There have been a noticeable increase in crime involving handguns in Canada lately. So the Prime Minister in his infinite wisdom, has suggested that there be a total ban on hand guns. So if you currently belong to a gun club and own a hand gun you may have to hand it in or re-apply for the right to continue owning your hand gun legally.


All you criminals that currently possess a hand gun you purchased illigally from a gun smuggler, look out. I'm sure all these criminals will turn in their illigally obtained hand guns to the authorities once the laws are changed. I mean shit, what criminal in their right mind would want an illigal gun possesion charge after comitting something petty such as murder or armed robery.


After the last gun registry fiasco, which failed, I can't believe they are pulling this crap. How can they honestly believe this will change anything, accept punish everyone who owns their handgun legally. What the government should do instead is prevent guns from being smuggled up here from the states.

Totally agree with you on this one. The gun registry has been a joke and if we want to impact guns, we need to punish accordingly.

It's rational thinking like this (ha ha)

That makes me sure the Liberals MUST GO !!!!!!!!!!

I'm voting Bloc !

If I only could

Sixlitre

Ive got a CCW and pack almost daily. :goodfinge

How ya like me now? :toothless

But seriously, we dont have that much crime in my city & county, or state for that matter. Its usually thug on thug crime, or robbery (crack dealers get stuck up too!). You dont read much about houses getting broke into and the attacker shooting anyone, most of us got gats and will check a round in you for being in our living room at 2am. Nothing like the sound of a shotty racking. :-) I work in the corrections field, so I pack out of necessity rather than the fun of it. :popc1:

yup, there is no one out there that doesn't know what a pump action shot gun sounds like.

Home invasions in most of Canada are not only rare

They're almost always Triads breaking into their rival's parent's homes or Toronto finch residents breaking into similarly employed finch resident's homes (drug dealers).

Most of us Canadians (who don't live in Toronto) can expect to meet an unarmed burglar, if they even stick around after a light is turned on.

That said, a great deal of Canadians still haven't registered "Uncle Geralds" old handgun or rifle in spite of the F#@%ed up gun laws we had imposed on us in such an undemocratic and ridiculously expensive and ineffective way.

The laws being what they are in Canada for shooting someone in you own home I'd much rather "help them down the stairs several times" in a very violent physical manner, than rot in jail for the rest of my life for using a gun to protect my home.

That's fine for huge MoFo'ers like me, but what does the average Joe or Jane do ?

Sixlitre

The laws being what they are in Canada for shooting someone in you own home I'd much rather "help them down the stairs several times" in a very violent physical manner, than rot in jail for the rest of my life for using a gun to protect my home.
place an unregistered firearm in the intruders cold dead hands

I believe the first step in pacifying the populace is to disarm the population.

All you criminals that currently possess a hand gun you purchased illigally from a gun smuggler, look out. I'm sure all these criminals will turn in their illigally obtained hand guns to the authorities once the laws are changed. I mean shit, what criminal in their right mind would want an illigal gun possesion charge after comitting something petty such as murder or armed robery.

Apparently it is going to be a "no questions asked" policy. Who knows if that will be the case or not.


After the last gun registry fiasco, which failed, I can't believe they are pulling this crap. How can they honestly believe this will change anything, accept punish everyone who owns their handgun legally. What the government should do instead is prevent guns from being smuggled up here from the states.

It's called politics. It does'nt have to make sense. Toronto residents are outraged at the unprecidented number of gun killings, and Martin is getting their votes. And he will. Its another example of the governments (any government) wooing of the big cities. After all, thats where the votes are, right? Those city-folk will think that banning hand-guns is the cats ass cause they dont know any better.

Personally, I think it was a bonehead move on Martins part, and makes easy fodder for numbnuts Harper. It doesnt do anything to prevent gun crime, they should be more diligent at the border like you say.

Does it affect me? Nope. I could'nt care less. It probably wont ever happen anyways. I dont own a handgun anymore. Its a pain in the ass. You have to be a member of a gun club, attend it X times/year, and take it DIRECTLY there and back.

He should have kept his mouth shut, but it does'nt affect the way I will vote. Im never voting for that shit-head Harper. Dont worry, in four years, no matter who wins this election, MaKenna will be the head of the Liberal party and kick ass.

And whats with the Reform party saying they are going to cut the GST? Here's a party that blasted the Liberals for years about never getting rid of the consumption tax, and now that they have their opportunity to get into power, they ***** out and say they will cut it by 2% in 5 years. Big deal. 2%. AS much as everyone hates it, the GST was a good tax for the country. As far as im concerned, we should just get rid of income tax, and be a purely consumption tax based country. More money in the paycheque, more to spent, more taxes collected.

End of rant. Hate the Martin Liberals, F***ing DESPISE the Reform party, indifferent to the NDP.

Voting Liberal.

-Matt

As far as im concerned, we should just get rid of income tax, and be a purely consumption tax based country. More money in the paycheque, more to spent, more taxes collected.

End of rant. Hate the Martin Liberals, F***ing DESPISE the Reform party, indifferent to the NDP.

