Just for the helluvit, here are a few videos and highlights and some of my favorite fighters. These guys are some of the best in the world.

Fedor Emeliaenko The absolute best this world has ever had, and ever will
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I-6UVNpAXo


Mirko Cro-Cop Filipovic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFkYZVzf0rc


Shinya Aoki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffdSeM5SfZw


Genki Sudo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOS2udBN9R4


Sakuraba The "Gracie Hunter". The only man to beat 4 Gracie's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5I_uMO_3XY




My 5 can beat up your 5

I have no idea who any of them are, but that guy that you claim to be the greatest is pretty scary.

No shit.

He is russian. Used to train the military.
He is a family guy, who has a baby face, and doesnt have a hateful bone in his body. In fact if you watch his fights, he never shows any emotion. Never a snarl, or a curse word. Never show boats, etc.
Most have said he is the most likeable guy in fighting.

However, step in the ring with him, and you are done. He has beaten the best, and has never been beaten.


Cro-Cop, the second in command, is also deadly. He fought Fedor and lost via decision, which in the eyes of millions is very respectable. He went the distance with the deadliest fighter in the world.
Cro-Cop is an active member of the Croation Parliament.
He also played professional soccer
He also trains Croation anti-terrorism squads how to find-fight-kill. (A tactic where a group of military personel take out their opposition using close combat techniques. AKA, Knife, punches, kicks, neck breaks, etc.
He too, shows very little emotion, and his high left leg kicks have been measured and compared to getting hit by a Mark McGuire baseball bat swing.

The others are great tactioners of MMA, jiu jitsu, etc.

But notice, not one of those fighters are UFC fighters. It just goes to show that there are a lot better fighters out there.

I thought Sakuraba has beaten 5 Gracie's now?

And here's an interesting question I thought of after reading what you said about CroCop's kick:

Which would you rather have done to you:

A. Left high kick from CroCop
B. Unblocked right hammer from Tank Abbott

Obviously Tank is one of the most talentless fighters the MMA has ever seen, but he possesses anvils for hands, just look at what his 40 year old right hand was able to do to Cabbage. Knocked him down with one punch. Mark Hunt might be the only other person in the world who could "maybe" take a shot like that and still stand on his feet. Maybe.

I think I'd rather get shot in the chest by a 9mm than either of those actually.

Edit - And I won't even talk about Fedor, he might armbar me from Russia.

Double edit - And I still can't believe Fedor survived that suplex from Randleman.

That suplex from Randleman just shows how full proof Fedor is.

The tank abbott punch vs. crocops leg kick....

I would say, well, they would both suck, but I think that crocops leg kick would be worse.
Here's why:

His first MMA fight, he cut open Fajitas face 39 seconds into the first round, it was so bad, the dr immediatly stopped the fight, and thats in Japan. You probably know that Japan isnt sanctioned and they only stop fights to cuts if they are brutal.

When he fought Silva the first time he broke two of his ribs with one midsection left kick

When he fought Sakuraba, he broke his ocular bone around his eye.

When he fought Bob Sapp, he broke his ocular bone.

When he fought Heath Herring he fractured his lowest right rib, and bruised his liver. Heath was in the hospital for 6 days with a disfunctional liver. He could have f*cking died.

Igor Vovchanchyn, broke his orbital bone, and he suffered severe head trauma hospitalizing him to. Igor said in his folling interview that he couldnt hold food or fluids for 3 days after his KO. At the time Igor was one of the few that people called "The guy who couldnt be KO'd".

Dos Caras Jr. Head trauma, concussion

Alex Emelianenko, concusion

Josh Barnett the first time, dislocated shoulder

Yoshida: Torn leg tendon, and torn miniscus

Vanderlei SIlva the second time: Stitches, Head trauma, concussion, and broken ocular bone

Josh Barnett second time, (And the same night he beat Silva) he broke Josh's Ocular bone.


Those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. He has a long list of breaking peoples ocular bones, and giving head trauma.

Tank Abbotts right hand is no joke but to my memory his list of injuries he has deliverd is:
John Matua: Concusion
Cabbage: Concussion

So, that mixed with the fact that Mirko has fought top contendors nearly every fight, puts Mirko ahead of the deadly blow game.

I think another aspect is that Tanks hand is covered with a 6 oz. padded glove, where as Mirko's shin bone isnt. Mirko has calissed (SP?) his shin bone so much its tougher than leather, and getting hit by it would probably feel like a wooden bat.


Either way, any mortal man gets hit with either one square in the dome, there not going to walk away with a smile on their face.


