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All About "Onboard Air" or "OBA"

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I have been doing a TON of research on OBA or On Board Air and it is one of the most used modifications a 4x4 truck can have. Everyone knows that tires that are aired down have better traction on rocks & sand. The airing down part is easy, the airing up is the hard part. OBA takes care of these issues and adds an air supply to power tools and an ARB. Since I had all this information stored and together I thought that someone on the bronco site could use it as well.

I decided to use the CO2 tank since i have an extra one at my shop. I don't air down much and its more for the comfort of having it available in-case i do need to air down. It will take a lot of $15 fill-ups to make a Engine mounted York worth it for me.


There are 3 common ways to get OBA.
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Electric compressor

Average Price - High Quality $300
Ease of install – Very Easy
Dependability – Good
Air time – Very Long
Output - 105 psi, .77 CFM at 28 amp current draw (QuickairII)






Pros:
Very easy to install and transport. Ability to take from rig to rig.
Adding an air tank will greatly reduce air-up time, but only for the first tire or two.
Unlimited amount of air if you wait long enough.
Easy to find and can be stuffed into a bag. Small and compact.

Cons:
Long airtime, 10-15 minutes per tire, then you have to let the compressor cool down for 30 minutes.
They really don't produce all that much air.
Cannot run air tools off of electric compressor (with our without air tank)
Price is close to an engine mounted system by nowhere as fast or as reliable.
The main "con" for this one is the VERY low CFM at only .77 CFM (for a top of the line $300 system) it comes in dead last in the output catagory.


Parts Needed for install
None

Parts Needed for Use
Basic Compressor air kit (Normally comes with compressor and includes; Air Hoses, Tire fill tip)

NOTE: Electric compressors can be setup just like an engine mounted system with air tanks. They are setup the same way but use electricity instead of engine power. Please see diagram at the bottom of this post for reference.
Write up for a good electric compressor install – http://www.bajataco.com/onboardair/quickair01.html

High Quality Compressors –
Quickair
Viair
Airzenith


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Compressed CO2

Average Price - $200 (+$15 per fill)
Ease of install - Easiest
Dependability - Mediocre
Air time – VERY Fast
CFM – up to 10 CFM on a 10 lbs tank




Pros:
Can fill up to 100 30" tires on one 15 lbs tank
Can be moved from rig to rig
can be taken out of truck for storage when not wheeling
Totally self contained;
zero installation,
no electrical or engine power required.
Not quite as expensive as the electric compressor options.
Produces a huge volume of air.
VERY fast fill ups compared to the electric compressor (1-2 minutes per tire compaired to 10-15 minutes).

Cons:
They take up a lot of space (Depending on the size tank you get).
Have to be upright when in use.
They produce a limited amount of air; then you have to get them refilled
Running air tools on a CO2 tank may freeze your tools and run the tank down fast.
Tank can also be damaged in high heat or if dropped.
Pressure gauge is not helpful in telling amount of CO2 left
When your out... your out...


NOTE: Some companies will dress up tanks with paint and put on a regulator and charge you $300 for is saying it’s an “off-road” version(Powertank, Hyperflow, The Sours, ect). Don’t be fooled, they are the same CO2 tanks that all welding places sell for ¼ of the price but with a $40 regulator and a fancy paint job.


Speed & CFM chart – With output pressure set to 250 PSI here are the numbers. Very impessive

Info from “Powertank”


Parts Needed for install
Bracket to secure to truck

Parts Needed for use
5, 10 or 20 lbs Co2 tank
Regulator
Pressure gauge
Air Hose
Tire fill tip



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Engine-driven compressor

Average Price - $400 (keep AC use York)
Average Price - $350 (No Ac, use York)
Average Price - $300 (use your existing AC as a compressor)
Ease of install – Complex
Dependability – Very Good
Air time –Fast
CFM - 4 CFM at 90 PSI




Pros:
Produces never-ending volume of air, with or without an air tank.
You can run air tools,
seat tire beads,
air up your tires, as well as all of the other broncos on the trail!
Very reliable.
Fast & always available

Cons:
Complex installation, especially if you have a factory air conditioner!
This is a totally custom project.
It takes lots of research and planning.
Creativity, special tools, and good fabrication skills are a big plus.
It’s the most expensive of the three options
your friend will always want you to fill up there tires :slap

Parts Needed for install
An installed York –
Air filter
Oil Trap
Check Valve
Blow off valve
Pressure switch
Manifold (3 or more holes)
Air tank
Pressure gauge
Power switch
50’ of ¼” air line
Quick Connects
High pressure fittings
Regulator
Electrical line
Tire fill tip

Here are a few write ups’

By California Monkey – NO A.C with custom bracket
By Winocabello – NO A.C. with easy access to P.S. pump -
By Vegasbronco1 – Both Passenger side install & NO A.C. with kit
By Broncoboy – NO A.C -
By Waltman – KEEP A.C -
By Drkhrs925 - Doublestack AC & York!


Basic but “you get the point” diagram I made up


Locations & Ideas on places put your Air tank -


If there is anything I missed, please let me know! :thumbup
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I currently use this compressor and I made a 4 tire hose. The 4 tire hose cost me about $60 in materials, but I already had 60 foot of hose laying around. I timed it one day, and I was able to go from 8psi to 25psi on my 33x12.50s in 6 minutes. That was all 4 tires at once. Not bad for a $120 investment.

http://www.amazon.com/Industries-MV...1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1267449949&sr=8-11

The hose that comes with the unit is way too small, using a bigger hose really helps.

