wait to see what happens next? Amazed that some of us still remember what it means to take personal responsibility for our actions, and to stick with something even if the liberal left puts so much pressure out there that it would seem as if Bush were the devil himself. :twak

I call bullshit on that. Who was the most ineffective President in office in the last 35 years? Carter. A Democrat. He was so hopelessy wimpy on foreign policy that Iran took AMERICANS hostage from one of our EMABASSIES, which in ANY country is considered sovreign U.S. Territory. That is an act of WAR, yet Carter did nothing, except send a bungled resue mission that was doomed to fail. Reagan promised that if elected he would go in and get them back. You know what? Iran believed him. If I remember my history correctly, the hostages were released during Reagan's inaguration. You think that would have happened with Clinton? Gore? Even Kerry, who has renounced his time in service and declared himself a war criminal. It takes a leader who will not back down, will not lose his resolve, who will not change his position every time public opinion changes.

Bush Sr. was not as charasmatic as Reagan, but he had the same resolve, and he did what needed to be done. The only reason he lost is because he made a stupid promise in a campaign speech, and that was as much the fault of a speachwriter as it was his own. It probably looked really good at the time. Too bad he took office right as a recession hit. Bush Jr. is doing exactly what I expect my president to do: Make a decision and then stick with it, whether it is popular or not. He's there to make the tough choices, not look pretty and say what the liberal media wants to hear.

Dammit. I should know better than to start threads like this. There's three subjects that are guranteed to start a flame war: politics, religion, and Detroit vs. ARB. I already did the Detroit vs. ARB thing, so I had to pick politics. Well, in this case I thought it was justified. I have no problem with people not liking Bush. That's their right. I don't even have a problem with people speaking out publicly. But when a person contrives to shape public opinion and influence and election (you think the timing of the release of this piece of shit movie is coincidental?) using tactics that in the kindess words are underhanded, then that should be called to the carpet. If you are trying to spark debate, then use the TRUTH to do it. There's plenty out there for people to not like. There's no need to resort to the low blow and cheap shot mentality of Micheal Moore. :boxing

well said

(BTW there are a lot more civillians than military in the US, sorry pal)
I don't think all the red counties were military and I don't think many people who voted for him the first time are feeling betrayed.

If anything, we've gained some libs that are thankful Gore didn't win.

http://www.fraudfactor.com/images/humor/ffbush2000counties.gif

:banghead :banghead

Amazed that there are some of us who feel that Bush is doing a good job? Amazed that some of us are glad that Bush has turned back 8 years of liberal meddling, from oppressive tax policies to the rediculous Clinton/Gore Roadless Initiative? Do you like to have the ability to actually take your Bronco 4 Wheeling? You have Bush to thank for that. If Gore had won, we would have seen a systematic dismantling of our ability to use public lands. :twak

You are amazed that we finally have someone back in office who is actuallly willing to do something, rather than spout liberal gibberish and wait to see what happens next? Amazed that some of us still remember what it means to take personal responsibility for our actions, and to stick with something even if the liberal left puts so much pressure out there that it would seem as if Bush were the devil himself. :twak

I call bullshit on that. Who was the most ineffective President in office in the last 35 years? Carter. A Democrat. He was so hopelessy wimpy on foreign policy that Iran took AMERICANS hostage from one of our EMABASSIES, which in ANY country is considered sovreign U.S. Territory. That is an act of WAR, yet Carter did nothing, except send a bungled resue mission that was doomed to fail. Reagan promised that if elected he would go in and get them back. You know what? Iran believed him. If I remember my history correctly, the hostages were released during Reagan's inaguration. You think that would have happened with Clinton? Gore? Even Kerry, who has renounced his time in service and declared himself a war criminal. It takes a leader who will not back down, will not lose his resolve, who will not change his position every time public opinion changes.

Bush Sr. was not as charasmatic as Reagan, but he had the same resolve, and he did what needed to be done. The only reason he lost is because he made a stupid promise in a campaign speech, and that was as much the fault of a speachwriter as it was his own. It probably looked really good at the time. Too bad he took office right as a recession hit. Bush Jr. is doing exactly what I expect my president to do: Make a decision and then stick with it, whether it is popular or not. He's there to make the tough choices, not look pretty and say what the liberal media wants to hear.

Dammit. I should know better than to start threads like this. There's three subjects that are guranteed to start a flame war: politics, religion, and Detroit vs. ARB. I already did the Detroit vs. ARB thing, so I had to pick politics. Well, in this case I thought it was justified. I have no problem with people not liking Bush. That's their right. I don't even have a problem with people speaking out publicly. But when a person contrives to shape public opinion and influence and election (you think the timing of the release of this piece of shit movie is coincidental?) using tactics that in the kindess words are underhanded, then that should be called to the carpet. If you are trying to spark debate, then use the TRUTH to do it. There's plenty out there for people to not like. There's no need to resort to the low blow and cheap shot mentality of Micheal Moore. :boxing


:clap :clap :clap :rockon :rockon :thumbup :thumbup :beer :beer :chili: :chili: :chili: :chili: :chili: :usa :usa :usa :usa :usa :usa

Very well put

A reason to support Bush.

http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20844

Dammit. I should know better than to start threads like this. There's three subjects that are guranteed to start a flame war: politics, religion, and Detroit vs. ARB. I already did the Detroit vs. ARB thing, so I had to pick politics.
detroit in the rear, ARB in the front.. :slap


saw the movie last night.. it just confirmed what i thought about what was happening.. i wont waste my time arguing it because people will choose to believe what they want to believe and im not the one that will sway them one way or the other..

