Is this my starter going out?

FSB BOSS · 01-06-2013, 08:26 AM

hey guys, back again. Karmas acting up on me. Specs: 84 xlt - 302 - auto.
Whenever the truck gets warmed up lets say there is a 3 to 4 out of 10 chance that it has a very hard startup - as if it has a DEAD battery. Sounds like " waaamp - waaamp- waaaamp - now it especially does it after long drives but when cool starts up fine. any clues?

Kingfish999 · 01-06-2013, 08:47 AM

probably. mine would do that alot when hot and left me stuck at a gas station for a few hours till it cooled enough to start again. a new starter completly fixed the issue. also check your ground and battery connections. if the part store checks the starter and it checks good, replace it anywyas

**sackman9975** · 01-06-2013, 08:48 AM

Clean all connections, battery posts, and replace any cables that look corroded/green.

FSB BOSS · 01-06-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingfish999

probably. mine would do that alot when hot and left me stuck at a gas station for a few hours till it cooled enough to start again. a new starter completly fixed the issue. also check your ground and battery connections. if the part store checks the starter and it checks good, replace it anywyas

Can they check it while still on the truck.

Kingfish999 · 01-06-2013, 09:13 AM

well usually when you go there to get a new starter they will test the old one on a machine to see if its actually bad or not. but as you see it works when cold and not when hot so testing it on a machine wount prove anything. i hate when parts stores test starters or alternators cause i know for a fact there bad but there machines test it good. ill have them tested 5 or more times till it eventually passes as good. the last starter i tested didnt even budge and somehow tested good

**sackman9975** · 01-06-2013, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sackman9975

Clean all connections, battery posts, and replace any cables that look corroded/green.

Do this before replacing your starter

**mickaila** · 01-06-2013, 10:06 AM

heat soak.
do you have headers?

convcit · 01-06-2013, 10:17 AM

I had the same issue. I replaced the starter thinking since it was the origanal from 84. nope didnt fixed it, replaced the starter solenoid relay and that helped but didnt fixed it completely... replaced the positive cable from battery to starter solenois relay and taadaaaa...

Kingfish999 · 01-06-2013, 10:21 AM

o and if you do get a new starter, you might wanna go to PMGR starter. requires alittle bit more effort but its well worth it. they used the PMGR on later model engines so ask for a starter for a 95.

http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/blog.php?b=715

FSB BOSS · 01-06-2013, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickaila

heat soak.
do you have headers?

No just straight pipes. No corroded wires. Everything looks fine

**sackman9975** · 01-06-2013, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by convcit

I had the same issue. I replaced the starter thinking since it was the origanal from 84. nope didnt fixed it, replaced the starter solenoid relay and that helped but didnt fixed it completely... replaced the positive cable from battery to starter relay and taadaaaa...

From my experience (which ain't much lol), it's usually a cable issue as noted above.......

Dirty connections are usually to blame. Without undoing them and cleaning them, they may look ok, but did you take upon the necessary measures to make SURE they are ok and clean?

***jopes*** · 01-06-2013, 02:02 PM

load test the battery.

and if the cables are factory they could be bad

KennyW1983 · 01-06-2013, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sackman9975

Clean all connections, battery posts, and replace any cables that look corroded/green.

Try this first. But it could be a weak battery or a weak starter. I have gone through 3 of them (starters) in the 10 years I have had my Bronco.

Jon722 · 01-06-2013, 05:15 PM

I would say check your starter relay and your positive wire to your starter. This happened to me in my 92 a couple years back. Fix the small stuff before you spend a hundred bucks on a starter

FSB BOSS · 01-06-2013, 07:11 PM

hate to sound like a d/a but wheres the starter relay?

FSB BOSS · 01-06-2013, 07:12 PM

So do you all think this is a minor eletrical issue and not my engine?

**mickaila** · 01-06-2013, 07:39 PM

not engine/
either wiring, battery, or starter.
IMO, heat soak.
but the others are very easy to check/ clean first.

and if you come to the conclusion of heat soak, a mini torque/ PMGR did it for me.. and a heat wrap on headers and heat wrap on starter. maybe overkill, but working so far.

convcit · 01-29-2013, 08:21 PM

im hoping you got this fixed by now but in case you havent.... its on the passengerside fenderwell... just follow the red cable....

Jon722 · 02-12-2013, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by convcit

im hoping you got this fixed by now but in case you havent.... its on the passengerside fenderwell... just follow the red cable....

LOL. Check the "s" terminal on the relay. Thats the one that always gives me trouble. I have to go out there and give it a wiggle every now and then when she won't start..... lol yeaaa buddy

01-06-2013, 08:26 AM	#1
FSB BOSS Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 107 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: 1985 F-150 4x4 - 351w, 33's	Is this my starter going out? hey guys, back again. Karmas acting up on me. Specs: 84 xlt - 302 - auto. Whenever the truck gets warmed up lets say there is a 3 to 4 out of 10 chance that it has a very hard startup - as if it has a DEAD battery. Sounds like " waaamp - waaamp- waaaamp - now it especially does it after long drives but when cool starts up fine. any clues?

