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It disappeared. Re-up. I'm still doing these, but they are still on a "per-order" basis because of our other prototyping going on. The only downside is that there will be a little bit of a lead time involved because I'm not keeping stock on-hand to ship immediately. I should have a running stock going again by the beginning of the year, hopefully. Still though, if you want to order one just let me know.

As an interesting note, one of these skids has made its way onto a competition truck that has previously run in the Mexican 1000 and NORRA 1000. The customer won their class in the Mexican 1000. Here's their truck:



Looking forward to seeing where other customers end up taking their skids! If anyone has pics of their wheeling adventures, feel free to share. Thanks guys.
 

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Hey again all. I've been receiving a lot of renewed interest about the skid lately and people are interested in the ordering info. I'm re-up'ing this thread to get that info back out there again.

To clarify though, I'm still swamped at my regular job and there is a 2-3 week lead time on the skids now. I can get them out if someone absolutely needs one, but it would be best to wait another month or two. Several of my larger projects are wrapping up in that time frame and I'll be able to re-focus on doing more production runs and getting orders out. I pride myself on shipping orders within 24-48 hours of receiving payment and I'm disappointed that's taken a back-seat for the time being. I thank everyone for their patience and understanding (even if you're sternly flipping off the computer screen while reading this :toothless).

Thanks guys.
 

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So this skid plate is for off-road use only, but not meant for hard use? As an engineered product, do you have stress test results or model?
 

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"For off road use" due to the catalytic converter modifications required I would imagine. Removing the second cat may cause issues in some more stringent states. This skid looks very well built and and with the additional reinforcement tab I think should hold up just fine for rock crawling. I plan on ordering one once I move this summer and don't live in Alaska anymore
 

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So this skid plate is for off-road use only, but not meant for hard use? As an engineered product, do you have stress test results or model?
It's not intended for "competition" use or where it will be repeatedly subject to unconventional abuse. It's meant to be a safety feature that is built to function at a "performance" level above and beyond the capability of the factory-equipped skid plate. I have a development thread in the "Fabrication/Tools" area of the forum that has some crude "field testing" demonstrated. There is a link to that thread in post #1 of this thread.

The engineer who ran the load calculations simply verified that the geometric articulations and utilized materials would withstand various tensile and yield loads at specified apply directions and the amount of predicted deflection and point-of-failure of the subject material. I do not have his simulation data as it was run over 1.5 years ago.

"For off road use" due to the catalytic converter modifications required I would imagine. Removing the second cat may cause issues in some more stringent states. This skid looks very well built and and with the additional reinforcement tab I think should hold up just fine for rock crawling. I plan on ordering one once I move this summer and don't live in Alaska anymore
First, thank you for the compliments.

Secondly, removing the secondary CAT will fail visual inspections if your vehicle is subject to such. "For off-road use only" is a fairly standard disclaimer as made by many aftermarket manufacturers. Subject to user discretion, of course. :thumbup
 
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Looks like a great piece! I currently live in Alaska but will be moving back to NJ this summer, I plan on ordering one when im back in the lower 48
 

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Has anyone had any luck installing this on an 85 with a the transfer case hooked up to a ZF-5S42 transmission? if so, how much modification are we talking?
 

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Is this still available to order? I need one of these really bad!

Quantity on-hand and ready-to-ship (I will try to keep this updated as accurately as possible):



With mounting holes: Please see below.*

Without mounting holes: Please see below.*


*Orders currently being taken/fabricated on an individual basis with no stock on hand. Please expect a 2-3 week lead time as I am exhausting most of my efforts tying up existing projects with other aspects of my work. If I am unable to meet your requested production deadline, I WILL NOT take your money or accept a "pre-payment". That is not how I do business and would be doing a disservice to you, as a respected customer, if it was. Thanks guys.
 

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Unfortunately, no. The skid body articulates upwards to provide significant ground clearance over the factory skid. In fact, clearing the secondary CAT is one of the reasons the factory skid hangs so low.

The BXF skid would have to be heavily modified to clear the CAT.
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So in order to use your skid plate, at least one cat-converter must be eliminated?
 

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Is this still available to order? I need one of these really bad!
Unfortunately, they are not, at the moment. I was attempting to gear up again over the past few months, but the beer plague has affected some of the companies I was in contact with for equipment. Sub-contracting out the work would skyrocket the price, so that's not really an option. I have all my CAD files saved and ready-to-go, but sourcing plasma table and brake operations are what I'm trying to work around right now. As soon as they are available again, this forum will be the first place they are listed for sale. I apologize for the delay.


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So in order to use your skid plate, at least one cat-converter must be eliminated?
Yes. Avoiding the secondary CAT is why the factory skid plate hangs so low across the entire frame span to begin with. By eliminating the secondary CAT, the skid I designed articulates upwards, following the profile of the T-case, and affords a minimal ground-clearance footprint. There should be pictures of customers' installation examples in either this thread, the "vendor reviews" thread, or the build thread that is linked in the first post of this thread. This skid is not to be confused with a factory replacement, by any means. It was designed and intended for "off-highway" use. For those that still need to pass emissions, but may not necessarily be restricted by a "visual" inspection, there are modern, single unit, 3-way CATS that are much more efficient than both the original factory CATS combined. I have had customers that run one of those, eliminating both factory CATS, and pass emissions without issue. Again, use and application are at the end-user's discretion. I hope this answered your question.
 