E-lockers are stupid... :brownbag

detroit in the rear, ARB in the front.. :slap


saw the movie last night.. it just confirmed what i thought about what was happening.. i wont waste my time arguing it because people will choose to believe what they want to believe and im not the one that will sway them one way or the other..

E-lockers are stupid... :brownbag

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times....

Why do you need an ARB in the front if you have locking hubs?!?!?!?! :histerica

Oh, wait....wrong thread...

And E-Lockers ARE stupid. :beer

:histerica
Do you think I don't like BUSH because of that? You sad, sad man. There are many, many reasons he sucks.

But.... It is neither here, nor there. BUSH will be out of office come election time.
(BTW there are a lot more civillians than military in the US, sorry pal) :thumbup

You're writing like you're ON the "sauce."

The fact is that "election time" is November. Do you expect Bush to leave office before then?

At the end of the day, Americans will be faced with a choice. And the choice will be framed thusly:

"If you were a terrorist... who would YOU vote for?"

And, Americans, typically being sensible people, will vote for the other guy.

And, in this case, the other guy ain't Kerry.

Kerry, a self-confessed war-criminal, is doing everything he can to discredit our President in war time. That Kerry, a self-confessed war-criminal, doesn't care that he and his bitches are costing American lives TODAY is reason enough for that liberal sumbitch to be run out of town on a rail.

And you dont think the majority of other soldiers over there commited war crimes as well?

Irrelevant. Only one candidate for president is a self-confessed war criminal, and he just happens to be the guy you're in love with.

Irrelevant. Only one candidate for president is a self-confessed war criminal, and he just happens to be the guy you're in love with.


:duh :histerica :histerica

peteyg very well put, :clap :thumbup
iolaus, i am with you. :thumbup

From the mouth of an Airman, I want someone who will be a good commander-in-chief. I dont follow blindly, or just some loyalist. My reasons for supporting Bush, is i like what he has done, no not everything but the majority. I want someone who will support the military, and use it for what it is ment for. The defense of this nation and our allies. What has President Bush done, operations that support the defense of our country and allies. We removed a dictator while we were at it. 2 years of my life i have given to this country, not including the 20 years of my life i supported the country through my father being in the army. My whole life has surrounded the military, and I still have 18 more years of it. Hopefully one of my kids will follow my footsteps. However, 8 years of my fathers career was spent under Clinton as commander-in-cheif. I sat and watched him close bases, down size the military. lot of good guys got out cause of him. Now people wonder why the rumor of the draft came up. Luckily we have, at least Air Force wise, an over abundance of people in. the election to me isnt just who i want to run the country, but who do i want to be my boss. Who do i want to give orders, to my officers, and decide if i must go into a fight or not. I do not want someone, i cannot trust. And the majority of Democrat liberals i cannot. I see what they do to the military. Bad things, reduce our funding, reduce our equipment, reduce our force, and reduce our ability to fight when called on. Do you really want someone to destroy the military so we will no longer be able to defend our country and allies. Thanks to our funding we no longer have to fight like we were in every other war. We have missles that can travel long distances, weapons that can shoot 5000 yards, our armour is so advanced, that the M1A1 Abrams can high speeds and still fire its main gun. The tech in it that makes the main gun stay aimed at the target despite driving quickly over rugged terrain bouncing all over the place. We have aircraft with radar signiture of a small bird. We can see a target aircraft, fire a missle, and fly off before they even know you are there. When that funding gets cut, we lose the ability to develop better weapon. for example the new weapon system they are developing for ground forces. Has a camera, night vision, and thermal camera mounted to an M4 that is connected to an eye peace. We can see the enemy when they cant see us. with this it means soldiers dont have to come out of cover to fire. There is cross hairs in the camera so you can stick your weapon around the corner aim and fire, all that is exposed is your hands and weapons. Nothing life threatining. Save a lot of lives there. So I am gonna vote for whoever i think will do a better job in the role of commander-in-chief, and right now that is President Bush, not Kerry. When we were first going over there, President Bush said, we will be there a long time and lives will be lost. Everybody was for it, now that we have been there awhile and lost lives, everyone is screaming about it blaming Bush. It isnt his fault, it is the damn terrorists terrorist harboring countries.

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Originally Posted by tarnationsauce2

Do you think I don't like BUSH because of that? You sad, sad man. There are many, many reasons he sucks.

But.... It is neither here, nor there. BUSH will be out of office come election time.
(BTW there are a lot more civillians than military in the US, sorry pal)

Theres a reason there are so many civilians that allowed to say vote and do what they want. It's thanks to the other FEW that are putting their asses on the line every day whether we're at war or not. Those FEW people know anyday they could have to put their lives on the line for people with attitudes like you and Moore. I say THANK YOU to those FEW.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tarnationsauce2

Do you think I don't like BUSH because of that? You sad, sad man. There are many, many reasons he sucks.

But.... It is neither here, nor there. BUSH will be out of office come election time.
(BTW there are a lot more civillians than military in the US, sorry pal)

Theres a reason there are so many civilians that allowed to say vote and do what they want. It's thanks to the other FEW that are putting their asses on the line every day whether we're at war or not. Those FEW people know anyday they could have to put their lives on the line for people with attitudes like you and Moore. I say THANK YOU to those FEW.
So you think that because I know that there are more civilians than military peole, that I don't appreciate what our military people do?
:histerica

so why dont you enlighten us on your views instead of laughing at the guys who will express thiers, we are all curious why you hate bush so much, or are you just on the "I hate Bush" bandwagon and dont really have a reason besides that you can.