01-06-2013, 08:47 AM	#2
Kingfish999 Nothing beets a Fullsize Join Date: May 2010 Location: Palm Harbor FL Posts: 2,583 iTrader: (10) Bronco Info: 96 Bronco 5.0, 88 Bronco 5.8	probably. mine would do that alot when hot and left me stuck at a gas station for a few hours till it cooled enough to start again. a new starter completly fixed the issue. also check your ground and battery connections. if the part store checks the starter and it checks good, replace it anywyas __________________ ---96 Eddie Bauer 302-----------88 XLT 351 Carb------ -----E4OD 1356 4.10-------------C6 1356 3.55-------- ---8-lug TTB/D60 Rear--------------TTB/8.8----------- --Daily Driver/Prerunner---------Mudder/Submarine-----

01-06-2013, 08:48 AM	#3
sackman9975 ~~~~~~~ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Livonia Michigan Posts: 5,966 iTrader: (41) Bronco Info: 1995 Eddie Bauer 357w, E303 cam on S/D, Warn premium hubs, 3 inch exhaust with flowmaster 40	Clean all connections, battery posts, and replace any cables that look corroded/green. __________________ *~ Scott* ~ ~ Ford's, please bring back the Bronco!! ~ ~ My Exhaust clip on YouTube ~ 203k on the odometer and no longer a daily driver.** ~ ~ Bronco owner/Driver/Mechanic/Enthusiast for 21 years ~

01-06-2013, 09:13 AM	#5
Kingfish999 Nothing beets a Fullsize Join Date: May 2010 Location: Palm Harbor FL Posts: 2,583 iTrader: (10) Bronco Info: 96 Bronco 5.0, 88 Bronco 5.8	well usually when you go there to get a new starter they will test the old one on a machine to see if its actually bad or not. but as you see it works when cold and not when hot so testing it on a machine wount prove anything. i hate when parts stores test starters or alternators cause i know for a fact there bad but there machines test it good. ill have them tested 5 or more times till it eventually passes as good. the last starter i tested didnt even budge and somehow tested good __________________ ---96 Eddie Bauer 302-----------88 XLT 351 Carb------ -----E4OD 1356 4.10-------------C6 1356 3.55-------- ---8-lug TTB/D60 Rear--------------TTB/8.8----------- --Daily Driver/Prerunner---------Mudder/Submarine-----

01-06-2013, 10:17 AM	#8
convcit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Spring/Klein TX Posts: 314 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: 1984 with a 351W, HEI Dist, Hedman headers, Holly carb, C6, 3in suspension lift, 33'in Sport Kings	I had the same issue. I replaced the starter thinking since it was the origanal from 84. nope didnt fixed it, replaced the starter solenoid relay and that helped but didnt fixed it completely... replaced the positive cable from battery to starter solenois relay and taadaaaa... __________________ When in doubt... use more duct tape... 1984 with a ecently rebuilt 351W, comp. cam, Holly carb and intake, 3in suspension lift, sitting on 33 's

01-06-2013, 10:21 AM	#9
Kingfish999 Nothing beets a Fullsize Join Date: May 2010 Location: Palm Harbor FL Posts: 2,583 iTrader: (10) Bronco Info: 96 Bronco 5.0, 88 Bronco 5.8	o and if you do get a new starter, you might wanna go to PMGR starter. requires alittle bit more effort but its well worth it. they used the PMGR on later model engines so ask for a starter for a 95. http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/blog.php?b=715 __________________ ---96 Eddie Bauer 302-----------88 XLT 351 Carb------ -----E4OD 1356 4.10-------------C6 1356 3.55-------- ---8-lug TTB/D60 Rear--------------TTB/8.8----------- --Daily Driver/Prerunner---------Mudder/Submarine-----

01-06-2013, 02:02 PM	#12
*jopes* gone fish'n Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Maggie's Nipples, Wyoming Posts: 20,281 iTrader: (4) Bronco Info: pile of parts	load test the battery. and if the cables are factory they could be bad __________________ '01 F250, 444ci of straight piped oil burning fun. 4x4, 6 spd, GTP38R noise maker, Stage 2 injektorz. Lotsa fun! Let's Go Fishing.

01-06-2013, 05:15 PM	#14
Jon722 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 185 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: 1995 Bronco, 351w, 5.8L K&N intake, Flowmaster Dual Exhaust coming out the back,	I would say check your starter relay and your positive wire to your starter. This happened to me in my 92 a couple years back. Fix the small stuff before you spend a hundred bucks on a starter __________________ YOU CHOSE TO LIVE ON YOUR KNEES, I'D RATHER DIE ON MY FEET!

01-06-2013, 07:11 PM	#15
FSB BOSS Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 107 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: 1985 F-150 4x4 - 351w, 33's	hate to sound like a d/a but wheres the starter relay?

01-06-2013, 07:12 PM	#16
FSB BOSS Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 107 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: 1985 F-150 4x4 - 351w, 33's	So do you all think this is a minor eletrical issue and not my engine?

01-29-2013, 08:21 PM	#18
convcit Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Spring/Klein TX Posts: 314 iTrader: (0) Bronco Info: 1984 with a 351W, HEI Dist, Hedman headers, Holly carb, C6, 3in suspension lift, 33'in Sport Kings	im hoping you got this fixed by now but in case you havent.... its on the passengerside fenderwell... just follow the red cable.... __________________ When in doubt... use more duct tape... 1984 with a ecently rebuilt 351W, comp. cam, Holly carb and intake, 3in suspension lift, sitting on 33 's

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