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BigBlue 94 07-30-2018 06:49 PM

I, like you, tend to over build things. That being said, are you sure you built it heavy enough? I think I woulda gone with a 1" bolt on the pivots, and maybe a thicker spacer.








:goodfinge

Looking pretty cool! Like owning a jackhammer or chainsaw, all that dump bed means is work haha

silent one 07-30-2018 08:54 PM

So all that holds the bed is those small brackets and bolts. What’s the dump bed rated for.

reptillikus 07-31-2018 09:39 AM

Originally the hinge has that brace that extends forward to tie into the next bed xmember. But it doesnt fit so i cut it off. once the hinges are done and the bed can be tilted up, ill build all sorts of braces under there to stiffen it up.

The kit is designed to lift 2 ton, which is more than the truck can carry. So no worries about ever overloading it :thumbup


Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBlue 94 (Post 7119092)
I, like you, tend to over build things. That being said, are you sure you built it heavy enough? I think I woulda gone with a 1" bolt on the pivots, and maybe a thicker spacer.








:goodfinge

Looking pretty cool! Like owning a jackhammer or chainsaw, all that dump bed means is work haha


Yeah i know :toothless
Their hinge is 3/8, which is why im building mine out of 3/8. But i figured out how to make mine double shear, so i probably couldve done 1/4 at that point but whatever :toothless At least this way, the hinges will outlast the rest of the truck :toothless



If all goes well, ill have one hinge done and the second mostly done, today. So maybe pics later or tomorrow, nothing worthwhile to post yet.

reptillikus 08-01-2018 08:30 AM

Made some progress yesterday!

So here's the frame side hinge installed. The plan for the bed side is to have two tabs that come down, one on each side. So i cut two tabs & when i went to put them in, i realized the inner would have to be spaced fairly far away, in order to have clearance for the nut that holds the hinge to the original bed mounting bolt.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/041.jpg

Obviously im not going to use a ton of washers, so i scrounged around the garage to try and find anything i could use, to make a spacer. I found my solution, in an old broken Dana 70 shaft!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/042.jpg

Turns out theyre only case hardened, so it was actually pretty easy to drill
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/043.jpg

Made two while i was at it, and welded one to the first hinge
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/045.jpg

The rough idea. You can see the nut for the bed bolt hidden way up there
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/046.jpg

And the finished bed-side hinge
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/048.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/049.jpg

I am intentionally leaving that heavy tab off the side for now, so i have something to add bed bracing to later on, once the bed tilts. It will most likely get trimmed down at that point.


So, i want to be able to grease this thing. But, when the bumper goes back on, the hinge will be totally hidden. So instead of adding grease fittings to the hinge, im adding them to the bolt.

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/050.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/051.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/052.jpg

Done!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/053.jpg

So of course its currently raining and looks like its gonna all day, so probably wont get anything done today at all.

reptillikus 08-01-2018 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBlue 94 (Post 7119092)
Looking pretty cool! Like owning a jackhammer or chainsaw, all that dump bed means is work haha

Quoted for truth :toothless



I already need a couple yards of stone for where i park the trucks, and ive got some low spots in the yard i need to re-grade. Plus, i have 8 black walnut trees, so every year i haul an entire truck load of walnuts out of here :crazy So having this thing done and operational for this fall is gonna save me & my back a ton of time/effort :toothless

BigBlue 94 08-01-2018 09:06 AM

Damn black walnuts... tasty, but so messy, and they drip that nasty sap on anything sitting beneath. The house I grew up in literally had about 100 of em

reptillikus 08-04-2018 12:13 PM

Ugh man i know. Grew up with a huge one in the back yard. This place we've got 8 of em, so messy. The spotted lanternflys are wreaking havoc on them though, so not sure im going to get too many nuts from them this year.




Ok, so!