The honest truth is that there are many reasons. Too many to list.

The honest truth is that there are many reasons. Too many to list.

Where's my "that's a crock" alarm? I know I left it somewhere around here....

right

Learn:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines
http://www.hereinreality.com/commander.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/20/politics/20medicare.html?ex=1088481600&en=1a1f9927e9f381f0&ei=5070
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A11486-2004Mar20&notFound=true
http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=11644&sd=03/12/04
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0603-06.htm
http://www.snopes.com/religion/jesusday.htm
http://www.bushflash.com/faith.html
http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/view/
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0420/perlstein.php

The honest truth is that there are many reasons. Too many to list. Ok, just give us your top ten. That should be enough to make your point.

Ok, just give us your top ten. That should be enough to make your point.
Sorry guys. I don't mean to attack anyone personally... but I'm :banghead over here.

1: He is against abortion: even in the case of rape and incest.
2: He side stepped Vietnam and skipped out on National Gaurd service.
3: He is a spoiled ritch kid living off his family's name.
4: He denounced gay marriage to protect the "sanctity" of marriage.
5: He is against stem-cell research.
6: He has let gas prices reach all-time highs.
7: He has mixed church and state many times. He asks "god" what to do.
8: He has spent a lot of tax dollars to catch or kill BinLaden, but to no avail.
9: He bought the Texas Rangers using taxpayer money.
10: He set all time record for biggest stock market drop in history.
11: He took more days of vacation in his first year than any other president in history.
12:He cut more unemployment benefits than any president ever has.
13: He cut healthcare benefits for war Veterans.
14: He speaks like a fourteen year old.

More than 10, for good measure.

Ok I read and watched your propoganda and to be honest, I didn't have a problem with many of the issues they are railing against, and others have been debunked ages ago. The few that might concern me, I would have to get the other side of the story as well. Something I assume you haven't bothered to do.

I see you've posted more, so lets go over it.


1: He is against abortion: even in the case of rape and incest.

* I disagree with the rape/incest but otherwise, Ok.

2: He side stepped Vietnam and skipped out on National Gaurd service.

* He didn't dodge the draft like Clinton did, and there is an officer who remembers him showing up for duty.

3: He is a spoiled ritch kid living off his family's name.

* So? Can you say "Ted Kennedy"

4: He denounced gay marriage to protect the "sanctity" of marriage.

* 2/3 of america agrees with him.

5: He is against stem-cell research.

* No, he's against establishing new lines of stem cells. There's a difference.

6: He has let gas prices reach all-time highs.

* Let? He's got no control over that.

7: He has mixed church and state many times. He asks "god" what to do.

* Many of our greatest presidents have been religious men who prayed for guidance.

8: He has spent a lot of tax dollars to catch or kill BinLaden, but to no avail.

* He has spent a lot of tax dollars fighting a war against "Jihadistan". Bin Laden is just a small part of that.

9: He bought the Texas Rangers using taxpayer money.

* Bush and his partners bought the team from Chiles on April 21, 1989, for $86 million. To scrape together his $500,000 stake in the Rangers, Bush borrowed the money from a bank in Midland where he once was a director. He owned 1.8 percent of the Rangers. (He later invested an additional $106,302). The partners then built up a successful franchise which included investment from the community. Just like most other major league start ups.

10: He set all time record for biggest stock market drop in history.

* He doesn't control the stock market.

11: He took more days of vacation in his first year than any other president in history.

* 1) How many more? 2) So what?

12:He cut more unemployment benefits than any president ever has.

* Good!!

13: He cut healthcare benefits for war Veterans.

*Ok, that I might have an issue with. I'd have to look into it.

14: He speaks like a fourteen year old.

* No. Trust me, my wife teaches fourteen year olds. He simply speaks directly, without polish. You don't have to ask yourself, "how could that be interpreted." You know, "what the meaning of 'is' is"

How dare you let facts interfere with sauce's bias?

:histerica :thumbup

Sorry guys. I don't mean to attack anyone personally... but I'm :banghead over here.

No worries. I'm not offended. That won't stop me from answering, though.
So, ok, you came out with some reasons. Let's pick 'em apart, one by one.

1.
He is against abortion: even in the case of rape and incest.

Well, I'm not entirely sure I agree with him on that one, but at least he has the balls to say what he feels and stick with it.

2.
He side stepped Vietnam and skipped out on National Gaurd service.
How did he "side step" Vietnam? He joined the National Guard. How is that not serving his country? How many Nat. Guardsmen are currently in Iraq? How exactly did he "skip out" on his service? I thought this was put to bed already. He has sufficiently proved that he did his service.

3.
He is a spoiled ritch kid living off his family's name.
That is not a fact. That is an opinion based solely on your dislike for the man. So his family has money. So what. Kerry is the same spoiled rich kid, or haven't you looked at his family background and who he is currently married to? Just because they have a pre-nup doesn't mean he doesn't still get to play with the toys. Is there something more inherently evil about money that was made producing oil rather than ketchup?

4.
He denounced gay marriage to protect the "sanctity" of marriage.

Again, I trend more toward the middle on this issue, but he has strongly devout beliefs, and is not afraid to express them. You prefer a candidate who's beliefs change with public opinion polls?

5.
He is against stem-cell research.
That really is a sub-set of point #1, and shouldn't be seperated out. He doesn't believe in abortion, which is the source of stem cells. Ergo, no stem cell research.