Voting Liberal.


MATHEW FOR PRIME MINISTER!!!!

Yes, I like that idea. I'm puzzled as to why you would vote for liberal, they screwed up with the gun registry, are going to try and pass another stupid gun law and most of all, they are criminals.

Harper will have us in Iraq, so he is out plus I agree with what you said about the gst. Another Harper bonehead move is the $1200 for each kid...not enough, tax breaks would be better.

That leaves me with the NDP. I never thought I would vote NDP again, but it looks like the lesser of three evils to me.

I dont own a handgun anymore. Its a pain in the ass. You have to be a member of a gun club, attend it X times/year, and take it DIRECTLY there and back.

He should have kept his mouth shut, but it does'nt affect the way I will vote. Im never voting for that shit-head Harper. Dont worry, in four years, no matter who wins this election, MaKenna will be the head of the Liberal party and kick ass.

indifferent to the NDP.

-Matt

Matthew

I don't believe owning an unregistered handgun in the Finch area of Toronto is nearly as much hassle as owning a registered handgun in your area.

There's no fees, other than the one time purchase price, which I might add is exempt of all taxes ! You never have someone hounding you because you or your gun have out of date paperwork.

There's no waiting period and none of your ex's will be contacted for approval.

There don't seem to be any restrictions to carrying it in your car, on your person or in your bitch's purse.

As long as your prints or DNA ain't found on the gun there's no paper trail back to you.

Hell that settles it, my next handgun is going to unregistered !


I'd vote for McKenna

but in the present state of affairs I'd rather vote Bloc. It would do the country more good.

It's a given the Liberals can't go back in. Martin had his chance to change the Liberals and didn't do anything different than "Creten", so his chance is over.

While I'm no Harper fan I'll be voting PC simply for the party's platform, win lose or draw. My riding's been blue (and inbred) since confederation.

As a Ontarian I'll never be "indifferent" towards NDP ever again. In less than one term they spent us 25 years into debt in Ontario, F#%@ed up so much infrastructure regulations we'll never get it straightened out and NOBODY got anything they promised.

I think somebody here, possibly you, said it best "they are an excellent opposition party but that's where they belong. Our Provincial credit rating dropped three levels in less than one year !!!!!! They have absolutely no regard for tax dollars, they think they wash on shore with the tide.

Voting for the NDP would be like an American voting for a sort of free-spending Communist candidate, it's a wasted vote.

My only difficulty is I don't think we have a Bloc member running here. That would help my new agenda "to assist Quebec seperate in the most expeditious manner possible".

That solves so many underlying issues the Liberal have been hiding and refusing to discuss or disclose to us "taxable hamsters running in the wheel of Liberal taxation".

Sixlitre

I'm puzzled as to why you would vote for liberal, they screwed up with the gun registry, are going to try and pass another stupid gun law and most of all, they are criminals.

I believe in a party that holds the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in high regard. I believe in a party that celebrates diversity, and recognises Canada as a cultural stew. Not in the Reform party that will deny homosexuals their Charter Rights to marry, after finally getting that right. Not in the Reform party that will encourage Quebec seperation, and drive our ecomomy into the depths of hell from their Albertan stronghold. (Six, I love you man, but totally disagree with you on the Quebec thing.)

Yes, they screwed the gun registry. I wish we would all get over it. That was a result of poor logistics. They should have studied implementation further. That does'nt take away that fact that the gun registry has some good point. (Again Six, another post) :)


Harper will have us in Iraq, so he is out plus I agree with what you said about the gst. Another Harper bonehead move is the $1200 for each kid...not enough, tax breaks would be better.

Agreed. once again, eliminate income tax, and become a totally consumption based country.

Harper's Reform government with his American right-wing puppet-masters WILL have us in Iraq. Harpers government will see the softwood lumber dispute with the USA turn to dust. Harpers Reform government will give fuel to the Bloc seperatist fire and ruin the country, and make the lives of FEDERAL Quebecers, and their Native occupants a living hell. Harpers government will completely forget us "lazy" maritimers, and in fact, anyone that is either east or west of Alberta.

As far as the campaign goes. He was in St. John and LIED that the Liberals had not ponied up money for the Harbour clean up. The Liberals have the money allocated. $1200 per year for a child is a goddamn joke, and its the Reform parties solution to any problem. Throw money at it. For gods sake, even the Progressive Conservative government here in New Brunswick despise him.

There is a good reason I will only refer to Harpers party as the Reform. After the amalgamation of the Reform and the Progressive Conservatives, more and more of the original PC's have jumped ship to the Liberals. A result of Martin wooing? Sure! They know there is dissent in the ranks. Belinda Stronich admitted that the values, beliefs, and practices of the conservatice party were "disgusting". Another former PC member of parliment that jumped ship said after being branded a traitor said that "It's all about standing up for your values, and following your heart than being loyal to a hockey jersey." Good for him.

When he loses this election, he will be voted out of the party. And if he wins this election, after four years of us Canadians having the living shit scared out of us, his party will be gone.


