Ive been talking to John at staz works about a group buy on his civian double beadlocks. He is willing to work a deal depending on how many people we get together. Also if a couple people from one area order it will save on shipping costs.

If you havent seen his beadlocks go here http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167971&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

there are several choices of centers available, these are just a couple. also if there is a specific design you want he can probaly do it for you.
http://fullsizebronco.net/fsbimagehost/show.php/56/wheel1.jpg
http://fullsizebronco.net/fsbimagehost/show.php/58/20spider2.jpg
this ones still in the works
http://fullsizebronco.net/fsbimagehost/show.php/59/chopper.jpg


here are the prices normaly, group buy will change these accordingly
in either 8",9",10" widths with your choice of backspacing and lug pattern
15" is $200 each
16" and 16.5" 200each
17 are 225 each
20" is between $250-275

Rock rings are
$40 for the 15"
$45 for the 17"

also do to these being build by hand and depending on how many orders he has going it may take a little while to get your set of wheels built. but that all depends on how many orders he has when you order.

so lets hear how many people are interested

tempting...

I likey but need wider wheels than he is offering . Really nice looking wheel though .

im pretty sure he can make them to your width. but you would need to double check. i like the new iron cross design. when is it due by? these are the rims i plan on getting, i just need to save the $$ for them.

Originally posted by BigBad94Bronco
I likey but need wider wheels than he is offering . Really nice looking wheel though .

what do you need? He can build just about anyhting. drop him an email johns351c@centurytel.net or give him a call (715) 333-5591

when is it due by? these are the rims i plan on getting, i just need to save the $$ for them
no time frame as of yet, if there alot of intrest and people ready to buy then it may happen sooner than later.

I'm in Dustin!:thumbup

Originally posted by Blaze
I'm in Dustin!:thumbup

awsome...the more we have in on this the better. are you ready to buy now? or?

im looking at $1K in rims so its honestly going to be a while, if we could secure a discount thats club based possibly or some way to set it up for one guy to get his this month, another the next? he still has lead time building them & orders to fill. just a thought. he gives POR discounts too. im getting his rims, just dont know the size & at the time dont have the fundage.

hey, he could cut superman symbols or bat signals or lucky charms shapes or really anything you could ever imagine. i bet we could get boobs cut for you know who. lightning bolts or a forest scene with deer for the hunters. sorry to ramble but i was just thinking. pheasant or duck. possibly fish for the fisherman. or pot leafs for the people that want to get hassled by the cops & rangers. lol, i saw a sticker on ebay while i was looking for 460 inside decals, and there was a lot of pot oriented stickers that just seemed to scream "pull me over & cavity search me"

yeah I know you cant do yours right now, as of now Im seeing it I can drum up intrest in this. I want to get these and after todays tire issues I might be looking for sooner than later for my wheels. lets just play it by ear and see how it goes, hell the whole group buy might not even work out anyway:shrug

Those are very nice rims... I would be insterested. I'd like to know how those hold up though. Still wondering about that design..

By how much would the price change with the group buy? I had planned on buying these wheels, it just seemed through the POR thread that tons of people were ordering them and he was the only one making them. I was expected a long ass time to get them. I would be interested in group buy prices for a 17x9, 8 lug, with that first pattern. Also a 15x8, 8 lug, first pattern, 2.5inch BS

What BS do you think I should run with 60/10.25 on a 17?

Dustin---I went through that entire por thread and really like these. I am planning on getting beadlocks with new tires but I will not have enough money saved up until late January---with Chrstmas and everything. I wish I had the money now but it's just not possible. If this group buy drags on i'll be interested.

Brian

Originally posted by axaviere
fundage.


good word. haha.

this is the same design as the hummer beadlocks...this is by far the safest and toughest beadlock design out there, for road or offorad.

these are going to be my next wheels. when i get them is the real question. i cant afford them now. so if this doesnt go down right away, then id be in. if it does, then im out.

maybe in 6 months for me Dustin. But defintely intersted if you can wait a while

I really having issues deciding on wha to run on my rig anyway. Ive got 2 bad tires on my rig so Im probaly going to have to get a new set of mtrs very soon cause Im running on a dry rotted spare. its either 35s again or 37s. I REALLY what 37s on a 17 but I dont know how long it would take to get wheels so that might not be feasable. If I stick to a 15 I could wait a bit for the rims.

looks to be about a 4-6 week wait on wheels depending on what you want. If its a popular setup he might get them done sooner. Also I asked him about the price breakdown.

here is the breakdown 50$ off a set for 2 orders and 75$ off per set of 3 orders and 100$ off per set of 4 or more orders.