6.
He has let gas prices reach all-time highs.
How is that Bush's fault? He's been trying to release oil resources and promote exploration since the day he took office. He has been strangled by the environazis and the liberal left who have jumped on their bandwagon.

7.
He has mixed church and state many times. He asks "god" what to do.
Because he is a believer and asks god what to do does not constitute the mixing of church and state. The mixing of church and state is when a fundamentalist judge in Alabama puts a statue of the 10 commandments on the front steps of the state Supreme Court, and he was rightly removed from the bench because of it. If Bush were to bring in a Catholic priest and start making policy based on the biased advise of that priest while in the oval office, then I would probably have a problem with it. The Constitution never said our leaders can't be believers. It just wanted to make sure, for example, that someone didn't go in and say "Catholicism is right, so we're going to use those teachings, and everyone else is wrong, so you guys can start lining up against the wall."

8.
He has spent a lot of tax dollars to catch or kill BinLaden, but to no avail.
If your boy Clinton had acted when he had the chance, a lot of this would probably have never happened. And yes, he has spent a lot of money. How else do you think the operations in place could happen. And just because he hasn't caught Bin Laden does not mean that he didn't severely cripple the efforts of Al Queda, and has put them on the defensive, rather than the offensive.

9.
He bought the Texas Rangers using taxpayer money.
That's a real stretch. He didn't buy the team with public money. He invested his own money for the ownership stake in the team. There is controversy over events after that on how they financed the new stadium, but from what I've seen, it's no more controversial than every other team in every other city trying to get new facilities. The new stadium in San Diego was much more shady than what they did.

10.
He set all time record for biggest stock market drop in history.
Again, how is that his fault? Bush has personal control of the DOW, eh? If I'm not mistaken, the market tanked right after 9/11. How was that BUSH'S fault? He can tell them when to go up and when to go down? I suppose he is responsible then for the largest housing boom in 20 years, too.

11.
He took more days of vacation in his first year than any other president in history.
And how much vacation did you take last year? As much as you were allowed to? Many of his "vacations" were working vacations. You're telling me that he had Tony Blair up to Camp David and they weren't talking business? Personally, I WANT my leaders to take vacations. Bleeds off stress, and allows them to make clear decisions.

12.
He cut more unemployment benefits than any president ever has.
A direct result of the tanking economy that he was blindsided with. Besides, the whole foundation of the Republican Party is LESS government, not more. If you empower someone to be out of work, then they will stay out of work. If you knew that your benefits were about to run out, you'd be more apt to want to find work, wouldn't you? Take a look at the welfare reforms in Wisconsin for a good roadmap of how to wean more people off the public tit.

13.
He cut healthcare benefits for war Veterans.
He cut benefits for EVERYONE. Again, see my point above. Liberals seem to have this weird belief that the government somehow OWES people something. My government doesn't owe me anything. They provide my infrastructure, build my roads, pay for my personal protection through a public police force, protect my life with firefighting services, and when something REALLY bad happens, like a hurricane or earthquake, they even step in and help me rebuild. What more do I need? If I'm too lazy to go out and get work, then how should I be allowed to benefit from that?

14.
He speaks like a fourteen year old.
Are you kidding? That's rediculous. He doesn't talk like a 14 year old, he talks like a Texan. Sheese.

I took a look at the links you provided above, too. The majority of them were Op-Ed pieces, not real facts. Op-Ed is like free license to say whatever you want and distort fact to suit your needs, and if you base your beliefs on those opinions, then you are allowing yourself to be manipulated. It's ok to not like Bush. Really. But if you're going to present opinion as fact, someone's always gonna call you on it.

I don't expect to change your mind, and you certainly won't change mine, but if you're going to come out with the statements you've made here, be prepared to defend them. Debate is good. It filters out the chaff and boils down to the truth.

:thumbup :beer

Great post Peteyg!!
Economically, what the POTUS does takes a few years to be felt around the country. Clinton got to ride a wave of prosperity built on Reagonomics. The economy was starting to tank before Clinton was out because he didn't continue with that policy.

Before anyone on the left says it...We did NOT have a federal surplus under Clinton. There was a projected surplus if the economy continued to grow the way it had earlier during his aministration (thanks to Reagonomics).

If the UN wasn't stopped by France, Russia and Germany, they would have backed us going into Iraq. Why wouldn't they vote in favor? Look at all the under the table illegal deals they had with Saddam. The fighter jets uncovered in the desert were 90's era Russian planes, outfitted with updated French electronics, all sold illegally. Look at the 'Palaces for Oil' program that was rampant with corruption (including the company Koffi Annan's son worked for).

I could go on and on (and on and on and on) but I visit another forum for all the political BS (it is after all just political BS). I don't agree with everything Bush has done, our borders are a mess, illegals (note, not 'undocumented workers', I"m not PC) should be rounded up and shipped home, and before 9/11/01 he was kissing the collective Democrat's azz.

