like alot of you, i am on an austerity budget these days, and i was looking for a set of 35" rubber to use as dd/weekend warrior duty. while i would like to run irok radials, or some other fancy interco tire, i didn't have the moula to do so. plus this was going on a dd, so that kind of ruled out bias tires for the immediate future. i was replacing goodyear mt/r's, which were good, but had their limitations in the mud.

so i came across these maxxis bighorns, read a little about them and decided to try them out. many have heard of the buckshot mudder and the creepy crawler by maxxis, but not many have heard of the bighorn. so it was kind of tough finding people who had actually run these tires to get feedback. based on maxxis' reputation with these other tires, combined with their price, i decided, however, to test out a set.

i got 5 35 x 12.50x15 shipped to my door for
................................................. $150 each
that's pretty cheap for a tire in this size. got them at www.selecttire.com, and they'll ship to the lower 48 for that price. no issues at all with their service either, btw, shipped right out, had them in less than a week.

threw them on steelies and hoped for the best.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/jackhart/jeep/bighorns/bighorn11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/jackhart/jeep/bighorns/bighorn17.jpg

the bighorns are siped, so they do well in the rain. i've got about 1500 miles on them so far and they are far quieter than the mtr's, even though these are 35's and the mtr's were 31's. i am absolutely pleased so far with their on-road creds.

offroad i have only been wheeling once so far with them, at rausch creek in pa, running medium to high blues, where they traversed mud, rock, sand, water, and slippery debris with no issues at all. basically if i could get a wheel on it, i could climb it. more importantly, they didn't clog up in the mud, unlike the mtr's. so i'm really impressed with this tire, especially at this price.

sidewall is 6 ply, and yes, i'm running them on a heep, so i can't say for sure how they'll run on a bko. i didn't want to keep this info to myself, however, because i think alot of people on this board will find these to be high on their consideration list for their next set of meats.

:rockon :thumbup

well heck, I like em. When i go up to 35" I'll keep those in mind. I have 6 ply 33" Cooper Wildcat EXT's right now. They were more spendy then that per tire. I can get those mounted and balaced for free, so it would be a pretty good deal, unless I can find em local.

Thanx! :thumbup

im glad i just looked at that site, only 114 for 33's. looks like ill be upgrading soon

Huh, can't believe I missed this thread. I don't have many miles on mine (not even 1k) but with the little that I have driven them, I'm quite pleased. They're not all that loud and vibration is kept to 10mph and under when I'm slowing to a stop and they balanced out beautifully. For me they did great off road on rocks/dusty rock at Uwharrie and exhibited great sidewall flex at 15psi. They handle great in wet weather conditions, cut through some standing water (maybe an inch?) like it wasn't there; they fact they're mounted on 7.5" wide rims may have something to do with that. I'm pleased with them. Haven't had them in the mud yet so I can't give anything on that.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/308142/fullsize/dscf0104.jpg

haha same, mine came in last week, and the trucks gettin aligned @ the moment @ 4 wheel aprts, but i did actually drive like 20 min to 4wheelparts w/ em and they felt great!! + NO sound @ alll!! i'll keep ya updated on the offroad capabilities on my BKO

more importantly, they didn't clog up in the mud, unlike the mtr's.


Always hated this about the MTR's they're the worst in the mud

I might have to check out the Bighorns for the Expedition, thanks for the heads up

I just recently purchased these same tire from ebay $537.00 + free shipping. I installed them on my 89 FSB and love the tire. They are really quiet on the road and great off the road much better than BFG M/T that i had in the past

glad you like them.

i've now got almost 7,000 miles on mine and nothing but great things to say about this tire. they have worn very little that i can see, they still drive great on road - quiet, as everyone has mentioned, grip great in the wet, and directional stability is just right on. i'm still waiting to drive them in snow however, this winter has been a little weird weather wise.

offroad they continue to impress me. i have been offroad with them 3 times now. rock, mud, sand, whatever you throw at them, they just plain work. i air them down to 15 also and they flex nice.

btw - a little misinformation from my original post, and i apologize. these are 3 ply sidewalls, not six. also, i was told by kht that these are not actually made by maxxis, but by another company for maxxis. i have not confirmed this myself, but that is what i was told. this is a taiwan made tire, i'm pretty sure, so it's entirely possible the same factory is making these tires for different brands. not a knock on maxxis, everyone does it, just wanted to disclose what i had heard.

bottom line - for the dollar, i think this is the best mud tire you can buy.