Sigh....lightheaded......

-Matt

Matthew

I'm still gonna be your FSB buddy, even though we don't see eye to eye politically.

That said I think you underestimate how much the Liberal spin doctors and Liberal owned press have demonized Harper and the Blue party (not sure if they're PC or Reform).

Their outright ownership of most newspapers (by prominent, admitted Liberals) has such a stranglehold on the press and their spin doctors and backroom boys are 40 years entrenched.

I'm with you on the distrust of Harper, as I was on Stockwell Day, Preston Manning and Mulroney. Ever person, who can read or watch television, has had a seed of doubt planted in theri mind about every blue candidate since before Deifenbacher.

Everything they accused Mulroney of, even it had been true, wouldn't amount to a fraction of the actual "crimes" the Liberals have committed lately. And after they're caught redhanded the nation says "so what?".

I wouldn't want to be running as a PC candidate, as the smearing would be unbearable. It's kinda like trying to go against a slick, dishonest lawyer in court, without a lawyer. These Liberal spin doctors and the willingly biased Liberal owned press could plant a seed of doubt about Mother Teresa.

As far as the charter of rights are concerned I would have liked to have crucified Trudeau for that. His Quebec exemptions are at the root of everything that is dividing this country today.

Special this, special that. One of the things I believe the Americans will always have over our rights, and that glues their country together, is no special rights for ANYONE ! Funnily enough the British North American act was far better off for all Canadians than this new charter is.

The only people who gained from the changes were Quebecers as special interest groups, like Gays and Lesbians were already addressed in law.

That's my rant, love it or hate it, by please by gum question the Liberal spin pablum the press feeds you.

Sixlitre

Matthew

I'm still gonna be your FSB buddy, even though we don't see eye to eye politically.

Six, next time in up Ottawa way, I'd love to ring you up and go out for a 50 and shoot the shit.

That said I think you underestimate how much the Liberal spin doctors and Liberal owned press have demonized Harper and the Blue party (not sure if they're PC or Reform).

And vise-versa. Thats political campaigning for you. And they are Reform.

Their outright ownership of most newspapers (by prominent, admitted Liberals) has such a stranglehold on the press and their spin doctors and backroom boys are 40 years entrenched.

Aw, cmon now. We've both read the National Post. Its the only paper ive ever seen with Conservative editorials on the front page.

Everything they accused Mulroney of, even it had been true, wouldn't amount to a fraction of the actual "crimes" the Liberals have committed lately. And after they're caught redhanded the nation says "so what?".

So the Liberals funneled some money into their Quebec counterparts for federalist propaganda. So what? Whats wrong with that? The problem most people have is that it was run out of the PM's office instead of through appropriate channels, thereby kept secret. It's for exactly that reason I believe that the scandal was a "goodbye gift" left by Chretien to his hated rical Martin.

As far as the charter of rights are concerned I would have liked to have crucified Trudeau for that. His Quebec exemptions are at the root of everything that is dividing this country today.

What can I say. Im a Trudeau booster. Even though he was a dick.

Special this, special that. One of the things I believe the Americans will always have over our rights, and that glues their country together, is no special rights for ANYONE !

And thats why the Excited States of America kill each other every day. Thats why there is a degree of racial division in that country that is far beyond what exists here. Im all for everyone being on a level playing field no matter their cultural backround, but once a person realizes that it is still a white mans world, they realize that others need every chance to advance thmselves. Whether they choose to take advantage of the special rights given to them is up to them, but the opportunity to get there should exist. (Ie: The Natives: examples of people who have every opportunity in the world to make their lives better ON THEIR OWN)


I want to make it clear, im not voting for Martin. Im voting for the Liberal party. I never liked the guy, and I dont like him as PM. I have to give kudos to the Liberal party for getting us out of the deficit and into a surplus position as well as a number of other social advancements (which the Reform will throw out one by one). I just cant see any good a Reform party will do for the country. Believe me, I have thought hard about Harpers positions and promises and will continue to do so, but I am still not convinced that he is a person that has the grit and fortitude to lead us. I still think he will only set us back several years.

Damn it Six, I love you.........even though I hate you so much.:histerica :histerica Like I said, some day the beers on me.

-Matt

Six, next time in up Ottawa way, I'd love to ring you up and go out for a 50 and shoot the shit.



And vise-versa. Thats political campaigning for you. And they are Reform.



Aw, cmon now. We've both read the National Post. Its the only paper ive ever seen with Conservative editorials on the front page.



So the Liberals funneled some money into their Quebec counterparts for federalist propaganda. So what? Whats wrong with that? The problem most people have is that it was run out of the PM's office instead of through appropriate channels, thereby kept secret. It's for exactly that reason I believe that the scandal was a "goodbye gift" left by Chretien to his hated rical Martin.



What can I say. Im a Trudeau booster. Even though he was a dick.