WOW we have a lot of Moore fans here huh?
I love the guy, I think he has the balls to do what a lot of lazy americans have wanted to do all along.
We all know that shit is going on behind our backs, we all know that the politicians do what will make them profits, NOT whats best for this country.
This ****ry is pathetic, and its no wonder the world hates us.
I hope the president gets assassinated, now that would make great news world wide.
For a change it would be nice to have our people home in our country defending our grounds, and not raping other lands of their opportunity.
Moore is a great man, with big balls, you can call him a liar, but please point out which politician, president, world leader, CHRISTIAN ACTIVIST, anybody who hasnt lied to make what they have to say seem more outstanding.
Its funny that most of you are christian, and if someone says piss on america, you are all over it like flies on shit, but someone in your church rapes a child, you just want to brush it under the rug, senseless, i say, senseless.

well that is your right to belive that. I will give you probs for standing up against a tough crowd incuding myself. Same for the rest. Though i dont agree with you. I personally think he is one of the best things that has happened for the military in awhile. Kinda like job security for me, and to know that funding will be good to make our aircraft, weaponry, and other things better then before to give us a better chance. I do not agree with the statement on a church member doing something. I would have a real problem with someone doing that, and if the church just tried to sweep it under a rug, I would not be a member there anymore. But that is my beliefs on how i feel on morality and stuff like that. And we are defending our country right now, keeping future threats at bay and letting the world know we wont stand for terrorist acts

Its funny that most of you are christian, and if someone says piss on america, you are all over it like flies on shit, but someone in your church rapes a child, you just want to brush it under the rug, senseless, i say, senseless.
:clap :clap :clap

WOW we have a lot of Moore fans here huh?
I love the guy, I think he has the balls to do what a lot of lazy americans have wanted to do all along.
We all know that shit is going on behind our backs, we all know that the politicians do what will make them profits, NOT whats best for this country.
This ****ry is pathetic, and its no wonder the world hates us.
I hope the president gets assassinated, now that would make great news world wide.
For a change it would be nice to have our people home in our country defending our grounds, and not raping other lands of their opportunity.
Moore is a great man, with big balls, you can call him a liar, but please point out which politician, president, world leader, CHRISTIAN ACTIVIST, anybody who hasnt lied to make what they have to say seem more outstanding.
Its funny that most of you are christian, and if someone says piss on america, you are all over it like flies on shit, but someone in your church rapes a child, you just want to brush it under the rug, senseless, i say, senseless.

wow, i couldnt have said it any better

WOW we have a lot of Moore fans here huh?
I love the guy, I think he has the balls to do what a lot of lazy americans have wanted to do all along.

No No not really! Balls? Balls?? The man doesn't have balls! He just found an easy way to make more money! I mean he lets the media to all the work and he puts it on one of his films and makes money off of it. Sure he goes out himself and does research but all he is doing is :cry and making an ass out of himself. in my opinon the man is a whinning crying little puss. just out to make a buck. I mean come on how much blame can you put on the gun makers??? did smith and wesson go to those boys and put a gun to their heads and tell them to go and shoot up that school or we will kill you?? come on now Mr. Moore!! Give me a break!!!!! Guess it was Bushes fault that 9/11 happend to??
Dont get me wrong Beerman I like ya dont have anything aginst ya bro. but lets get real. :thumbup

Its funny that most of you are christian, and if someone says piss on america, you are all over it like flies on shit, but someone in your church rapes a child, you just want to brush it under the rug, senseless, i say, senseless.I confused. :shrug If your talking about the Catholic priest scandals, the church may want to hide it but the people don't. That's why they're calling them "scandals."

I mean come on how much blame can you put on the gun makers??? did smith and wesson go to those boys and put a gun to their heads and tell them to go and shoot up that school or we will kill you?? come on now Mr. Moore!! Give me a break!!!!! Guess it was Bushes fault that 9/11 happend to??

He didn't blame the gun makers at all, he simply showed what environment the students lived in, and how guns and ammo are so readily available and not taken seriously there. Please watch his material before you judge him.

Oh, and yeah it was Bush's fault, Bush senior.

hummmm excuse me sir he sure did blame the gun makers. He even went to Charlton Heston asking him to leave the NRA and EVEN went to the top of Wal-Mart blaming them for selling the bullets that went in to those boys guns! Even took one of the kids that was shot in a wheel chair and told Wal-Mart that it was there FAULT he was in the wheel chair and would never walk again because of the bullets they sold. SO YES SIR THAT IS CASTING BLAME :wacko

Oh and no it wasn't Bush Sr. it was ol Billy boy. If he hadn't ignored the times he could have captured Bin Ladin 9/11 would have never happend

Oh and no it wasn't Bush Sr. it was ol Billy boy. If he hadn't ignored the times he could have captured Bin Ladin 9/11 would have never happend


thank you, some people mix up following the UN and not "finishing the job" with the attack of 9/11

So, how 'bout them Mets?

So, how 'bout them Mets?

:histerica :histerica :histerica

Yup, that's about as involved as I'm willing to get in this thread other than bagging on the french (notice the lower case 'f'). I'll just vote in November and keep it to myself, thanks.

Yup, that's about as involved as I'm willing to get in this thread other than bagging on the french (notice the lower case 'f'). I'll just vote in November and keep it to myself, thanks.