Mine stated on the sticker that they were 6 ply sidewall

what size tire?

33x12.50 on 15 inch rim

I looked but cant seem to find one of those stickers

look on the side of your actual tire. i bet it says the sidewall is 3 ply.

no it says 33x12.5 /15Lt 6pr

Here is a pic of the sticker on the tire

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/7/1/19/t_stickeri_2551m_a78fae2.png (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?srv=img02&img=/7/1/19/f_stickeri_2551m_a78fae2.png)

awsome thread, looks like i gotta save up for an upgrade on my 31s, lol

Im lovin mine!

I dont know about these tires but i can say that the buckshots by maxxis are great as well. About the same price as well and i know they are 6 ply.



Also just to let everyone know that you can get 35x12.50x15 Mud Kings from Summitt for 132 a piece. But they suck in the rain but awesome in the mud.

The ply rating only relates to the load rating of the tire. The sidewall may only be two ply and the main body 4 ply. In todays world most manufacturers use these numbers only for "advertising" reasons. People think more is better. If you had a 6 ply sidewall it would never flex. It's just a number game

http://www.nationaltire.com/elements/loadrange.gif

http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Tires/images/tire-elements.gif

Notice in the pic above that all the "plies" are in the tread area of the tire. The sidewall only has minimal construction. Ply ratings are different for radials and bias ply tires.
Radial
http://www.michelingc.com/NA_Eng/images/radial/specialized.gif


Bias-Ply
http://www.michelingc.com/NA_Eng/images/radial/monoblock.gif


The Bighorns are also sold under the Summit brand called the Mud Dawg. The summit tire company is a subsidiary/down the line holding of Goodyear. Lord only knows who actually makes the Bighorn but it is nice tire. I would definately run them on my truck.

thanks for clearing that up keith...my 35's say the sidewall is 3 ply.:thumbup

What is the advantage of these over the Buckshots?

What is the advantage of these over the Buckshots?

The bighors have siping in the treadblocks that allow better traction in the wet weather and snow. They also have more sidewall tread than the buckshots that help with traction when aired down off road and when in mud. The sidewall biters also add some degree of protection as they add more rubber to the sidewall. I personally feel that the Bighorn is just a better, more well engineered tire. Basically it's the next generation of the buckshot.

ahh, you know back in the day you had two choices: Buckshots or TSLs :toothless

I still have a bias set of the original Buckshots :brownbag

The bighors have siping in the treadblocks that allow better traction in the wet weather and snow. They also have more sidewall tread than the buckshots that help with traction when aired down off road and when in mud. The sidewall biters also add some degree of protection as they add more rubber to the sidewall. I personally feel that the Bighorn is just a better, more well engineered tire. Basically it's the next generation of the buckshot.

The last set of BuckShots I had were siped and threaded for studs.

The last set of BuckShots I had were siped and threaded for studs.

http://www.wheelingtire.com/catalog/cw2/Assets/product_full/MaxxisMudder_big.gif

http://www.roughcountry.com/Graphics/LargePics/maxxis_big-horn.jpg

Being pinned for studs doesn't do much for me. I'd much rather have the extra siping on the outer tread blocks. The buckshots barely have siping they have a few cuts on the center tread blocks right where the blocks have a corner on them. Again personally I think the buckshots are an older design that has been surpassed by the new Bighorns. I think you'll shortly see the Bighorns going up in price as their popularity goes up.

The buckshots i have do really good in water. Yeah they jerk the wheel when going through a good puddle with some speed, but then again show me a tire that doesnt jerk a little.

