: About the Draft


cultex
07-23-2004, 04:46 PM
So if America did have to reinstate the draft, for those of us between 18 and 26, who would just join instead of waiting to be drafted?

I would just join, I'm guessing you would have more options if you volunteered. I did a little 2 year stay in the Army, got out early because I worked the system, wish I hadn't done that.

Just been thinking about this whole situation the past few days. I read they would start at 20 year olds and work their way up.

It would be kinda fun to go to Iraq and see my bro and my cousin and fight the good fight :thumbup

Broncobob
07-23-2004, 04:55 PM
Tough question, being in college I would love to finish before being drafted, but if it was a sure bet I would get drafted I would join in a heart beat.

D.E.D. Lee Cynn
07-23-2004, 05:05 PM
didnt we find out that most of the overseas fighting was not all that necessary. due to the fact that the WOMD werent all that destructive??? and the stockpiling wasnt really stockpiles??? remember the big apology by Bush because Central Intelligence made it sound like the situation in Iraq was worse than it was, causing the deployment of troops. not that there fighting was in vain or anything, but maybe incorrectly timed. i dont think we need to worry about a draft. so my advice is to not worry... put down your weapons, boys...

jopes
07-23-2004, 05:10 PM
let me tell you a little story about the draft.

When my dad was young and ripe in his prime. Korean war time. He had a real close friend. His buddy's mother said if you join instead of getting drafted you will not have to go to the front lines and fight in the war. They will keep you on US soil keeping everything going here.

My dad said if they want me they will draft me.

So they played it out. His friend joined, went to boot camp and got flown stright into the war.

My dad got drafted and was stationed in Colorado for 2 or 3 years what ever his draft time was. Then he got out.


Take this info for what you wish, but I know They would have had to draft me if they wanted me. Now this peice of meat is too old for them. :toothless

cultex
07-23-2004, 05:14 PM
What are you talking about Don, you're in your prime!!

bAdKARma88
07-23-2004, 05:14 PM
I'd join the coast guard.

SSgtTEX
07-23-2004, 05:15 PM
first the draft will never be back unless WWIII breaks out.

but to answer the question, Im already in the military

edit and that coast guard may be a department of transportaion karma, but in a time of war they become USN so you might as well join the navy

jopes
07-23-2004, 05:15 PM
What are you talking about Don, you're in your prime!!


I am washed up. laying on the side of the road waiting for the birds to peck my eyes out and the maggots to eat my insides. :goodfinge

94_chickentaco
07-23-2004, 05:16 PM
Umm. Iraq is done, Iran and Syria are next.

Why taco you ask?

We cant leave that region with Israel just chillin all alone. Iran will poke shit at Israel, Sharon will start launching ICBMs and we would be on our way back into a un-planned shitstorm. Iran is just waiting for us to leave so they can create a power vaccum in Iraq and toss rocks at Israel.

Draft may be necessary to put enough soldiers on the ground in both Iraq and Iran. Someone needs to nip this shit in the butt and take down the crazy, smelly, islamofreaks. We aint leaving any time soon, unless maybe Kerry gets in office. If our nation takes ONE more terrorist attack the retaliation will begin.

All out bombs dropped on Syria, Iran and more muslim nations. It will happen.

How can you ignore millions of crazy bastids taught to hate western civilization and kill the infidel? You cant, not anymore. You can only burn em out like cockroaches.

cultex
07-23-2004, 05:49 PM
I think a lot of people don't realize that Iraq isn't the only thing happening in the world right now. Nation's all over the place need to be policed. Korea and the Phillipines come to mind.

JOEKILLA
07-23-2004, 05:57 PM
I've already done my time but for those who are still eligible for the draft, I say join in now and have more options available to you.

Make sure you sign up as an Infantryman, because now, it seems like it doesn't matter what MOS you have, you'd still do grunt work. Might as well get the training.

BikerPepe`
07-23-2004, 06:03 PM
They wouldn't take me if I begged!

"Hire the Handicapped... we're fun to watch!" :goodfinge

marv
07-23-2004, 07:29 PM
Most of you folks are too young to remember that the draft was an everyday part of life for us guys coming out of high school back in the mid-fifties. My 1A status kept me out of a good job with IBM so I joined up. Best thing that I ever did. You get room, board, a paycheck, free medical, free food, and you learn how to grow up.

Six years later, I got my prize, not a 5A draft status, but a hell of an education.

http://users.mo-net.com/mcruzan/draft.jpg

'Course they never learned how to spell my middle name!

bAdKARma88
07-23-2004, 07:32 PM
Well if joining the Coast Guard wouldn't get me out it I'd join the airforce, they are just about as wussy as the CG :goodfinge

Andy351
07-23-2004, 07:57 PM
i'd just move to mexico and drink coronas on the beach all day while the world blasts itself to bits.