Originally posted by Dustin
awsome...the more we have in on this the better. are you ready to buy now? or?

I'm ready when you are...:thumbup

whats the longest you guys would be willing to wait?

You said they where $200 a rim right? So that brings us to a Grand total of $900 for a set of 5? Thats a bit much for me right now:( Those are killer looking rims though.

Originally posted by plug ugly
whats the longest you guys would be willing to wait?

It depends on my tire situation, Im got some more places to call tomarrow to see where I can get the best price. I should know what Im doing here soon, wish I wasent scared of the 37s:uhoh3

If I stick to the 15s I cant wait a while to order so we get as many in on the deal as possible but if I do 17s I will need them sooner

You said they where $200 a rim right? So that brings us to a Grand total of $900 for a set of 5? Thats a bit much for me right now Those are killer looking rims though.

why not just buy 4 and get a regular rim for the spare? and yeah they are 200 a per wheel before the group buy discount. seems like alot of money but its accually good for a quality dual beadlock

True True. My basic reason for buying 2 is that I run the spool in the rear. And would like to rotate my tires.

But $700 isnt' a bad price. I maybe able to swing that.

Jopes just turned me on to these. I think I need a set to take to work. The longer you can wait the better. Good luck finding any 37's right now Dustin, not for a few more months. i would go with 17's personally, that is what I just got and I really like them

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=2197458

Im probaly going to hold off for now on the wheels. Im serouisly pissed off right now and about ready to park the bronco and forget about it for a while. between not being able to get tires, not being able to make up my mind on size and being jerked around at the spring shop Im fed up.

I got a sick deal on mtrs in either 35s or 37s but I cant get them, everywhere is backordered. I can get the 37s from desertrat by the end of the week but it would cost me 200 for the 15s and 247 for the 17s. this is considerably more than I can get them for, but I have to wait 3-4 weeks or more to get 37s and on top of all that I have to at the very least buy 300 in gears:banghead Im also worryed about clearance in the front with the 37s as well. My axle didnt end up far enough forward so I think I would have to cut alot of fender to make it work.

Im about ready to go down the the beaner shop downtown and buy a used 35bfg and call it good.

Originally posted by Dustin

Im about ready to go down the the beaner shop downtown and buy a used 35bfg and call it good.

:rolleyes:

:shrug

With beadlocks, why have a complete spare? It's not very difficult to change the tire on the wheel while on the trail. Save the money and space.

Those wheels look sweet, but I'm concerned about the weight.

Mitch

OK Thats ****ing stupid. You carry a spare tire without a rim. When you get a flat. Your going to disassemble the rim and put a new tire on it?

Wow what a waste of time. I'd rather be wheelin then changing tires on rims.. And annoying my fellow wheelers by doing so because I was to cheap to get a 5th rim.

Originally posted by Bronco85
OK Thats ****ing stupid. You carry a spare tire without a rim. When you get a flat. Your going to disassemble the rim and put a new tire on it?

Wow what a waste of time. I'd rather be wheelin then changing tires on rims.. And annoying my fellow wheelers by doing so because I was to cheap to get a 5th rim.

dude give the guy a break, it sounded like a question to me.

I agree tho I would rather carry another tire/rim to just slap on insead of disassembling a wheel

Ok I guess you could read it that way, I didn't. But after further review of his post. your worried about weight? Your rig weights 5600 lbs. Hell that rim tire combo probably weights less then what 120 lbs? Hell Thats only a small person.

check out the pirate thread for some new designs for centers

I don't know if I want the spokes (daytona type) or the holes (modular type)..but it looks like I better get to ordering as it may be after the first of the year before completion, it sounds like he's pretty backed up. The first yearor two of getting a bussiness up and runnin' is the worst!:banghead

It was a suggestion, not a question.