And thats why the Excited States of America kill each other every day. Thats why there is a degree of racial division in that country that is far beyond what exists here. Im all for everyone being on a level playing field no matter their cultural backround, but once a person realizes that it is still a white mans world, they realize that others need every chance to advance thmselves. Whether they choose to take advantage of the special rights given to them is up to them, but the opportunity to get there should exist. (Ie: The Natives: examples of people who have every opportunity in the world to make their lives better ON THEIR OWN)


I want to make it clear, im not voting for Martin. Im voting for the Liberal party. I never liked the guy, and I dont like him as PM. I have to give kudos to the Liberal party for getting us out of the deficit and into a surplus position as well as a number of other social advancements (which the Reform will throw out one by one). I just cant see any good a Reform party will do for the country. Believe me, I have thought hard about Harpers positions and promises and will continue to do so, but I am still not convinced that he is a person that has the grit and fortitude to lead us. I still think he will only set us back several years.

Damn it Six, I love you.........even though I hate you so much.:histerica :histerica Like I said, some day the beers on me.

-Matt

Matt

You're on for the next Ottawa visit ! I'm a cheap date, as I don't drink anymore, but Labatts 50 !!!!!!!!! By gum I was wondering why we were so diametrically divided politically !

How can you drink that stuff ?!?!? That's for bikers destined for cancer !:histerica

The National Post, dicks that they are, are only one PC biased paper. Possibly THE ONE and ONLY PC biased paper.

The rest are quite literally owned by admitted Liberal supporters, some of whom have openly fired Editors for standing behind their reporters on articles the Liberals disagree with. That to me is muzzling the press, at best.

Actually you're one of the first Canadians I've heard who understands and openly discusses the fact that the Liberals were in essence "buying votes and influencing prominent Quebecers and lobbiests with the money".

The press (Liberally owned and all) won't touch that point with a 10 foot pole (probably on threat of firing). As a matter of fact, at the time, I didn't grudge them spending money to keep the seperatists at bay.

I do feel for(and fear for) the Canadians; French, English, Native and alaphones, trapped within Quebec upon seperation. I have strong beliefs that 51% is not enough for seperation.

That said I'm old enough to vividly remember machine gun totting troops all over the place keeping order against the wishes of those murderers who called themselves FLQ. Many of those murderers are living free, unpunished within Canada again and quietly pardoned by the Federal Liberal party.

While I give Martin, as Finance minister, SOME of the credit for reducing the deficit, Micheal Wilson deserves the lion's share and Martin has on occasion admitted that.

What Martin and the liberals have absolutely failed to do is; reduce taxes or use the the surpluses they have stolen from us and actually help the average Canadian.

I say stolen because they have had several opportunities to admit they, as a government, could easily get by on WAY less than they're bringing in and still continue to reduce the deficit and continue all programs.

I like you back Matt, and even that leftcoaster Waltman, and I admit I do not like Harper, as a person.

I keep asking myself why do I not like Harper ? Why do I distrust him ? Where did I get this deep-seeded mistrust of him, and Day before him and Manning before him, and all PCs ?

Could it be the Liberal smear machine that has placed these doubts in my mind and EVERY single other literate and TV watching Canadian's mind ?

I am convinced we live in a one party socialist state and we're going to $h!t because they've proven we'll let them get away with whatever they want to do.

We're actually, willingly electing exposed criminals and they're laughing all the way to the bottomless bank (your taxes).

Sixlitre

I keep asking myself why do I not like Harper ? Why do I distrust him ? Where did I get this deep-seeded mistrust of him, and Day before him and Manning before him, and all PCs ?

Could it be the Liberal smear machine that has placed these doubts in my mind and EVERY single other literate and TV watching Canadian's mind ?

For me, in my opinion, it was Harper himself, every time he opens his mouth, he plants another seed of doubt in my mind..

I really liked it when he rescently showed off his people to the press there in Quebec, and not once did he even name or introduce one of them. Now that is sad.

For me, in my opinion, it was Harper himself, every time he opens his mouth, he plants another seed of doubt in my mind..

I really liked it when he rescently showed off his people to the press there in Quebec, and not once did he even name or introduce one of them. Now that is sad.


All I'm asking is who reported, in or out of context, what they say he said ? The press is unapologetically biased towards liberals and against the Blues.

There is no question in my mind they slant/taint what is actually said and give your "their version" on what they think happened or is said.

I do not like the press preparing the news and feeding me what I'm supposed to have. They should report exactly what happened or exactly what is said and let me, and all Canadians, decide how we'll take it.

Harper is a buffoon that way ain't he. He is however beginning to realize that neither he nor the Bloc will ever win as they are not represented in each other's provinces.

We've finally become a Southern European country (like Italy) politically. We're so divided, with too many parties, that we may have nothing but coalition governments (meaning unchecked spending) from here on in, right up until Seperation.

Sixlitre

That leaves me with the NDP. I never thought I would vote NDP again, but it looks like the lesser of three evils to me.
as long as it's not liberal, you won't get stabbed with a chicken wing on wednesdays. :goodfinge

as long as it's not liberal, you won't get stabbed with a chicken wing on wednesdays. :goodfinge

Criminy NOBS don't tell him that ! You'd have to be drunk to vote NDP

I woke up in hospital the day after they got in and ask the nurses "what the hell happened ?! was everyone in the province drunk yesterday !".