Let me help:

http://danielservice.com/fsbuser/95bxl/untitledrrr.bmp

:lolup

Well, there's a few things that have become clear on this thread:

1. There is no middle ground left in America. People are as politcally polarized now as I have ever seen (myself included). :boxing

2. The conservative view has been much more articulately presented, but the liberal view has a blindingly fierce passion that borders on religious ferver. :goodfinge

3. Nobody has had their minds changed as a result of this discussion. I'll still wheel with anybody on this board, political views notwithstanding. :beer

4. A lot of good debate has been presented. Regardless of who you like, it's good to stand up for what you believe. :clap

Regardless of who everybody likes or dislikes, it is heartening to see that at least people HAVE an opinion. I have always said that it doesn't matter if your guy wins or loses. If you VOTE, you have the right to complain. So...you all DO vote, right? I do. Every election. :thumbup

:stupid




But it's been fun. :duel

Now :beer :chili: :beer :chili:

Good post peteyg

I think the bunny with the pancake on its head gets my vote. All joking aside, I usually choose not to get into political debate as it typically ends up in strong divisions between people that normally get along. However, after reading through this thread, it appears you guys can have a heated debate, and then go :drinkbud together. That's why I like the FSB board. :thumbup

Micheal Moore is lucky enough to live in the United States where men have fought and died so that he would be free to dispense that garbage he calls a documentary. Instead of dropping a nuke on the middle east, lets drop Micheal Moore instead. It would make a big bang and if he survived the middle east would have a food shortage.

you know you speak as if you know why we went to the Middle East in 91. We were there to liberate Kuwait, not remove Saddam. That is what the UN told us to do. Sr. followed those orders. So after Kuwait was liberated our tropps got the order to halt their advance on Baghdad. I know a guy who was there and could see the lights of Baghdad when use unit got the order to stop. So we did what we were suppose to do. 10 years later, after 10 years of no compliance to UN resolutions and our very own aircraft being shot at daily while patrolling the No-fly zone, we finally decided to step in. why didnt Clinton do this during his 8 years. Would you have such a big problem with it if this would have been done during the Clinton administration or if Gore was in office and he actually did something about the attacks and Iraq? What if Bush didnt send us into Iraq and 2,3, or 4 years down the road he did use his army and weapons on someone? When something could have been stop based on the intel we had saying he could be up to something. I am just as tired of war as the next person, however, I am not the commander-in-chief, I am not the madman that is out to harm innocent people. I didnt ask for any of this, however, it did. That is the fact of life. Chit happens, we must learn to deal with it. You may not agree with this war, many people dont. That is your own right. However you constantly bad talk the leader of this country. That is just wrong, you may not agree with him, but the things you say is down right inapropriate. I dont care who you are, whether you were a celebrity, a politician, or some citizen. Doesnt it feel great you can say all these things and have no worries. In some countries you would be shot, i.e. Iraq. Isnt it a great feeling that you dont have that here. I learned after siding with oregonbronco once, that i just need to keep my mouth shut, cause i dont care to get in these little pissing matches on FSB. However you are constantly pushing the line. You said in this thread, well why dont you join the military. I see you sitting on your soap box preaching how Bush and republicans are morons, well on that level you make yourself look like a moron. Im not trying to call you a moron, so dont take it that way, but the way you put things, it sure seems that way at times. And the comment of what if i get drafted, it most likely will never happen, if it does, then it happens. As others have stated, look who is backing the bill. I dont think it will come back, and i dont agree with it. The military has a lot of people in it. So much that, they are limiting as many jobs as possible because they are over manned. If this was a world war then yes bring the draft, but it isnt, we have no need for it.

Dead On, Kerry says we needed support of the UN in 91 it was a UN lead Action not a US lead Action.

Yup and the UN has never lead us in the right direction. Thats why Bush 43 did not wait on the UN's approval to struck because if he had it would have prob. been years before they decided to do anything and we would have had more attack's on the US and Bush 43 knew that from previous attempts to go through the UN.

SO is F-9/11 better than Bowling for Columbine or not?
I am going to see it this week. :goodfinge

Yall keep avoiding this:

Osama is at large, Bush has publicly said he aint going after him,
he is only one man, the war is not against one man.

I do not agree. Osama, and lots of other binladens shoulda taken 2 in the turban.

But, thats kinda hard for bush43, as he owes his entire life savings to the binladens. And, if you remember he had the goddamn taliban to dinner in Texas.

Its all about money. If he was soooo religious than he wouldnt need billions of dollars.

he would be happy with what GOD gave him.

Quit bullshitting yourselves into thinking bush is a rightious man, hes freakin greedy and rich and a politician. Just like Kerry. they all suck.

And they all take our tax money and find a way to put it in thier pocket.

Yall keep avoiding this:

Osama is at large, Bush has publicly said he aint going after him,
he is only one man, the war is not against one man..

you are right he is not going after just one man. He is going after terrorism! there is more then one man in that group.


I do not agree. Osama, and lots of other binladens shoulda taken 2 in the turban.

But, thats kinda hard for bush43, as he owes his entire life savings to the binladens. And, if you remember he had the goddamn taliban to dinner in Texas. .. How does he owe his entire life savings to the binladens :shrug


Its all about money. If he was soooo religious than he wouldnt need billions of dollars. Just cuz he has money doesn't make him religious???? :shrug

he would be happy with what GOD gave him.. Hummmm yeah GOD gave him brains and background to make more money then most

Quit bullshitting yourselves into thinking bush is a rightious man, hes freakin greedy and rich and a politician. Just like Kerry. they all suck... I will not dissagree with ya there Most politicians are only out for themselfs

And they all take our tax money and find a way to put it in thier pocket. Again cant dissagree

:drinkbud

If anyone read into the 911 hearings not what the media said they would understand that Al Queda had met with Saddam's Regime on several occaisions, it is true Saddam had nothing to do with 911 however, it would just be a matter of time before he would turn over chemical material or the means to make chemical weapons to Al Queda, my point is this war was warranted. If we hadn't struck 1st and something had happened everyone would be bitchin that Bush should have went after Saddam, 911 was planned well before Bush took office!!