This is the stock bed bolt. This is the only one that came apart, all the others got destroyed. Im not reusing them.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/054.jpg

Instead i used a small wire cup brush in a die grinder to cut a nice round hole in the bed liner. Then used said die grinder to open the hole up a bit, and slid a piece of 1" pipe down in there to beef the area up. The other side the bed is messed up, so its not nearly as clean a job.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/055.jpg

Conveniently a 3/4" SAE washer fits the hole perfectly. Currently have 3/4" bolts down thru, but i have Gr8 carriage bolts on order.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/056.jpg

Both hinges done!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/057.jpg

Had to cut off the exhaust, no chance of everything fitting under there with that massive muffler
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/058.jpg

Frame-side hinge for the hydraulic scissor
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/059.jpg

Bed-side hinge installed. Thought i had apic of it before installation but i guess not.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/060.jpg

I made sandwich plates to back up the bed xmembers so they cant crush in
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/061.jpg

The hydraulic scissor
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/062.jpg

...and installed! This was a huge PITA to do by myself
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/063.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/064.jpg

Hydraulic pump installed on frame rail
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/065.jpg

Building the wiring harness for it. Its power up, gravity down. Its a pretty simple system, and it came with plenty of wire to do the job.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/066.jpg

200a circuit breaker installed on fender. Its power source is below it; a 300a winch relay, that i use for my remote winch wiring. So, flip a switch on the dash to energize system, and then flip switch to run dump bed. This way i only have live power lines running down the frame rail when its in use.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/067.jpg

pump all wired up!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/068.jpg


Not pictured is the installed hydraulic hose. Need to figure out if i can cut it down, or make tabs to hold it up cuz its so long it lays on the driveshaft :duh

reptillikus 08-04-2018 12:24 PM

pause for dramatic effect :goodfinge



It works! :rockon
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/069.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/070.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/071.jpg


So, whats left?

  • add bracing to bed at hinges
  • remove hinges - they still need to be painted, but not until the bed bracing is done, in case im welding to them.
  • add bracing to frame at hinge for hydraulics
  • finish control wiring - right now im testing it with a switch thats attached to wires under the hood, but plan is a switch on dash + some sort of wireless control
  • new exhaust system? Dont think current exhaust will fit back in the space
  • new rear shocks on order; mine were shot
  • gas filler necks! Need to be modified so they dont need to screw into bed (gotta stand up on their own somehow)
  • rubber bumpers for bed so it doesnt rattle on frame
  • rear bumper? dunno what im gonna do here, bumper brackets or a new bumper thatll be clear of bed/tailgate when tilted??
  • relocate CB antennae
  • water-meth injection! Bet you forgot that was in the toolbox! Gotta relocate it, or rewire/replumb it.

So its in and works, but theres still lots of things to do before i can call this project complete.

reptillikus 08-14-2018 01:31 PM

Holy crap, finally an update. This weather is nuts, it has rained every single day except i think sunday; took me all day to mow the jungle that was my yard! So i have updates. I was waiting until i was done to post, since ive basically been running outside in breaks between rainstorms to get stuff done.

So for heavy use they recommend adding a brace, from the xmember the hydraulics bolt to, to the xmember under the cab to stiffen it up.

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/072.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/074.jpg

Next up is wireless control. I bought this from Harbor Freight
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/075.jpg

the case comes apart; its got a nice rubber seal in there
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/076.jpg

The guts:
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/077.jpg

Its a standard 5-pin winch connector on the end. Only uses 4 pins. Power in, ground, and 2 power out. Well, thats eay enough to wire up! Cut the end off, hardwired it to the winch solenoids, and mounted the box on the frame
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/078.jpg


The range is impressive; its like 60-70'! More than ill ever need. And since the system has a kill switch on the main power, theres no concern from a rogue signal making the bed move on its own :toothless Speaking of wiring; ive finished all of it. The winch relay has the same kill switch on the dash it always had, and i put the supplied toggle switch next to it, for a backup in case the wireless remote quits.


Also, as it would turn out, the exhaust fits! Barely, but it fits.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/080.jpg

reptillikus 08-14-2018 01:41 PM

Ok, filler necks!

Well, they bolt to the bed. But they cant since the bed moves. So Pierce Arrow wants you to build a brace and aim them both into the wheel wells to fill the tanks. Lame! So i came up with a (arguably) better solution.


