ignition and wiring assistance requested 84 Bronco

[AZ_BRONCO]

Just cleaning up the 84 Bronco I recently picked up. The steering column where the ignition lock is has been boogered up bad as it looks like someone lost the keys at one point. The only way to put a lock/tumbler back in it is to buy a replacement column...im not wanting to do that.. I really want to install a universal in dash ignition switch to see if I can get this thing running. What wires do I need to look for and what goes where as far as wiring up one of these universal ignition switches.

Also somewhere during the life of this vehicle, the starter solenoid on the firewall went missing. I have a replacement and was wondering if anyone had a schematic, diagram or picture of how the solenoid is wired. Thanks in advance.

[miesk5]

yo AZ,

I'm sure this post will be moved to the Noobie Bronco Tech Questions. Flame free zone! soon, so look for it there.

Wiring Diagram in an 84 (SLOW to LOAD)
Source: by toddcomputer @ http://web.archive.org/web/201012201...g/1Graphic.htm


compare to;

Wiring Diagram in an 84 Bronco & F Series Section 2
Source: by Chilton http://content.chiltonsonline.com/co.../85766114l.gif

Push Button Start Installation in a 93 (modify for your year)
Source: by Destructive Mechanic at FSB http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183531

[Alvin in AZ]

Originally Posted by AZ_BRONCO

...want to install a universal in dash ignition switch to see if I can get this thing running.
What wires do I need to look for and what goes where as far as wiring up one of these
universal ignition switches.

Cool, go for it, you'll like it. :)

For the detractors...
Talked to a guy that'd been convicted of grand theft auto and he said:
"no one will want mess around trying to steal a vehicle that's had the
ignition system changed around, they already have a plan worked out
and don't want to take the time to figure out any 'monkeyedwithshit'"

My Bronco looked safe to him, it looked plenty "monkeyed with". LOL :)
-but!- my Bronco looks junky (and I want it that way).

Anything can get stolen and I've known where a couple old VWs got stolen
and never seen again that it was obvious as anything the owner/builder
was being watched and when they got the sucker built up really-fancy that
they were stolen at a certain-point just as they were getting it finished up.
That was in Sacramento.

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There were some bigger wires running to the column mounted ignition
switch on my '91 Bronco than ran to the dash mounted switch I had in
hand, so I didn't chance it and bought some relays to carry the current.

For the most part, my dash ignition switch just operates those relays.

I open the ground side of those relays with a kill switch.

A kill switch kept my '75 F150 from being stolen at-least-twice.
But it's wired to open the main power wire coming into the cab.
Found out the crazy truck could be run with the dome light on! LOL :)
I fiNgured out a way around that and it was done.

One thing about automotive wiring... it ain't straight forward, it's been
"stream lined" to the max. If they could save running a wire they did it.

Also somewhere during the life of this vehicle, the starter {relay;} on the firewall
went missing. I have a replacement and was wondering if anyone had a schematic,
diagram or picture of how the solenoid is wired. {cool wiring diagram Miesk:}

Before you get carried away with that, what type starter's it got?

This type of starter that needs a relay...
http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/file12/starters351w.jpg
...or this type...
http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/file12/starterDelco.jpg
....that's got a starter solenoid mounted on it so no-need for a relay.

Alvin in AZ

[AZ_BRONCO]

I just reread my post about the solenoid and see that I said the solenoid was mounted on the fire wall...I meant fenderwell near the battery. Mine is like the first pic that was posted.As far a someone stealing it...no worries...its easy enough to pop the dizzy cap and pull the rotor. Won't take up much room in my pocket...

[JKossarides]

Doesn't the key cylinder "pop out", from the metal column collar, mine does....?

There a slot just below it and with the key in RUN, engine off using a sharp tool push up hard and the whole thing comes out..check out this thread for reference maybe it will help give you some idea... http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/...ad.php?t=70454

Buy a Motorcraft or Bosch "starter relay" for the right inside fender mount along with new battery cables AND put an 850CAA battery on your wish list, the BKO will thank you everyday.....

www.broncolinks.com should have diagrams you need to hook up correctly....

Good Luck ~

[Alvin in AZ]

Originally Posted by AZ_BRONCO

I just reread my post about the solenoid and see that I said the solenoid
was mounted on the fire wall...I meant fenderwell near the battery.

Calling the starter relay mounted inside fender or firewall a "stater solenoid"
is a "Chevy thing" seems to me, because they never used a starter-relay, I
ever heard of. But heard -plenty- about the starter-solenoids on all other
vehicles besides Fords.