MyFullSize
07-23-2004, 08:20 PM
Having been medically retired, they wont take me back no matter what, and Im too damned old now too.

Id have to wait for the war to come to me, that is, the US be invaded! I got some .35 Remington ammo for them! :rockon If it will down a deer or bear, Im sure its good for communist too! :) (Marlin model 336CS lever action with Tasco Gold scope)

Aim for the head, the one shot stop!

BikerPepe`
07-23-2004, 09:06 PM
Im sure its good for communist too! :)
:lolup :histerica :lolup :histerica :lolup
What year are you in MFS? The commies won dude. COMMUNISM = COMMERCIALISM!
(before anyone starts tripping... relax! It's a JOKE!) :goodfinge

MyFullSize
07-23-2004, 09:11 PM
Oh... I call everyone that dont fly an American flag a communist :shrug

HEHE!

Andy351
07-23-2004, 09:23 PM
AHHHH MOTHERLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TreR1969
07-23-2004, 11:26 PM
Before anyone goes volunteering for this sheeit, do yourself a favor and go see Ferrenheit 9/11...
Oh, and there is not going to be a draft anytime soon, so I wouldn't get too bent about the issue. However I don't think it is a bad idea...it may straighten out some of the younger-generation who have no clue about values such as honor, duty and respect *no, I am not saying all younger folks are that way*. Plus, I would love to see Congressmen's pampered kids out in full body armor, doing the most mundain tasks out in 130 degree temps...
Finally, I am leaving the Army after 16 years of service (four active and 12 in the reserves, and one combat tour as an infantryman back when I was much younger) because I plan on getting married to Missy and raising a family - and because the army reserves seems to get more f@%ked up with every day that passes. My ETS date is one month from today. However, I will still be here through the end of the year on force protection duty in the blast furnace of the earth courtesy of Bush and the Pentagon's use of "the fine print" (that little clause known as stop-loss) - thanks George Dubya - so I am waaay past worrying about a draft.

bAdKARma88
07-24-2004, 12:17 AM
Thought everybody in the military likes Dumbya

95 BXL
07-24-2004, 01:54 AM
Thought everybody in the military likes Dumbya

Christ on a Bicycle, BK... is that the BEST you can do?

Obviously, they're are gonna be some in the military so uninformed that they'll actually vote for Fairy... but then, some will actually vote for whoever's running as the Libertarian.

Andy351
07-24-2004, 12:54 PM
I would love to see Congressmen's pampered kids out in full body armor, doing the most mundain tasks out in 130 degree temps...

they didn't have to do anything in nam, they still won't have to do shit. its called the priviledges of being rich, and somehow you are better than someone who works his ass off to pay the bills. i ****ing hate rich people.

SSgtTEX
07-24-2004, 01:09 PM
and the air forces pararescue is the hardest training in the military, you go through everyones school for that, dont forget combat controllers and tacp

bAdKARma88
07-24-2004, 01:18 PM
Christ on a Bicycle, BK... is that the BEST you can do?

Obviously, they're are gonna be some in the military so uninformed that they'll actually vote for Fairy... but then, some will actually vote for whoever's running as the Libertarian.

No, the best I can do is school all of you 40 year old men in the off topic sectioin of these boards.

TreR1969
07-24-2004, 01:55 PM
(crap) Net access here sucks, accidently posted twice...see following post...

TreR1969
07-24-2004, 02:05 PM
95 BXL...

Actually, I am VERY informed on the issues...how goes the saying, "the lesser of two evils"; I'll take my chances with Kerry...at least he hasn't plunged the U.S. into a needless war yet.
George Dubya Bush is a moron. The perfect corporate puppet at the perfect time.

Sorry BK about the off-topic response...

marv
07-24-2004, 04:42 PM
Hey karma, I hear the Army's looking for a few truck lot porters. Look on the bright side. At least they won't fire you if you bust up a few of theirs! :D :p

PaulT
07-25-2004, 06:52 AM
Before anyone goes volunteering for this sheeit, do yourself a favor and go see Ferrenheit 9/11...



Or, do a little research, see how the film is full of lies, propoganda, mistruths that even Dan Rather and Peter Jennings said were false, then decide it's best not to give your money to the bloated Micheal Moore

95 BXL
07-25-2004, 02:17 PM
No, the best I can do is school all of you 40 year old men in the off topic sectioin of these boards.

Bring it.

You need an address?

95 BXL
07-25-2004, 02:22 PM
95 BXL...

Actually, I am VERY informed on the issues...how goes the saying, "the lesser of two evils"; I'll take my chances with Kerry...at least he hasn't plunged the U.S. into a needless war yet.
George Dubya Bush is a moron. The perfect corporate puppet at the perfect time.

Nah... he's just a self-confessed war-criminal.

Sorry BK about the off-topic response...

