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: another caution on cheap winches


Shadofax
10-18-2005, 09:28 PM
So HF has this advertised, a $600, 9k winch for $400 (actually my flyer says I can get it for $350)!! :

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?function=Search

Now go open up the spec sheet.
No HP for the motor, no spec on gearing, no pull by line like ALL other winches that are decent, no amp draw even (a less efficiently designed motor can draw a ton of amps). Only a little graph that shows if you pull with it on a flat surface, with vehicle able to roll, it will pull 9k (cool, I can also push 9k on a flat surface I imagine). If this changes by 20*,still assuming rolling surface, pull drops to 3k. There is no other way to compare it to a known winch, I would be very careful with considering buying a winch such as this.

96broncoman
10-18-2005, 10:57 PM
man, we dont even have harbor frieght in the carolinas, but its really cool that you are warning everyone about that. Rock on.

Shadofax
10-18-2005, 11:16 PM
man, we dont even have harbor frieght in the carolinas, but its really cool that you are warning everyone about that. Rock on.

HF can ship. But I also have to find their 8k winch....I swear I pulled up the manual for that one, and it was rated 8k....for a double line pull.:doh0715: :shocked

JB
10-18-2005, 11:25 PM
im in south carolina and we have one

BrokeCuzWheelin
10-19-2005, 12:02 AM
So does anyone have one? Are they junk or ok. I am thinking of getting the 9k one just to mount on my trailer.

96broncoman
10-19-2005, 12:19 AM
im in south carolina and we have one
really? my fault, there arent any in clt. that i know of.

Larston
10-19-2005, 10:25 AM
With all the anecdotal evidence of the quality of HF parts, would you REALLY trust one of their $400 to $600 winches with getting your ass back to civilization?? :histerica Maybe pulling a broken rig back onto the trailer, but never as recovery equipment. :wacko

jrdbronco
10-19-2005, 12:20 PM
friend of mine just picked one of those up for his zook. we'll see how it performs

BrokeCuzWheelin
10-19-2005, 02:01 PM
With all the anecdotal evidence of the quality of HF parts, would you REALLY trust one of their $400 to $600 winches with getting your ass back to civilization?? :histerica Maybe pulling a broken rig back onto the trailer, but never as recovery equipment. :wacko

That is my thinking. I figure one should work alright fo my trailer, though since it's just straight pulls for short distances. :shrug

AKBearMoose
10-19-2005, 06:24 PM
I have run the Chicago Electric winches and they WILL get you out...but it takes awhile...LOL...it is SLOOOWWWW. That being said, they do work...and the rating is single line...I got 6 years out of one and then gave it to a noob just beginning. They make great bed boxes for lifting axles and stuff...or trailer winches for breakdowns.

If you have to go with a "Budget Winch" my suggestion is the Tabor series from Warn...but as with ANY budget winch...maintain it faithfully:thumbup

(Warn M12000 works awesome!...)Bronco85's M12 has inspired me to get one:thumbup

Ragged_ol_86
10-19-2005, 08:50 PM
Sams club sells a 12k for about 300 anybody seen this?

Josh

badass1tonf100
10-19-2005, 10:10 PM
go warn all the way

BrokeCuzWheelin
10-19-2005, 11:40 PM
Sams club sells a 12k for about 300 anybody seen this?

Josh

A friend of mine just called and told me that he was at Sam's Club and saw they had 7500lb winches for $300 and a 2000lb ATV winch for under $100. Though I have a flier from HF that has 8000lbs for $300 on sale and 9000lbs for 4 or 500 on sale. I think I'm gonna check out HF and see if I can still get the sale price and if not, I'm getting the Sam's Club one. This will be for my trailer, by the way.

cheap sunglasses
10-20-2005, 12:26 AM
I would get a reliable winch like a Warn, but I suppose a crappy winch is better than no winch if you get yourself stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Dustin
10-20-2005, 01:01 AM
you get what you pay for, thats the bottom line.

you want a good winch expect to pay close to 1k for it.

