Please, If you have any suggestions or any disagreements please do them here in this thread.

I promise, I will try my hardest to keep this as fair as I can. I will listen to all suggestions all critisisms.

Thanking you in Advance,
Allcruisen :imp :usa

The only thing I can even think of (had to work hard to come up with this). Is that we have a lot of members with great truck so if you were nominated one month you can't be nominated the next month i.e. 2 months in a row. I think it would take a little stress off of the folks that have been nominated every month, and give them time to get pimping material for the month after next. Don't know if this is confusing or not.

so lets try this:

month 1 nominate - me (me looses)
month 2 can't nominate - me
month 3 can nominate - me (me wins or looses)

:shrug

Other than that Great job. as for everyone else get to voting we missed the 200 mark for the Pimpmaster, we need to achieve this next month.

Limit the amount of pics a person can post in the thread!
even my cable was having a hard time do to damager.

hahaha, I was doing as instructed :goodfinge :shrug



wah :cry

Originally posted by Hwy Apostle
Is that we have a lot of members with great truck so if you were nominated one month you can't be nominated the next month i.e. 2 months in a row. I think it would take a little stress off of the folks that have been nominated every month, and give them time to get pimping material for the month after next. Don't know if this is confusing or not.

so lets try this:

month 1 nominate - me (me looses)
month 2 can't nominate - me
month 3 can nominate - me (me wins or looses)


This is the kinda answers I am lookin for. Great call "HW":thumbup .

Allcruisen :imp :usa

What do you folks think about that? If your Nominated last Month, you can't be Nominated this Month? I think thats a great Idea and would really give everyone a chance to win FOTM......

I have to give credit to "Hwy Apostle" for coming up with that idea, I like it......

Now I need to know what you guys & gals Think?

Thanx,
Allcruisen :imp :usa

I like it .. makes sense to keep it all spread out a bit :shrug


although I have to admit, I was gonne vote for Oscar next month :beer .. that rig is a winner to me :thumbup

Yeah, I do to. Go here to VOTE. (http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6810)

Thanx,
Allcruisen :imp :usa

looks like ya might wanna edit that AC .. seems as though there are 2 different types of questions in there right now :shrug

leave it alone...its fine how it is

Originally posted by Dustin
leave it alone...its fine how it is

:stupid

Damager, I realized that. But, you can always right your response on your reply.

Allcruisen :imp :usa

even if you switched it up to every OTHER month, i still dont think it would be very fair to everyone out there if the same person kept winning every other month? i think maybe like every 3 months or so the same person can be chosen, that way it would be a little different..... just my .02! :shrug

No Kenny, thats not how it works........If you win FOTM this year you can not be nominated till the next year.

Simply, what I am asking is If you are nominated this month you are not eligible to be nominated till the following month. If you happen to win Then you would not be eligible till next year....

Hope you understand,
Allcruisen :imp :usa

ooooooooh oh oh oh, my bad! so you can only be NOMINATED every other month, and win only once a year... i get it, sorry! :banghead :banghead :banghead

but then i ask, why would they even be nominated if they cant win again? wouldnt that just take space for someone who hasnt won yet???

OR maybe im missing the point... if they were nominated, and DIDNT win, they cant be nominated the next month.. right, so if they WIN, than thy cant be nominated anymore?

sorry, im a moronic-newbie!

No, because at the beginning of the voting, I will put up the Names of those Members that are not eligible to be nominated that Month. Capiche`

Allcruisen :imp :usa

and here I was hoping to whore my shit again twice as heavy to get my post count back :p

ok ok, sorry to be such a "dumbass..." and damager, what is good about post count? i always hear people talking about it...

just shows your participation and activity is all :shrug

ok, well heres 1 more! haha :beer

I like the rule. Gives every member the opportunity to win. Just not the same BADASS rigs all the time. Which everyone here has a BADASS rig!

So that means that we have 1150+ FOTM's!!!:thumbup :thumbup

Well except for those slackers that don't have a bronco yet!!:mad: :twak :twak :twak :twak :toothless

can i enter my tundra just for grins?

wes

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative7.jpg

:lolup :histerica :lolup :histerica :lolup :histerica :twak

:lolup :lolup :lolup :lolup :lolup :lolup :lolup :lolup :lolup :lolup

You get what you ask for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Allcruisen :imp :usa

ok... Suggestion:

At the end of the year... you have 12 winners for that year... how about a FOTY from THOSE 12?? Or ahs that been kicked around and I'm just a n00b here?? LOL... as for a prize... uhmmm... I'll leave that to the management... :D


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I think we've kicked that around before...I like the idea personaly (and not because I'm a winner...I wouldn't stand a chance against some of the other guys) it just makes sence...:shrug

I don't know man... you got a nice rig there... I'm still searching... LOL

I was wondering how to get nominated? I think my truck is pretty cool. :brownbag

show off yer rig cs93... PICS
If others like it... someone will nominate you.
first 10 nominated (can't do it for yerself!) are in it to win it.

okay... let me see if I get it all, you can't nominate yourself, someone else has to stand up for you first. Good idea! Now, if you get nominated for a FOTM vote for January, and you don't win...you cannot be renominated until March. And if you win, you can't be renominated until next January in the following year!... hmm

why not... with so many vehicles to pick from....
have it so that you can only be nominated ONCE every three months!!!
and once you win FOTM, that's it your OUT FOR GOOD!!!

Each winner of the FOTM goes against each of the other monthly winners for the FOTY - who in turn wins money or a gift or the COVER OF THE FOTM CALENDER!!!!
yeah... FOTM each get the month they won, with the FOTY getting the cover (Which could be a different picture than the one used for the monthly photo... MEGA bragging rights!!! Even specially done pics for some of the magazines!!!!

ooh and another thing...I seem to see that these votes aren't just for the vehicles,,,we are apparently also voting for the owner/builder too?! I'm not saying that voting for someone because you like them is bad, but is this a popularity vote on the rig or the owner? Or both? Are their unwritten criteria... as in WINK WINK, nudge nudge?
what happens if owner is awesome - bronco is a turd!
or the flip side owner is a turd - bronco is awesome!

how do we vote, or is it we all vote our own way and let the chips fall where they may?

I'm not criticizing... I just want things explained. I know that this is all good natured fun, and that we are all just trying to get along, but being a noobie here - I can't help but feel that I might step on a few toes as I make my way through! And the last thing I want are all of the old timers (you know - I've got a million trillion posts and I been here since just after the war in '45, so shut yer mouth you noobie scum!!) getting cranky over some new guy with new ideas or positions...
case in point... most of the guys who post...they have massive rigs with solid front axles and lift kits and mud whomper tires and talk about climbing mountains!!! I see very little in the way of lowering trucks or streeting trucks. And the few posts I have come across where the guy wants to know about lowering ride heights or something like that....usually gets flamed or laughed at.

anywho... just my .02, cause I ain't worth much more.

Kurt, I do take all suggestions into consideration and I realise you cant please all of the members all of the time.

I will consider your suggestions and will let you know what we decide.

Thanx for taking the time to give me your Suggestion,

Allcruisen :imp :usa

i like calender suggestion

Good stuff Kurt... at this point the site is mainly a majority rules kinda place, and we will experience growing pains as we get bigger and bigger.
It's the kinda thing you always hope for, but can't plan on until it's happening... ya know?

Anyway... I like the ideas and the fact that your taking the time to give them!

As for the street queens vs. the mud kings... :shrug

why not... with so many vehicles to pick from....
have it so that you can only be nominated ONCE every three months!!!
and once you win FOTM, that's it your OUT FOR GOOD!!!
one reason someone can win once a year is a truck can change alot in that time, it can become a totally differnt ride and therefor should be able to win again later.

how do we vote, or is it we all vote our own way and let the chips fall where they may
pretty much, personally I use a little of both to judge my vote. I want to see at least slightly modified rig that gets used offroad before I will vote for them. After all this is an offroad site and having atruck that only see malls and curbs dosent appeal to me and shouldnt be on the front page. also I am not going to vote for jackass either, they must show some kinda of respect and helpfulness on the forum. now a member could have a stock truck and never take it in the dirt and be the biggest help on the board but I wont vote for them simply cause I dont think their truck is front page materal yet. I would rather see someone that busted there ass to build a sick ride go up there. I think so far we have been doing a good job with that.

they have massive rigs with solid front axles and lift kits and mud whomper tires and talk about climbing mountains!!! I see very little in the way of lowering trucks or streeting trucks. And the few posts I have come across where the guy wants to know about lowering ride heights or something like that....usually gets flamed or laughed at
maybe thats cause there is a reason for that, a bronco is a 4WD for god sake and should be used as one. now if someone wants to build a trick street bronco be my guest more power to them. I respect anyone that devots a ton of time in building a truck. now the people I hate is the ones that want to know how 22" rims will fit on a stock bronco, thats just tossing money out the window and will look like sh t anyway. I have yet to see a sick street bronco. I would like something along the lines a of lighting version or something, I would drive something like that.