Sure you are. That said... you ever wonder how many of our troops are dead or have been wounded because of Kerry and his ilk?

How much terrorists love it when that scumbag attacks our efforts? How much strength it gives them when these asswipes talk their shit?

Kerry's antics will get MORE of us killed. But, I'm sure that at your level, things like that just don't sink in.

BLOODSWEATSTEEL
07-25-2004, 03:32 PM
Kerry is an ignorant, schizophrenic, *****. I think we've already beaten that topic to death in several other threads, though.

The draft? Are you fawking kidding me? Stop loss and IRR recalls are the SMARTEST thing the military could do to avoid the draft. I know, I'm a military recruiter. The entrance standards are relaxed enough, we don't need any more dirtbags than we've already got. Have you guys been in a high school recently? These kids are ****ed up; point blank. Our current generation is the laziest, most ignorant, careless, clueless, anti-establishment yet. And you guys want to FORCE them into joining? Oh....my.....god. We'll take what we've already got and make do with it. No need to drag our military through any more crap than they've already been, and drag the quality and prestige of our armed services down with it.

In a red, white, and blue, baseball loving, apple-pie country.....great idea. Unfortunately, that is not the standpoint of about 95% of our so-called fellow "Americans." :(

95 BXL
07-25-2004, 03:48 PM
:stupid :werd

marv
07-25-2004, 04:53 PM
Our current generation is the laziest, most ignorant, careless, clueless, anti-establishment yet. And you guys want to FORCE them into joining?Been around for 65 years now, and I can't say I disagree! I think a mandatory two year at eighteen could change things.

Stomper4x4
07-25-2004, 06:20 PM
95 BXL...

Actually, I am VERY informed on the issues...how goes the saying, "the lesser of two evils"; I'll take my chances with Kerry...at least he hasn't plunged the U.S. into a needless war yet.
George Dubya Bush is a moron. The perfect corporate puppet at the perfect time.

Sorry BK about the off-topic response...

Na, Kerry will just pull out of the war on Terrorism. Oh, they won't go away. They won't suddenly like us cause Bush is gone.They will know we have a puss in office, and blow the living shit out of the mall your wife and kids happen to be shopping at that day.
Has Bush, or the U.S. Government done everything right in this war? Hell no. But I don't see Kerry being a good option.

MyFullSize
07-25-2004, 06:22 PM
and the air forces pararescue is the hardest training in the military, you go through everyones school for that, dont forget combat controllers and tacp


Yeah, PJs are bad ass mo fos, dats for sure!

Hulk
07-26-2004, 07:18 AM
I'm all for the draft, I think if all of our kids got to spend a year in a third world sh@#hole it might help their attitudes a little. We still have kids that need help over here but they actually look up to the older generation because they realize we are helping to keep them alive when some of the locals want to cut their heads off. You can't keep from growing up here.

There is a big difference between infantry and the REMF's. Usually the local fighters avoid the infantry because they want to fight another day. But in the infantry we go looking for trouble. Take your pick, if you wear the army uniform and are over here anywhere you are a target. You look at life a little differently though once you see some people killed. I'm not saying that it's good but I know it changes you a little. I do know it makes a difference when people recognize the sacrafices you make for the cause. Even if they don't know a tenth of the crap you go through. Once again thanks for all the support you all give to our soldiers.

SSgtTEX
07-26-2004, 09:08 AM
Hey Hulk, how longer you gonna be in Kabul? We are hearing around my unit, that we are moving from Kyrghastan to either Kabul or Kuwait City. My supervisor "didnt" tell me that they have been talking under the table to speed up the wait time for my 5 level.(my unit is a pain about deploying less then 5 levels, and i have everything done to get it) They are talking cause one of the guys in my shop got diagnosed with diabities. So since he is of no use deployable wise, they are talking about sending me. If that is the case I will find out around October and leave around the first of December. If it is Kabul and your still there, we will have to meet up sometime.

bnkrtstk
07-26-2004, 09:45 AM
Why wait for the draft, just go enlist. The only regeret I have in life is that I didn't enlist like I had planned. But I was 17 and knew it all, and figured I'd show my old man I didn't need the Marines to make me a man. :wacko Yeah, I was an idiot. me now :slap me at 17

RWard
07-26-2004, 02:17 PM
For those of you who are fond of John Kerry, let me just provide the following:

Over thirty years ago, on Meet the Press, John Kerry said the following:

"I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages."

Let's think about the above statement and analyze it:

During his time in Vietnam, John Kerry was a Lt., j.g. (O-2). A commissioned officer, with training (one would assume) in the laws of warfare and the Geneva and Hague Conventions. He would thus know, or should, what was legal and illegal in regards to actions taken in a combat environment. In fact he went on to say just that:

"All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions..."

Where he runs into real trouble is with what he said next:

"...and all of this ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free-fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley [of My Lai infamy], are war criminals."