They laughed then, but I ran into a couple of them years later and they spent time letting me know how pi$$ed they were at the debt the NDP ran up on us IN JUST ONE FREAKIN' 4 year TERM!

If they're lucky their kids might live long enough to see Ontario climb back out in their lifetimes, I doubt the nurses will.

Sixlitre

They laughed then, but I ran into a couple of them years later and they spent time letting me know how pi$$ed they were at the debt the NDP ran up on us
ya same here. I voted liberal provincially, knowing full well that there would have to be hacking and slashing in order to climb out of the mess.I'm fine with it. what still blows my mind and always will is the attention span of the voting public. Federally however, I don't think it would kill us,considering whoever gets to write the checks this time most likley will not form a majority.

what I've yet to see from anyone opposed to quebec leaving is how it will ruin the country.

ya same here. I voted liberal provincially, knowing full well that there would have to be hacking and slashing in order to climb out of the mess.I'm fine with it. what still blows my mind and always will is the attention span of the voting public. Federally however, I don't think it would kill us,considering whoever gets to write the checks this time most likley will not form a majority.

what I've yet to see from anyone opposed to quebec leaving is how it will ruin the country.

Amen to your last statement NOBS

I was a federalist and wanted Quebec to stay, at any cost. I used to stand up for them and make excuses to Westerners and Easterners (who are genuinely afraid the rest of the country will forget them if Quebec goes {WON'T HAPPEN}) on their behalf.

That was right up until 6 years ago, when I moved back to Ottawa, after being away for a while. Every single new or vacant government job was being filled by a French Canadian, almost without exception !!!!!!!!!!!

I'm also party to a couple of Finance people who blow me away with the tales of how much Federal money is actually being pumped into Quebec to keep them.

The number of unreported (Liberal press again) new and existing programs that are available only in Quebec is staggering. I cannot understand how a dirtdigging press isn't plastering this all over the news every hour of every day ?

If and when they leave, financially we'll be better off immediately. They will have no one to share the cost of, and therefore be unable to maintain, a dying language on a continent where 10 to 15 times more people speak Spanish than French.

Their welfare roles would bankrupt them (and will release us) in a matter of minutes if they were to maintain them at the current liberal rates.

Let's let them suck on an American d!ck for a while for their cash and see if it's any sweeter than Canadian English (ba$turds that we've been to them).

I know, I know, we'll lose out cultural diversity and heritage ! You know what ? if it bothers me I'll take a flight to France and get "pure French abuse" spoken in proper French that real French speakers, the rest of the world over, could understand.

There's people from EVERY land in the world in Canada, Hell my family isn't from here, we're not going to suffer the loss of jack !!!!!!! They'll be plenty of French speaking Canadians left in Canada proper to carry on the tradition until french finally goes extinct in North America (Praise the F@%&ing day !)

If they want to continue funding language police and dictating anti-anything but French foreign policy they can F%#@ing well do it with their own cash !

Sixlitre

p.s./
Happily, even as splintered as we are, the NDP will never win a Federal election as they don't even run in many Quebec ridings. A vote for them truly is a wasted vote, helping to ensure a minority government gets in.

There have been a noticeable increase in crime involving handguns in Canada lately. So the Prime Minister in his infinite wisdom, has suggested that there be a total ban on hand guns. So if you currently belong to a gun club and own a hand gun you may have to hand it in or re-apply for the right to continue owning your hand gun legally.


All you criminals that currently possess a hand gun you purchased illigally from a gun smuggler, look out. I'm sure all these criminals will turn in their illigally obtained hand guns to the authorities once the laws are changed. I mean shit, what criminal in their right mind would want an illigal gun possesion charge after comitting something petty such as murder or armed robery.


After the last gun registry fiasco, which failed, I can't believe they are pulling this crap. How can they honestly believe this will change anything, accept punish everyone who owns their handgun legally. What the government should do instead is prevent guns from being smuggled up here from the states.Ahh it must be nice...free healthcare and no crime since nobody has guns:histerica

J/K...we just eliminated the need for a permit...anyone who can legally own a pistol can carry concealed now:thumbup

Ahh it must be nice...free healthcare and no crime since nobody has guns:histerica
p

Guns can't protect us from the real criminals. They're in office and WE keep voting them in, regardless of whatever crimes they commit. In that respect I think that makes us too dumb to deserve firearms.

Sixlitre

.we just eliminated the need for a permit...anyone who can legally own a pistol can carry concealed now:thumbup

AH, that there is openning up another can of worms, I already went throught that with Bronco Rob. Sum it up, I don't agree with legally being able to carry and conceal a weapon all the time anywhere you go.

For Canada

I'm in agreement with that. What different American states do is their business IMO.

