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Old 01-29-2013, 02:41 PM   #1
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Need advice/opinions

I'm at a crossroads. To sell or keep my head down and charge through.

The truck had WAY more issues than what I thought it had originally. I've gotten most of them worked out, but the body is 4 different colors (though rust isn't really a problem) and the interior is gonna need some major attention.

I just had the transmission rebuilt and it is nothing short of awesome.

The mains are now going out. This is my biggest concern.

I could do an AutoZone special and do a replacement for ~$2000 by the time I change the cam that comes in it and a few other things. I've heard/read some bad things about the long blocks from them.

I can get a crate 408 long block from Summit (with free shipping and a warranty) for $3300. This is a flat tappet, iron headed engine from BluePrint Engines.

I can get a DIY kit from Woody at FordStrokers for a little over $4500 (I still have to get cam, lifters and pushrods). This engine would be an aluminum headed roller motor and, from what I understand, one of the best people to deal with when it comes to quality.

So, do I sell and take my losses? Do I take a chance with the AZ long block? Do I go middle of the road and tip my hat to BluePrint? Do I go all out and get the best I can from Woody?

If I keep it, it will be here for the long haul and won't get sold (I'll have too much in to it). It will be a daily driver, so dependability and longevity is job #1.

Sorry for the long post, but I just can't seem to make a decision on this one
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:59 PM   #2
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I would say that a major factor is the condition of the existing Bronco and Drivetrain. Investing a lot into the engine will cost more that you can currently see, such as drivetrain enhancements for a Stroker engine. For simple cost effective dependability, I would look at the AutoZone Special or similar.
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Aside from the body looking like a rainbow, the body is 99% rust free. The transmission was just rebuilt with many upgrades inside, so I have no doubt the tranny is up to the task. U-joints etc......I couldn't tell you. This truck will not see heavy abuse, burnout contests, pulling contests etc., so I really don't see problems there, but you never know.
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Is it your daily driver now, do you have something else to drive to work/school? Do you have the thousands to dump into it right now?

Unless it has sentiental value, I'd find another base to start with. But rather than sell what you have, part it out and keep the goodies (fresh trans) for the next one.

These things aren't worth very much even with a fresh drivetrain and clean body. Find a clean runner and build your 408 stroker as time and funds allow.


If you're kicking around dropping 5G's into the motor, you can find you a mighty clean 80-86 for that kind of money.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:09 PM   #5
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I do have another car to drive, so having it down isn't a problem. I've got the money to throw at the engine, so that isn't a problem.

When I bought it, I knew body work and interior work were in store, the engine and tranny were just little surprises that popped up.

The thing is, no matter what I have, I always upgrade/mod/change. So even if I did get a better looking base, it would still undergo a transformation.....I think I might have just answered my question......
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If you dont have any particular attachment to the truck, Sell it and find something in better condition. Or Keep it, buy one in better condition, and use the old one for a parts truck.

Ive been struggling with this issue as well, but Ive come to the realization, that, I dont trust any work done by Previous owners. So Im just gonna do what needs to be done to the one I have, even though I could buy 3 or 4 other trucks with the money its gonna cost. Stupid, maybe, but the end product will be worth it. Besides, by then, I will know every nut, bolt, and circuit in the truck and should be able to figure anything out.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:52 PM   #7
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If you are the kind of guy who is going to put a motor in it, paint it, and redo the interior anyways, might as well keep the devil you know.

But if paint and interior are of secondary concern, I'd buy something that didn't need immediate body work.


After building and restoring my F100 over the past 11 years, I really wish I would have started with a nicer base and held out for what I really wanted (short bed, 4x4).
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Old 01-29-2013, 07:31 PM   #8
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Depends on what you want. I wouldn't touch a carbed truck with a 10 ft stick. Unless it was something I just had to have, then I would swap an efi setup into it.
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I bought a 96 that looked good but had 225k miles and a rod knock - hoping to just rebuild the motor and be happy. I realize now I will end up repainting and reupholstering seats. I say keep what you got if no rust (rust and/or damage is a deal breaker for me).

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Depends on what you want. I wouldn't touch a carbed truck with a 10 ft stick. Unless it was something I just had to have, then I would swap an efi setup into it.
Carbs are our friends

I'm just really tired of messing with injection. I've done an '01 Cobra, several trucks....too many vehicles to list honestly. On every one of those builds the question kept coming up "will it work with the computer", "can my dyno guy get everything dialed in just right", "I can't run this cam because of the computer"......

I like the K.I.S.S. ideology a lot better.

So I've decided to cut my losses and find a better start. Here's what I've found so far:

http://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/3557581633.html He failed to list a price and hasn't returned text, so that one may be unobtainable

http://tricities.craigslist.org/cto/3529743885.html Supposed to look at this one today. Said he would take $2k

http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/3575636059.html Having a transmission shop in the family is really starting to pay off

Of the EFI trucks listed, they will be converted to the dark side, so whatever I end up with, if anyone needs the harness, intake etc. I'll have a complete setup for sale.
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The 94 looks good (in the picture anyway), but I always liked the big ole 460's (got a couple stashed in the back of the shop just in case :)

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plan on keeping it if you convert it to carb, because it won't sell unless it's dirt cheap. I see them all the time on cl and i bet they end up scrapped.
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plan on keeping it if you convert it to carb, because it won't sell unless it's dirt cheap. I see them all the time on cl and i bet they end up scrapped.
This.

Plus it will be impossible to sell in any area that performs emissions testing since it will always fail.
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j. r. Nice wrote on 5 MAY 2012, Ford crate 5.0 H.O was about $1900. My local rebuild on my 5.8 was about $2300.

radiolotek wrote on 19 May 2012, $2300. For a complete assembly (1995 5.8)
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Plus it will be impossible to sell in any area that performs emissions testing since it will always fail.
No emissions for me . Whatever I get, I plan on keeping.

Ford DD duty, I'm leaning toward the '87 and I'm going to look at it today. Now I just have to find out how hard it is to put a c6 in place of the AOD.
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No emissions for me . Whatever I get, I plan on keeping.

Ford DD duty, I'm leaning toward the '87 and I'm going to look at it today. Now I just have to find out how hard it is to put a c6 in place of the AOD.
if you are going to frankenstein whatever bronco you get, why not just keep what you have and mod away?
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