Shadofax
10-20-2005, 03:10 AM
you get what you pay for, thats the bottom line.

you want a good winch expect to pay close to 1k for it.

yes.

well, a warn 9k can be had for upper $600 which is what I paid. It is enough winch for a bronco like mine.

For a trailer and pulling up something like a jeep or zuk on the trailer, this HF thing should be fine. I only posted though cuz folks are always shopping for cheap with winch, and I do agree, this is one area where I believe buying something with specs, and known quality pays off the first time you need it.

AKBearMoose
10-20-2005, 03:27 AM
A friend of mine just called and told me that he was at Sam's Club and saw they had 7500lb winches for $300 and a 2000lb ATV winch for under $100. Though I have a flier from HF that has 8000lbs for $300 on sale and 9000lbs for 4 or 500 on sale. I think I'm gonna check out HF and see if I can still get the sale price and if not, I'm getting the Sam's Club one. This will be for my trailer, by the way.
I just bought the 2K for a gin pole setup from Sam's $69:thumbup ...hafta configure the poles and pulley system for the back of the BKO or my 1/2 ton

Marauder
10-20-2005, 03:29 AM
really? my fault, there arent any in clt. that i know of.

Well you would be wrong :slap

Theres one on independance. Me and Dave's Bronc 90 have visited it a few times.

78bronco460
10-22-2005, 02:07 AM
That Chicago Electric 9k winch looks identical to the MileMarker electric I had.
Compare:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3633

And this one:
http://www.milemarker.com/e-winch9.html

Shadofax
10-22-2005, 02:16 AM
That Chicago Electric 9k winch looks identical to the MileMarker electric I had.
Compare:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3633

And this one:
http://www.milemarker.com/e-winch9.html

At least MM is giving some specs. This design is the basic "Ramsey" type design, vs. warn...the controller is like all Ramsey's I have seen and it has the little plastic handle switch on the right side of the winch drum. Also note it's permanent magnet, which is good in that it tends to draw less amps...but bad in that PM are not really the bet for heavy use.

Dangling_Dave
10-22-2005, 03:21 AM
I am starting to think that all of these sub $1000.00 winches are made by the same outfit in China. Check out this web site.

http://www.hoistasia.com/home.htm

dc

FoolSize
11-02-2005, 02:08 PM
That Chicago Electric 9k winch looks identical to the MileMarker electric I had.
Compare:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3633

And this one:
http://www.milemarker.com/e-winch9.html

had a buddy in College his dad worked for Chicago Electric and said it is the same guts as the Mile Marker:twotu: a buddy has been using the 8k from HF and its been fine for the last 3 years, he wheels a lighter yota though:doh0715:

BigNorm
11-02-2005, 06:27 PM
That Chicago Electric 9k winch looks identical to the MileMarker electric I had.
Compare:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3633

And this one:
http://www.milemarker.com/e-winch9.html
Don't be silly! The Milemarker has stickers on it! DuHHHH. :toothless

AKBearMoose
11-02-2005, 06:38 PM
Every manufacturing operation has to find something to do with the product that doesn't pass QC inspection...Hence (Supposedly, from another thread I just read...but I do know the Tabor is a WARN (the other 2 are unverified):

Tabor = WARN
Champion = Ramsey
Chicago Electric = Milemarker

I have passed one Chicago Electric to a Noob locally, and just bought one for my daughter. I am going to CostCo and check out the Champions today. (bought a 2000# champion for my trailer and it works great $69)

Ragged_ol_86
11-06-2005, 12:24 AM
I went to harbor freight today. I didnt have my phone on me to take a pic of the specs. It seems decent in line speed and capacity. If I have time I'll go there tomorrow and take a pic of the specs on the box. But shadow the shelf price was 599.99. And I'll be damned if it aint IDENTICAL to the MM.