The thing i dont like about the bighorns is i dont like how the outter lugs just die off at the edge. Every one of the outter lugs dip inwards at the edge of the tread. Unlike buckshots where the outter lugs are the same width from inside to outside.

They do look kind of odd with the lugs scalloped in like that. Although I'd be willing to bet that design element is what gives them the quit road ride.

Is there anyone here with enough miles on these to talk wear and lifetime vs. an Interco or a BGF?

I just bought a set of these for the Rubi. After I've driven on them a little, I'll post up my impressions.

so are these tires real good for rock and trail

Good, you're searching. Now you just need to read. Go back to page one and read post #8 by jackhart and #4 by myself.

After 300 miles on these tires I'll give them the nod on the street. They ride rougher than the MT/Rs I had, but they aren't as loud. I like them so far.

anyone got an update on these tires... thinking of a set for my ford..

I'll have a set of 35's mounted up on Monday. :)

anyone got an update on these tires... thinking of a set for my ford..

well 9 months later and these are wearing great. i continue to think these tires have the best performance to value ratio in a mud/trail tire out there (although honestly i have not checked prices lately). the tires have held up to dd use, still quiet and totally driveable on road. so quiet, it's hard to believe. and yet they still eat up anything i throw at them offroad. i still recommend them highly. :drinkbud :rockon

im loving mine. im glad i went with these tires

did the price of the bighorns go up since they have increased in popularity? ive been driving around on some sorry looking rubber lately because i cant decide what to buy. now i read all this good stuff about the bighorns i was sold...until selecttire.com quoted me at $950 for 5 35x12.50x15's shipped to AZ.

should i go with the dick cepek FC II's then?

I dont know about these tires but i can say that the buckshots by maxxis are great as well. About the same price as well and i know they are 6 ply.



Also just to let everyone know that you can get 35x12.50x15 Mud Kings from Summitt for 132 a piece. But they suck in the rain but awesome in the mud.

The 33's are more than the 35's :wacko

Wow. My 35's were $750 delivered for five of them....just two weeks ago!

Tommy

My 245/75s were $495 for four shipped I think...

yeah, should be $750 shipped for 5, something is not right with that. i would call them back and see what's up. tell them a bunch of people from here have bought for that price and you were referred to them specifically based upon that price.

i would shop something else if the price has gone up much above that.

BTW, I don't think their online price is the same as when you call. I called and got my price.

so i called, but i got an answering machine. ill let yall know how it goes

BTW, I don't think their online price is the same as when you call. I called and got my price.
So when you called, you got a better price? Im lookin at gettin a set very soon, but when i went to checkout my numbers were a lot higher than a lot of your guys'.

So when you called, you got a better price? Im lookin at gettin a set very soon, but when i went to checkout my numbers were a lot higher than a lot of your guys'.

Yup...

Yup...

Right on, that alone will save me a couple bucks. I went into America's tires and they almost weren't able to order in the Bighorns, then they finally found someone who would but it would cost me 170 per tire:shocked without mouting and balancing.

Thanks:thumbup

ebay 601 shipped for 4.. 35x12.5

yea, it looks like im gonna do that. Im just gonna call around a little more to the stores and see if i can get a close deal to that.

Bonzai, did you find a good price from any stores in cali? i cant get ahold of anyone at selecttire.com on the phone and they dont return messages. im thinking that the Bighorns arent worth the effort i might just settle with the Dick Cepek FC II's

Selecttire returned my call and was very courteous, but they don't ship immediately. I had to wait 2-3 days for them to ship my order even though it was in stock.

Bonzai, did you find a good price from any stores in cali? i cant get ahold of anyone at selecttire.com on the phone and they dont return messages. im thinking that the Bighorns arent worth the effort i might just settle with the Dick Cepek FC II's
I still gotta calla round a little more, but Americas Tires wanted 170 without mounting and balancing. Ebay is lookin good they sell 4 for 601 SHIPPED!

I got a set of 32 11.50 15's off ebay.... 508 shipped.... ordered another set in 285/75/16 for 568 shipped from a different vender on ebay.... they have not arrived yet though. I found a shop locally that would order them, but prices were about $100 higher, not including mounting and balancing.