Oh and I forgot to mention, Mark Hunt is the only person to date who has taken a Mirko head kick and survived. It knocked him down, but he didnt get KO'd. In fact Hunt won that fight via decision.

I dont think it counts though. Mark Hunt is part samoan and we all know that samoans heads are full of cement. LOL!

Oh and here is Saku's official record against Gracie's:

Win Royler Gracie Technical Submission (Kimura) PRIDE 8-PRIDE 8 11/21/1999

Win Royce Gracie TKO (Corner Stoppage) PRIDE Grand Prix 2000-Finals 5/1/2000

Win Renzo Gracie Technical Submission (Kimura) PRIDE 10-Return of the Warriors 8/27/2000

Win Ryan Gracie Decision PRIDE 12-Cold Fury 12/9/2000


Source: Sherdog.com and Pridefc.com

Here is another video of Cro-Cop.

This one is called "The Story" and its a comp of his fight against W Silva. It shows the leg kick KO in slow mo.
http://www.dailymotion.com/desko-unlmtd/video/xeyey_reload-cro-cop-vs-silva-the-story

Here is another video of Cro-Cop.

This one is called "The Story" and its a comp of his fight against W Silva. It shows the leg kick KO in slow mo.
http://www.dailymotion.com/desko-unlmtd/video/xeyey_reload-cro-cop-vs-silva-the-story


I don't think I have seen Crocop fight other than these videos. That man is bad! He spit the side of his head open with that kick! :shocked

But I still like Fedor Emeliaenko. This guy just doesn't look like the kind of guy that would beat one to a pulp. He appears to really know what to do and when to do it. Things other fighters do he seems to find a way out of it on the way to the ground.

Did he break Silva's ocular bone in that last video?

Hopper, Yes. You can kinda tell when hes laying there and there is blood coming out of his eye, ouch....


RTM, Yeah Fedor is a better fighter. Fedor is out of this world. I dont think there is anyone who can beat him. I think *if* he ever loses it will either be a fluke, or when he is over 42.
Not too many fighers have succesful careers after 40, much less 42.

hey godless what would you say some of Fedor Emeliaenko best fights? i had never heard of him before, not to familiar with pride. But that guy is fast, not just fast for a big fighter but fast for anyone. also powerful and a scientific fighter.

In case you haven't heard:
Fedor is alledgedly going to fight on the Bodog PPV in March.
He has a clause in his Pride contract that allows him to fight in Russian events (the Bodog PPV will be billed as USA vs. Russia and will take place in St. Petersburg).
Fedor has 1 fight left on his contract, and Bodog is alledgedly trying to buy him from Pride. Probably won't happen. At least I hope not, we don't need the talent pool to get any thinner across organizations.

His timing has been called into question, as Fedor was loosely scheduled to fight Cro Cop in February. Some think Fedor wants to stay on top before he fights Cro Cop again, because he could well lose.


FWIW: Alexs Emilianenko is rumored to be fighting in the Bodog PPV as well.

It's too bad Pride ****ed Saku so badly for so long. He's a shadow of what he should have been. He built that organization.

Kris

P.S. Fedor's opponent at the USA vs. Russia event will likely be Jeff Monson. Which is ironic, because Monson has a hammer/sickle tattoo and is an anarchist. Hardly a representation of the "American Dream".
In any case, Fedor will eat his soul and shit down his throat at 1:27 seconds into the first round.

P.S. Fedor's opponent at the USA vs. Russia event will likely be Jeff Monson. Which is ironic, because Monson has a hammer/sickle tattoo and is an anarchist. Hardly a representation of the "American Dream".
In any case, Fedor will eat his soul and shit down his throat at 1:27 seconds into the first round.

I'm willing to bet that Fedor has better sparing partners than Monson.

Fedor Emeliaenko The absolute best this world has ever had, and ever will
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I-6UVNpAXo


The Best there is, was, and ever will be.

And what the hell is up with him fighting jeff Monson. Talk about not giving him a hard opponent

That's exactly why I hope Bodog doesn't sign Fedor to a contract.
Personally, I don't think there's enough of a depth of talent in the HW devision to support more than 1 organization. At the moment, Pride has all the heavyweights worth mentioning.
If they start splitting up, it's just going to suck everywhere.

ie: Fedor goes to Bodog and fights cans. Cro Cop goes to the UFC, walks through the LHW and HW devisions and sits on his ass getting fat because noone can touch him. Rua kills everyone in the IFL. And on and on.
Pretty soon, it's like boxing where you have 1 good fighter in each organization and they don't even have to try anymore.

