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The Rig f-350 sleeper cab build

Starting to work on the rig so figured this thing was worthy of a build thread.
Couple months ago i saw this for sale on facebook for 1000. pretty much all it said was doesnt run if it doesnt sell will be scrapped. wasnt sure about it, didnt really need any more projects. but i just kept thinking about it and i found a older ad saying it had a gear vendors and a turbo. those alown are worth the asking price so i called him to go take a look later that day.
so he paid 8000 for it last year but it was to long and couldnt turn around in his yard. so he sold it to a "mechanic" friend. that guy was making payments the past year and recently the dash caught fire so he dropped it back in this guys yard and said he doesnt want it any more. so the guy i got it from just wanted it gone, thats why it was cheap.
the "mechanic" owner did a couple things to it while he owned it. he hit something on pass side destroying the door and glass, and damaged the fiberglass cab and front fender flare. He unbolt the driver seat because i guess it wouldnt go far enough back. pulled the dash apart to figure out the fire. He also tried to find a oil leak so he pulled the air filter box out and was running it like that. if your familiar with idis you would know how bad of a idea that is for a couple reasons, first being the ats85 turbo isnt exactly easy to find parts when it sucks somthing in. But the crd vents into the air box, so without the air box it was venting into the hood... idis have a huge ring gap. so by doing that everything was covered in oil.
I asked if i could try to start it, he said it wont run but i could try. 12v to the fss, remote start and it fired up within a couple seconds. so i took it for a test drive and it felt good enough to drive home. it did a hour and half drive home doing 80mph. i parked it and thats where its been sitting.
I got it for 900. its based off of a 84 f350. built buy sellers manufacturing, its a pretty rare conversion. it has a 6.9 idi with a ats 85 turbo. 4 speed manual with gear vendor over drive.

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i originally thought it was the aftermarket wiring that caught fire, becuase it is awful, but it wasnt. it was the factory fuse box. but like half the factory wiring had scotchclamps or other splices to them so it could have been the aftermarket wiring that caused it. they had the cab marker lights on a toggle switch....
i forgot to to take before pictures so i already pressure washed some of the oil, changed the door and reinstalled the air box.
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all the wires are stipped and im getting a new factory harness tomorrow. going to redo all the other wires the right way.

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Theres more to this truck then just that. this truck has a history. so back in the 80s when it was new, it pulled one of the Ferrari race team trailers.

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some pictures from before it was "restored". the po said he emailed Ferrari with the vin and they email back really excited about this truck and sent him old pictures. he cant find them so i have been meaning to email ferrari to see if i can get them.

my plan for this truck is to start by just cleaning it up and just making it reliable. it trans will need syncros, and i would prefer a 93 or 94 idi instead of that one. then I plan on selling that bed and making the truck even longer. i want to extend the frame a couple feet and build a 14' or 16' wedge bed. i think this truck would look awesome as a ramp truck with my dentside bronco on the ramp while pulling a friends dent bronco behind on a trailer.
he paid 8,000 last year, i think it cleaned up and as a ramp truck it will be worth more. i think this would be the prefect truck for off road events or to put your race car on the back for races.
definitely not going to be a fast moving project. its probably on the bottom of my list. but should be a good one

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That fuse box certainly bought the farm. Good on you that you're getting a replacement harness. That'll give you a chance to take all the aftermarket circuits, run them through an aftermarket fuse block or two, and perhaps rig the higher-amperage ones to be relay-controlled, giving them their own stand-alone fuse holders.

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I cant say i know what im doing lol. Going to figure it out as i go
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very cool! My wife hates that look, there was a mid 70's crew cab 2wd on CL a while back that had a 14' wedge bed. I really dug it but, she didn't see it like I did. They wanted 3,500 for it I think.

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I might suggest looking for a scrap RV that year range for a stretched frame not to mention would provide you w/ some spare parts.

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Round here that's known as a Western Hauler. Good looking rig! Is that really a turbo 6.9?