I got a set of 32 11.50 15's off ebay.... 508 shipped.... ordered another set in 285/75/16 for 568 shipped from a different vender on ebay.... they have not arrived yet though. I found a shop locally that would order them, but prices were about $100 higher, not including mounting and balancing.

yea, ebay is lookin good to me. I just sold my tires and rims from an older truck and got 730 cash lying around, so im ready to order!:rockon .

ya im kinda thinking the same thing about ebay, 601..i dont think anyone can beat that, hopefully there alright im always crossing my fingers when ordering from ebay

I got mine from the Ebay folks. No complaints at all.

Second set was delivered yesterday. I did the buy it now on Sat night and they arrived on Wed. before noon.... can't beat that for fast shipping.... those came from a seller in FL .. the first set came from a seller in AR I think.. they took a little longer to arrive.

I ordered mine from Ebay last night for $603. The seller was Selectire.com's ebay account! Selectire wanted like $150 per tire, plus about $220 for shipping to Idaho. Same seller, free shipping.

I ordered mine from Ebay last night for $603. The seller was Selectire.com's ebay account! Selectire wanted like $150 per tire, plus about $220 for shipping to Idaho. Same seller, free shipping.

So what is their ebay name? I have been searchin all over ebay and ebay motors wit variations of "selectire.com" and aint found diddly-poo-poo.

Nevermind I found em. Who knew that Nikkisumthinorother would be selectire :shrug

i just ordered a set of 35x12.5x15 off of ebay as well. 601 shipped, you cant beat it. now i gotta wait for my money to transfer into my paypal...

$600 shipped is pretty unbeatable for 35" tires. Les Schwab wanted almost $1100 for the exact same set! When you factor in the great reviews and all the good things people have to say about the Bighorns, it's a friggin steal. I ordered mine Saturday and got an email this morning saying the tires were shipping out today and should arrive in 4-6 business days. I can't wait.

Only had mine in the rocks for a brief time, but they did quite well. I've been exceptionally happy with my 35s on the Jeep.

Tommy

Well, I have my first complaint. :brownbag

I recently wheeled my Rubi pretty hard with the Bighorns on the rocks at the Superlift ORV park in Hot Springs.

My Bighorns lost a shitload of tread. I have several lugs that almost got ripped off (as in half of the lug is gone), and I did very little spinning. I have a ton of little flaps that are gonna break off soon as well... They got cut up pretty badly too.

Having said all that though, I didn't get a flat :toothless However, I'm running an E rated tire on a Jeep Rubicon, I'd be pissed if I did put a hole in one.

BTW, if you have these, be sure to rotate them. At ~4,500 miles, my rears have visibly worn more than my fronts.

Thats not good news. I was planning on getting some 35's for when I take my 3 inch BL out for a rancho 4 inch.

yeah, i didn't rotate mine for like the first 9k and my rears have worn alot faster too. i started rotating in my spare - i bought 5 bighorns - and this should give me 20% longer life for all of the tires.

i haven't wheeled in a while, but last year mine stood up pretty good, no missing chunks or anything.

Just got back from wheelin' at a place in Llano that's surprisingly like Moab in traction. I put my Big Horns through hell and back at 8 psi and while there is certainly visible wear, there are no torn lugs at all. I was actually very pleased with them....especially after looking at the tires on my buddies' Jeeps!

I'll post up some pics later on. BTW, this was all with a spool in the rear.

Tommy

Post up some pics I want to see.

I've got some pics uploading now, but will have another 800 or so pics later in the week. Those will be the more impressive ones. :D

Tommy where are those pictures you promised us??



has anyone had any problems with some of the bighorns sizes being a 6-ply sidewall? would the walls end up being too stiff and not even flex when aired down?

My E rated ones will flex fairly well (for a 31 on a 16" rim) on my Jeep. Nothing to worry about in that department.