Agreed!!!

I was just playing devil's advocate for all those guys who review this site, but don't type in anything.

If you read my posts concerning rides, you would know that the rigs I like are semi stock... not too tricked out, but definitely attainable by fellow wrench turners...who don't necessarily make a ton of moolah. A little lift, some motor work, some nice rims, a FUN rig that everyone can enjoy is what my idea of a good Bronc...

but you guys are right!!! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I have learned that sometimes we can learn something from one another.

This is in my honest opinion, one of the best truck sites I know!!!!!
Please keep up the good work.
and yeah... I really don't like street queens.. just raising the question... if you doubt me - look at my own rig!

OK... uhmmm how about a second category?? You know, like they do in NHRA... different classes... It is a bit unfair to compare the super builts to the ones used as DD's and do a little wheeling on weekends. or... How about TTB and SAS classes???

Just an idea... I'm not suggesting a class for every possible combination... that would be insane... LOL... hehhe... how about an entry fee???? :histerica :histerica :wacko :brownbag :goodfinge

oh, hey, then we could maybe add on to the pageantry, a Miss Bronco Calendar!!!! :shocked :histerica :wacko :chili: :goodfinge :brownbag


ok... j/k y'all ( with the latter portion of this post...)

:rebelflag

hey Tom... those ideas were AWESOME....

Let's see,

Lowrider Queens - specializing on Paint Jobs, Rims, Stereo Equipment, and Interiors.

Daily Drivers - Specializing in low budget ideas with big potential, clean sweet rigs with class, with minimum monetary expenditures and lifts/slam heights imposed. Emphasizing homebuilts and do it yourselfers!

SkyJacker Superbuilts - the open class where the sky (pun intended) is the limit, high lift kits, big tires, big engines, big money.

Oddity Class - Drag racers, One off experimentals, Dune Racers, and anything else that doesn't fit into the other classes.



Miss Bronco Contest... Each lovely lady must pose infront of a members ride, wives, girlfriends, shorties preferred... no ringers (too easy to rent a body)

Winners go into the calender!!!!

having several catagorys is just going to add confusion. plus it makes winning even that much better for someone knowing the won out of everyone on the site.

basically catogorys is a bad idea.

:stupid

I have to agree with Dustin. Why make things so complicated? I think its fine the way it is now. I have Posted All the Members that are not eligible for this This Months Nominees (http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?p=231134#post231134)

Allcruisen :imp :usa

:stupid :rockon

why not... with so many vehicles to pick from....
have it so that you can only be nominated ONCE every three months!!!
and once you win FOTM, that's it your OUT FOR GOOD!!!
What about members with multiple rides?
I've won FOTM, and was a close second for FOTY, does this mean that the rig I'm currently building can't do the same?? :shrug

Another thought ....

when there is a tie, instead of just continuing with the votes for a few days, would it work better to start a new poll with just the two tied nominees for a few days or so?! not sure, but that seems to be the way that most tied events work well. :shrug

:stupid
that's a good idea, so more people can vote to decide the tie

No offense meant... I was just tossing out ideas. The current way is okay but in the future... when we got like a million people on board, will things always remain the same? I hope not, all things that live must grow. Just like our Broncos :))))

What about have voting on the 10 nominees the first 3 weeks and take the people from the top 3 and let every one vote on those 3 (or 4 if its close) during the last week? The first 3 weeks would be kind of like a primary. :drinkbud

Then again I could save my vote until last in case of a tie and the person who sends me a sixer gets my vote. :beer Or if its a one vote difference I could tie it up . . . this could be fun . . .

i think that if the FOTM voting thread was also in the Gen Chit Chat..... area that it would recieve more votes due to more people participating in that area of the website. I think it would be worth a try for a month or 2, if it doesnt work, then dont do it again

How can one compete against moderators who are on all the time? This seems a popularity contest more than based upon the rig. I personally believe mods have an unfair advantage. Is this contest for members or management?
Perhaps you could do mod of the quarter? That would honor the mod who's helped the most.

One win period! That is enough of an honor, there a many, many, members, give someone else a chance.

:cry getting my ass kicked again! :brownbag

Thanks for the great idea's everyone... we do read and discuss them.
Please realize that many of your suggestions are great, but even though we help MOD the site and run this contest... we don't get paid to work here and we all have lives to live. Unfortunatly ideas that require more time than we have available will more than likely (unless they totally RULE) not be initiated, until one of us retires and has nothing more to do than serve the FSB membership. Sorry... but we have to work within the bounds of our realities. :cry

PM comin' your way BLOWN...

Is there any way you can cast a mass notification or post the dates for Nominations and voting? the beginning of the month creeps up on a lot of people and i think i speak for them when i say i want a chance to nominate. if not, thats cool too, but you're getting a big fat bird for it :goodfinge lol

Well here is my 2 cents.

I think we should strip Pepe of his moderator title, tar and feather him and drop him off at the "Blue Oyster Bar" from the Police Academy Movies. :thumbup

No, honestly, here is what i think. I don't think that the moderators get nominated because they are moderators, i think they get nominated cause they have nice rides, and have put alot of time and cash into them.

In my opinion, we should have a "Tech Helper of the Month" contest too. Steve83, Blaze, Marauder, Nomad, well pretty much everyone has given me solid, good advice. This way the person that is getting nominated for FOTM, isn't nominated for their broad knowledge of Bronco's.

I like the idea of being able to be nominated again in the same year. We should also have a quarterly contest for "Most Improved Bronco". But here is what you run into, alot of different lifestyles here. Some people have the money to dump into their bronc, alot don't. There should be something for the little guy. The big guys with the nice rigs deserve credit, but we should acknowledge the little guy. :shrug

Anyhow, just my 2 cents

Hmmm... In light of what Bronco Rob has said, he might be on to something... A recognition section in the general area or something might be in order...


I still think there is room for a two class FOTM, Mild and Wild... but I think this was discussed previously...

Keep the pics current. Last month people were posting pics from 2003. One or two for a comparison of how the truck has changed, be it lift, sas, paint, etc... and try to keep it limited to pics of the truck wheeling, getting lifted,engine install,showing and shining. Dog, farm, mountain, workplace, etc...pics are cool, but after all it is Fullsize of the Month.

Is there to make it so only nominees can post in the thread? Do we really need to know who voted for who? It should be pics and rig info. Going through 12 pages of BS for 4 pages of pics gets old.

Blown there is no way to you are going to stop the popularity contest of it, it's just the nature of the beast. It's more of person of the month and the truck many times is secondary. IMO the contest is a good way to profile members rigs, but it breeds drama and contempt, but it's my opinion.

Hmmm... In light of what Bronco Rob has said, he might be on to something... A recognition section in the general area or something might be in order...


I still think there is room for a two class FOTM, Mild and Wild... but I think this was discussed previously...

I agree with bronco rob,alot of guys do not have the cash flow to go to the extreme :twotu:

I've read through the rules a couple times and would like to suggest an addition to the FOTM rules sticky. The sticky says the winner must meet the commitment to Bronco Driver magazine, but it doesn't say what that commitment is. I dug around enough to find it, but it would be nice if that info was just added to the sticky.

Thanks for the chance to compete, this is the first time in my life I've ever had anything worth competing with :twotu:

I just emailed Bronco Driver magazine and he told me what he needed. Which pretty much is a story of your rig. Beginning to what it is now and some pics. The higher the quality the better. I'm hoping to be in the next issue. I gave them my address. Not sure If I'll be getting the subscription or not. I hope they send it.

I sent all my information in and got my subscription and my article in a mag.

When are we gonna get started???:popc1:

When are we gonna get started???:popc1:
{Tapping Microphone}...Hello...testing...1...2...3...Is this thing working?:histerica

what was the topic again??