Starting on the rear neck
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/081.jpg

Built this, which didnt work :toothless The fender strut hit it.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/082.jpg

Modified version:
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/083.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/084.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/085.jpg

Had to cut the hole for the filler wide open, but you cant see it with the filler door closed anyway
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/086.jpg


This actually works; the bed can go up and it holds the neck in place; when the bed comes down it guides the neck right into place :cool:


The front was much more challenging. The bed full on collides with the neck and pushes it down.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/087.jpg

So this is what i came up with
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/088.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/089.jpg

It holds the neck right where it needs to be. But, because the bed hits the neck on the way down, you have to hold the neck up and tuck it behind the fender as it comes down. Then the bracket guides the neck into place:
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/090.jpg


No way around that one, w/o cutting a notch in the bottom of the fender to clear the neck, which i think would look dumb.




Ok so then i got to looking at the bumper. Well, no chance in hell of the stock bumper going back on. The bumper has to tilt with the bed, and there is just no room with the trailer hitch there.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/092.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/093.jpg

Mockup with a pice of 2*4 to simulate a bumper:
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/094.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/095.jpg


Im going to have to build my own rear bumper, and its going to have to be small, so it clears everything. I also still need to re-do the water/meth injection & move my CB antenna, but i think that might be it!

reptillikus 08-25-2018 08:20 AM

Ok, so weve got 4 main projects left to finish this thing. Gotta solve the bumper problem, fix trailer plug wiring, rewire/plumb the water/meth injection, and relocate the CB antenna. Well, ive got 2/4 done now :thumbup

All this work on the bed; so i decided to work on the bumper.

Since its got to pivot with the bed, i started building brackets to attach to the hinges
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/096.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/097.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/098.jpg

One bracket done, shown attached to the bed-side half of one of the hinges. It attahces to the 5/8 hinge pin, plus 2 bolts up thru the hinge and into the bed. Should be sufficient.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/099.jpg

Both brackets done, + hinges finally in paint!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/100.jpg

Now to design a bumper.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/101.jpg

reptillikus 08-25-2018 10:45 AM

Bought a piece of unequal angle (3x4) from the scrap steel yard to begin mockup for a bumper
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/102.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/103.jpg

bumper brackets
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/104.jpg

So heres the rough idea
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/105.jpg

Seems awfully small, but with the bed tilted, you can see its a tight fit
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/107.jpg

No room for a license plate on the bumper
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/108.jpg

Trimming the corners
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/112.jpg

Adding a piece of 2" plate to the bottom
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/114.jpg

Now its starting to look like something
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/116.jpg

All done and ground
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/120.jpg

For lack of a better place, i put rivnuts in the tailgate, to hang the plate off it. This gate is beat up anyway, so not too upset about drilling holes in it
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/122.jpg

All done & painted!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/121.jpg

While i was waiting for it to dry, i fixed my trailer wiring. Turns out Clips & Fasteners sells replacement pins for Ford Wedgelock connectors. Male + female, and both the large and small pins. They get crimped on using the same tool as weatherpaks do, which i already have. Since i had broken wires i cut all of them back to fresh copper and repinned all of them
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/123.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/124.jpg


So all thats left is to bolt it on, and its done!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/125.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/126.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/127.jpg

Its a tight fit against the hitch
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/128.jpg

Look closely, youll see the bumper brackets all but touch the hitch, and there is actually a vertical groove in the bumper to clear the hitch. Its tight!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/129.jpg



The bumper is a little smaller than id prefer, but as big as i can make it. Overall i think its looks pretty good on there though. So thats two more items off the list! So next week i need to tackle the water/meth injection, move my CB antenna, and then i think im done :rockon

reptillikus 08-31-2018 02:54 PM

Made some progress on the water/meth injection :cool:


My wiring harness uses 7 wires, so rather than build an extension, i bought 7 wire trailer harness
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/130.jpg

More OEM wedgelok pins being put to use
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/131.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/132.jpg

Original harness on the frame
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/133.jpg

...and the new extension plugged in and looking OEM
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/134.jpg

The harness runs up the bed here. Next to it is a hydraulic hose connected to some 3/8 stainless tube via some swagelok fittings for the water.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/135.jpg

