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Sixlitre
11-19-2005, 12:33 PM
That moron premiere of ours, Dullard McGuilty is at it again

After saying he was going to scrap the emissions testing program, he's paid millions to consultants who are recommending some hair raising changes to actually tighten emissions standards and testing and cost all of us a whole lot more and far more often !

Get scared here;

http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/envision/news/2005/111801.htm

EBR Registry Number: PA05E0019 Type of Posting: Policy
Ministry: Environment Status of Posting: Proposal
Date Proposal Loaded: 2005/11/18
Comment Period: 60 day(s)
Written submissions may be made between November 18, 2005 and January 17, 2006.


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NOTICE OF PROPOSAL FOR POLICY
© Queen's Printer for Ontario, 2005


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Proposal Title:
Drive Clean Program Review


Short Description:
The ministry is moving ahead now with changes to the Drive Clean program that will begin to increase the focus on vehicles most likely to pollute and strengthen the compliance program. These initial changes start January 1, 2006.

As part of the program review process, the ministry is also consulting through the EBR Registry on a comprehensive package of program changes, both those implemented January 1, 2006 and further proposed changes. The consultation is aimed at ensuring that the future design of the Drive Clean program continues to benefit consumers, our health and our environment.

This package of new and proposed changes can be summarized as follows:

Focusing on vehicles most likely to pollute:
• Two additional newer model years for light duty and heavy duty vehicles exempted (effective January 1, 2006);
• 20 year old rolling exemption of light duty vehicles eliminated. Testing of model years 1988 and newer (effective January 1, 2006; will be implemented January 1, 2009);
• Annual testing for vehicles 12 years old and older (i.e., starting in 2007, 1995 and older vehicles (back to 1988) would require annual testing).
Effective repairs to achieve emissions reductions:
• Increase the repair cost limit from $450 to $600 so that more vehicles can be more fully repaired.

Reducing the Regulatory Burden:
• Eliminate the test requirement for transfer of vehicle ownership between family members and for leasing (buyout by lessee).

Stronger Compliance Program (implementation January 2006 and continuing over time):
• Making regulatory amendments that would strengthen the anti-fraud provisions and make it easier to investigate and prosecute Drive Clean fraud and strengthen enforcement of program requirements (effective January 1, 2006);
• Realigning Smog Patrol resources to focus inspections on high risk transportation sectors such as heavy-duty vehicles, including out of province vehicles, and commercial vehicles such as taxi cabs and other high mileage vehicles; and,
• Safeguarding motorist compliance through an improved information technology platform and implementation of new, robust security features, moving toward elimination of paper certificates.

Modernize test procedures:
• Implement On-Board Diagnostics (OBDII) testing for 1998 and newer light duty vehicles that have OBDII systems as standard equipment.

See link to detailed description of new and proposed program changes.



Purpose of the Proposal:
The purpose of this posting is to provide interested parties with the opportunity to critically review the Drive Clean program’s suite of new and proposed changes as a whole and provide any additional information they feel should be considered by the ministry when assessing these changes for the future of the program.

The comprehensive package of new and proposed changes would continue to focus the program on vehicles most likely to pollute and would achieve additional emissions reductions beyond those possible with the current program.



Other Relevant Information:
In keeping with the Drive Clean program’s commitment to continuous improvement, a program review was planned for 2006-2007. In December 2004, the acceleration of the program review was announced by the government. It began in January 2005, to ensure that the program continues to be effective in helping protect Ontarians’ health and the environment.

The first step in the review was an evaluation of the program by an independent consultant that focused on the following key components of the program: age and type of vehicles tested; vehicle testing technology and methodology; compliance and fraud prevention; and, repair effectiveness. Their final report included an examination of best practices in other jurisdictions with vehicle inspection and maintenance programs, and provided an assessment of improvement options for the program. The Ministry then conducted an internal review assessing feasibility, cost and implementation issues related to the consultant’s recommended improvement options.

The science-based review identified that the Drive Clean program is achieving reductions in smog-causing pollutants from on-road light duty and heavy duty vehicles. The review identified additional emissions reductions can be achieved by the program into the future by implementing a range of program improvements.

The January 1, 2006 changes to age of vehicles to be tested are referenced in MTO’s O. Reg. 628 under the Highway Traffic Act. Stronger compliance measures are referenced in MOE’s O. Reg. 361 under the Environmental Protection Act.



Other Public Consultation:
Meetings will be held with the Minister’s Multi-stakeholder Advisory Committee and Drive Clean Focus Group (representing Drive Clean Facilities).


Comments should be directed to the following Contact Person:
Christopher Paulin, Senior Program Advisor
Drive Clean
40 St. Clair Ave. W.
Toronto, Ontario, M4V 1M2
PHONE: (416) 314-0375 FAX: (416) 314-4160

Additional material in support of this notice is available by clicking the following hyperlink(s):
http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/envision/env_reg/er/documents/2005/PA05E0019.pdf


All comments will be considered as part of the decision-making by the Ministry if they:
are submitted in writing;
reference the EBR Registry number; and
are received by the Contact person within the specified comment period.
Please Note: No acknowledgment or individual response will be provided to those who comment. All comments and submissions received will become part of the public record.


There's also a very scary provision about light duty vehicles (Broncos !!!!!!!!!) being tested forever and ever until they're persecuted to extinction !


If you give a crap you'd best star 67 your phone on weekends and cheap long distance times and start phoning these numbers, your MPP and Dullard McGuilty's office.