I love FOTM but I would like to know more about the winner's truck. I suggest instead of lit put suspension so they can list all of the suspension and sas info. Also I would like to see wheels/tires on the bill. Just my 2 cents. Great site guys!

Just Reading through a few of the past FOTM and through this recent month. It may only be me but I feel it needs to be addressed. There are some unnecissary comments that are being made by people voting. Such as " I didnt vote for the other people because there rigs werent wheeled enough" or " I voted for so and so because there rig wasnt TTB" I wasnt aware that you had to have a solid axel or beat the piss outa your truck to win. I think that the " negative" comments need to stop. Its on thing to say Hey I voted for you cause its a bad ass rig, or after looking at all the rigs I liked your the most, or not even say who you voted for. I dunno I dont want bitch because when too many people bitch it gets stuff taken away. I think that FOTM is great it gives people a chance to show off there stuff and what capabilities it has. So now that Ive adressed it Is it only me or does anyone else agree?

i agree. The nice clean rigs dont have a chance IMO. The contest isnt whoever did the most work or who has wheeled the most or the person who owns the rig, its Fullsize truck of the month. But, i think the majority of people voting all share the common belief that the truck that gets wheeled hardest and has the most work done to it should get FOTM. I dont agree with it, i actually go for the cleaner rigs like yours 1clean5.8, but thats just me and i know other people prefer other things, i guess thats why we vote.

Its not really that I care to much about who wins or looses. Weather its a clean truck or a beat to shit truck I vote for beat to shit trucks alot just cause I like what they can do and what has been done with them. I also appreciate when a vehicle is clean. Like I said before I may be the only one but I dont think its necissary to post negative comments on why you didnt vote for other people. If you want to tell someone why you voted for them It should really be only directed at them not to the other contestants. Like I stated earlier "I voted for you cause I liked your truck the most." not the "well I voted for you cause you are a solid axel and TTB sucks" or "I voted for you because noone else wheeled enough" so thats my rant.

Just Reading through a few of the past FOTM and through this recent month. It may only be me but I feel it needs to be addressed. There are some unnecissary comments that are being made by people voting. Such as " I didnt vote for the other people because there rigs werent wheeled enough" or " I voted for so and so because there rig wasnt TTB" I wasnt aware that you had to have a solid axel or beat the piss outa your truck to win. I think that the " negative" comments need to stop. Its on thing to say Hey I voted for you cause its a bad ass rig, or after looking at all the rigs I liked your the most, or not even say who you voted for. I dunno I dont want bitch because when too many people bitch it gets stuff taken away. I think that FOTM is great it gives people a chance to show off there stuff and what capabilities it has. So now that Ive adressed it Is it only me or does anyone else agree?

I agree.

As long as the "I didn't vote for you . . ." post isn't assholeish, I think it's ok. "TTB sucks" is not a good example of constructive critism.

I'm guilty of saying why I didn't vote for someone. In the last race, I said that I didn't vote for Sgt. Tex because of his camo job. I didn't say "camo sucks", I just stated that it wasn't my thing. He actually agreed and said that he was tired of it himself.

I dunno . . . I think it's ok to say why you didn't vote for someone as long as you try to put it in a constructive way, but I can see how it usually isn't stated/taken in that manner.

BTW, I didn't vote for you Clean because everyone knows red is mo' better than blue :goodfinge

(JK :whiteflag )

Pepe`, Marauder and Myself try too keep a close eye on this and not let it get offensive....Believe me when it does, I get tons of PM's...

I agree and its all in the "RULES", Anything from mild to wild is eligible....

You are always gonna have some one say something that some one else doesnt like....Thats just life....

I understand where you are coming from on this clean and I wish it did nt get to where we have to censure everything that is being said.

Allcruisen :imp :usa

Pepe`, Marauder and Myself try too keep a close eye on this and not let it get offensive....Believe me when it does, I get tons of PM's...

I agree and its all in the "RULES", Anything from mild to wild is eligible....

You are always gonna have some one say something that some one else doesnt like....Thats just life....

I understand where you are coming from on this clean and I wish it did nt get to where we have to censure everything that is being said.

Allcruisen :imp :usa
I hope it doesn't come to censorship on comments. As long as it's not being a dickhead, everyone is completely within bounds to say why or why they didn't vote for someone. If a nominee is offended, that's their problem, not the person who posted their opinion.

As long as the "I didn't vote for you . . ." post isn't assholeish, I think it's ok. "TTB sucks" is not a good example of constructive critism.

I'm guilty of saying why I didn't vote for someone. In the last race, I said that I didn't vote for Sgt. Tex because of his camo job. I didn't say "camo sucks", I just stated that it wasn't my thing. He actually agreed and said that he was tired of it himself.

I dunno . . . I think it's ok to say why you didn't vote for someone as long as you try to put it in a constructive way, but I can see how it usually isn't stated/taken in that manner.

BTW, I didn't vote for you Clean because everyone knows red is mo' better than blue :goodfinge

(JK :whiteflag )



he is right, i didnt care one bit about the comment, and I am getting tired of camo, way to many people around here have camo since ive done my truck up...its like i started a trend, when i wanted to be different...oh well new scheme coming soon eventually.

and i agree, negative comments like such and such sucks shouldnt be posted, but as hopper said, he didnt vote for me cause he doesnt care for the camo, no biggie.

I personally dont like the people that say that a ttbed rig shouldnt even be in the race, or they wont vote cause not one SAS, etc type thing. Sorry truck came with a TTB, not everyone has the time, money, experience, or tools to pull off a job like that. Wheel what ya got. Hell some people dont even wheel it, it is there daily driver/tow rig. more power to them, not everyone uses it for the same purpose....so yeah i think those kinda comments shouldnt be posted.

I think comments that say why someone voted for one but not for another are perfectly ok as long as they aren't just mean like you suck or your truck sucks. Sometimes letting people know why you voted one way or another could help make decisions on changes you might want to make or to know why someone else is doing better. We all vote for different trucks for different reasons and to not allow people to say why they did nor didn't vote for someone is censorship at it's worst. Life is not always cherries and roses, so it is sometimes good to hear the good and the bad about things. Constructive criticism should be allowed and be perfectly fine. That is my 2 cents worth.

I agree with the comments, as long as they are with respect....We would only sensor those that are offensive to one or another..

Allcruisen :imp :usa

I've noticed, along with everyone else, that all the FOTM winners and even nominees are all hardcore offroaders. There is nothing ewrong with that, I just would like to see like a "Classic FOTM" or something for people with restored or restomod bronco's. Ones that are clean and straight and not for complete offroad use. Just my opinion

Gacknar won and his is a street queen. Very tastefully restored.

I've noticed, along with everyone else, that all the FOTM winners and even nominees are all hardcore offroaders. There is nothing ewrong with that, I just would like to see like a "Classic FOTM" or something for people with restored or restomod bronco's. Ones that are clean and straight and not for complete offroad use. Just my opinion

Then vote and nominate people with those kinds of trucks. When the time is right he/she will win:thumbup

We need more involvement in this. More people need to nominate, and more people need to accept. I think a lot of folks are afraid and don't nominate/accept BECAUSE they aren't built to the hilt or into pushin it hard offroad.

We just need to encourage EVERYONE to participate in this no matter what level they and their truck is at. We are a family (estranged for sure) and we need to participate as one.

Unless you really just don't want to.

Gacknar won and his is a street queen. Very tastefully restored.Thanks :thumbup

Then vote and nominate people with those kinds of trucks. When the time is right he/she will win:thumbupExactly :thumbup

We need more involvement in this. More people need to nominate, and more people need to accept. I think a lot of folks are afraid and don't nominate/accept BECAUSE they aren't built to the hilt or into pushin it hard offroad.

We just need to encourage EVERYONE to participate in this no matter what level they and their truck is at. We are a family (estranged for sure) and we need to participate as one.

Unless you really just don't want to.I try to remind everyone to vote/nominate. I have three locked threads with links in them that I routeenly bump. I am contemplating placing one in each forum.

Butttt.......

I went a little overboard with the one in the political forum.
Got a good hard thwaking for it. :smilie_slap
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96292





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We need more involvement in this. More people need to nominate, and more people need to accept. I think a lot of folks are afraid and don't nominate/accept BECAUSE they aren't built to the hilt or into pushin it hard offroad.

We just need to encourage EVERYONE to participate in this no matter what level they and their truck is at. We are a family (estranged for sure) and we need to participate as one.

Unless you really just don't want to.