What burns my feathers about this issue that the Liberals brought up, now during an election to take heat off other issues is; As usual this is yet another Toronto problem that we're going to apply a Toronto solution to the whole diverse country.

People in rural areas, Alberta, Nunavut, etc all think the politicians are insane ! Can you imagine a geologist unable to get a handgun for use in the North in bear country ?

Can anybody; press, government, police, ANYBODY tell us what is the percentage of "registered" handguns that are involved in these Toronto murders ?

Press hasn't said a GD word about that !

I've listened to the press and Liberals deriding the evil Americans for bringing handguns into our fair country. BS !!!!!!!! who the F#@% runs the border checks ? IT'S OUR OWN FAULT if smuggled guns are getting in, NO ONE ELSES.

If you (we as Canadians) don't care for the guns that are crossing our borders try to imagine how the Americans like the terrorist cells that trapse across the border using our passports on a daily basis.

A gun can kill a couple of Canadians, a terrorist can kill thousands of Americans.

I just cannot believe the Liberals have successfully got us talking, in their favour, about gun control (which they royally F#@%ed up several times) during an election.

This is taking some, if not all the heat off all their criminal wrong doings, which happened since their 50,000 % budget overshoot on gun control itself.

God in heaven we're stupid, but there are obviously still a lot of people who trust the Liberals !

Sixlitre

You bring up some good points about the liberals especially this one below, that is a very good point. You should submit a copy of this thread to your local paper. In fact so should I.
Can anybody; press, government, police, ANYBODY tell us what is the percentage of "registered" handguns that are involved in these Toronto murders ?

Press hasn't said a GD word about that !


You are right about this one as well. I just want to point out, the Americans want us to do something about all the pot going acrcoss the border into their country. It all boils down to supply and command. Unfortuneatly, as long as someone is willing to pay the price, there will allways be smugglers.I've listened to the press and Liberals deriding the evil Americans for bringing handguns into our fair country. BS !!!!!!!! who the F#@% runs the border checks ? IT'S OUR OWN FAULT if smuggled guns are getting in, NO ONE ELSES.

You bring up some good points about the liberals especially this one below, that is a very good point. You should submit a copy of this thread to your local paper. In fact so should I.



You are right about this one as well. I just want to point out, the Americans want us to do something about all the pot going acrcoss the border into their country. It all boils down to supply and command. Unfortuneatly, as long as someone is willing to pay the price, there will allways be smugglers.

Waltman

Hadn't even thought of their favourite Canadian crop (weed). You're correct on smuggling alright. The last big whiskey distillery in Belleville (Corby's?) started to do BIG business in the 30s when the American's tried to go dry.

There were plenty of old men in Prince Edward County, when I was a kid, who used to tell of the Lake run to Rochester.

Heck me and my buddy went over to pick up another buddy's aluminum Chevy block in the late 70s and never got stopped, boarded or even checked over and back.

I know I seem paranoid about the Liberal owned press. Still, how is it laymen like us can wonder why those Toronto handguns are registered or unregistered and the press won't ask the same questions ?

Professional news people would be all over that if their editors weren't reigning them in. It's like they print just what the Liberals want them to, when it suits them, so it dovetails with the next load of carefully contrived deflection issues they want in the press that day/week.

You would not believe the number of journalists, here in the East, who've been fired, transferred or muzzled by their editors (or paper owners) when they get too sassy about the Liberals.

24 hours after the Gomery report was released not a single television station led with the story or even dwelt on it the next evening. Instead, on cue and in complete unison they run the lead story on some NHL coach who's finally chosen "this moment" to admit he's illiterate.

In school I used to laugh about peoples that acted like "sheep" and did whatever their governments concocted at the time, like they were blind to it.

It's only now as I get older that I realize hindsight is 20/20 and we're no different than those peoples from history. I couldn't have been fed lies and deception on a daily basis in the 70s because we'd been schooled what to look for.

Nowadays the Liberal spindoctors (and all political parties to a lessor degree) have mastered the new technologies and mediums available to them. This happens to a degree that makes us willing puppets who choke down whatever is written or spoken by the media, and in the order we're supposed to (because our attention spans are so GD short).

Sixlitre

That is total bullshit, but what can you do? I don't get the impression things are as bad out here as they are where you are, but then again I don't pay attention as much as I should.

That is total bullshit, but what can you do? I don't get the impression things are as bad out here as they are where you are, but then again I don't pay attention as much as I should.

I don't think they've given either of us more (any) tax breaks than the other, and everything they do affect all of us, so it is as bad out there as here.

We just see it up close first hand. We don't have to try to sift through what a biased press is chosing to disclose to find out about it.

Very sad, but I'm betting the Liberals get back in somehow, someway, be it only with another minority.

Sixlitre

I just emailed this to several local papers, What do you think?

Paul Martins rescent announcement that he will ban all hand guns
is ludicrous. What does he think he will accomplish by doing this?
Does he think that all of a sudden, all these carreer criminals will
sudenly say to their buddies or themselves,

"Well I guess I better turn in these iligally obtained handguns,
which I didn't register, to the police. I mean gosh, when I shoot
that crystal meth dealer in the head, I certainly wouldn't want to
get caught with an unregisterred smuggled hand gun."
I would like to
know just how many murders were committed with registerred weapons.