I say even with the Alsheimers Reagan was a better president than all who followed him.

Unfortunetely in this comming election it looks like we'll have to stick with Bush because you just don't know what the hell Kerry is gonna do. Seems to me we just have to weed out all of the Kool-aid* drinkers out of the two partys to get some sense back into this pile of political bullshit.






*Kool-aid drinker: One who blindly follows the idioligys of their partys leader no matter how stupid or destructive they may be.

Originally Posted by 94_chickentaco
But, thats kinda hard for bush43, as he owes his entire life savings to the binladens. And, if you remember he had the goddamn taliban to dinner in Texas. ..
How does he owe his entire life savings to the binladens

Bush's first company (oil company that never found oil) was funded by the BinLaden family from Saudi, trying to invest their money in American business.
Bush never got money from his dad. A buddy of his from Nation Gaurd was involved with the saudis and secured his small company funding from the bin ladens. After winning the election Bush made this same buddy the ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

Now, why in the hell do the saudis want to fund some redneck looking for oil in America when they have a shitload of oil already? Yeah, umm...k..

The Bush Family has earned over 1.5 billion dollars in the past decade from partnerships and dealings with the Bin Ladens.

Back to Michael Moore.

Book review from Newsmax.com
http://www.newsmax.com/adv/moore/
Book: 'Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man'

A just released book takes on Michael Moore as never before. Its title screams: “Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man.”

And surprisingly, this book has been published by the same publisher who gave us Michael Moore’s own runaway bestseller “Stupid White Men.”

Apparently, more than a few people want to take revenge on Michael Moore and the timing couldn’t be better – with the release this week of his “documentary” attack piece on George Bush - Fahrenheit 9/11.

Moore is so terrified by his detractors he claims that he has already hired a cabal of lawyers. He says he will sue Bush supporters who he thinks may be preparing to slander him.

Moore's hypocrisy is obvious. Slate editor Jack Shafer says “Moore's hysterical, empty threats" to sue critics of his latest schlockumentary shows that he "appears to believe in free speech only for himself."

One possible target for Moore’s lawyers may be the publisher of his own book.

Moore’s one time publisher, ReganBooks, is out with a disturbing yet comical book that dismantles every cog of that propaganda machine marketed as Michael Moore.

David T. Hardy and Jason Clarke's "Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man" begins by unearthing his phony roots and goes right up to his latest "documentary."

Meet the Flint-drone: Everybody knows Moore is a blue-collar guy from Flint, Mich., right? That's how he always sells himself.

In reality, he was born and raised in the wealthy, lily-white town of Davison, Mich, the authors reveal. No wonder the clown prince of self-loathing developed such a complex about hating rich, stupid white males.

In a letter to Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times last year, Moore still listed his town as Flint. In fact, despite his proclamations that "capitalism is a sin" and "an evil system," he lives in a $1.9 million apartment in Manhattan and enjoys a $1.2 million summer home on Torch Lake in Michigan.

Does not play well with others: Moore can't get along even with his fellow travelers.

Hardy and Clarke disclose how the radical magazine Mother Jones fired the "arbitrary" and "suspicious" Moore; how he started his feud with his replacement, David Talbot, who later founded Salon; how Ralph Nader's organization fired Moore; how he attacked Pauline Kael, Harlan Jacobson and other prominent critics who exposed the deceits of his schlockumentaries; how he lost a lawsuit for betraying fellow lefty activist Larry Stecco in "Roger & Me," etc.

Nor can the elitist Moore tolerate those lowly working classes and students he claims to represent.

"Big Fat Stupid White Man" gives details of how he abused the staff during a speaking engagement at London's Roundhouse Theater; how he castigated a student who dared question his hefty speaking fee; how he attacked a young documentary maker who had the nerve to give him a taste of the "Roger & Me" treatment, and so forth.

And don't forget his amusingly shrill denunciation of those awful blue-collar crewmen who, unlike his fellow multimillionaires in Hollywood’s left, booed him during his tirade at the Oscars.

The book presents one example after another, alternating between frightening and hilarious, to make a brilliant case for Moore having Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Then there's his feud with his former publisher, HarperCollins subsidiary ReganBooks, which gave us his best seller “Stupid White Men” and now brings us “Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man.”

ReganBooks, he claims, tried "to censor me and the things I wanted to say. They insisted I rewrite up to 50 percent of the book and that I remove sections that they found offensive to our leader, Mr. Bush." The company plotted "to 'pulp' and recycle all 50,000 copies of my book that were gathering dust in a warehouse," he insists.

However, ReganBooks issued a statement to NewsMax.com contradicting these allegations:

"Originally scheduled for release on September 11, 2001, the book was delayed by mutual agreement between author and publisher after the events of that day. Despite erroneous reports that have appeared in the press, the publisher never attempted to censor the book on partisan grounds, though the publisher and author did discuss replacing the original version of the book with an updated version to address the post-9/11 world. Ultimately, the decision was made to release the book in its original form, and it went on to become a huge success for both the publisher and the author. ReganBooks has since declined to exercise its option to publish another book by Mr. Moore."

After all, Moore and other members of the left-wing thought police can't bear a commitment to diversity of ideas.

Judith Regan, president and publisher of ReganBooks, noted that her company had produced books by Howard Stern and Moore as well as Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

"As publishers, we have an obligation to publish a wide range of ideas, opinions, and perspectives," she said in a statement issued to NewsMax. "Our job is to publish voices on the left, on the right, and everywhere in between – to provide a broad range of opinion.”

