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My 87 bronco was my first vehicle and After putting her up after highschool it has been setting for 10 years. I pulled it out from the cover and decided im going to restore it with my dad. Its has 302 EFI with over 300k on the engine with a c6 transmission I want to upgrade a little bit but i'm trying to find information on what would be better and most cost effective. Pulling it and have it ran through and put a bigger cam in it bored? Or buy a crate engine? The only issue is that i live in california which the smog laws are outrageous. Any advice would be extremely helpful.
 

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A lot depends on how much you want to spend. A crate motor is great, but if you can do a lot of the work you can freshen the 302 up for not too bad.

What is the long term goal?
More power?
Stock and nice?

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My 86 Bronco got a 5.0 Liter crate long block from Orieleys for $1200, with a 1 year warranty. I replaced every EFI sensor on the motor & went thru & replaced all the broken vacuum lines with new ones, fixed some crusty old wiring & the truck runs great now. To me, if you are just wanting another stock 5.0 Liter it makes no sense to go thru all the work of rebuilding when you can simply order a long block and bolt it in. I've been enjoying driving it ever since.
 

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You have to set a goal for the build first. Then figure out how to accomplish the goal.

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My 86 Bronco got a 5.0 Liter crate long block from Orieleys for $1200, with a 1 year warranty. I replaced every EFI sensor on the motor & went thru & replaced all the broken vacuum lines with new ones, fixed some crusty old wiring & the truck runs great now. To me, if you are just wanting another stock 5.0 Liter it makes no sense to go thru all the work of rebuilding when you can simply order a long block and bolt it in. I've been enjoying driving it ever since.
Agree with this, it is also not saving a bunch more money by the time you pay machine shop and everything else. I have no opinion on the Orielly motors, on these pushrod motors they are likely just fine. Yours seems to run good...

There have been several on here and posted elsewhere that are very happy with Creb Engineering. They will build to your spec, if you wanted something a bit more then stock. Last time I looked I think the differance in price was $200 or so between if I did the work, and got everything machined, or getting from Creb. That differance is likely less going the above route. This is assuming near stock rebuild.
 

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A lot depends on how much you want to spend. A crate motor is great, but if you can do a lot of the work you can freshen the 302 up for not too bad.

What is the long term goal?
More power?
Stock and nice?

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My long term goal is to give it more power. My bronco has always been gutless and its always been a dream of mine to put more horses under the hood. I have been looking at blueprint engines and looks like I could spend anywhere from 4,000$ - 7,000$ for a crate engine with 270-370hp depending on what I would buy. Which I am fine spending that much. I guess my question is for the California guys how much trouble am I going to run into with dropping a crate engine in when it comes to smog.
 

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Blueprint engines are excellent engines, however with California's noose on your freedom, you may need to do what most sane people do, and move to a state that allows you to enjoy your classic car without regulation if you want an engine like that.
 

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Blueprint engines are excellent engines, however with California's noose on your freedom, you may need to do what most sane people do, and move to a state that allows you to enjoy your classic car without regulation if you want an engine like that.
LOL! I'm probably two years away from moving out of commufornia. Just trying to get this bronco done while I'm making california money.
 

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Yo T,
WELCOME!
I moved this thread to Noobie section for more visibility, etc.

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Yo T,
WELCOME!
I moved this thread to Noobie section for more visibility, etc.

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For any questions or to chat about it's planned modifications, it's better to post each seperately in Noobie Bronco Tech Questions. Flame free zone. This will get more attention and you can build up your post count to get into other sections such as Bronco and Ford Parts/Accessories (75 posts required to participate due to scammers who preyed on our members).

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LOL! I'm probably two years away from moving out of commufornia. Just trying to get this bronco done while I'm making california money.
Yeah I know that routine.... I was recruited out of GM in 2005 to work for Tesla, they wanted the best Engineering talent they could get & made me an offer I could not refuse... I worked for them until 2012, then took all my stock options, and came back to Michigan... California is a beautiful place, but the State government has ruined it to the point I could not stand being there. I see Elon has wised up too & is moving Tesla to Texas. Smartest man I've ever had the pleasure of working with.
 