Personally, I'd like to see the UFC get rid of their HW division. It sucks anyway and it's never going to be any good without dishing out massive Pride-sized dollars.
They should be concentrating on the LW division instead. That's where the potential is.


EDIT: For the record, I'm on the Cro Cop bandwagon. Obviously, Fedor is the better all around fighter, but I think Mirko has gotten to a point where he'll be able to make Fedor fight his fight. If it come to that, and Fedor is forced to bang with Cro Cop, Fedor's definatly at a disadvantage.
However, I don't think Mirko has enough in his tank to actually finish Fedor. Fedor is a cyborg. Mirko might win, but it'll be by decision.

http://mypickspal.com/images/cache/ChuckNorris1_165x239.jpg

That Cro-Cop looked the sickest to my..All around better fighter...Guys speed and aim is scary......

My 5 can beat up your 5


Bullshit:rolleyes:

Ricky the Dragon Steamboat
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/462940/fullsize/steamboat-ricky08.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDkFACmqjAk


The Ultimate Warrior
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/462941/fullsize/warrior1.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTPE5ksn-jk


Andre the Giant
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/462943/fullsize/andre12b.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-89qkTZS7P0


Razor Ramone
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/462947/fullsize/razor_ramon.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gCjzwIcyHQ



Brett "the hitman" Hart
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/462948/fullsize/19871.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1Nm40dIzrU



You just got F-ed in the A:goodfinge

Wow, I love it when a post opens up.
Answer, and replies:

CGBills: I would say his top fights IMHO are: Fujita. Probably the closest he came to losing, Fedor had his bell rung good, does a fish dance then seconds later recovers and wins by RNC. Amazing.
Also his first fight against Mark Coleman. He walked threw Coleman no problem, but it shows how well Fedor's jiu jitsu is.
I dunno, uh and maybe his first fight against Nog. Nog was a decent champion, but Fedor whiped that sh!tty smile of his face.
Its really hard to say I like most of his fights. The only ones I dont like are against BS freak show opponents like ZULU, and Chicken Man.
That is one of the things I hate about Pride FC. They will build up a fighter like CroCop, Fedor, etc. and in between decent fighters, they fight f*cking tomato cans like that. :rolleyes

Caustic: Yup, it sounds like you are a member over at Sherdog too. Or maybe your just like me, you troll the forums but never post for fear of being trapped, and pooped on by the assholes that think their god over there. LOL.

As far as I have read, the match between Monson and Fedor is on.
Monson isnt even a top level fighter. Monson is NOT a good rep of USA, and Monson doesnt have a chance against Fedor. I honestly believe that if Fedor was blind folded against Monson, Fedor would still find a way to win. Monson is a f*cking juice junky and I cant wait until he is fazed out of MMA.
Did I mention I dont like Monson?
Pride is also going to renegotiate his contract and he is going to be getting a lot more moolah. More than any other org in the world could afford. He made millions for his BS fight in Vegas, and that was just a drop in the ocean. I dont see him leaving unless Cro Cop beats him twice. Or unless Cro Cop beats him, then Nog beats him. Which imo wont happen.

I see Cro Cop maybe winning one fight against Fedor. If that happened, Fedor would come back meaner than ever and ruin Cro Cop.
I love Cro Cop, but I just dont ever see him being the dominate well rounded fighter that Fedor is now.
I agree with you on Saku. I think the 4 losses to Silva really killed his dream and inspiration of being a champion. He also has had his chin exposed too many times, and the brain can only take BFT so many times. I hope he retires soon before he is permanently hurt.

Burl: He does. Monson is a 99% ground fighter. His claim to faim is that he won Abu Dhabi. YAWN! Yeah and so did Eddie Bravo.
So, Monson surrounds himself with meat head floor jockies who keep reminding him how he won the grappling event.
He temporarily trained with the (IIRC) Brazilian boxing team before his fight against Sylvia, but that got him nowhere. Sylvia turtled all 5 rounds, neither fighter shown champion spirit.
Which leads me to my next point. MFS has always been my favorite team, but they are going downhill fast. Jens Pulver cant buy a fight, Lawler is a has been, Hughes got schooled, Horn has given up fighting for his school in SLC, Pat himself cant fight due to neck injuries. Sylvia wouldnt be champion if he actually had to fight someone who was a contendor. I want to see him fight anyone in Prides top 5, then we will see if he really is anything.