"We agree with Michael Moore that free expression is one of our most important human rights," Regan said, "and publishing widely and freely is the only way to honor that tradition."

Unfortunately, Moore fights his critics' right to free expression, as Slate's Shafer noted and as Hardy and Clarke document at length.

Howlers in 'Columbine': Some of the distortions and falsehoods that plague the movie "Bowling for Columbine" are already well known, but Hardy and Clarke add details and reveal new whoppers.

# Moore claims that National Rifle Association taunted the Denver area and the nation by holding "a large pro-gun rally" only days after the killings at Columbine High School.

In reality, the annual meeting had been planned well in advance, was required by law, could not have been changed in time to another city, and was stripped of all rallies and ceremony in deference to the community.

# The movie depicts Charlton Heston as making his famous "cold, dead hands speech" in Denver.

In reality, the remarks came a year later in Charlotte, N.C., and Moore spliced bits of footage from that and another speech for maximum distortion. "It is a lie, a fraud, and a few other things," Hardy and Clarke write.

# The fantasy film claims that Heston exploited a school shooting in Mount Morris, Mich., by staging another "big pro-gun rally" in October 2002.

In reality, Heston’s appearance came eight months after the shooting, at a get-out-the-vote event in nearby Flint. Others campaigning in the area around that time included Al Gore, George W. Bush … and Moore himself, touting Ralph Nader.

The authors conclude: "Bowling for Columbine has less documentary value than the average Bugs Bunny cartoon. You see Heston giving a speech – but it's doctored. You see history – but unconnected facts are given a particular Moorewellian spin. You hear that a factory is making weapons of mass destruction – actually, it's building satellite launch platforms. You're led to believe that a rally was a response to a shooting, but it turns out it was eight months later, in anticipation of an election. You watch a Bush-Quayle campaign ad, but in reality it was an ad Moore himself assembled."

'Stupid' is as stupid does: Hardy and Clarke dissect "Stupid White Men" and "Dude, Where’s My Country?" along with the latter's celluloid ugly stepchild, Fahrenheit 9/11, to delve into the heart of Moore's pathology. A few highlights:

# Moore harps on his portrayal of America as a "nation of idiots" (i.e., people who disagree with him) and illiterates.

In reality, the "statistics" he offers indicating widespread illiteracy include two sizeable groups: immigrants who are often fluent in other languages but not English, and the blind and visually impaired.

# Moore, who after all graduated from high school, delights in ridiculing his countrymen’s poor grasp of geography. "The dumbest Brit here is smarter than the smartest American," he snickers to an audience in London.

But Moore chooses not to add an important fact: young adults worldwide performed badly on the National Geographic survey he so selectively cites.

# He claims that Florida wrongly disenfranchised thousands of pro-Democrat criminals in the 2000 election. "Thirty-one percent of all black men in Florida" are felons, in his paranoid fantasy world. (No wonder this limousine liberal travels in such exclusive circles.)

In reality, the Miami Herald showed that Democrat-run counties violated state law and let the overwhelmingly Democrat felons vote illegally – more than 2,000 votes, most of which went to Gore.

# Most importantly, "Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man" refutes Moore's wild attempts to implicate the president in 9/11. Every American should read these chapters. They are too detailed to summarize here, but one example will demonstrate this book's importance.

Moore claims President Bush invaded Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban so he could get an oil pipeline built. You've probably heard others parrot this allegation. A master of propaganda knows that if you repeat a lie often enough, people start to believe it.

In reality, Bush had supported Enron's plan to run pipes under the Caspian Sea and avoid Afghanistan. "Clinton was the one backing the rival Unocal plan to put them through Afghanistan," Hardy and Clarke observe.

Inspiration to terrorists: Moore's favorite claim: “THERE … IS … NO … TERRORIST … THREAT!" If so, why do terrorists take succor from him?

The most damning indictment of Moore in "Big Fat Stupid White Man": the salute offered by Imam Samudra, leader of the Muslim terrorist bombers who murdered 202 people, mostly Australians and other tourists, two years ago at Paddy's nightclub in Bali.

"I saw lots of whiteys dancing and lots of whiteys drinking there," Samudra told Indonesian police. The authors note, "It was 'Kill Whitey' (to quote a chapter heading in Stupid White Men) with a vengeance."

Samudra's attorney Qaidar Faisal concluded his defense by praising the Taliban and quoting from "anti-western texts" including Moore's "Stupid White Men."

Despite all the appalling revelations in "Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man," it's hard to finish the book without feeling pity for this man.

Had he used his talents to make actual documentaries and write books devoid of distortion and mendacity, he could have offered a useful critique of the Bush administration's flaws.

Instead, fueled by a narcissism that springs from hatred of self and others, he ****les reality to dupe the uninformed, delight the blame-America-first crowd and even inspire terrorists.

He concentrates his venom on one politician and one party but damages a nation.

"Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man" marks a confident step in undoing his damage.

More on Moore and Fahrenheit 9/11

It's clear that Michael Moore has gone off the deep end when even Democrats compare him to the Nazis' master of propaganda:

# "Hollywood agent and Kerry supporter Tom Baer told me, 'Kerry should flee Moore's movie. It's Goebbels all over again." This quotation comes not from Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh but from a column in the Washington Post by Tina Brown, a queen of the liberal media establishment.

# Christopher Hitchens, a contributor to such partisan publications as New Left Review and The Nation, writes for Slate: "Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of 'dissenting' bravery."

# Andrew Sullivan, a former editor at the liberal New Republic: "Moore is beneath contempt."

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