The route up the bed.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/136.jpg

Another OEM connector, where my extension harness ends in the toolbox. In the top left you can see where the tubing enters the box. 100% stainless tube from the bed hinge to the toolbox.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/137.jpg

The original toolbox harness modified with a mating wedgelok connector installed
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/138.jpg

...and the whole water/meth system is now reinstalled and done!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/139.jpg

I turned the system on to check for errors and didnt find any, so i removed/cleaned the injector and then purged the system. Holy shit i think were done!!! I still need to find a place to relocate my CB antenna to, but aside from that she's 100% done! :rockon :rockon

After sitting for 7 weeks under a black walnut tree the truck needs to go to the carwash pretty badly, so i guess thatll be my test drive to see how badly the bed rattles around :toothless The kit comes with these guides to keep the front of the bed aligned with the cab, but i never installed them because my hinges are so much more sturdy than the ones that came with the kit, and the bed doesnt flop around like it woudve with their hinges. So we'll see after the test drive (hopefully tomorrow) if i need to put them on or not.

reptillikus 10-19-2018 05:10 PM

So the dump bed works pretty awesome :rockon

You cant really tell, but theres a yard of stone in the bed.
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/140.jpg

I didnt shoot any vid of it dumping, didnt think of it at time, was more concered with watching it, since a yard of stone is ~2600lbs. ive used it a couple times now, it is super awesome :toothless

The green tailgate presented a problem though. It was a necessity as my original tailgate got smashed, but its bowed pretty badly, and i was losing stone on the way home. So, i dug out a shell ive had kicking around, and decided to see what i could do with it.


This one was also green, so i sanded it and then rattled it with some red primer, then sanded again
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/images/tailgate/01.jpg

Starting to lay color. Again, all rattle can as i dont own a spray gun, and wasnt going to buy one, just to spray a tailgate
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/images/tailgate/02.jpg

Couple coats of clear later, starting to look better
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/images/tailgate/03.jpg

Some more wet sanding and some wax, and this i what i ended up with
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/images/tailgate/04.jpg

Not too bad for rattle can, if i do say so myself!!

hardware from my gate going in
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/images/tailgate/05.jpg

...and the finished product!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/images/tailgate/06.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/images/tailgate/07.jpg


Considering its all rattle can, i think the end result ended up pretty good, even tho its slightly off-color. its still way better than green, and this gate is actually straight :toothless




So from here i moved on to two other projects.

#1, front brakes!
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...c/KIMG0635.jpg

Power Stop carbon-ceramic pads, and their rotors as well. Havent driven it yet, we'll see tomorrow if they work any better than the crap Autozone brakes that were on there before.




#2, bumper mods.

I really couldnt bring myself to drill 4 holes in my shiny new tailgate, so i had to find a different place to put the license plate. So here we go!

Take this:
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/141.jpg

and fit it here:
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/142.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/143.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/144.jpg

https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/146.jpg

clears the hitch with plenty of room :thumbup
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/148.jpg

then i drilled some holes
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/149.jpg

...and reinstalled the OEM plate lamps, after i painted them to match the bumper
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...mp_bed/150.jpg


Hopefully this is the last of the work to this thing for the year, as my other projects are piling up!

BigBlue 94 10-19-2018 06:45 PM

2600 lbs!? It's barely squatting! I had a bunch of limestone cobble in my 95 f250 and it was squatting so bad that there was not enough weight on the front to steer properly. That was a single cab 4x4 with a 460 and front add a leafs too. Of course the cobble was piled to the top of the bedrails, so it had a ton of weight on it. Wonder how much it actually weighted...