I agree

I try to remind everyone to vote/nominate. I have three locked threads with links in them that I routeenly bump. I am contemplating placing one in each forum.

Butttt.......

I went a little overboard with the one in the political forum.
Got a good hard thwaking for it. :smilie_slapAs one of the more mild of the thwackers referred to, I'll repeat what I said there.

The length of the thread can get intimidating; when one guy posts 40 or 50 pictures of himself, I'm not really inclined to go any further. It begins to make a joke out of something you guys want to be serious.

Maybe some guidelines could be set to limit how much self-promotion the guys can do in the FOTM thread - just post the 5 or 10 of the best pics as a teaser to get you to look at them, with a link to their own personal thread that has as many pics as they want?

I still think the posting should be limited to those who are nominated. All the filler posts of " I gotta give it to this guy" or " why didn't you do this" take away from the purpose of the thread.

It should also be limited to pics of the truck, and what was done to it. No dog pics, no girlfriend pics (we have threads for both).

You're not going to take the human factor out of it. There can be the biggest, baddest built rig in the contest and it will lose to a truck that is half as built, or not built at all because it was up against a member who has been here for ever and has a bunch of E-friends. Which is BS in my opinion because it is not Member of the Month, it is Fullsize of the Month.

The length of the thread can get intimidating; when one guy posts 40 or 50 pictures of himself, I'm not really inclined to go any further. It begins to make a joke out of something you guys want to be serious.?40 or 50 pics at once can be a bit annoying I agree, but 40 or 50 per the length of the entire thread doesn't bother me any.

What bothers me are those who don't take the time to resize there 5-Mega pixel pics to a reasonable size.

Maybe some guidelines could be set to limit how much self-promotion the guys can do in the FOTM thread.The whole point of the thread is self promotion, or at least Bronco promotion. :toothless

Setting "guidelines" doesn't work, it would have to be hard fast rules.


just post the 5 or 10 of the best pics as a teaser to get you to look at them, with a link to their own personal thread that has as many pics as they want?Then instead of one FOTM thread we will have 5 or more. :shrug

They could link to there Supermoters account, but looking through those can be a pain in the but.

I still think the posting should be limited to those who are nominated. All the filler posts of " I gotta give it to this guy" or " why didn't you do this" take away from the purpose of the thread. .I kinda agree, but I have asked a question or two about the trucks before.
"Hey how did you do that" or "Do you have any more pics of this"
Sometimes it can ad to the thread I think.

But yea the "I had to vote for this guy because he had the only (list year here) in the contest" post can be a bit annoying.

It should also be limited to pics of the truck, and what was done to it. No dog pics, no girlfriend pics (we have threads for both)This I agree with 100%
Hot girls, cute dogs, cool tats, non of this should have anything to do with FOTM.

You're not going to take the human factor out of it. There can be the biggest, baddest built rig in the contest and it will lose to a truck that is half as built, or not built at all because it was up against a member who has been here for ever and has a bunch of E-friends. Which is BS in my opinion because it is not Member of the Month, it is Fullsize of the Month.That has happened several times and your right, It shouldn't be that way. But there is nothing that can be done about it.

I think itd be awesome if the winner of each fotm got upgraded to a fullsize member for free for one year

Since a prior post of mine was in the wrong place.

Let it be said here then, there needs to be concrete rules about FOTM.

It is absolutely ridiculous to allow competition to be based upon a popularity factor. When I see a FOTM I guess I got the gist of this contest all wrong. I thought it was supposed to be a bronco that just made you stop and go wow. I wish I owned that truck. Whether it be for the perfect original state it is in, or whether it be for how well it functions wheeling or the modifications the owner did, whatever. It is about the bronco not about the dang owner. There are months that when I vote I don’t post in the thread letting people know who I voted for. It is because I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. I don’t vote based on who is my friend. I vote based on the bronco I wish I owned.

I just sat there and read reply after reply where people voted for an owner who had NO pictures of his dang truck up. um wtf? It is even really clearly reflected in the voting posts that they are voting because of what a nice person said owner is. Uhm that’s nice and all, but where the heck are the pictures of the bronco? They were finally added and yet how many votes even after that said wow I am impressed with your bronco?

caveat: I am very impressed with said owner, do not for a second mistake that belief. I think the site is lucky to have him contributing as he does, no question about it.

BUT... this is not a popularity contest. We should not let it evolve into one. This is about the broncos isn't it? There is a gorgeous bronco pic whoring on top of sand dunes who deserves a heck of a lot more votes than it has gotten. I just don't get this new popularity factor. Though I shouldn't say new as this has happened one other very notable FOTM that I can think of.

Can those of us out here looking at this contest shaking our heads get some direction from FSB. Tell us is it a bronco contest or a popularity contest? That will change how I vote.

Audra

Since a prior post of mine was in the wrong place.

Let it be said here then, there needs to be concrete rules about FOTM.

It is absolutely ridiculous to allow competition to be based upon a popularity factor. When I see a FOTM I guess I got the gist of this contest all wrong. I thought it was supposed to be a bronco that just made you stop and go wow. I wish I owned that truck. Whether it be for the perfect original state it is in, or whether it be for how well it functions wheeling or the modifications the owner did, whatever. It is about the bronco not about the dang owner. There are months that when I vote I don’t post in the thread letting people know who I voted for. It is because I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. I don’t vote based on who is my friend. I vote based on the bronco I wish I owned.

I just sat there and read reply after reply where people voted for an owner who had NO pictures of his dang truck up. um wtf? It is even really clearly reflected in the voting posts that they are voting because of what a nice person said owner is. Uhm that’s nice and all, but where the heck are the pictures of the bronco? They were finally added and yet how many votes even after that said wow I am impressed with your bronco?

caveat: I am very impressed with said owner, do not for a second mistake that belief. I think the site is lucky to have him contributing as he does, no question about it.

BUT... this is not a popularity contest. We should not let it evolve into one. This is about the broncos isn't it? There is a gorgeous bronco pic whoring on top of sand dunes who deserves a heck of a lot more votes than it has gotten. I just don't get this new popularity factor. Though I shouldn't say new as this has happened one other very notable FOTM that I can think of.

Can those of us out here looking at this contest shaking our heads get some direction from FSB. Tell us is it a bronco contest or a popularity contest? That will change how I vote.

Audra
I think Gack said it best a few posts up...

That has happened several times and your right, It shouldn't be that way. But there is nothing that can be done about it.
You just can't make people vote using all identical reasoning. It would be nice, but it's not possible. And, Audra, I do vote like you. I pick the bronco I'd want to have in my driveway.

You vote how you see fit. In the spririt of the contest it is SUPPOSED to be about the truck, how it used, modified, preserved, restored.......

OMG... I can't believe it but once again... I agree with brknstk

Right we do vote how we see fit. But should it be as an open contest like it is becoming, or is this still a bronco contest? I think we need better direction from FSB, a set of rules that says let it be about the truck itself. No matter what you like the truck for.

This is not FullSizeMember of the month. This is FullSizeBronco of the month.

Let it be said here then, there needs to be concrete rules about FOTM.

Can those of us out here looking at this contest shaking our heads get some direction from FSB. Tell us is it a bronco contest or a popularity contest? That will change how I vote.New rules, the future direction of FOTM, and if there will continue to be a FOTM, are all being discused by FSB staff curently.

I sure hope we continue on. The "if" part is just sad. I think this is an incredible opportunity to showcase some owner's vehicles.

I just believe the rules haven't been adhered to causing some hurt feelings here and there. I think I can sit here and talk openly because I have no vested interest, nor any past with the contest.

I have never been nominated, I have never put my truck in the thread to be nominated, I have never declined an email invite or anything to do with the contest. This is just a third party set of eyes going hey this needs some concreteness. If there are set rules and they are enforced strictly, then no one can get hurt feelings. It is just the way it is.

true dat! New blood has stirred up the topic and we are trying our best to hash out the best way to keep everyone involved and happy! :thumbup

I sure hope we continue on. The "if" part is just sad. I think this is an incredible opportunity to showcase some owner's vehicles.I believe it will continue. There are many things being discussed about FOTM currently.

I just believe the rules haven't been adhered to causing some hurt feelings here and there.The current rules are rather vague.
(scroll down to "Contest rules")
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1884

Additional rules are being discussed, but no firm decision has been reached yet.

I think we need better direction from FSB, a set of rules that says let it be about the truck itself. No matter what you like the truck for.