The gun registry fiasco was/is a farce. What was spent on it, 1.7
billion? Was that money well spent? While on the topic of gun
registry, I am one of those law abiding citizens and I registerred
my rifles. But one 22 calibre rifle had no serial #, and thankfully
the government had that coverred. They sent me a freaken sticker.
Can you believe that, a sticker to place on my rifle. What is the
point?

The only people who will vote for something like this, is someone
who is un educated on how criminals behave and or think. Rather than
make someone who does obey the law pay for a criminals ongoing
activity, why not stop the flow of smuggled guns and increase
mandatory jail terms for criminal offences involving any and all
firearms.

The only people who will vote for something like this, is someone
who is un educated on how criminals behave and or think
which is the majority of the general public.
current firearm owners would be a no vote. Is it even up for a vote,or is it part of the party's platform,along with the american bashing that's starting due to campaigning?

which is the majority of the general public.
current firearm owners would be a no vote. Is it even up for a vote,or is it part of the party's platform,along with the american bashing that's starting due to campaigning?

I think it is part of their platform. He's mentioned it often, that I know of. It was even brought up by him and some local liberal flunky at Princess Margeret Secondary. I think basically, it is as good as passed if Liberals are voted in again.

Great points Waltman

I hope they look into getting some percentages published of how many registered vs unregistered weopons are involved.

I have to step back in awe of the Liberal spin doctors. Instead of the opposition parties getting the Liberal F#@% ups into the spotlight, the Liberals are leading the other parties in a round of neighbour bashing, as an election platform.

Apart from the fact it's absolutely working at drawing attention away from Liberal screw ups like the 50,000%(not an exageration) overbudget gun registry, it's reaching pretty low.

Not to take anything away from the legitimate cases the softwood people have, it's a fraction of the real problems the slimeballs are trying to take your minds off.

I'm well aware there are disputes and I expect to hear the groups involved/affected doing a little neighbour bashing, BUT!!!!!!!!! I don't expect politicians to be the ones doing the bashing.

Their job (should they get elected) is to actually dialogue with our neighbours and fix the problem, like they should have been doing for the last 13 years !

Whipping up Canadians to hate Americans over a trade dispute, in the middle of an election, does nothing positive for the relationship and only goes to show what little they plan to do for us if they are re-elected.

I wonder what the debate will be on next week ? So far they've skirted every important issue facing us. Guess they won't be running on their record.

Sixlitre

There is a debate tonight at 8:00 pm eastern time. I don't know if its the english or french debate tonight. If it's english, I'll be watching.

Not to take anything away from the legitimate cases the softwood people have, it's a fraction of the real problems the slimeballs are trying to take your minds off.

Their job (should they get elected) is to actually dialogue with our neighbours and fix the problem, like they should have been doing for the last 13 years !

Sixlitre

The best way I can think of to fix our "problems" with the Excited States is to abolish NAFTA, and go back to the WTO structure so we stopped getting sued whenever we try to assert our rights, and have more control of our sovereignty instead of giving away everything we own.

Google "Deep Integration". Im gonna have some dinner, and im too tired to go on a three page rant on the exploitation of our country and our gutlessness to defend ourselves. :thumbup

-Matt

BTW Martins promise to outlaw all handguns is just lipservice IMO, I'll be willing to bet it will never see the light of day.

The best way I can think of to fix our "problems" with the Excited States is to abolish NAFTA, and go back to the WTO structure so we stopped getting sued whenever we try to assert our rights, and have more control of our sovereignty instead of giving away everything we own.

Google "Deep Integration". Im gonna have some dinner, and im too tired to go on a three page rant on the exploitation of our country and our gutlessness to defend ourselves. :thumbup

-Matt

BTW Martins promise to outlaw all handguns is just lipservice IMO, I'll be willing to bet it will never see the light of day.

HERE, HERE!!!!!!!!!!!

Im gonna have some dinner, and im too tired to go on a three page rant on the exploitation of our country and our gutlessness to defend ourselves. :thumbup

-Matt

BTW Martins promise to outlaw all handguns is just lipservice IMO, I'll be willing to bet it will never see the light of day.

Matt

I do agree that you should be able to eat your dinner without worrying about the lip service the Liberals have/haven't even paid to this issue over the past 13 years.

They've had 13 years to do something about an issue and they haven't done jeck-$h!t. Instead, after F#@7ing the dog for 13 years on the issue, they're promising to do something about it if we re-elect them.

As for the handgun bill never seeing the light of day, I believe (and hope) you're correct. IMO it was never meant to actually be invoked, it was just there to draw our attention away from their dismal performance record and irresponsible spending and cutting.

Cutting the health care payments to the provinces all the while starting new federal health initiatives they can't pay for and won't help the provinces pay for.