Josh

Dave's Bronc 90
11-07-2005, 11:30 PM
Went wheeling a couple of weeks ago with an early Bronco that was sporting a Champion 7.5K. He ended up breaking an axle shaft and had to winch out, that thing was the slowest, weakest winch I have ever laid eyes on. Seriously, if you're considering a Champion I would reccomend you look elsewhere. I hate to think how bad it would have been mounted on a FSB.

AKBearMoose
11-08-2005, 12:43 AM
I went to harbor freight today. I didnt have my phone on me to take a pic of the specs. It seems decent in line speed and capacity. If I have time I'll go there tomorrow and take a pic of the specs on the box. But shadow the shelf price was 599.99. And I'll be damned if it aint IDENTICAL to the MM.

JoshThey work...but SLOWLY...LOL...I got spoiled by an 8274 for line speed...but my philosophy is, If it gets you out of what you got into...it's a good winch...LOL

shadontt
03-07-2010, 10:28 AM
Ran across the "caution on cheap winches" item. My family does alot of four wheeling and four brothers have the Sam's Wholesale special - 7500 winch from Champion......every single one of them has to constantly order parts to keep them going....they are always left on the trail with some sort of problem with either full failure or partical failure due to cheap construction.....my Warn 9.5 has not given me a single problem in the last seven years that I've owned it....and we winch a lot.

lifeizhard102205
03-07-2010, 11:12 AM
i had a warn 9000 on my tj. never had an issue with it whether it be pulling my jeep over rocks, out of mud or hauling some dumbass in a dodge ram 2500 with a cummins up an ice covered parking lot when he parked nose downhill. i'm a firm believer in warn's products as i've known lots of guys that have issues with anything else. i can tell you for a fact that the large majority of big time rock crawlers in southern az use only warn winches. once i save the money back up i'm getting a warn 9000i for my new bronco.

Rockford514
03-08-2010, 09:37 AM
They work...but SLOWLY...LOL...I got spoiled by an 8274 for line speed...but my philosophy is, If it gets you out of what you got into...it's a good winch...LOL

Love my OLD 8274,Line speed from hell,not bad on the batteries

bigTXbronco
03-08-2010, 10:44 AM
i would never buy a winch from a company that can't list the specs...

anyways, this is the winch i recently picked up for myself.... check the specs.

The smittybilt 12k lb electric winch. http://www.4wheelparts.com/Winches-Winch-Accessories/XRC-12-Winch.aspx?t_c=18&t_s=300&t_pt=100700&t_pl=7146&t_pn=S%2fB97212

i bought it because i have seen this same winch perform on a friends F150. The winch pulls pretty fast and so far after a years worth of constant use (he likes mud, so he gets stuck alot) it still hasn't failed him yet... and the price is RIGHT, at just over $500 after taxes and shipping. I'm not looking to have to use my winch everytime i go out, like my buddy; but i did want the extra assurance, just not at the cost of the warns.

JPenn43
03-09-2010, 01:14 AM
Well I would have to look but in the past 3 months pettersons 4 wheel drive mag had a big write up on winches and the HF brand was in there with specs. Im running a 8500 superwinch cheap and it works no problems with it. and the remote is pretty tuff too my wife has ran it over and still workin.

Corrected

Here you go

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/trail/131_1004_massive_winch_buyers_guide/index.html

Hardknox
03-09-2010, 02:28 AM
you get what you pay for, thats the bottom line.

you want a good winch expect to pay close to 1k for it.




Bull shit........ Ive had GREAT performance out of the "cheaper" winches... Hell, there all made by 4-6 of the same companies anyway....your paying for a label.

Shadofax
03-09-2010, 10:39 AM
Bull shit........ Ive had GREAT performance out of the "cheaper" winches... Hell, there all made by 4-6 of the same companies anyway....your paying for a label.

yes shit. Granted I don't know about his price point of needing to spend around a grand, that's debatable.
I know I spent under $700 for my Warn.

Your point of view is likely from someone newer into the game I gather?