Phant, exactly

Caustic: Your fears, are my fears too. I am afraid that since MMA holds more appeal to PPV than boxing does now, that we will start to see a lot of these "fly by night" orgs coming up to spread out the competition.
I dont see any 1 org with the bank roll that could by up all the worlds top fighters. So just like you said, you will see 1 great fighter here, another there, and maybe 2 over in this org, but eventually it will come back down and then the fighters will have to look for jobs again.
For the sake of MMA, I hope this doesnt happen.

I think that UFC needs to concentrate more on their HW division rather than their LW. They have seemed to dump a LOT of time and money to restart the little guys again. Why start something up when they could have focused more attention on HW? Dumb move. No one can tell me that there is a world shortage on HW fighters....They should have a TUF series with dedicated HW fighters in it to stimulate the hw division.

Derrick, that post was genius. I love the "You got F'd in the A" South Park response too. LOLOLOLOLOL. Hilarious.

Derrick, that post was genius. I love the "You got F'd in the A" South Park response too. LOLOLOLOLOL. Hilarious.



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Wow, I love it when a post opens up.

I think that UFC needs to concentrate more on their HW division rather than their LW. They have seemed to dump a LOT of time and money to restart the little guys again. Why start something up when they could have focused more attention on HW? Dumb move. No one can tell me that there is a world shortage on HW fighters....They should have a TUF series with dedicated HW fighters in it to stimulate the hw division.

There is that much of a shortage of good heavyweight fighters.
They already had a TUF with HW fighters. Look who we got from it:
Rashad Evans (yawn) who now fight at LHW, and Brad Imes? Give me a break.
Jardine could have some potential, but he's not fighting HW anymore either.

As much as I hate Tim Sylvia, he said it best: There just aren't that many 250lbs guys that can fight at a competitive level. There aren't many 250lbs guys period, so your pool of possible fighters is small to begin with.
The lightweights, on the other hand, have a lot of potential. The younger, lighter, faster guys are the ones who'll be reinventing the sport.

MFS: They've been running on borrowed time for awhile now.
Fact of the matter is that the new breed of fighter isn't a wrestler who's taken some boxing, or a MT guy with some BJJ. No, the new breed are guys that have been training MMA since the start. Guys that've been training as freestyle fighters since the beginning.
The Pulver fight is a good example of this.
Joe Lauzon is, if not a part of the new breed, at least a transitional fighter. He's just a different species than most other fighters. This is something you'll see of most fighters who are either fighting out of, or have trained at, places like SSSFighting. Bill Mahoney is training his fighters in a way that's not been done in the past and they're cleaning up. They're taking the hardest fights and winning most of them.

They're not BJJ/MT/wrestlers. They're MMA fighters. They're freestyle fighters.
It's not even fair to call it MMA anymore, because it's no longer a "mix" of martial arts systems. It's a system unto itself.

In a very short while, we'll look back at the great champions of today (Randy, Chuck, Matt) and wonder how these dinosaurs lasted as long as they did. The new fighters are coming, and they're 20 years old, excellent in every aspect, and they've been training for this venue since day one. Instead modifying their primary system to compete in MMA, these guys are real MMA practitioners first and foremost.

Kris

In a very short while, we'll look back at the great champions of today (Randy, Chuck, Matt) and wonder how these dinosaurs lasted as long as they did. The new fighters are coming, and they're 20 years old, excellent in every aspect, and they've been training for this venue since day one. Instead modifying their primary system to compete in MMA, these guys are real MMA practitioners first and foremost.

Kris


I couldnt have said this better myself. This is very true, just like the champions of today compared to the Gracies of yesteryear.

I think the next gen of fighters are going the be the Gomi's, GSP's, Fedor's, etc. That is why I dont give CroCop all the credit in the world. He is my second favorite fighter, but he is (imho) quite a few steps down from Fedor.


As far as HW goes, I think that there are some out there if the UFC was willing to pay what they need to.

Heath Herring has done well in the past with Pride, but I think he would de quite well in the UFC, and since he is an american it would be a good transition.

*Lil* Nog could be a good candidate for UFC too considering he will never rank in Pride like his bro has.

Alex Emelianenko (Though there are rumors that he cant get a work visa due to criminal record)

Sergei Kharitonov wouldnt be bad, he might have to gain 10 pounds but thats no biggie.

I dunno, I think it could be something, but who knows.

Either way, Dana White wouldnt make the right decision if it fell in his lap. Just like the 750,000 he dropped on Tank so he could lose 3 fights like a b!tch.

:histerica