This would help keep the grey area down to a minimum. I personally vote with more than just how a bronco is shown on the thread and as of right now, that is OK. It seems to ruffle a lot of feathers that a mass majority of people vote this way. I understand that some people view it as a picture does the talking while others take in all the info known about the truck and it's owner. I just find it disturbing that a person who does so much for the forum, wouldn't be able to win in the FOTM because his truck isn't as photogenic. FOTM shouldn't be about who gets the most pictures or who willing to put themselves in danger in order to get "the picture". I'm not saying anyone is or has but if it's all about who has the best pictures, that's not going to be fair to those who (a) don't wheel their rig, (b) don't have a nice camera and (c) may not be computer savvy.

I guess FOTM could be BPFOTM or best photographed fullsize of the month.

I'm not trying to be a jerk but lets face it, most would vote the bronco that are nice and have nice owners. If youv'e had an online argument with someone, I doubt you'd vote for them no matter how nice their bronco is.

(like right now if I was running, I don't think I'd get some peoples votes because of my views on the voting)

I thought this was kind of funny / related to the topic.

http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24454

I just find it disturbing that a person who does so much for the forum, wouldn't be able to win in the FOTM because his truck isn't as photogenic. FOTM shouldn't be about who gets the most pictures or who willing to put themselves in danger in order to get "the picture". I'm not saying anyone is or has but if it's all about who has the best pictures, that's not going to be fair to those who (a) don't wheel their rig, (b) don't have a nice camera and (c) may not be computer savvy.

You said it right there "I just find it disturbing that a person who does so much for the forum, wouldn't be able to win in the FOTM because his truck isn't as photogenic"

It is not about the person. It is about the truck.

Yes we expect to see pictures.

Pictures of the actual vehicle being voted for.

we want the story and history of that vehicle.

Pictures of friends vehicles (happens every contest), dialogues about what you've done for other's rigs, etc don't have to do with the bronco running for best truck.


It is NOT about wheeling. That awesome green 78/79 "pretty" bronco that ran the one month got my vote. Just because I was sickenly jealous of that beautiful rig.

It is about the bronco.

It should remain about the bronco.

I just find it disturbing that a person who does so much for the forum, wouldn't be able to win in the FOTM because his truck isn't as photogenic.What a person does for the site shouldn't make a huge impact on there standings in FOTM.

Fore example.

Mike2 cant ever win FOTM and his truck is photogenic. He has donated time and money to the site and has even sponsored FullSize Memberships for people. But he can never run for FOTM.

if it's all about who has the best pictures, that's not going to be fair to those who (a) don't wheel their rig, (b) don't have a nice camera and (c) may not be computer savvy.It's about who has the Bronco that you like the best. Thats who you should be voting for. Sure the persons online persona does have some impact, but it should not be the primary reason you vote for a particulat contestants ride.

I thought this was kind of funny / related to the topic.

http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24454Posted 08-24-2004, 11:33 PM
The board has changed some since then.

It's about who has the Bronco that you like the best. Thats who you should be voting for. Sure the persons online persona does have some impact, but it should not be the primary reason you vote for a particulat contestants ride.
Fixed it for you.:thumbup

Fixed it for you.:thumbupI liked it so much I went back and bolded Bronco in my post :thumbup
(But I left it the same size :toothless)

I guess the 60 something votes are wrong in how the FOTM should go. A huge turn out and support and it's shunned away because the guy didn't post pics of his bronco on the thread. Meanwhile, Iv'e seen more of his bronco than my own.

It's because of THOSE pics that I got into the FSB forum and have non-stopped modded my formally stock truck into a trail rig. His isn't a trail rig but he showed that you can do what you want using his own bronco as an example. His is the most freeway / city driver friendly bronco Iv'e ever seen and he's shown us DD what to do if we want actual results without spending to much. That's why people have non-stop voted for "his truck".

...I can't seperate the [Bronco and owner] since I feel that the person makes the vehicle....

I agree with this completely. Most of the trucks on this site would be rusting heaps or coke cans if not for the love and labor of the owners. I don't think that the vote should be made solely based on the owner or the vehicle, but as mixture of both. The truck would be absolutely nothing without the owner.

I also think that most of ya'll are looking at this a little too seriously. There is no need for anyone to get pissed off and burn bridges over FOTM. :beer

His isn't a trail rig but he showed that you can do what you want using his own bronco as an example. His is the most freeway / city driver friendly bronco I've ever seen and he's shown us DD what to do if we want actual results without spending too much.

I think this is an important point. Six doesn't need to show a lot of pictures of the truck itself, because it looks like a pretty clean `80s Bronco. It's the pictures of mods and descriptions thereof that matter, in his case, because his truck happens to be a 20 MPG Bronco with a lot of longevity/convenience mods and some restoration work. It's a very uncommon truck, just in a different direction than the usual "big lift big tires" nominee. His "cheap Scot" attitude is all part of the package. I think he'd be a worthy FOTM winner, because a write-up in Bronco Driver that isn't about "how I lifted it" or "what I've driven it through" but is more about "how I made it last" and "check out this mileage" would be refreshing.

A huge turn out and support and it's shunned away because the guy didn't post pics of his bronco on the thread. .

Absolutely :doh0715:

It is about the truck not him.

He has made 5 posts in the entire thread. Only 1. Thats right, 1 post was about his bronco. It has pictures of his bronco. VERY cool pic of his bronco going on a barge.

The other posts were replying to other people or thanking them but nothing about his bronco and two of the posts were completely unrelated stuff about someone's lincoln town car.

At some point it is my opinion that mods should step in and delete threads that do not pertain to the current contest.

You are very slanted in your opinion because you have a vested interest in the current contest. You nominated him

I also think that most of ya'll are looking at this a little too seriously. There is no need for anyone to get pissed off and burn bridges over FOTM. :beer

:scratchhe I started this as a post for future rules for future contests. I don't think I am burining any bridges as I don't know any of those guys. This is the thread where I should be able to post what I'm thinking about this contest to the admins for consideration. Definately not pissed off, I have no interest in this so it doesn't upset me. :shrug

Six doesn't need to show a lot of pictures of the truck itself, because it looks like a pretty clean `80s Bronco. It's the pictures of mods and descriptions thereof that matter, in his case, because his truck happens to be a 20 MPG Bronco with a lot of longevity/convenience mods and some restoration work. It's a very uncommon truck, just in a different direction than the usual "big lift big tires" nominee. His "cheap Scot" attitude is all part of the package.

Asolutely. I agree. But guess what? There are no pictures of his bronco in there except for one post. He never stops in there and tells everyone what any of his mods are. He really isn't running for FOTM, people are just voting because they know him.


Actually step back, this contest is already underway so I think everyone is focusing too much on it.

I am in here hoping to change future contests, I am glad they are looking at that Gack :beer

There's going to be people on both sides of the fence. It's up to FSB to decide what to do. Make one side happy and let the other side be or do nothing and let the votes speak for themselves. Doing that would leave both sides empty unless the FSB members said something to acknowledge the fact that there was an issue and this as an outcome and not that they are ignoring it. I'm just pleading a case as is the other opinion. I'm not trying to say someone is voting incorrectly, just saying that voting for any reason tied to a nominee would be OK.

A strict guideline for what you should be voting for isn't a bad thing. It's just not what's in place now and therefor, people voting for someone based on more than just truck appearence isn't wrong.

Audra there are no rules that state a nominee has to post a pic in the thread.

I wonder if you would be so vocal if two of the contestants weren't your friends and/or one of them was currently winning.

I understand your point but it's starting to look more like sour grapes rather than FOTM suggestions.

You are very slanted in your opinion because you have a vested interest in the current contest. You nominated him

That's simply not true. You don't know me and your telling ME why I'M doing this. Doesn't that sound redundant?

Simply put, I nominated Six because of him and his truck which happens to be one of the trucks I look at the most for ideas and help. He has gone way out of his way to help others with problems that are extremely common place on a bronco. He's also shown that anyone can try and do just about anything and that there's nothing to really to fear.

I didn't nominate him thinking His truck was a show stopper. Also, I gain nothing by his winning. In fact, By nominating him, youv'e singled me out as a problem with the FOTM. I don't like debating over the internet. The only reason I'm vested in this debate is because I have an opinion that I felt strong enough about to share and back-up. Iv'e been called "new blood" in a refference that puts me down since I havn't been here as long as others. Iv'e been told that the only reason I'm saying anything is because I nominated him which isn't the case at all. I even personally feel bad for running against the grain and causing the few debating against me frustration in my post.