These winches 5 yrs ago, say champion, HF, other junk were indeed made mostly by the same china connection and many were just junk. They invaded the space of Warn, Ramsey, Milemarker etc. which delivered a much more durable and proven product, for a price (most likely because they were still made in the USA). 10 yrs ago none of this other junk was even around that I remember.

Fast forward to the last 2-3 yrs. and you could argue the junk has gotten better in quality. But the bottom line is in order to produce something like this so cheap, you need to control costs, parts and labor. Labor, check, we got that covered by going to China. Parts, check we got that covered through more cheaply made pieces in China. All the junk you certainly could slap the same label on. 5 years or so ago I contemplated buying the junk, but was too scared it would leave me stranded with the money spent just wasted.

Warn even markets a cheap knockoff these days for people willing to risk it. I'm sure those are made in china too.

unreng
03-09-2010, 11:21 AM
Three well-known winch companies with a "Made in the USA" label are Warn (not Tabor), Ramsey and Superwinch (very few).

With any winch, upgrading to continuous duty solenoids is a must.

When we're exploring BFE Nevada, we're usually 100+ miles from the closest civilization (e.g. gas station) and 200+ miles from any parts store. Chinese junk is not what I wanna rely on to save my life or truck.

People will claim that the American made winches aren't 100% USA, which is likely true. But the American made stamp means that someone in the US is working because the company believes that the country we live in is worth more than a larger shareholder profit statement (selling a China winch @ USA prices).

It's entirely possible to buy brand new Warn/Ramsey "Made in the USA" winches for far less than retail price...it just takes patience and perseverance. Months ago I bought a brand new Patriot Profile 12000 for ~$600 and a barely used RE12000 for $500. Now with the economy in such stellar shape, better deals are likely possible. http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/images/smilies/ylsmoke.gif

Tipton7
03-10-2010, 10:11 AM
I am all for American Made Products. I hate to burst your bubbles, but like with most products, there is 1-2 factories mass producing these winches and selling them OEM to whatever "manufacturer brand" will buy them. Even the "American Made" products get a majority of their parts from these few factories. So they buy the same parts and assemble them in the USA. This makes them "American Made". Are there slight differences? Sure, some of the brand names may ask for a different quality part to be used, but in reality you are paying for a name.

I am not new to offroading. I have used Warn, Chicago Electric, Smittybuilt, Ramsey, and a few other "cheap brands".

"You get what ou pay for".....often times you are just paying for a sticker with a brand name.

I am a wholesale electronics distributor and have visited the factories overseas. I am not just spouting off heresay. I have seen where the "American Made" products or components are actually manufactured. I have seen assembly lines with products rolling off one after another and going in two or three different "manufacturer" packages. Same exact product, but sold by different companies at different prices.

Is there a difference? Sure there is a difference, but saying that paying more money gets you a better product is ignorance. That isn't always the case.

unreng
03-10-2010, 07:18 PM
This'll be fun...

Care to provide links and factual data for those assertions?

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/adv/bus03.shtm
What is the standard for a product to be called Made in USA without qualification?

For a product to be called Made in USA, or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim, the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The term "United States," as referred to in the Enforcement Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.

So there's a Chinese made equivalent for this winch??
http://www.ramsey.com/img2/winches/red/re12000.jpg

Who knew??

Hate to burst your bubble, but putting an American worker to work is far better than the Chinese equivalent, even it if costs the US purchaser more money.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/buying-american-made-clothing-and-products-makes-good-sense.html

Any more "truths" to be invalidated? It's scary to hear that people rely upon false information and hearsay to validate opinion.

Nice story, but where're the pictures or the websites/company profiles that document these Chinese factories manufacturing every winch and boxing them according to manufacturer.

BTW - I emailed Ramsey to inquire how much of the RE12000 and Patriot Profile 12000 are "made in the usa."

Response - remote is foreign, everything else is USA.