I'm with Stan, post the pics Tommy :deal

I got the 35" Maxxis....I like em

D'oh!! Sorry, forgot all about it. :) FYI, these sidewalls are stiff. On day 1 of this trip I was at 10 psi. Someone actually made the comment that they looked way too stiff! I dropped to 8 psi for day 2 and it worked much better. And on an 8" wheel it didn't blow a bead after being very, very stressed. I'll get beadlocks anyway.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/566093/fullsize/dsc_0611.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/566087/fullsize/dsc_0599.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/565991/fullsize/dsc_0251.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/565992/fullsize/dsc_0252.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/566079/fullsize/dsc_0538.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/564665/fullsize/jj9-15-07_067.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/564791/fullsize/jj9-15-07_174.jpg

And here's a brief video:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/564872/thumbnail/564872.jpg (http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/564872)

Overall, I was very impressed with both the Jeep and the tires. I made it up everything I tried. FYI, the Jeep is fully locked with a Lock Right in the front and a spool in the rear D44.

Here's the rest of the pics from the weekend under the "Jeep Jamboree" folder:
http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/16655

What's that screechin' noise in the video, tommy? baby steps, remember...Cool pics and video.

How many miles do you have on those tires now? I got 45K out of the Firestone Destination MT's, and just put on a new set on the '06 Doggie, JSM84

well its good to hear people still like em even though they (some) are 6ply.

Not sure what that noise was, Randy. I suspect the e-brake was still pulled a bit or a rock go wedged between a rotor and dustshield. It didn't do it the rest of the weekend, just on that one climb.

I just wish they made these tires in 37s. :(

Yeah, me too. BTW, the Firestones are 10-ply, and $210/ea but seem to be really hard to find. I don't have much option with 17" wheels, maybe I should swap to 20" dubs? (not). I'm going to try a set of these Bighorns next time I buy a set of tires, bsed mostly on Tommy R's good experience with them and the decent price. BFG's are just way to much.

What's the latest on these from everyone. How are they lasting on the street?

Thought I'd bump this thread since I;m picking up my set this Saturday.

Going with 4 265/75/16s for my XJ found a guy on Ebay selling a set for $505 andf he's down the road so I don't have to pay shipping. Running some Pro Comp 1089s in 16x8 with them I just ordered.

How did the Bighorns wear for yall? How are they doing on the road after some wear? For the price I don't mind only getting 20,000 out of a set(thatll take me prolly 3 years anyways). I won't wheel them much just like the looks and reviews on them.

BTW I searched google for Bighorn reviews and FSB was the top of the list!

They have been wearing GREAT for me. I dont keep track of mileage so I dont know how much they have on them though.

my siping is pretty much all gone now. they probably have around 16000 miles on them. the lugs are still good though.

Cool well they're going on a Jeep Cherokee so maybe they'll wear a little better since its lighter. Plus I doubt I'll be spinning on many rocks so tearing off lugs insn't a factor for me.

Do yall like the high void areas between lugs? Good for rain and mud I'm guessing?

Cool well they're going on a Jeep Cherokee so maybe they'll wear a little better since its lighter.

actually mine are mounted on a jeep lj, so it's probably close to the same weight as an xj.

and yes, they are great in rain and mud. you'll like them alot.

I've got NOTHING but good things to say about my Big Horns. I've got a little over 10k miles on them overall, including many harsh wheelin' trips on rocks. They don't air down well, though. The 35s on my Jeep need to be aired down into the single digits to flex the sidewall at all. They're the primary reason I opted for beadlocks. Now I run 6 psi and they grip like mad! What a difference! So far there is plenty of tread left (I forsee at least 25k miles) and the lugs hold up well to substantial abuse (on a fairly light rig).

They're good on the street and in the rain, but for someone who really isn't going to go offroad I'd run an All Terrain type tire.

Tommy

Well I can get these for a lot less than many ATs. I like the bigger name brand tires and they are just a lot more expensive with it being a 16" wheel I reckon.

buckshots suck in the snow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on the road but if your off road with buckshots when it snows...they are bad ass. just not on the road

This thread is about Big Horns, not Buckshots :doh0715:

sorry i read the word buckshots and got tire happy

Alright, I recently had to dump my Big Horns with over 1/4 of the tread still on them. Suffice to say I'm MUCH LESS happy with Big Horns now...