It's a simple fact that the rules arn't clear and you wish they were to keep the FOTM the way that you saw it. I think it's fine the way it is and would like it to stay that way so a more diverse crowd could be involved.

It's not a personal issue with anyone besides myself and my opinion.

Audra there are no rules that state a nominee has to post a pic in the thread.

I wonder if you would be so vocal if two of the contestants weren't your friends and/or one of them was currently winning.

I understand your point but it's starting to look more like sour grapes rather than FOTM suggestions.

:doh0715:

you've got to be kidding me. It could have been 5 joe blows running and if one of them was winning without his truck really being shown I would have posted the same thing.

I don't think meeting someone (who lives what 500 miles away) twice makes them enough of a friend to stick my neck out and argue something like this just because they're my friend. (if he had a shitty truck then the white bronco poser'd on the sand dunes I think may have been my next choice, but he doesn't. I am in awe of the primer'd truck)

I really believe everything I posted. I'd feel just as strongly about it if Traveler were the one running and winning without anyone knowing anything about the truck winning.

The only vehicle I will ever be biased towards is a fourdoorbronco. Sorry I don't care whose it is or how crappy it looks I would vote for it. Because that is the one vehicle I would want more than any of the others.

Asolutely. I agree. But guess what? There are no pictures of his bronco in there except for one post. He never stops in there and tells everyone what any of his mods are. He really isn't running for FOTM, people are just voting because they know him.

Well, yes, they know him, and what he's done with his truck. It's all over the site.

I voted for him for the work he's done on his Bronco, actually. I already know what it looks like, I went through his SuperMotors account.

I voted for Tommy R based on what his OTHER threads about his truck showed me. (Particularly his rear bumper build.)

I voted for redwagon based on the shots of his truck pulling 90beater down off that mountain, in that OTHER thread.

I voted for Gacknar because he has a great-looking mall-crawler, which I'd already seen a lot of in his OTHER threads.

I actually almost never look at the pictures in the actual FOTM thread, at least not to decide who to vote for. I don't vote for anyone I don't already know from other threads on the site.

And I do understand what you mean about how this discussion is about "future rules", but are you suggesting that we should only consider the pictures in the FOTM thread? I don't think you are, but if you aren't, then I don't understand what's wrong with voting for someone based on what you've seen of their truck from their OTHER threads?

Not trying to get your goat or anything, Audra, I'm just trying to introduce another possible viewpoint to the discussion.

I just chose the wrong time to bring this up, too many people are getting defensive over their current poll choice. I could give a shit less about the current contest. This happened before in another FOTM contest. I should have said something then. I think my very first post on the last page explained it best. I just do not want to ever see the contest become a popularity contest. I do think it is heading that way. The admins are looking at it, cool, that is all I had to input. Anything else was a waste of my time.

Sorry to have gotten you all frustrated along with the others who share my point of view. You admit that a 4 door bronco gets the vote no matter what and that shows that you understand some aspect of where i'm coming from. I admit that a strict guideline would help keep the bronco's who win more about the bronco than who's the owner and what theyv'e personally done to make the rig what it is today. I understand, I just don't like that way of voting.

As crappy as the debating is, it does aid in the FSB crew in deciding the final outcome. They will most likely read what has been written and that might sway what they had originally thought going into the decision making. I hope you havn't taken anything personally especially because I think you kind of belong in the same catagory as Six with the How-to you did with the tranny rebuild and the many other helpful post Iv'e seen you write.

It's been said before and I'll say it again. Fighting over the internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win......

I want this to be 100% clear.

I have no problem with Six winning FOTM, for his Bronco!!

My problem, and I belive everyone elses is that verry few of the "I voted for six becouse" posts have been about his Bronco.

They have all been "I voted foe Six becouse he showed me how to do cheap mods to my Bronco" or "His tune up wright up was verry helpfull" or "He is a real asset to the site"

These things are all verry true, six is an asset to this site. He is an excelent contributor, and an all around cool guy. I love teh Sixliter
(or Uncle Malcome as some of us call him)

But, that doesn't mean he is entitled to win FOTM, but his Bronco may indeede be.

This has been festering with me for a wile, and it is a damn shame that it has involved a member of this board that I have the utmost respect for.

But it was enevetable that it would be brought up eventualy.

Sorry to have gotten you all frustrated along with the others who share my point of view. You admit that a 4 door bronco gets the vote no matter what and that shows that you understand some aspect of where i'm coming from. I admit that a strict guideline would help keep the bronco's who win more about the bronco than who's the owner and what theyv'e personally done to make the rig what it is today. I understand, I just don't like that way of voting.

As crappy as the debating is, it does aid in the FSB crew in deciding the final outcome. They will most likely read what has been written and that might sway what they had originally thought going into the decision making. I hope you havn't taken anything personally especially because I think you kind of belong in the same catagory as Six with the How-to you did with the tranny rebuild and the many other helpful post Iv'e seen you write.

It's been said before and I'll say it again. Fighting over the internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win......

No, I have not taken any of it personally from you at all. There has only been one remark that someone decided to take some sort of stupid personal stab at me and it didn't come from you.

I really hope they just look at all of it and think about it. I'm glad six starting putting up more pics because you know up until he posted that mod the most I knew about him is that he is grumpy and posts search noob at least once a day.

I think that the FOTM needs to show cleavage, bewbies, and lots of skin.....any body can crank a truck, but so few of us can look good in skivies

If asked, those people would not have voted for six (already) if they didn't already know about him and his bronco. Both have shown a tramendous amount of people the light when it comes to their own broncos. His bronco is the ideal working mans, Daily driven, keeping it for life all around great bronco.

If you really want to nip this in the bud, Don't allow voting until all the participants have entered a decent amount (or a certian amount of time has passed) and also limit it to say 50 pics each so there's not mass whoring going on. Ideally, you'd want to have all the pics of everyone available from the start so there's no early votes casted and also to prevent people from running out and doing a trip just for "poser" shots. I guess that's not too bad considering this is more of a campaign than anything but still, it would make it less flimsy from month to month.

My $.02

PS. It's a huge shame that someone whom almost every likes and has turned down the FOTM nomination a couple times finally says yes and it brings this out. I know the price is high but the long overdue discusion and outcome will make it better for future races. Sorry Six

most I knew about him is that he is grumpy and posts search noob at least once a day.

:lolup That use to be even more true than it is now. I think he got bored of the newbie flaming.


IF you havn't yet, spend the next day or two going through his supermotors and next couple of years catching up on your To-Do list. Talk about a non-stock bronco.

The best part is that most of his mods Could be or should be stock. It keeps the ride clean and even more functional.

I think that the FOTM needs to show cleavage, bewbies, and lots of skin.....any body can crank a truck, but so few of us can look good in skivies

good God no :doh0715:

I have no desire to see man boobies, ass crack, rolling folds of tummy or bronco guys in skivvies. It ain't normally pretty :shocked

...to prevent people from running out and doing a trip just for "poser" shots.
I loved the last few times I ran for FOTM because it got me off my ass and wheeling. Then I put some of those pics in the thread. I think it's a great motivator to use, then showcase your bronco. I think HemiThis is a prime example of that. Many of his pics have been taken since his entrance into FOTM, and it looks like he's having one helluva fun time going out and getting those shots.

good point. It also shows that he really wants it which is nice. I'm just trumping up ideas. Some might work some, not so much.

I'm glad six starting putting up more pics because you know up until he posted that mod the most I knew about him is that he is grumpy and posts search noob at least once a day.Uhh......

Audra, do you have Sixlitre confused with Steve83?
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/member.php?u=1748
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/member.php?u=631

I have never seen Six be grumpy or tell a noob to search. :shrug

Now Steve on the otherhand is verry grumpy and constantly berates noobs for not searching. ;)

I just chose the wrong time to bring this up, too many people are getting defensive over their current poll choice. I could give a shit less about the current contest. This happened before in another FOTM contest. I should have said something then. I think my very first post on the last page explained it best. I just do not want to ever see the contest become a popularity contest. I do think it is heading that way. The admins are looking at it, cool, that is all I had to input. Anything else was a waste of my time.

Who can forget all the bitching that went on then. And the winner won by 1
whole vote.