And I haven't even contacted Warn, MileMarker or Superwinch for the made in usa %'s

How's that crow taste?? :tinfoil

Shadofax
03-10-2010, 10:40 PM
This'll be fun...

Care to provide links and factual data for those assertions?

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/adv/bus03.shtm
What is the standard for a product to be called Made in USA without qualification?

For a product to be called Made in USA, or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim, the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The term "United States," as referred to in the Enforcement Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.

So there's a Chinese made equivalent for this winch??
http://www.ramsey.com/img2/winches/red/re12000.jpg

Who knew??

Hate to burst your bubble, but putting an American worker to work is far better than the Chinese equivalent, even it if costs the US purchaser more money.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/buying-american-made-clothing-and-products-makes-good-sense.html

Any more "truths" to be invalidated? It's scary to hear that people rely upon false information and hearsay to validate opinion.

Nice story, but where're the pictures or the websites/company profiles that document these Chinese factories manufacturing every winch and boxing them according to manufacturer.

BTW - I emailed Ramsey to inquire how much of the RE12000 and Patriot Profile 12000 are "made in the usa."

Response - remote is foreign, everything else is USA.

And I haven't even contacted Warn, MileMarker or Superwinch for the made in usa %'s

How's that crow taste?? :tinfoil

the problem here though unreng is what I keep saying....older days vs. last few years.

As I recall I can find on my warn plate that it specifically states made in the USA. This winch is about 6 yrs old and before Warn got swamped with all this cheap shit. These days I wonder if the warn stuff is made overseas for less labor cost (I believe it might be). I still believe the warn stuff requires better parts unlike that cheaper brand they also sell "Tabor", used to be "magnum" (now that one would go down the champion, HF, whatever assembly line). I'll have to go wander around their site here and see what it might say.

Anyone that thinks Warn or Ramsey or Milemarker is just overcharging for a name and that their stuff has nothing better inside than knock off chinese, I just absolutely don't buy that. your cheapy china just hasn't let you down this pull.

Edit: yea, my warn from '04 is made in the USA. Limited lifetime warranty. the new warn cheapy Tabor has a 1 yr.
double edit:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Winches-Winch-Accessories/Warn-Electric-8-000-to-10-500-lbs.aspx?t_c=18&t_s=300&t_pt=100702&t_pl=6407


wow, winches have continued to get more expensive. This Tabor is $655, unrated HP?? The Warn XD9k I have is now over $1k (at least on 4wheelparts sites). I bought this winch for like $670 with shipping. No wonder everyone tries a cheapy these days. $1k+ is a lot. I was having trouble with anything above $700 for what I'd be using it for (back in '04)

78bronco460
03-11-2010, 01:16 AM
The Warn factory is 10 minutes from my house. There's Americans in it, making American winches. Right now. The castings are done locally and machining is done in-house. They fix em there too.
As for the advertised specs;
My Warn M12000 weighs 136 pounds.
Superwinch and a couple other imports say their 12k winch weighs 94 lbs.
Do they weigh them with an empty drum and no fairlead? That's 42 lbs difference.

Joe'Bronco
03-11-2010, 02:40 AM
Didn't the HF winch take 3rd in the 4wheeler's winch guide?
(not the article but has specs on MANY winches) (http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/trail/131_0706_winch_buyers_guide/index.html)

Motor: 4.5hp 12-volt DC Permanent magnet
Rated Line Pull:9,000-pound single-line
Line Speed @ 4,000 pounds:7.3 fpm
Line Speed @ 9,000 pounds:4.3 fpm
Cable Length: 100 feet
Brake: Automatic load-holding brake
Gear Train:Three-stage planetary
Clutch:Ring
Weight:82 pounds
Dimensions (LxWxH):21.45x6.00x6.38 in
Country Assembled:China
Information:Harbor Freight, 800.444.3353, www.harborfreight.com

Shadofax
03-11-2010, 09:50 AM
Didn't the HF winch take 3rd in the 4wheeler's winch guide?
(not the article but has specs on MANY winches) (http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techarticles/trail/131_0706_winch_buyers_guide/index.html)