Explain to him/them we didn't like photo radar and the NDP lost the election over it. That loss will be nothing compared to the way he'll lose power if he tries to make the rest of us pay for Toronto's problems.
The beginning of the end

Sixlitre

BorderBronco
11-19-2005, 01:31 PM
Wow....are they thinking of changing the applicable geography for this as well? I know I'm exempt up here in Fort Frances, so just curious if that is something that could possible change. What's an emissions test cost anyway??

waltman
11-19-2005, 02:42 PM
I got nothing against improving air quality, but air care, at least around here is mostly a cash grab.
I took my 55 buick through air care in August, and the manager wouldn't even let me enter because smoke was pouring out of it. I popped the hood and pointed out that these older cars just funnelled the crank case gases out into the atmosphere. He still refused to let me in. I almost decked the guy. I left it at verbal insults.

I ended up going straight from there to another municipality. Not only was I allowed to go through air care, but I passed. I went back to the first guy, waved my pass in front of his face and told him it was time to go back to school. What a crock...

Sixlitre
11-20-2005, 12:41 AM
I got nothing against improving air quality, but air care, at least around here is mostly a cash grab.
I took my 55 buick through air care in August, and the manager wouldn't even let me enter because smoke was pouring out of it. I popped the hood and pointed out that these older cars just funnelled the crank case gases out into the atmosphere. He still refused to let me in. I almost decked the guy. I left it at verbal insults.

I ended up going straight from there to another municipality. Not only was I allowed to go through air care, but I passed. I went back to the first guy, waved my pass in front of his face and told him it was time to go back to school. What a crock...

I know BC is more far reaching in years required

than Ontario is, but they don't mess around with factory emission specs, like Ontario is doing. Ontario is actually setting arbitrary percentages that cars have to beat, even better than factory specs and limits.

I wonder if they believe that 20 year old vehicles are morphing into more fuel efficient, cleaner burning vehicles as they get older ?

Personally I shouldn't care because I'm grandfathered in and will be permanently exempt, but what about Ontarians with 88s and newer ? They're never going to be exempt !

This sucks in a big way and I for one ain't gonna take it lying down. We kicked those NDPers out because they wouldn't get rid of photo radar. Let the Liberals understand they'll lose the next election on this issue, if nothing else !

Sixlitre

BorderBronc

I hope it never makes it your way, for you sake. A failure is what costs and just about any older vehicle cannot be expected to beat factory emissions specs by 40% over the day they left the factory !

mcaldwell
11-21-2005, 08:32 AM
Here in BC, the "AirCare" tests are only required in the lower mainland and Vancouver island as well. I am in the East Kootenays, and we do not emissions test.

As for Ontario, do they require testing in the North too? I would think that these tests would have little value/impact North of Sudbury.

And what does the $450 repair figure refer to?

mcaldwell
11-21-2005, 08:38 AM
I wonder if they believe that 20 year old vehicles are morphing into more fuel efficient, cleaner burning vehicles as they get older ?


Don't kid yourself. The secondary agenda for these programs is in fact to get the old cars completely off the road.

Regardless of emmissions, they burn more fuel, and are widely considered less enviromentally friendly, and urban friendly. Ever notice that parking spots at the mall are shrinking? Manufacturers would love us to all drive those little micro-machines that only seat 2. That actually means more cars on the road, and shorter lifespans for them.

waltman
11-21-2005, 11:33 AM
Hell yeah! I noticed how small the parking spots have gotten! I get pissed off everytime I have to park my truck because I have to squeeze out and into my truck at the malls all the time. I often take up 2 spots when I can.

To all the jerks that design the modern parking lots, see below

http://www.supermotors.org/getfile/260785/fullsize/i%20hope%20you%20fu%20%20%20die.gif

Sixlitre
11-21-2005, 11:38 AM
Here in BC, the "AirCare" tests are only required in the lower mainland and Vancouver island as well. I am in the East Kootenays, and we do not emissions test.

As for Ontario, do they require testing in the North too? I would think that these tests would have little value/impact North of Sudbury.

And what does the $450 repair figure refer to?

One of my brothers lives in Sudbury

and they're next. Like you suspect they're pushing the opinion meter to see what they can get away with.

The $450 is what you have to spend on repairs, if it fails. That's about to springboard up to $660 I believe.

Knobs ! TG I'm exempt forever !!!!!!!!1

Sixlitre

watch492
11-21-2005, 12:34 PM
:whiteflag Great now there is absolutly no one to vote for!
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
:bs I love politics:wtf
Sometimes I wish we were a STATE! F@#$%^&*&^K!

Sixlitre
11-21-2005, 06:48 PM
:whiteflag Great now there is absolutly no one to vote for!
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
:bs I love politics:wtf
Sometimes I wish we were a STATE! F@#$%^&*&^K!

If I could vote for the Bloc in Ontario I would

One of their platform promises (Seperation) would satisfy most of my demands as a Canadian

1.) Seperation itself, of Quebec

2.) Immediate cessation of transfer payments to Quebec.

3.) Immediate cancellation of official bi-lingulaism saving a yet undisclosed fortune.

4.) It would virtually guarantee no more French Prime Ministers

5.) The Ontario Dairy Industry could grow 1000s of % as we'd no longer be giving away their milk quotas to Quebec farmers.

6.) Thousands of decent paying civil service and public sector jobs would be English again thus opening up opportunites to non-French Canadians.

7.) Dozens of hidden government assistance programs directed solely at Quebec could be cancelled immediately and NO NEW programs would ever be needed.

8.) Hundreds of thousands of Quebec welfare and unemployment recipients would no longer be paid by federal sources, but would be pointed towards Quebec City.

9.) The entire Eastern Ontario construction industry would be up for grabs as we would no longer be allowed (required) to hire Quebec contractors.

10.)There are untold other benefits that 9 other provinces and 3 territories would reap, but I'm getting tired of typing.

All by voting Bloc

Sixlitre