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Yeah I know that routine.... I was recruited out of GM in 2005 to work for Tesla, they wanted the best Engineering talent they could get & made me an offer I could not refuse... I worked for them until 2012, then took all my stock options, and came back to Michigan... California is a beautiful place, but the State government has ruined it to the point I could not stand being there. I see Elon has wised up too & is moving Tesla to Texas. Smartest man I've ever had the pleasure of working with.
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. Thats what I'm trying to accomplish. My goal is to get more power in this bronco. My question is more for california guys who have faced this dilemma. Have the original 302 ran through and beefed up or just buy a crate engine. If buying a crate engine am I going to run into any issues with california laws? One the engine is situated and pulled im doing SAS.
 

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. Thats what I'm trying to accomplish. My goal is to get more power in this bronco. My question is more for california guys who have faced this dilemma. Have the original 302 ran through and beefed up or just buy a crate engine. If buying a crate engine am I going to run into any issues with california laws? One the engine is situated and pulled im doing SAS.
you could swap in a 460, as long as you run the computer and smog equipment, you can get away with alot.
 

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Yeah I know that routine.... I was recruited out of GM in 2005 to work for Tesla, they wanted the best Engineering talent they could get & made me an offer I could not refuse... I worked for them until 2012, then took all my stock options, and came back to Michigan... California is a beautiful place, but the State government has ruined it to the point I could not stand being there. I see Elon has wised up too & is moving Tesla to Texas. Smartest man I've ever had the pleasure of working with.
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. Thats what I'm trying to accomplish. My goal is to get more power in this bronco. My question is more for california guys who have faced this dilemma. Have the original 302 ran through and beefed up or just buy a crate engine. If buying a crate engine am I going to run into any issues with california laws? One the engine is situated and pulled im doing SAS.
 

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I don't see any down side at all as far as emissions issues with a stock replacement crate motor. Unbolt everything, including all of the emissions equipment, swap motors, and bolt it all back on. Its just a lot less work than a rebuild in my opinion. Its also a great time to clean up the engine bay of dirt & grime, & replace vacuum lines, vacuum solenoids, ect...

As long as all the emissions equipment is back in place, it would be as good as new & have no emissions problems.

My crate motor was freshly installed when I bought the truck, it was a big selling point to me. The guy couldn't get it running right, so he gave up. I bought it, fixed a bunch of broken vacuum lines & replaced every EFI sensor for under $200 & it imeddiately ran great right then.

Im betting the motor on my Bronco was fine, he just didn't know any better, but whatever, his loss, my gain. I had been looking for a Bullnose with EFI for a long time.
 

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I don't see any down side at all as far as emissions issues with a stock replacement crate motor. Unbolt everything, including all of the emissions equipment, swap motors, and bolt it all back on. Its just a lot less work than a rebuild in my opinion. Its also a great time to clean up the engine bay of dirt & grime, & replace vacuum lines, vacuum solenoids, ect...

As long as all the emissions equipment is back in place, it would be as good as new & have no emissions problems.

My crate motor was freshly installed when I bought the truck, it was a big selling point to me. The guy couldn't get it running right, so he gave up. I bought it, fixed a bunch of broken vacuum lines & replaced every EFI sensor for under $200 & it imeddiately ran great right then.

Im betting the motor on my Bronco was fine, he just didn't know any better, but whatever, his loss, my gain. I had been looking for a Bullnose with EFI for a long time.
Thank you for your advice! I'll be looking up all the EFI sensors on the forum. Like I said its been 10 years since I've worked on it and I am going to be doing a huge refreshing on components of this engine. Other than replacing alternator , water pump, radiator, and other misc items its all stock.
 

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Also a code reader was a life saver for me, after I had replaced all my sensors, I bought a code reader, then found out I had some codes even tho I would have never known cuz it ran fine. Does this Bronco run?? You could just do a bit of a revival on your current motor. The code reader would let you know what things are not functioning correctly if you perform a KOEO & KOER test.

It pointed me to bad O2 sensor wiring & EGR solenoids I would have never known were bad.

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Also a code reader was a life saver for me, after I had replaced all my sensors, I bought a code reader, then found out I had some codes even tho I would have never known cuz it ran fine. Does this Bronco run?? You could just do a bit of a revival on your current motor. The code reader would let you know what things are not functioning correctly if you perform a KOEO & KOER test.

It pointed me to bad O2 sensor wiring & EGR solenoids I would have never known were bad.

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I am buying one right now!
 

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I am buying one right now!
My big concern after 10 years of sitting would bad old fuel, rusty fuel tank, rodents eating wiring, oiling down rusty cylinder walls, there's a whole list of things to do before you just turn a key on a vehicle thats been sitting for a decade.

What point of "bringing it back" are you at?
 
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