Motor: 4.5hp 12-volt DC Permanent magnet
Rated Line Pull:9,000-pound single-line
Line Speed @ 4,000 pounds:7.3 fpm
Line Speed @ 9,000 pounds:4.3 fpm
Cable Length: 100 feet
Brake: Automatic load-holding brake
Gear Train:Three-stage planetary
Clutch:Ring
Weight:82 pounds
Dimensions (LxWxH):21.45x6.00x6.38 in
Country Assembled:China
Information:Harbor Freight, 800.444.3353, www.harborfreight.com

yea, didn't Warn, and what, Ramsey? place better? The other two were no namers and one was a brand new winch that some group was getting ready to put on the market and they had an electrical gremlin right from the git go??

I like how that article ends:

"And finally, like most any product, you do get what you pay for."


I'm not sure when they started doing this, but I found it very interesting that Warn now gives you some indication of "duty cycle" on their winches (at least the older ones that have been around, plus that tabor). It's one of the things they are pointing to that provides a real difference between those tabor's (lower duty cycle) and their Warns. Kinda like getting duty cycle specs on a welder I suppose. Cheapers ones always have a lower duty cycle.

goober
03-13-2010, 03:09 AM
I've got a really good cheap winch, it's an "outback" winch, made in australia, sold by JEGS. I bought it in 2006 and have used it in my classic car business, It works awesome. I bet I've pulled 3 dozen old shitty, set in a field for 30 years cars out with it. If the car wouldn't budge, it would pull my 4 door f-250 and 20ft trailer backwards. One time we hooked up a lifted chevy scottsdale with super swampers to the front of my truck, hoping it would help to pull the car, nope, pulled my truck, trailer, and chevy scottdale...

I bought mine for 600 bucks and it's a 10k winch, I think they're charging a little more now, but jegs has free shipping so that helps because they are heavy...

The only complaint that I have is it came with a little too much cable (90 ft.) and if you don't stop to reposition it it can get bound up. I keep meaning to cut some off, but at the same time, it's nice having 90 ft. of cable there.

anyhow thought I would post this here, I've had mine for going on 4 years and it still works like it's new, never one problem. anyone looking for a cheap winch should check this one out...

btw, I live right up the street from tellico, all the local rock crawler shops recommended the outback winch over any of the lower grade warn, mile-marker winches. There were several shops I stopped at and they all had good stuff to say about the outback winches.

DRFC29`
03-14-2010, 10:52 AM
http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/general/listing.cfm?articleID=353


A good articles on winches.

daniel 2003
03-22-2010, 11:12 PM
What do you guys think about this one? http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200381901_200381901

Lindenmooch
03-23-2010, 01:02 AM
IMO.....the only REALLY reliable winches are "come-alongs", Hi-Lift Jacks, and other mechanical, hand winching tools.

Andrew James
03-23-2010, 02:03 AM
yes shit. Granted I don't know about his price point of needing to spend around a grand, that's debatable.
I know I spent under $700 for my Warn.

Your point of view is likely from someone newer into the game I gather?

These winches 5 yrs ago, say champion, HF, other junk were indeed made mostly by the same china connection and many were just junk. They invaded the space of Warn, Ramsey, Milemarker etc. which delivered a much more durable and proven product, for a price (most likely because they were still made in the USA). 10 yrs ago none of this other junk was even around that I remember.

Fast forward to the last 2-3 yrs. and you could argue the junk has gotten better in quality. But the bottom line is in order to produce something like this so cheap, you need to control costs, parts and labor. Labor, check, we got that covered by going to China. Parts, check we got that covered through more cheaply made pieces in China. All the junk you certainly could slap the same label on. 5 years or so ago I contemplated buying the junk, but was too scared it would leave me stranded with the money spent just wasted.

Warn even markets a cheap knockoff these days for people willing to risk it. I'm sure those are made in china too.