They suck and lie and they're going to form the next government, minority or not, wait and see

Sixlitre

the exploitation of our country and our gutlessness to defend ourselves.
every country does it for the sake of the allmighty dollar.
the problem with the topic during election time is when the PM stands up and says "i'm the PM and I'll stand up for canadians an canadian values!!!" I'm sure you've all heard it in the media. It's a well played quote. He couldn't have bought a better script considering the issues and the timing. The funny thing is,theres no need to funnel extra campaign dough this time. We've already paid for it with hard feelings and lost revenue from the states. that's a huge revenue for the bonus for the liberals and they're going to take it striaght to the bank.

every country does it for the sake of the allmighty dollar.
the problem with the topic during election time is when the PM stands up and says "i'm the PM and I'll stand up for canadians an canadian values!!!" I'm sure you've all heard it in the media. It's a well played quote. He couldn't have bought a better script considering the issues and the timing. The funny thing is,theres no need to funnel extra campaign dough this time. We've already paid for it with hard feelings and lost revenue from the states. that's a huge revenue for the bonus for the liberals and they're going to take it striaght to the bank.

Too true

My old pappy was reading to me out of the paper last week. Martin is making all the mileage he can out of this softwood lumber dispute and promising 800 million in relief (if he's re-elected).

Meanwhile, independent of the politicians, the softwood exports have risen anyway from 18 billion a year, when this dispute started, to 21 billion a year.

50 weeks a year he doesn't give a GD about softwood and now, during an election, to provide a smoke screen for his track record suddenly he's their spokesman and hero !

I used to have hope in that idiot ! He learned well from "Cretan"

Sixlitre

Unfrickin' believable !

I'm gonna be ill. I'm listening to Joe Pepsi average Quebecer's comments (being translated into English) regarding the debate.

My freakin' Lord ! Some of these people are completely spun, disconnected with reality, concerned about issues only affecting Quebec and overall the key thread amongst them is they seem to be vastly uninformed.

When I become dictator every Quebec editor and newscaster is going to the labour gulags !!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, it's like being shackled to a lunatic as your ship is sinking because he won't row !

Sixlitre

Man, it's like being shackled to a lunatic as your ship is sinking because he won't row !

Sixlitre

awww fawk yeah. i listen to talk radio all day everyday and shake my head all day long at the hopelessness of it all.

I wonder if submitting this will make NOBS reply visible?

EDIT: nope.


EDIT: there it is

Just watched the debate. Definitely not voting for the lying liberals. A vote for the bloc is a vote for Quebec separating and I see no need to speed that along. Harper...He voices a lot of my concerns and solutions, but ultimately, I wont vote for him because if elected, not only will he blow bush, but he will swallow as well. So that still leaves me with Jack Leighton. I don't agree with all his views, but I still see him as the best choice.

Oh, and for you yanks, every one of them said Merry Christmas, not happy holidays. :goodfinge

Me, with my outspoken political views missed the Englisher debate

I was out getting my lottery tickets. Better chance of them fixing my troubles than the politicians.

I'm voting for the party and the platform, not the leaders. What I'm truly voting for is more about what I'm voting against....The Liberal organized theft and waste machine.

I have to admit I was almost relieved to see Martin get in last time (especially since I didn't vote for him) as I secretly wanted him to get a chance to fix the liberal party and watch him get the "Cretan" stain/stink off it. Man what a stroke I was. All sympathies toward these out and out criminals are GONE.

I like Jack, as a person and leader, just like a lot of the NDP leaders before him; Ed Mindbent, Knob Rae (the father of Ontario's crippling debt), Stephen Lewis (a fine, well meaning human being).

Problem is then I ask myself do I like who he leads and what their platform is. The answer puts my feet back on the ground and I run away from these free spending, vote splitting, minority government creators entirely.

My personal opinion is that voting NDP does less for the country and is even more of a wasted vote than voting Bloc (and you know I would vote Bloc if I only could).

The longer this election goes on the more trumped up liberal smears Steven Harper is managing to wipe off. I still don't entirely trust him(probably due to the biased press), but the liberal alternative of "crime as usual" is not an option anymore IMO.

If Harper drops to his kness and hums the U.S. at least it might get Quebec's hands out of our pockets and their c@ck out of our @$$ for a while.

Sixlitre

their c@ck out of our @$$ for a while.
damn straight...the country cound use a decent bowel movement.:chili:

my opionon all and all on any fire arm they can ban them all they want doesn't matter 1 bit, because alot of the fire arms are smuggled from the states anyways... but it is stupid as to how their thinking is in montreal...

my opionon all and all on any fire arm they can ban them all they want doesn't matter 1 bit, because alot of the fire arms are smuggled from the states anyways... but it is stupid as to how their thinking is in montreal...

yes, good idea, ban all guns so that only the crimainals have access to weapons. :twak

yes, good idea, ban all guns so that only the crimainals have access to weapons. :twak

I seem to remember listening to American gun proponents using that very same arguement, and they're right (so are you).

Tell me more about what's happening in Montreal Iroczu

Sixlitre