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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Boynton beach Florida
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possiable tranny problem
I've been trying to find an answer to this to figure why my 94 with a 302 and e40D is acting this way.
From a dead stop if i try to accelerate at a normal speed the truck starts to go but at around 5mph the motor keeps revving but the truck does nothing then it jolts forward and then does this again around 15mph but once its past 25mph it doesn't do it anymore. If i baby it then it goes with no problem but its not realistic to drive like. That. My guess has been the tranny is obviously slipping but why? I thought maybe the transfer case but I've never read about similar symptoms. Please let me know any ideas you have and I'm happy to answer anything you want or med to know - Nate |
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Have you checked the fluid level yet? It's a basic step, but it wasn't mentioned.
stangmata's E4OD Diagnosis Thread has some good info that might help.
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Start out with fresh fluid. Proper diagnosis is impossible with worn-out fluid. Mercon contains a friction modifier that can get depleted without the fluid smelling burned or looking dark. Don't bother pulling the pan to change the filter, it won't be dirty inside. Follow the instructions in this link. http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/i...nsmission.html
Use the search thread function to find E4OD articles and read them. |
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I checked the fluid and it was at a pretty much full. I've also read the diagnosis and nothing really matches what my problem is. I guess I'll drain the fluid and go from there |
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I should mention our Broncos have a short piece of hose on one of the cooler lines at the radiator for the purpose of flushing the fluid. The method in the link is fast, easy, and clean...
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yo Blackbox8994,
Pull codes Try a Self Test for Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC)s by my pal, BroncoJoe19 http://broncozone.com/topic/14269-co...mode__threaded The engine temperature must be greater than 50° F for the Key On Engine Off (KOEO) Self-Test and greater than 180° F for the Key On Engine Running (KOER) Self-Test. Run it around to heat the engine up and shift thru all gears incl Reverse. Then turn off all accessories/lights, etc. Make sure A/C is off and transmission is in Park (automatic) or in Neutral for a Manual & release clutch. Do Key On Engine Off (KOEO) portion first. Look Codes up in my broncolinks.com site using the new Search function. And Post em here according to: KOEO & KOER Transmission Control Indicator Light (TCIL) Troubleshooting in 92-96; "... The flashing OD light is an indication of a transmission related trouble code in the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). When it has a trouble code related to the transmission it usually commands full line pressure to try to protect the transmission from damage. Normally this is caused by a transmission slip code. Is it Flashing?
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Blackbox, test your throttle position sensor. This will cause your trans not to shift until highter RPM's if it's giving off wide open throttle signals.
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I would check fuel pressure and voltage as well. |
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Update : I had checked the fluid level and it was barely under full so i topped it off anyways since it couldnt hurt but that didnt do much.
I pulled codes on two different scanners and i got nothing relevant to the things you guys have brought up. i have a code for the egr which i knew since it was deleted and i have a code for my shifter linkage not being able to read park. I know your thinking isnt that a reason it wouldnt run right but its been that way since i got it and it hasnt caused any problems from what i know. the problem with that is the linkage on the column is worn so everything is up one ( ex reverse is p , netual is r, Drive is n, and 1 is d). My guess is the tps maybe? |
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yo, What were the Codes?
need them to do pin-point tests and also go Diagnosis by Symptom - this is by Ford for a 96, but similar to your 94 exc for OBD II references and for Transmission Range (TR) sensor, that is also ref to as the Manual Lever Position (MLPS) Engagement Concern: Delayed/Soft Forward and Reverse Possible Component Reference/Action 209 — ELECTRICAL ROUTINE No Electrical Concerns 309 — HYDRAULIC/MECHANICAL ROUTINE Shift Linkage or Cable Damaged, misadjusted Inspect and service as required. Verify linkage adjustment as outlined. After servicing linkage, verify that the Transmission Range (TR) sensor is properly adjusted. Refer to In-Vehicle Service in this section. Fluid Improper level. Adjust to proper level. Improper Pressures Low line pressure Check pressure at line tap. Refer to Pressure Chart No. 401 for specification. If low check the following components: pump inlet filter/seal assembly, main control, pump assembly. Filter Assembly and Seal Plugged, damaged Inspect filter assembly and seal for damage. Service as required. Seal damaged, cut Main Controls Bolts not tightened to specification Retighten bolts to specification. Gaskets damaged Inspect for damage and replace. Springs — stuck, damaged, missing, misassembled Inspect for damage. Service as required. Torque Converter Drainback (Initial Engagement Only) Refer to Torque Converter Drainback Test procedures in this section for diagnosis. Manual Lever Position Sensor (MLPS) Adjustment Info; "...back-probe the MLP line with a volt meter while in Park, and set it to between 4.277 and 4.736 volts (ideally at 4.5065V, right in the middle of the two limits). As a "double-check" afterward, pull the lever down to 1st gear, and again test the MLP voltage; it should be between 0.293 and 1.167 volts, ideally in the middle at 0.73V..."; Located on driver's side of transmission Source: by SigEpBlue (Steve) at FSB http://fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40055 Manual Lever Position Sensor (MLPS) Pinpoint Test w/Connector Pin-Out Diagram Source: by SeattleFSB (Seattle FSB) at SuperMotors.net http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/863652 Shift Cable Adjustment & Indicator Cable Adjustment in 92-96 Source: by Steve83 (Steve, That dirty old truck) at SuperMotors.net http://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/434182 more E4OD Links in my site @ http://www.broncolinks.com/index.php?index=63
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This is the key to your problem, IMO.
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Could easily be a MLPS issue. You need to post the codes to be sure, but its a cheap and easy fix (<$50). See this thread for replacement procedure. http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/...d.php?t=191742
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