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powerstroke shopping

Just asking some opinions. I am really tired of my 1998 dodge Ram 1500 with 5.9, sucks for towing, mileage, and power. i have a few options right now on pickups i have been test driving. I refuse to buy a 6.0 powerstroke and have a good relationship with the ford dealership here.

One i test drove but couldn't quite afford was a 2006 F250 extended cab XLT with 1400 miles and the new V10 with tow command for $29,950. the improvements made on the V10 are amazing the gas mileage was a lot better than the older ones and you could feel the 362 hp and 457 ft lb torque. All together i wish i could afford it.

the next one was a 2000 F350 crew cab long box lariat with 114,000 miles and the 7.3 powerstroke, had leather and was loaded and was in mint condition, and new injectors for 21,960 they offered $5000 for my trade.

Next one was a 2002 F350 crew cab long box XLT with 133,000 miles and the 7.3 powerstroke, grille gaurd and most accesories for 19,990 and they offered $3500 for my trade so that it worked out about the same as the last offer.

The last truck i looked at was over at dodge and it was a 2005 dodge ram 2500 QUAD CAB short box 4X4 cummins for $20,995 with 91,184 miles also a very nice truck and the cummins is a very powerful reliable engine. Didn't talk to them about my trade though.

i have always been kinda partial to the cummins engine but don't really like the truck itself. I really loved the way the powerstrokes drove very comfortable and powerful not as rough as the dodge. the crew cab long box fords handled great in town and i couldn't hardly hear a sound outside the cab. truck felt very huge but handle amazingly well. what do you guys think?

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Lots of guys buy the cummins and get a Dodge for free because thats who they are...

I love my Dads 2004 superduty powerstroke, beast when driving it and that interior is amazing...

I thought in 2002 they went to the 6.0 was I wrong? And I would also check to make sure its the Newer transmission if automatic.. the weak points in the 99s is the tranny so I dont know what year they changed.
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they went to the 6.0 in 2003 and i am not really sure about the transmissions in them, haven't had a lot of expereince with them. and a truck like this should last me a long time because i don't haul stuff very often at all. The big reason i want a bigger truck is because when i do haul it is a big load and usually a long ways when i do.

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The pos trannies are what kill all the joy in a 7.3. My 2002's tranny is worse than the E4OD ever was in the Bronco.

Rufusing the 6.0 just because you have heard internet trash-talk is, forgive me, stupid. My Uncle's 05 that sees lots of farm time has had ZERO problems; it has been subjected to mud, towing well over 14k lbs, tons of full-throttle time, etc.

They switched to the 6.0 in 04, but you could still get a 7.3 in that year.

The transmission behind the 6.0 is worth the price ofthe truck alone. It is soooo much better than the crappy 4spd in the 02 it is unreal.

The v10 is really a waste of time. When you hitch something heavy on, you'll wish you sprung for a diesel.

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I'll say this about the 02, it can do everything the 05 can. Mind you the 05 is superior in almost every way (except looks and sound, and thsoe are just my opinions) in my experience.

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Can anyone tell me the difference between an E4OD and a 4R100?

I think I remember reading that the "break-in" for the 7.3's was over 100k.

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i'm in the market for a stuperduty too. been pricing them, and folks are smoking crack. i can find a dodge same year, milage and options for far less than the fords.

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The pos trannies are what kill all the joy in a 7.3. My 2002's tranny is worse than the E4OD ever was in the Bronco.
They are not that bad....maintance is key here! just like the E4OD. Its not torqshift like the 6.0 but its not a pos either

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Rufusing the 6.0 just because you have heard internet trash-talk is, forgive me, stupid. My Uncle's 05 that sees lots of farm time has had ZERO problems; it has been subjected to mud, towing well over 14k lbs, tons of full-throttle time, etc.
something like 80% of 6.0s never see the dealer. they have most of there issues ironed out. try and get the newest one possible. 06-07s

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They switched to the 6.0 in 04, but you could still get a 7.3 in that year.
WRONG. Its was 2003 and the 7.3 was available in the early builds, late builds had the 6.0 and had lots of issues due to first yearproduction.

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The transmission behind the 6.0 is worth the price ofthe truck alone. It is soooo much better than the crappy 4spd in the 02 it is unreal.
yes torqshifts rock!

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The v10 is really a waste of time. When you hitch something heavy on, you'll wish you sprung for a diesel.
they are great for light to moderate towing. this year theywill be running 350hp and 475ftlbs


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thanks for the input guys the reason i was turned off to the 6.0 was the fact that i do all the electrical work at the ford dealerships in town and for the longest time last summer every week that i was in there another truck was in with it cab off getting the heads gaskets changed, injectors and what have you. After seeing that i couldn't bring myself to buy one. And i wouldn't call the new v10 a waste of time with only a couple MPG less than the 5.4 and a lot more power it is definetly worth a look for people that tow only moderate loads and don't want the hassle of a desiel.