+1

I have a list of what I need for my truck and I def wanna get a better quality winch. Warn is what my folks always used and they seem to hold up nice.

jam0o0
03-24-2010, 01:40 PM
IMO.....the only REALLY reliable winches are "come-alongs", Hi-Lift Jacks, and other mechanical, hand winching tools.

yes reliably terrible, slow and awful.
i keep a hilift in my truck anyway.

Shadofax
03-24-2010, 02:22 PM
yes reliably terrible, slow and awful.
i keep a hilift in my truck anyway.

They are almost the most dangerous since you're right in the path of recovery, so if something does fail....

That stuff is a last resort.

nandomart
03-24-2010, 04:26 PM
9000lb ramsey worm gear winch..alittle slow but that thing is a beast.

paintballdude902
03-26-2010, 01:01 AM
man, we dont even have harbor frieght in the carolinas, but its really cool that you are warning everyone about that. Rock on.

theres one in jacksonville close to the camp lejeune main gate

offroad ford
04-14-2010, 09:56 AM
I've mounted a hf 8000 lb winch to my trailer and it's been used multiple times although its slow it never quits pulling. And I do believe u get what u pay for, I purchased a Ramsey 9500 patriot and never liked it, it let me down many times when it easily should have pulled me or a stuck friend to safety. The motor went twice and the relays went out so many times I lost count.

landshark99
04-16-2010, 04:36 PM
I really debated purchasing a really good 10,000lb Warn winch.. and because of the steep $1200+ price had been going back and forth between the Warn and MM , however i ended up going another direction which was the Champion.

I did a bit of research and more often then not it seemed like most people were satisfied with them - however slow they are.

In the end it was the price, i got it off the sams club auction site for $290 shipped.. i figured It should last the few times i need it.. when/if it fails i will purchase the best Winch i can. I haven't used it yet, i just re-spooled the cable behind my house.. and it IS slow.. but it works.

I know its chinese crap.. like most things that come from there hence the cheap prices, the old addage is perfect in this case you do get what you pay for. However the $1000 in savings was too much to over look FOR NOW.

I eventually do want to get a good reliable winch however with the money it saved me, I was able to do some other upgrades/mods to the bronco now. When the time is right I will replace it.

I got the package with the winch, snatch block, removable mounting plate, quick connects and what looks like 6 ft of 2 GA cable (How about enough to rewire my battery connections, oh yea!), and a remote.

anyway here are the specs:

# Rated Pull 10,000 lbs (4536 kg)
# Gear Reduction Ratio 294:1
# Motor Series Wound Motor
# 3.6 HP/2.7 KW (DC 12V)
# Drum Size 2.48" (D) x 9" (L)
# 63 mm (D) x 228.6 mm (L)
# Cable 3/8" (D) x 85' (L)
# 9.53 mm (D) x 25.9 m (L)
# Weight 80.5 lbs. (36.51 kg)
# Height 10.63 inches (270 mm)
# Width 7.1 inches (180.34 mm)
# Length 22.4 inches (568.96 mm)
# Bolt Pattern 10" x 4.5"
# (254 mm x 114.3 mm)

"Your C10586 winch is rated at 10,000 lbs. capacity in first layer (max) when spooling the first rope layer on the drum. Overloads can damage the winch, motor and/or wire rope. For loads over 8,000 lbs. we recommend the use of the pulley block/snatch block to double the wire rope line. "

and the fullsite with PDF's of the specs, pics etc.

http://championpowerequipment.com/C10586.php

for me it will probably work out for a while, i'm new to rock crawling and really off-roading in general so I'm in no way an expert, i only try to make my decisions based on experiences, recommendations and my own choices. For me, for now, this was the right choice.