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1) Unfortunately, they are not, at the moment. I was attempting to gear up again over the past few months, but the beer plague has affected some of the companies I was in contact with for equipment. Sub-contracting out the work would skyrocket the price, so that's not really an option. I have all my CAD files saved and ready-to-go, but sourcing plasma table and brake operations are what I'm trying to work around right now. As soon as they are available again, this forum will be the first place they are listed for sale. I apologize for the delay.



2) Yes. Avoiding the secondary CAT is why the factory skid plate hangs so low across the entire frame span to begin with. By eliminating the secondary CAT, the skid I designed articulates upwards, following the profile of the T-case, and affords a minimal ground-clearance footprint. There should be pictures of customers' installation examples in either this thread, the "vendor reviews" thread, or the build thread that is linked in the first post of this thread. This skid is not to be confused with a factory replacement, by any means. It was designed and intended for "off-highway" use. For those that still need to pass emissions, but may not necessarily be restricted by a "visual" inspection, there are modern, single unit, 3-way CATS that are much more efficient than both the original factory CATS combined. I have had customers that run one of those, eliminating both factory CATS, and pass emissions without issue. Again, use and application are at the end-user's discretion. I hope this answered your question.
1) I look forward to procuring one. 😎

2) I need to shitcan my 250,000+ mile factory exhaust anyway. 😉
 

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I know the skid plate ain’t available right now but I have new install info. I removed the skid plate I had on my 89 and installed it on the 94. That still has 2 cats. I just had to clearance a part of the skid plate more but it bolted up no problem.
I'm glad you were able to get it mounted. Which part of the skid needed more clearance? Was it the trussing rib? I'm kind of surprised to hear it worked, at all, with the secondary CAT in place. Also, since the vehicle is a '94 I'm assuming the two rear bolt holes still needed to be drilled in the frame?

As a minor update, the company I'm at right now is entertaining the idea of manufacturing my skids. However, they are resistant to installing the fine-cut consumables on their plasma table as they have never used them before and are always hesitant to try new things that might negatively affect their production schedule should something fail. The other downside is that I would have be treated as a customer of the company. That means paying their shop rate for the production aspects they handle. They said they would apply a "discount" because I'm an employee, but the rate is still 50% over what I used to charge for manufacturing the skids. This would price them over $300 each. That's unreasonable for what the product is. Although I have been getting an eyebrow-raising quantity of emails about them (I have no idea where these guys are hearing about them as I have only ever mentioned them on this forum), I realize those that are interested are expecting the $160 price point.
 

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So any skid plate production within the next 8 months? 🙂
I have to develop a strategy to keep the production aspects my employer handles to an absolute minimum so I can keep hourly charges down. Then, I'll try to negotiate a price break for a larger production run than previously discussed and see where the price-point would end up. Finally, I'll post back here with the new pricing to determine if it's even palatable for everyone. My company hits its "slow season" for our trades production right around the end of the year as customers start burning up their yearly budget distributions (mid-Nov. through mid-Jan.). This is when we slow down in the shop and would be the earliest time-frame my employer would even be willing to entertain a production run of skids for me. I'll post back as I get more details worked out.

Thanks again guys.
 

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I'm glad you were able to get it mounted. Which part of the skid needed more clearance? Was it the trussing rib? I'm kind of surprised to hear it worked, at all, with the secondary CAT in place. Also, since the vehicle is a '94 I'm assuming the two rear bolt holes still needed to be drilled in the frame?
It needed clearance for the exhaust/cat at the front of the skid. And yes, I had to drill the 2 holes.
I recently stopped driving that bronco because I blew the head gasket. Once I get the different 302 in I’m using the upgraded motor mounts that slightly lift the whole drivetrain (from my 89). If I used those in the first place I may not have had to trim at all..
 

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that sucks @silver70..hopefully you can find a way to build them at a reasonable price..Honestly, I thought it was pretty inexpensive when I bought mine.
 
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that sucks @silver70..hopefully you can find a way to build them at a reasonable price..Honestly, I thought it was pretty inexpensive when I bought mine.
I hope so too. I could keep pricing "low" because my profit margins weren't that high on them to begin with. The skids were a very minor part of my revenue, at the time, and I kinda just wanted to do something neat that wasn't offered by anyone else. They're really not that time consuming to build when using the equipment I had. Pricing them out the way you would, typically, see from a retail manufacturer would yield a $300-$400 price range. That's why bumpers cost around $1,500-$2k. I think that's pretty high, but, I can see the POV from a business perspective: You don't sell them in volume, so make your profits from the markup on the limited quantities you do produce. There's about a 200% markup on your typical retail bumper after time and material costs. If you had the market to sell to, in regular quantity, that margin drops to around 50%.
 
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