But i think i found the one i want today over at the dodge dealership. It is a white 2001 f250 crew cab short box xlt with 91,856 miles on the 7.3 it is a very sharp looking truck and drives great. they only want 19,995 might be able to talk them down some more yet though.

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Stay tuned, I will be putting together a buyers beware list, dos and donts, what to look for, etc for powerstroke. These threads are becoming all to common.[/QUOTE]



please do, please also include what you know can and cant be done as far as maintaince and repair without having to take it to a shop.
mainly refering to the statement about removing the body.

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Stay tuned, I will be putting together a buyers beware list, dos and donts, what to look for, etc for powerstroke. These threads are becoming all to common.
please do...make search sooo much easier.


The V10 for what it is, isn't bad...milage isn't terrible even loaded to GCW of 24750ish (truck and trailer) but yes, towing that much often you will wish you had the 7.3/6.0.....I did.
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Sorry about the misinformation.

On Dodges: There is a reason they are cheaper. I had an 03 for about a month before I couldn't stand it any longer... The interior was god-awful; it rattled worse than the Bronco. The tops of the doors would visibly bend in when the wind blew hard. The hemi was a failure at everything but outrunning Hondas. The fawking pedal assemby fell off once. And much, much more.

On a stupid note, the damn thing couldn't climb the 3" jump up into my garage. I have never had another vehicle that couldn't do that... Even my loaner Focus I had once could...

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any input on what you guys want to see in this write up? I plan to gather some pictures too. It might take some time to get the pictures I want up but I can pretty much sit down and write it now.

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I got the 7.3. I wanted something reliable. Seems everyone I know that has the 6.0 has some sort of problems with them. Power is awesome on the 6.0 but they have issues. The 7.3's can have problems as well but they seem to be alot easier to fix than the 6.0's

I know Dustin's gonna comment on this one.

if your serious about towing then get a manual trans. Any manual in my mind is far better for towing unless your spending $5k to have the trans rebuilt to be bullet proof.

the 7.3's can be a little sluggish off the line compared to a 6.0 but they are easily woken up.

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If you had gotten a 6.0 and the torqueshift, you would be singing a different tune jopes. That tranny is the most awesome thing ever. The 05 will not hesitate to downshift itself into the redline to help slow a big load down. It shifts hard and fast too. The 4r100 in the 02 just kinda slops around...

If you are gonna get a 7.3, shop around for a manual. If you are gonna consider the 6.0, the torqueshift is the way to go.

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the torqshift has a tow haul mode that pretty much makes it drive and shift like a manual but does it all by itself. I have seen very very little failures with this trans as well.

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i have a 2000 F350 crew cab long bed 4wd with the 7.3l power stroke.
i really like it. pulls great.


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any input on what you guys want to see in this write up? I plan to gather some pictures too. It might take some time to get the pictures I want up but I can pretty much sit down and write it now.
be shure to inculde the things to look for as far as engine oil leaks, and airbox inspections.
have seen WAY to many people buy trucks with partially dusted engines.
talk about the crappy sealing boxes with plastic center screws and weak turbo to metal peice tubes in the 94-97 truck.
the prone to cracking 99-03 air boxes also. taking a few tools and removing the pipe going into the turbo and taking a visual look at the turbo and how the fins look is the best thing you can do in my opinion to how much the engine is worn. i have had friends pass up great looking visual trucks with a bad turbo wheel when i tell them that "the turbo wheel is dusted, so the motor is also"
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If you had gotten a 6.0 and the torqueshift, you would be singing a different tune jopes. That tranny is the most awesome thing ever. The 05 will not hesitate to downshift itself into the redline to help slow a big load down. It shifts hard and fast too. The 4r100 in the 02 just kinda slops around...

If you are gonna get a 7.3, shop around for a manual. If you are gonna consider the 6.0, the torqueshift is the way to go.


I did not get the 6.0 because of the problems I had been reading about. Yes they are fast and have alot of power and the torqueshift trannys are very good.

But when it goes out it's not going to be a cheap replacement. I can replace the ZF and complete clutch in my 7.3 and have enough money left in my bank account for a spare ZF.

I really hate any automatic tranny. Manuals usually show you signs when they are getting tired. a auto can just up and die leaving you stranded, not that you can't have a catastrophic failure with a stick it is just less likely.

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I love my torque shift tranny, and like the motor when its running right. But I have been chasing down some sensor issues that cause poor reliabilty. I would love the 7.3 with the torque shift. Jopes is right on about these rigs as far as I am concerned. I wouldnt feel comfortable chipping or modding the 6.0 at all

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on chipping, etc. I wouldn't want to test my luck...

I'll concede that I have a very limited experience with the 6.0 (one truck), but it has been fantastic. I'm done bragging on it.

Another tip on Superduties: never buy one with a K&N that has seen any kind of dirt. Those things are not worth a damn in a diesel.

One thing on manual superduties: good luck finding a used one. They are really rare in my neck of the woods.

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