Since the beginning, my Big Horns have always had a slight vibration. Then I wheeled on them for the first time and the vibration became more than slight, but still not anything to write home about. I had em rebalanced and it didn't change anything, so I chalked it up to weirdness and moved on (at this point I swapped tires with a friend's Jeep, and his Jeep had the vibe and mine went away, it was certainly the tires). Well, over time the vibration just got worse and worse, especially after three or four more hard wheeling trips. To make a long story short, after the last wheeling trip they got ridiculously shakey. I lived with it as long as I could as the tires still had over 1/3 of their life left in them! (By this point I had been putting up with a pretty harsh shake in the 45-55 mph region for quite some time). Finally, after the last time I rotated them I got deathwobble out the ass and gave up.

I went to my local tire shop and had four BFG KM2s put on the Jeep. After the guys pulled the tires, the owner came up to me (our families are friends...if that makes sense) and asked how long I'd been running the tires since they started shaking. I told him, "oh...if you count minor vibes, about three years. Probably 9 months of bad shaking." His eyes bugged a little and he says, "Holy shit, the belts are all ****ed up in those...they should have been replaced a LONG time ago." They didn't have much in the way of sidewall imperfections, just a few tiny little dents here and there, but the inside of the tire looked rough as hell.

Anyway, the moral of the story is that not every set of these tires is gonna give the great experience that many others have had. I think had I not been running an E rated tire on a little Jeep (and not driven like an old man like I do...) that I would have had a blowout at some point. If you're wheeling pretty hard on these tires, keep a close eye on em...

Also, I had ripped a shitload of rubber off of mine by the end. They don't take well to sharp rocks at all...

Anyway, just thought I'd post up my final opinion. The tires were ok when new, but the more I wheeled the worse they got. I put about 31k miles on them before I had to throw them away (and I should have done it sooner, I just had the money tied up elsewhere...) and they still had significantly more than 1/4 usable tread left.

VERDICT:

I'd put these on an offroad only rig or a cheap beater, but I'm going to avoid them for DD/dual purpose rigs from now on...

sorry to hear about that hopper. i am surprised you still had tread on them after 31K.

i've since stopped driving mine on a daily basis - not sure of the exact mileage on them but it's under 20K - and use them only for offroading now. they were starting to chunk and wearing really quickly. the siping is pretty much completely gone.

since these tires are no longer bargain priced, i'd think twice about buying them again, especially for dd/weekend warrior use.

sorry to hear about that hopper. i am surprised you still had tread on them after 31K.

i've since stopped driving mine on a daily basis - not sure of the exact mileage on them but it's under 20K - and use them only for offroading now. they were starting to chunk and wearing really quickly. the siping is pretty much completely gone.

since these tires are no longer bargain priced, i'd think twice about buying them again, especially for dd/weekend warrior use.

The 31k is a pretty rough guess, and probably on the high side. It could be as low as 24k really. That's a pretty big discrepancy, but it's all I can really say... I know that they wore really well though. They looked new for a long time until they got ripped up in the rocks.

In any case, I made damn sure to write down the date and mileage when the KM2s were put on :rofl:

One other thing, and it's probably just that my KM2s are 265/75s and my Big Horns were 245/75s, but the KM2s did quite a bit to smooth out my ride. I don't think it's an issue of sidewall thickness or anything since the weight ratings for the two are almost identical (the actual rating, not just the letter "E"). The ride was absolutely terrible with the Big Horns, and now it's just terrible with the KM2s :toothless

Cant say the same for my set, the tires haven't lost any rubber or anything, just normal tread wear and are still doing great on and offroad.

Sorry to see that happen with you.

Bought some Bighorns as well. They were real good for a very short period of time. I wish I spent the extra $ on something else.
IMO other than looks,these are not very good tires.

i just bought some as well and must say i was happy with them and everything but now i have a shakey wheel around 35 40 mph after i only wheeled them once. not sure its the tire but after reading what Hopper said i think its the same problem