My $.02 on this subject...you can't please everyone.

New additions to FOTM rules
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102251

FOTM rule thread.
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1884

Uhh......

Audra, do you have Sixlitre confused with Steve83?


I doubt she is confused.
I think that an excellent scenario.

How would anyone know who is running if they don't have pics of their truck up.

Glad you were paying attention.

It helps if youv'e ever been on the site. He's pretty hard to miss so the fact that he didn't have to post pics up to get his first 60 votes is a testament to how well known him and his bronco are.

Also, you seem to be confused with what he was replying to. No biggie, they were talking about Six telling newbs to search, not the picture posting.

New additions to FOTM rules
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102251

FOTM rule thread.
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1884

i think that clarifying what the FOTM was a good idea but I don't feel that it would have changed the minds of those who voted for Six. I believe the outcome won't change but I do believe it will stop the debate between popularity and actual bronco as what should be the deciding factor. I'm iimpressed with how well the FSB crew handled issue with allowing the conversation to continue and also how fast you reacted to the issue itself.

:beer

It helps if youv'e ever been on the site.

I have been on the site, I don't have a clue who he is, and I certainly wouldn't learning anything from FTOM thread.
Neebies are allowed to vote.


Also, you seem to be confused with what he was replying to. No biggie, they were talking about Six telling newbs to search, not the picture posting.

Not confused at all, That is the whole point. Getting people confused because they don't show themselves and we have to search for them to find info about their truck.

I believe that there are pics of his truck, put up by him, on the FOTM thread. He was busy the first week so they didn't go up right away.

I wonder if you would be so vocal if two of the contestants weren't your friends and/or one of them was currently winning.

:shrug

We wouldn't be talking about this topic IF it was one of her friends.

That is good you want to change up FUTURE FOTM rules. I do too. But lets just let this month go as is.

Rules have been changed. It doesn't do a whole lot to change this month but will help future FOTM be more define and keep the winner based more soley on the bronco and not the owner.


Audra was right for speaking about her opinion on the subject and even I feel it's for the btter of the continuence of the FOTM.

We wouldn't be talking about this topic IF it was one of her friends.Yes we would.
We moderators/Administrators started debating updating the FOTM rules several days before Audra posted anything about it.That is good you want to change up FUTURE FOTM rules. I do too. But lets just let this month go as is.Rules have been changed. It doesn't do a whole lot to change this month but will help future FOTM be more define and keep the winner based more soley on the bronco and not the owner.As stated above.
New additions to FOTM rules
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102251

FOTM rule thread.
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1884

Uhh......

Audra, do you have Sixlitre confused with Steve83?
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I have never seen Six be grumpy or tell a noob to search. :shrug

I'll add in my defense of Sixlitre; I've always felt that he was helpful, and quite often points people toward specific threads that relate to the question asked.

:shrug

We wouldn't be talking about this topic IF it was one of her friends.

That is good you want to change up FUTURE FOTM rules. I do too. But lets just let this month go as is.

I'll add in my defense of Sixlitre; I've always felt that he was helpful, and quite often points people toward specific threads that relate to the question asked.

You guys are totally missing the point. This is a suggestion thread, just like the comment cards left at the restaurant. Nobody is attacking anyone, nobody is trying to get anyone thrown out of FOTM.

This is not about anyones friends, or who is winning or anything. Nobody needs defending. Sixliter just happens to be a good example of what she would like to be changed. It has happened before.

It is a suggestion box.

No different than me saying I don't think Gack should be allowed to run. (just an example, nothing against Gack)
I have every right to feel that way, and I expressed it here where it belongs.
Now that I have offered up my suggestion, are you all going to attack me?

It is just suggestion, Mellow out.

If y'all want to discuss whether or not sixliter deserves it, that belongs someplace else in the forum.

Yes it is a suggestion forum, but Audra is using Six as an example. As to the question of whether or not he deserves to win, the votes are reflecting that people think he is indeed deserving.

We can make all the suggestions in the world, but human nature will prevail and people will vote for WHO they FEEL is worthy. IF we didn't knows who's rigs they were and it was a blind vote where people were showed nothing but pictures of trucks and their specs we might be able to get a vote based just on the rig's merits. Since people make up the membership and it is those same people who vote, we are all making a mountain out of a mole hill and wasting our energy.

My biggest beef with FOTM is all the chit chat remarks that drags the thread out to 12 pages, half of which is off topic and contibutes nothing to the FOTM contest itself.

I will in fact offer up a suggestion.

I think people that vote in the FOTM poll should provide proof that they subscribe to Bronco Driver Magazine.

That way the readers get to choose what they want to see and what is magazine worthy.

I will in fact offer up a suggestion.

I think people that vote in the FOTM poll should provide proof that they subscribe to Bronco Driver Magazine.

That way the readers get to choose what they want to see and what is magazine worthy.

That's good in theory, but we struggle to get people to vote now. Besides, first and foremost it is FSB's contest not BD. The BD article is perk to the winner not the voting members.

I think people that vote in the FOTM poll should provide proof that they subscribe to Bronco Driver Magazine.

That way the readers get to choose what they want to see and what is magazine worthy.I would disagree with that.

That's good in theory, but we struggle to get people to vote now. Besides, first and foremost it is FSB's contest not BD:stupid

We are all very appreciative of Bronco Driver allowing us to have our FOTM winners in there magazine. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.
:thumbup

But allowing only folks with B.D. subscriptions to vote is a bit to much.

You guys are totally missing the point. This is a suggestion thread, just like the comment cards left at the restaurant. Nobody is attacking anyone, nobody is trying to get anyone thrown out of FOTM.

This is not about anyones friends, or who is winning or anything. Nobody needs defending. Sixliter just happens to be a good example of what she would like to be changed. It has happened before.

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If y'all want to discuss whether or not sixliter deserves it, that belongs someplace else in the forum.

I'm not arguing about whether Sixlitre deserves it or not. You're right; that belongs somewhere else. I was just reiterating Gak's comment about not having seen Six as grumpy or telling a noob to search.

Reputations are important, and I didn't think Sixlitre deserved the dig at his. It needed to countered; that's all. :beer

Yes it is a suggestion forum, but Audra is using Six as an example. As to the question of whether or not he deserves to win, the votes are reflecting that people think he is indeed deserving.

We can make all the suggestions in the world, but human nature will prevail and people will vote for WHO they FEEL is worthy. IF we didn't knows who's rigs they were and it was a blind vote where people were showed nothing but pictures of trucks and their specs we might be able to get a vote based just on the rig's merits. Since people make up the membership and it is those same people who vote, we are all making a mountain out of a mole hill and wasting our energy.

My biggest beef with FOTM is all the chit chat remarks that drags the thread out to 12 pages, half of which is off topic and contibutes nothing to the FOTM contest itself.

This is a suggestion forum, the mods took my comments into consideration, everyone please drop my name from this and fight amongst yourselves.
:twak

I think that only allowing the FOTM nominees to post in the voting thread would REAllY help keep things voting related and keep other stuff in this thread where it doesn't clog up the pics of the trucks in the running.

It would keep it to letting the nominees decide what they want to show and what they want to add comment wise without added banter. Sometimes the Banter is helpful or funny but I think the pros would outweigh the cons.

fight amongst yourselves.
:twak

It's better to keep things less personal and more about the issue and the points than say things about the person making the comments. You (Audra) were simply the voice of the opinion which supported rigs over members in the voting. I never saw you take it to a personal level and fended off those who tried to do so. I think your additions to the conversations leading up to the rule changes helped the FOTM and even though my "opinion" wasn't the victor, I still feel glad I got to voice it in a decent manner.

Thanks for the "friendly" debate.
:beer

That's good in theory, but we struggle to get people to vote now.

I would disagree with that.



I never said I thought it would work :toothless
but that is my suggestion and it is in the correct forum. :goodfinge

I'm not arguing about whether Sixlitre deserves it or not. You're right; that belongs somewhere else.

Exactly, if the mods would had moved or removed everything that was not a suggestion from the suggestion thread then nobody would feel the need to defend anyone and it would not have gotten this far.

I have a suggestion. Don't try to sway the vote by posting a picture with a female posing by the bronco. Remember, it's all about the bronco.

Good point. Silly that it would go that far but it's a good point none the less.

Uhh......