I've run with some jeeps that carry just a spare tire, not a fifth wheel. With the standard beadlocks it took the guy about 5 minutes to change it. It is kind of stupid, but his rational was saving space in a TJ. We all know that jeep people are kind of stupid. He was able to store most of his other gear inside the spare tire, then strap it down in the back.

As far as weight goes, I'm always worried about it. My truck is reasonably stripped down, and I don't go too overkill on the fabrication. When it comes to wheels, the weight issue is compounded. The heavier wheel carries more inertia, which is more difficult to stop or start. On top of that, it's more unsprung weight, so the suspension has to work harder to control it. I realize it doesn't make that much difference, but every bit helps.

Mitch:goodfinge

Are these wheels street legal?

May be a dumb question but why di the magazines say that bead locks are not street legal, or what make sthem unsafe for the road? who would give you a ticket for having beadlocks on the highway?

I am interested in a set of 17x10s

Are these wheels street legal?

They aren't DOT approved. That doesn't mean that they're not "street legal".


May be a dumb question but why di the magazines say that bead locks are not street legal, or what make sthem unsafe for the road? who would give you a ticket for having beadlocks on the highway?


Not a dumb question. They are just as safe as a non-bead lock wheel as long as you maintain the proper tourqe setting on the bolts that hold the 2 shells together.

Who would give you a ticket? No one.

I think I read that his shells are DOT stamped, so therefor they will appear to be DOT approved. Also, the method of the beadlock retains the safety bead, so most cops probably wouldn't give them a second look anyway.

Mitch

Ok, so you can basicly mount the tires yourself, This bead lock is a two piece wheel? as appossed to the other kind of bead lock that uses screws or bolst to hold the bead?

(I guess i am bead lock ignorant)

yes this is a 2 peice duel beadlock which locks both beads instead of the convental outside bead lock. you have to mount these yourself or at least they have to be handmounted. there is some pictures and intructions on pirate for mounting

The ring clamp style beadlock wheel just uses two rings on the outside beat...one is welded to the rim, then the tire is placed on the rim. The inner bead is seated normally, but the outer gets clamped between the welded ring, and an outside ring which bolts ot the inner ring, thus keeping the beading from goin anywhere. i think that makes sense.

looks like prices will be going up after the first of the year

please read this thread
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203115

I'm still in! :thumbup

Ok I guess you could read it that way, I didn't. But after further review of his post. your worried about weight? Your rig weights 5600 lbs. Hell that rim tire combo probably weights less then what 120 lbs? Hell Thats only a small person.


if you think those double bead locks are only 120 lbs with tires. think again.

well they might be for a 35 incher....



my current tires, 15x10 rims, 38.5x14.5's run around 130lbs each.

I heard a pallet of four 20x10 double bead locks and five 12.50r20 michelins are running around 850 lbs.

These rim tire combos are far from light.

maybe in 6 months for me Dustin. But defintely intersted if you can wait a while


:stupid Same here I got almost 4000 coming oct 1st that is already set for my bronco but couldnt possibly do it before then.

Is this ever going to happen?

Im about ready to go down the the beaner shop downtown and buy a used 35bfg and call it good.

:wtf

I'm ready--anyone else????

I'm ready. Price is up to $235 each. With a group buy we might get it back down. Who's with me?

its like every other group buy on here. It'll never happen

well it was never really a group buy to begin with, not enough interest to really make it happen, I know Im out since I straped for cash right now. plus the prices have gone up so we pretty much need to start over.

Im going to unstick this thread since it seems to be dead

Good call...

Back in May when I had a little more money people were not ready. So I waited a little while (not long) so I decided to get some tires. I also spent a little here and there on tools and such. Timing is everything and I guess the time was just not right. I hate it because I really like his work.

Brian

yeah I love his wheels, but I just dont have a grand to blow on rims right now unforgently

just to tell you a little and to keep this thread undead.

I talked to john about 1 month ago about some things. The 20's in light weight shells are now $300, 20's with rock rings and heavier shells are $400 each. Thats a $100 per rim increase from when I bought my heavy shelled rims with rock rings. All of this is because of the steel prices are going thru the roof.