Hmmm... never -heard- anything good about starter solenoids now that I
think about it... it either works or it gets bad-mouthed, I guess? LOL :)

Mine is like the first pic that was posted.

Cool, it's "original" then. :)

The big positive battery wire can't go straight to this type of starter because
it'd run full-blast all the time, it needs a starter relay...

...so what's keeping yours from running all the time? Your positive battery
cable just hanging there and not connected to anything right now? :)

Alvin in AZ

[96EB5.8]

if you look at your column under the dash the ign switch[electrical part] is a white rectangular box with a large connector and some large wires. test it to find what wires are power and what are going out with the key in different positions[i know no key but just move the rod part you will figure it out] you can then figure how to wire it up. you could use a few toggles for acc and run and a momentary on switch for the starter and or some keyed switched set up. make sure to use swithces rated for the loads.

[AZ_BRONCO]

Heres what I am dealing with as far as the column and where the ignition cylinder is "Supposed" to go.

Based on what can be seen...is this saveable by putting in a new lock cylinder or should I opt to go for wiring in a switch and starter button?

[j. r. Nice]

You have several choices......
1) replace the column
2) replace just the collar that's destroyed (and any internal parts)
3) other.

Funny, when you suggest calling a locksmith, most people don't want to spend the money. So, this is what you end up with .....a f' up column.

[JKossarides]

Go to the JY or Broncograveyard and find another column collar, you'll have to tear down the steering column a bit and remove some parts inside the collar but NBD.... what's the most it can cost, cheaper then replacing the entire column no?


Good Luck ~

[Alvin in AZ]

Originally Posted by j. r. Nice

Funny, when you suggest calling a locksmith, most people don't want to
spend the money. So, this is what you end up with .....a f' up column.

Here now. :/

You have no idea what really happened there.
The damage might have started with a thief.

Might have been a-problem-over-looked because of the lack of money/job.
And/or might have been away from any sort of help when it finally failed.
Hard to image that last one for people in the rust-belt where it's crowded? ;)

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All I know is this is what I started with (sissyassedbrokentiltcrap!;)...


Got the column from the manual truck ('90 F250) and it had that stinkin'
button you gotta push to take the key out! :(

Who comes up with this stuff? LOL :)

I can kill my old pickup (and my Bronco too now) and come rolling to
a stop where "border guards" and/or other fellow citizens are standing
around. I come rolling up nice and quiet for 'em. YMMV on that desire?

"did it die? :)" -Border Pee-Troll guy asks that sometimes

AZ, you can remove that "key cylinder hood/boss/bump" thing with a
hoof rasp, it's just sorry old cast zinc (the blue color in both our pics
is a dead-give-away for zinc)...

I've got a cool looking thin black hard plastic piece of tubing to slip
over the column, just hadn't got around to finishing it yet.

That '91 Bronco is the newest vehicle I'll ever own!
No air bags for this guy... Thank you very much. x]

I got a lap belt that holds my butt in the seat like my old pickup's belt
does. The shoulder strap is of no use to me until after I wreck. The seat
belt holding my butt in the seat has proved itself (more than once!) to
prevent the accident to start with. No kidding on that one.

Besides the seat belt makes my back feel better on a long trip too. :)
So it's a safety double-whammy...

"driver fatigue is the number one killer in the country" -gov't back when

Alvin in AZ

[j. r. Nice]

Here ya go.......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Ford-80-...sories&vxp=mtr

[JKossarides]

Great pics and find, the 3rd picture shows the inside compartment for the "lower actuator" that mates with the "brass drive gear" inside which isn't shown in bronco boys 1985 actuator post but it loops on the upper ignition actuator...NBD....just know that it's there and it only slides out forward.


Good Luck ~

[AZ_BRONCO]

So today I went to a pick a part yard and pulled the collar off a floor shifted, manual tranny 82 F-150, non tilt column. The steering wheel was already off. Had to work a bit to get the snap ring holding it to the shaft off. Then I had to lower the column to get the rod out of the electrical portion of the switch. At least I know somewhat how this comes apart now.

Now the million dollar question...did I get the right one? Even if I didn't...it only set me back $7.50

Heres some pics...

[AZ_BRONCO]

Well today I dug in to replace the collar.Looked WAY WAY more complicated than it really is. Was a total cinch. I'd be willing to open a business replacing these collars if I could...that's really odd for me to say as I HATE working on other peoples stuff. I have full confidence doing these, however...tilt column or automatic...well I can't say I'd be comfortable doing those as I've never done one. I'd do the one like mine all day long...its easy, just don't over think things.