Audra, do you have Sixlitre confused with Steve83?
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/member.php?u=1748
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/member.php?u=631

I have never seen Six be grumpy or tell a noob to search. :shrug

Now Steve on the otherhand is verry grumpy and constantly berates noobs for not searching. ;)


Jeremy you're right I did get them confused! :doh0715: :whiteflag

Exactly, if the mods would had moved or removed everything that was not a suggestion from the suggestion thread then nobody would feel the need to defend anyone and it would not have gotten this far.Historicly we allow responces to sugestions and we Mods/Admins also respond to sugestions here.

I would like to keep it that way.

I have a suggestion. Don't try to sway the vote by posting a picture with a female posing by the bronco. Remember, it's all about the bronco.I think it is incredibly tacky and pathetic to do that in the FOTM thread.

This is why I did not post any pictures containing my wife anywhere on this (or any other) board when I ran for FOTM. I even cut her out of one picture just so I cut post it without her in it.

That said
I am personally not ready to make a rule disallowing it at this point.
(Other mods may disagree and I could be overruled)

Besides, what kind of looser is going to vote for a Contestants rig because he knows an attractive female
:twak :twak


However I don't mind seeing it in other areas of the board.
(as long as that person is not running for FOTM)
I have done it myself and probably will again. :toothless

Besides, what kind of looser is going to vote for a Contestants rig because she is an attractive female
:twak :twak


Fixed it for you Jeremey :toothless

Jeremy you're right I did get them confused! :doh0715: :whiteflagThats what I figured, no big deal. :beer

Fixed it for you Jeremey :toothlessTouché :toothless

well I think everything has been said, so I have nothing to add other than we might be poking a dead horse now.

You know what guys....this chit is gone far from reality.....In my humble opinion, this is a BRONCO site (kind of makes the name more apropos, don't you think?

We can build trucks from mild to wild, building them aint a problem, Uncle Visa can solve that problem. Building them with a reason or purpose, on the other hand, takes knowledge and common sense. It is from that Wisdom we learn ...
Now let me say this....You guys sound like a bunch of kids at recess...Gack and Ac seem to have a handle on this problem. Some of you are mad caus Six was nominated and his truck ain't on Tuff Truck Challenge everyday...Others are mad cause this guy has a trailer queen, this guy has a resto, this guy has a truggy on unimogs.....WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM?

We all, and every one of us, are quick to jump on the Six litre tune up, and ask him how to do a y pipe or to maybe get extra mileage. Some of us ask AC how he gets them lights wired without burning up a fuseblock, some of ask other guys how you got that dam SAS or why do you like to drive over that particular rock.....

The operative words are " we ask" and the operative answer is "we are told".

That said, this FOTM contest, if it were purely popularity, that would not hold water, because how many of us actually KNOW others in the club outside of our immediate area? How many of us actually post bewbies and sammich shots.....because some guy posts a bunch of pictures, I suspect that means he wheels his truck, otherwise where would the pictures come from?

If you don't like a truck/nominee, Jeez just don't vote for him or her. If you do, then do it. Just like the channel changer on TV and those telemarketing shows!

Let AC and the guys make the rules, we just live with them. They won't (with a few exceptions which I wont go into here) take any action, or at least they haven't so far, that is not in the best interest of the club or the contest. If they do, then we can readily admit that we know how to bitch and whine to Joe, and maybe something will be done about it.

I can truthfully say that there are some things about some of you that just pi$$ me off royally. I would be a damn fool to think that I haven't rubbed some of you the wrong way.

Either way, its just a promotion. If you don't win one month, are you gonna go postal? No you aint. If you win, are you going to start planning a coronation? No you aint.

Do you actually THINK (and I know that word losing meaning in this thread) that politicians are elected on a basis totally devoid of personality? Would you want an asshat for a winner?


Bottom line, like Fogerty told the Vets in DC "LET IT GO".

If the Mods/Admins dont do to your liking, show them a thing or two, fill up the PM boxes. with gay porn and stuff....

Now that I have vented, I will return you to your regularly scheduled whining"

If the Mods/Admins dont do to your liking, show them a thing or two, fill up the PM boxes. with gay porn and stuff....

I don't think you'd be getting any FSB moderator X-mas cards if all the sudden there PM boxes were full of gay porn. :histerica



P.S. I did read the rest of your speech and it's well put.:thumbup

all i have to say about this big ordeal is the way i percieve fotm is certain people are picked to explain everything they can about their rigs so everyone whos voting can take in the information and make a judgment call about which bronco they like the best. if someone doesnt put any information about their bronco in the fotm running then how are people supposed to make an opinion about that bronco. its unfair to someone who is taking the time to to tell everyone everything they can about their truck. and be outdone by a truck that was almost nonexsistant in the fotm running.. not in the whole website.

Uhh......

Audra, do you have Sixlitre confused with Steve83?
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/member.php?u=1748
http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/member.php?u=631

I have never seen Six be grumpy or tell a noob to search.

Now Steve on the otherhand is verry grumpy and constantly berates noobs for not searching.



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHA:rofl::rofl::rofl::histerica:h isterica:histerica

Very well said ghostrider

We should make the polls invisible until the very end, that way people cant get discouraged from seeing how much they are losing by. Seems like it would help prevent the problem of people giving up and not posting pictures.

We should make the polls invisible until the very end, that way people cant get discouraged from seeing how much they are losing by. Seems like it would help prevent the problem of people giving up and not posting pictures.

X2. I think that's a great idea.

ya that is a good idea, people tend to vote for who has the most votes and who is more likely to win, it allows more "fair game" cmon mods work your magic

agreed with all the above...it was depressing

ya that is a good idea, people tend to vote for who has the most votes and who is more likely to win, it allows more "fair game" cmon mods work your magic

:stupid

:stupid

Whats this for?

agreed with all the above...it was depressing

I voted for ya Jslax! :thumbup You got one clean truck there!

Whats this for?


I thought you have been here long enough to get it. They dont really mean you're stupid, its just to show they agree with you. Its another way of putting "x2"

Also, put me as another vote for invisible polls, that would make it VERY exciting since no one would know where anyone is in the running. It would also encourage more voting, since there would be no "lost cause" scenarios.

We should make the polls invisible until the very end, that way people cant get discouraged from seeing how much they are losing by. Seems like it would help prevent the problem of people giving up and not posting pictures.

ya that is a good idea, people tend to vote for who has the most votes and who is more likely to win, it allows more "fair game" cmon mods work your magic

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Also, put me as another vote for invisible polls, that would make it VERY exciting since no one would know where anyone is in the running. It would also encourage more voting, since there would be no "lost cause" scenarios.

Y'all make some good points. :popc1:

I thought you have been here long enough to get it. They dont really mean you're stupid, its just to show they agree with you. Its another way of putting "x2"


gotcha ;) kinda lost me on that one:thumbup:beer

I voted for ya Jslax! :thumbup You got one clean truck there!

hey thanks man i appreciate it.

Very good Idea Its getting kinda old that halfway through there are no more pictures

How about no voting allowed for a few days or a week, or whatever would sound the best.

This would allow someone, such as Stan is doing this month, to show a chronological transformation of their truck without losing votes from people who are too giddy and feel they need to vote early. By a weeks time(or however long) we would have a fair amount of pictures and we would see what everyones rigs truly are all about, allowing for a more true vote.

It would also help encourage the whole "its the bronco, not the bronco owner" thing. I mean, there's tons of votes before any pictures have even been posted, I think everyone should display their truck first before a vote goes out.

I dont know, just a suggestion...

How about no voting allowed for a few days or a week, or whatever would sound the best.

This would allow someone, such as Stan is doing this month, to show a chronological transformation of their truck without losing votes from people who are too giddy and feel they need to vote early. By a weeks time(or however long) we would have a fair amount of pictures and we would see what everyones rigs truly are all about, allowing for a more true vote.

It would also help encourage the whole "its the bronco, not the bronco owner" thing. I mean, there's tons of votes before any pictures have even been posted, I think everyone should display their truck first before a vote goes out.

I dont know, just a suggestion...


Agreed:beer

I 3rd it

what? do you guys think this a democracy?....



:goodfinge

actually what would be nice is that no votes for the first ten days allowing the contenders to whore it up, then open the polls.

what? do you guys think this a democracy?....



:goodfinge

actually what would be nice is that no votes for the first ten days allowing the contenders to whore it up, then open the polls.

YES!!!!:beer


like today people already voted when nobody has whored. not so fair. i always wait till i get a good look at ever truck before i place my vote:thumbup