Loved this truck, but sold it for a 7.3 f350.
https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/...e/dscn0552.jpg

BikerPepe` 10-19-2018 07:25 PM

dude! that's awesome work and I really appreciate you sharing the build with us. I would LOVE to have my old F250 flatbed setup to dump and now I have a pretty good idea what to do if I could ever afford to make that happen. The tailgate looks outstanding for a driveway, rattle can paint match too. Hell... give it a few months of regular use and the average joe probably wouldn't have a clue. Just looks and apparently functions like a real pro job. :beer :thumbup

reptillikus 10-19-2018 07:48 PM

:beer I was a little skeptical when i first got the kit, but then once i tore into it, it wasnt too bad. Of course, knowing now that i actually bought the universal kit instead of the vehicle specific one, it couldve been easier :duh


Im hoping the paint on the gate holds up, paint from a rattle can is kind of soft compared to automotive paint. The next time im spraying bed liner im going to mask off and spray the inside of the gate to match the rest of the bed, so it doesnt matter if the paint on the inside gets beat up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBlue 94 (Post 7144384)
2600 lbs!? It's barely squatting! I had a bunch of limestone cobble in my 95 f250 and it was squatting so bad that there was not enough weight on the front to steer properly. That was a single cab 4x4 with a 460 and front add a leafs too. Of course the cobble was piled to the top of the bedrails, so it had a ton of weight on it. Wonder how much it actually weighted...

Loved this truck, but sold it for a 7.3 f350.
https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/...e/dscn0552.jpg

Nice truck :thumbup

General consensus is a yard of stone is 2600-3000#. The truck is squatting 1-2" :toothless 15 year old 6" Skyjacker leafs in the back, they are no joke. Here's a skid of wood pellets for the garage, thats 2000# right there:
https://4x4.forensick.net/96f250/ima...c/KIMG8180.jpg

The extra weight of the PSD definitely helps keep it handling well when loaded down.

This site lists weights of various construction materials. They spec a yard of bluestone at 2970# Limestone cobble is about the same. Id say you had a wee bit more than one yard in there :toothless Long bed will fit 2 yards but thats a ton of weight, more than id rather carry in a stock box.

BikerPepe` 10-19-2018 09:09 PM

wussies :goodfinge
https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/...loaded-(4).jpg

just messin' around but I wonder how much that stack of treated 4x4 weigh'd in around. :toothless
it was not a wise move and was a nerve racking, 1.5 hr. drive home on mostly backroads to avoid the highway.
had a leaf *pop* going around a corner that nearly made me crap my pants, so I had to pull over to check the load, the truck... and my pants. :goodfinge

reptillikus 10-20-2018 08:08 AM

More weight then me id say. 4x4x8 is ~40 lbs, so if you have 50 of em thats 2k#, plus the other materials you had. Its a lot of weight for any truck!

I am jealous of the flat bed, i kind of want one instead of a stock box. I like the fold down sides they have on the utility style beds though, which i would need anyways for hauling dirt/stone/yard waste. How much does that bed weigh? Stock 8' bed is ~600# im told. My bumper is lighter than a stock bumper, plus all the weight i added for the dump conversion, im ~80-100# heavier than i was before.

I want that hoist you have in in your bed floor too, those things are cool.

BikerPepe` 10-20-2018 01:47 PM

I'm totally clueless on that beds weight, since I bought the truck with it. Steel flatbed though, so it's not light. It's gotta be at least 800 lbs., if not 1k with the headache rack and bumper/tow-hitch/step area. Side rails are easy enough to fab up for different needs but I'd need a pretty heavy duty hyd setup to lift that bed, along with the large loads it's capable of handling. The hoist w/a re-enforced, double tube stand (I bent the first one) and a 3k winch setup has been outstanding to have and has helped me load up everything from dual snowmobiles to boulders and even dragging 8' log lengths, stacked on the flatbed and even in the trailer hauled behind it. It's been a major back saver and was more than worth the effort to setup. I couldn't pass it up, since the flatbed was already setup with that re-enforced, sunken mounting hole for it. Can you even imagine a short, gimpy dude like me loading up a haul like this, by myself. No way in hell. Would have been a lot easier to unload though... with a dumper flat-bed. :toothless
https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/...e/100_4294.jpg

Both have their pros/cons for sure but I've always wanted a flatbed for the versatility. That said... I love the "sleeper" kinda deal you have going with the stock bed dump lift. I'm sure you'll come up with all kinds of uses over the coming years you hadn't even considered yet. I know I have. :thumbup


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