He would also know, or should, what his obligations were as a member of the military when given an unlawful order by a superior. It is equally clear that he did not see fit to question, refuse nor report through official channels those unlawful orders. He followed them. If his defense is "I was just following orders," and it is pretty clear that is what he is saying, then he is using the exact same defense that was rejected at the Nuremburg trials. One would assume that in his time at Yale he would have been exposed to enough history to realize this fact. If not, I would bet surely they hit on it at OCS. This is one of the few times when an analogy works very well.

Let me put it in the words of Mr. Kerry himself:

"When I am president, I will demand accountability from those who serve, and I will take responsibility for their actions," Mr. Kerry said. (emphasis added).

The statement above was made in regard to the Abu Ghraib prison abuses. One would have to agree that the atrocities he described on Meet the Press far exceeded those at Abu Ghraib. If Mr. Kerry is accurate, and his statements thirty years ago and more recently indicate he does stand by them, to be consistant, he should be held accountable for his actions, which has never happened. In fact, now he adopts the contrivance that he doesn't "even believe there is a purpose served in the word 'war criminal.'" (From a recent Meet the PressIn other words, he still seeks to justify and rationalize his own actions, and limit his culpability for them, while demanding accountability of others.

The man did not have the Courage of his convictions question an unlawful order, nor did he have the Honor to refuse to carry it out or report it later, and he still lacks the Integrity to take responsibility for his actions, yet demand others take responsibility.

This is only one specific example of the huge number of character flaws the man has. He claims to have principles, but sets them aside constantly in the Senate, showing a true lack of personal vision and leadership. He will attempt to be on both sides of every issue, insulting the intelligence of anyone who cares to examine his statements and his actions carefully.

As for George W. Bush, according to the left, he is a moron when it convenient, but he is an "evil genius' when it suits their purposes. The fact of the matter is, the man has a Bachelor's from Yale, and an MBA from Harvard. Both were earned at schools that were liberal, with liberal professors, who knew who his father was and disliked him. In other words, in basically a hostile environment.

The left is claiming there were no WMD's, yet the Senate Intelligence Committee, in stating that there is no evidence of stockpiles at this point, acknowledge the accuracy of the British Intelligence that Bush relied on in stating Iraq sought Uranium in Africa, Niger, to be specific. Haven't heard a lot of that in the media, though, have you? You also don't hear much about how Hussein murdered an average of 10,000 of his own people per year during his regime. That he had torture and rape rooms. People forget that he used chemical weapons on his own Kurdish population and Iran. Or that he invaded Kuwait, fought a war, lost agreed to a cease fire, then violated virtually every aspect of the cease fire, to include firing surface to air missiles at U.S aircraft patrolling the no fly zones on a nearly daily basis.

No terrorist connections? Maybe not specifically to 9/11. The 9/11 Committe goes no further than that regarding al Qaida. But don't forget, there was a training camp at Salman Pak, south of Baghdad, complete with airliner fusalage, that was frequented by terrorists such as Abu al Zarqawi. And the terrorist that hijacked the Cruise Ship Achille Lauro and murdered an American on board, Abu Nidal, lived in Iraq with Hussein's blessing for over a decade.

But Bush had no reason whatsoever to invade Iraq, right?

The people who despise Bush are so consumed by their hatred that they are blind to facts. He stole the election. WRONG! The NY Times, one of the most liberal papers in the country determined that a count of the Florida vote, giving Gore the benefit of the doubt, still yielded Bush the winner. And this doesn't take into account the fact that military absentee ballots were disallowed, and polls were called into question in the Florida panhandle, where several military bases are and where the population is distinctly Republican. But you still hear that worthless accusation thrown around.

Long enough, I will shut up now.

BLOODSWEATSTEEL
07-26-2004, 03:20 PM
The truth hurts. :(

SSgtTEX
07-26-2004, 03:28 PM
very good RWard :thumbup

Hulk
07-27-2004, 08:10 AM
Hey Hulk, how longer you gonna be in Kabul? We are hearing around my unit, that we are moving from Kyrghastan to either Kabul or Kuwait City. My supervisor "didnt" tell me that they have been talking under the table to speed up the wait time for my 5 level.(my unit is a pain about deploying less then 5 levels, and i have everything done to get it) They are talking cause one of the guys in my shop got diagnosed with diabities. So since he is of no use deployable wise, they are talking about sending me. If that is the case I will find out around October and leave around the first of December. If it is Kabul and your still there, we will have to meet up sometime.

I'll be home before then, I'd like to tell you exactly how soon but OPSEC you know. :shrug

SSgtTEX
07-27-2004, 10:18 AM
yeah i understand, the only reason i said, where we might be, is cause nothing is for sure and hell we might get some completely random spot or get pulled out completely. well stay safe the rest of your time there