Full Size'n It
04-20-2010, 11:10 PM
Since there are alot of folks making assumptions about the HF winch I thought I would chime in. I have had two. A 9k and currently a 10k. I had the 9k on my CJ5. I used it many times with no issues. The 10k is on my Bronco and has performed very well. No issues. Every time I need it it works. I have pulled my truck and jeeps out of the mud. I used it to pull a 20' camper and an old ford pickup off the side of the mountain in vail. Seems I end up using it more to rescue others. It pulls hard and doesn't seem to bog down at all. For the money you can't go wrong. My only complaint is the slow line speed. But if it means getting unstuck I can't wait a few extra minutes.

You know the retail price is around $700 for the 10k. The quoted prices hear are the sale prices.

The bonus is it comes with a mounting plate and fairlead.

If mine ever quites working I might consider a more expensive unit.

My brother has the Champion 8k winch and it has worked very well. We did have it quit working one time. We had to clean the connection on the side of the winch and it works great, just need to keep that clean. This not an issue with the HF winches due to there being no external connections.

For those of you worried about it failing on the trail, I have seen several of the high dollar brands reccommended here broken on the trail. I guess I figure I can buy three HF winches for the price of some other winches. I also never rely on one method of recovery. I carry shovel, axe, hi-lift, come along, and plenty of tow straps.

just my 2 cents.

jakeracefox
04-24-2010, 10:14 PM
how is the smittybuilt 10000 does any one have any imput on it thanx for the help

robbiem
04-24-2010, 11:45 PM
FWIW the harbor freight one is pretty nice. The 2 year warranty is awesome.

I purchased the 10,000lb one for 399.99 and the 2 year warranty a long time ago. My controller messed up one time but I never thought anything about it. Since my warranty was about to expire I called and told them what was wrong and they said I would have a new winch in 7-10 days and for me to just keep the other one.

I was pretty excited because I was about to have 2 working winches 1 of them brand new for the price of 1.

I waited 2 weeks and nothing but yesterday I found a check for 399.99 in the mail from harbor freight. So I still have my winch and now I have 400 back. wooo. get the warranty

Big Mike C.
04-25-2010, 11:18 PM
No Harbor Freight in the Carolinas...seriously...

Harbor Freight has over 330 retail store locations in 43 out of 50 states. It has corporate offices in California, and South Carolina. It is one of the largest employers in Dillon, South Carolina with a distribution center spanning over 1,000,000 square

pfun41
04-26-2010, 12:20 AM
sounds to me like the hf ones are pretty good for the money. :popc1: besides arent they the same as mile marker's?

Shadofax
04-26-2010, 01:08 AM
sounds to me like the hf ones are pretty good for the money. :popc1: besides arent they the same as mile marker's?

If you're talking MM electric, maybe. That's probably junk. It's their hydraulic winch line that matters, that they are known for. They just sell the junk stuff for volume from suckas.

pfun41
04-26-2010, 01:43 AM
If you're talking MM electric, maybe. That's probably junk. It's their hydraulic winch line that matters, that they are known for. They just sell the junk stuff for volume from suckas.

i wonder if i should base my opinon on my experiences with their atv winches.

Shadofax
04-26-2010, 01:47 AM
i wonder if i should base my opinon on my experiences with their atv winches.

Good idea. If you are buying a winch for an ATV. Do they make hydraulic winches for ATV's? If yes, look at those.

78bronco460
04-26-2010, 01:58 AM
I owned a MM 9k electric for a week or 2. Then I used it once and BOOM. The case blew apart. The MM electrics were new at the time and I never even thought to check the country of origin, I just ass-umed MM's reputation was solid. OOPS. I replaced it with a Warn M12000 and regret not buying it to begin with.

pfun41
04-26-2010, 02:09 AM
Good idea. If you are buying a winch for an ATV. Do they make hydraulic winches for ATV's? If yes, look at those.

i had a hf 2000 lb one and now a hf 3000 lb one. kept breaking the solenoid controls on the first one (they here homememade ghetto rigged, whinch still works) now i have a hf 3000 lbs no problems (knock on wood). i dunked the first one underwater all the time , i hads to take it apart cause it was shorting and the inside was full of mud.:histerica