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I've worked on two van-based ones, made for fifth-wheel trailer hauling as a package: one a '76 or '77 Dodge 350 cab with extra sleeper bed like this Ford, and the other was an '86-'89 Econoline 350, but no extra sleeper bed.

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drove about a hour north to pull a harness from a parts truck. the new harness appeared in much better shape. there were a couple bad wires that were visible but figured we can replace the bad ones. once we got it home and started replacing the bad wires we found all the wires were cut and attached with butt connectors in the middle, and the passenger side had different plugs. so cut the passenger side off the original harness and soldered it to the new one. definitely would prefer a new harness but they are just to expensive. so this one should work fine
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Holy spaghetti batman! That's quite the daunting task

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I'm floored that someone butt-connected an entire harness. For a quick temporary repair, sure, but something 'permanent?' I bet some of them could've been pulled apart with no effort.

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I'm floored that someone butt-connected an entire harness. For a quick temporary repair, sure, but something 'permanent?' I bet some of them could've been pulled apart with no effort.
some of them were already pulled apart lol.
I do use alot off crimp connectors, as i am a marine mechanic. soldering wires isnt acceptable for marine wiring. the only way to do it is with heat shrink crimp connectors. but those are really expensive compared to non heat shrink ones. those are ususally what i use on my truck but i figured these needed to be soldered.

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What I've found, from a marine mechanic, is to either get just the metal crimp sleeves, then use HD shrink tubing, or use a hot glue gun to seal both ends of a standard crimp sleeve. Those heat shrink crimp connectors will eventually come down in price, provided we start using them more, and actually stating to them we'd be buying even more of them, if the per-unit prices came down considerably, and bulk weren't in the hundred-count range.
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What I've found, from a marine mechanic, is to either get just the metal crimp sleeves, then use HD shrink tubing, or use a hot glue gun to seal both ends of a standard crimp sleeve. Those heat shrink crimp connectors will eventually come down in price, provided we start using them more, and actually stating to them we'd be buying even more of them, if the per-unit prices came down considerably, and bulk weren't in the hundred-count range.
the company i work for has a pretty big account with west marine. the 100 pack of blue heat shrink butt connectors is usually 79$ i get them for i believe 30$

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If I was doing someone's rig and they didn't care about materials cost, I could go for 30 cents apiece my price, and still be able to charge the customer a fair piece under a dollar. But there's still room to drop those prices.
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ended up getting a different harness. its all together except for the passenger side. not sure which relay or which side these go to. looking for pictures or diagrams. my 92 only has one relay, but i guess the older idis had 2

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ALL those rings attach to the starter solenoid (battery side) on a standard Ford rig, but I don't know how 'standard' this one is. So if you do have a fender-mounted solenoid, those rings attach to the post that the battery positive attaches to. Then, look for the red with blue stripe wire and 90* connector--that's the solenoid trigger wire. Does the engine have an older-style Ford starter, or a newer PMGR (permanent magnet gear reduction) starter?

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ALL those rings attach to the starter solenoid (battery side) on a standard Ford rig, but I don't know how 'standard' this one is. So if you do have a fender-mounted solenoid, those rings attach to the post that the battery positive attaches to. Then, look for the red with blue stripe wire and 90* connector--that's the solenoid trigger wire. Does the engine have an older-style Ford starter, or a newer PMGR (permanent magnet gear reduction) starter?
thats what i thought. but it has 2 solenoid. i thought at first the 2nd was aftermarket. but ive read the early idis have a solenoid on the passenger side for the glow plugs. the newer one like my 92 have it build into the controller on the engine. so not sure which should be which. ones a 4 pin one 3. pretty sure i was using the 4 pin when i was jumping the solenoid. i havnt got as far as the starter though. i know they are both wired different though.

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Yeah, the 6.9's and glow-plug-equipped 7.3's have two solenoids, one is for glow plugs, but what I can't remember is what type of starter those diesels used. Anyway, that four-pin is the older style for gas engines with point-condenser ignition, although i can't remember if the glow plug system used the 'I' terminal for anything. You might get lucky if you have a heavy-gauge cable from one solenoid to the starter, otherwise, you'll have to trace it down.

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