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Ha your average price of $100 for CO2 is way off!!!
10lb systems start at about $250 in kit form

Buying a tank from a welding shop will be about $85
Constant pressure regulator $95
Hoses etc $25

Total DIY approximately $205

A standard fill on a 10lb tank will typically run $15-20

Not trying to say it can't be done for less but on average this is where you would be. Keep in mind that with a kit you have a warranty and a brand new tank. If you build it out of an old fire extinguisher, depending on its age, you have to have it tested and end up with an $85 charge just for that.

Good write up though
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Don't exclude the SCBA (self contained breathing apparatus) and SCUBA (self contained underwater breathing apparatus) from these choices of OBA's. I run 2 (2213 psi) cylinders and can fill 2 sets of 35'' tires from 5psi to 35 psi on one tank. My other tank is spare, extra, or I use it to run my impact gun on the trail. We tested the impact gun in Uwharrie this past year, and could change 2 sets (five lug) of tires on and off (one tire 8 times on and off). At the end of the day, I still have half of one tank left. The tanks that are SCBA use standard thread (oxygen thread from welding supply) and can be filled by any welding supply for less than CO2. Don't forget that were CO2 can't lay down (freeze the regulator) compressed air can. Compressed air also will not freeze up the regulator on a cold day!
Also, the cost to use your existing A/C compressor was less than $100 for me. Way less. Harbor freight and yard sales provided all the parts I needed and it was good to go for a year or 2 then crapped out. York is the only way to go for me. Good Write up though, lots of info for people to think about.
Updated CO2 Prices- Thanks Heafty,
(i guess the local shop is a bit cheaper than average :beer)

$50 for a used 10lbs tank at the beer makeing shop near me
They sell a regulator for $48 - looks like this one http://www.sodabuzz.com/osc/primary-regulator-double-guage-high-pressure-tank-mount-p-508.html

Also, the cost to use your existing A/C compressor was less than $100 for me. Way less. Harbor freight and yard sales provided all the parts I needed and it was good to go for a year or 2 then crapped out. York is the only way to go for me. Good Write up though, lots of info for people to think about.
$100 is Very good. $300 may be a bit on the high side. But for most people who will have to buy all the fittings, hoses, air tank, regulators, manafold, ect. ect. will spend a bit more. Expecially if they buy from Kilby and not from HF.
I currently use this compressor and I made a 4 tire hose. The 4 tire hose cost me about $60 in materials, but I already had 60 foot of hose laying around. I timed it one day, and I was able to go from 8psi to 25psi on my 33x12.50s in 6 minutes. That was all 4 tires at once. Not bad for a $120 investment.

http://www.amazon.com/Industries-MV...1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1267449949&sr=8-11

The hose that comes with the unit is way too small, using a bigger hose really helps.

Thats cheaper than most of the "high end" ones and gets good reviews.

Now is that 6 minutes per tire or 6 minutes for the set. I find it hard to believe that even for an impressive 2.5 CFM pump (Best so far for ANY electric) you can fill up a tire almost 20 psi in about a little over a minute each. I could be wrong but thats almost the same time for CO2 & a York.
Great summary man. Wish I would have had a consolidated thread like this one with info like this, but will still be a good reference when doing my setup :thumbup
There are many bigger electric 12 volt compressors available as well, look to the mini trucks with air suspension... I have 2 - 3/4 hp 12 volt compressors in my car... I can fill a 13 gallon air tank from 0 - 200 PSI in approx. 9 min. I'm not sure how many tire fills that would equate to though.

there is also the oasis air compressor, it comes in 12 or 24 volt and will fill as fast or faster then most EDC's. although it is a very expensive unit.

there are also lots of aftermarket EDC's as well, most based on the york design.
Don't exclude the SCBA (self contained breathing apparatus) and SCUBA (self contained underwater breathing apparatus) from these choices of OBA's. I run 2 (2213 psi) cylinders and can fill 2 sets of 35'' tires from 5psi to 35 psi on one tank. My other tank is spare, extra, or I use it to run my impact gun on the trail. We tested the impact gun in Uwharrie this past year, and could change 2 sets (five lug) of tires on and off (one tire 8 times on and off). At the end of the day, I still have half of one tank left. The tanks that are SCBA use standard thread (oxygen thread from welding supply) and can be filled by any welding supply for less than CO2. Don't forget that were CO2 can't lay down (freeze the regulator) compressed air can. Compressed air also will not freeze up the regulator on a cold day!
Im doing a bit more research on the SCUBA tanks now. The only problem i see is that they can only change a few tires. Figure this..

31x10.50-15 has 7.80 Cubic feet of air at 30 PSI
33x12.50-15 has 11.46 Cubic feet of air at 30 PSI
35x12.50-15 has 12.51 Cubic feet of air at 30 PSI
37x12.50-16 has 15.84 Cubic feet of air at 30 PSI
38x15.50-15 has 22.74 Cubic feet of air at 30 PSI

With the average tank size of 40 & 80 CF your not looking to good. If you run 35" tires and have one SCUBA tank. You will be able to R&R the lugs on 4 tire and fill those tires up. Or potentially fill 8 tires up from 15psi to 30 psi.

With a CO2 tank at the same cost of a SCUBA tank you can fill up to 4x the of an air tank. This is the same concept of having nitrogen tanks. Unless you an extra tank lieing around, the better option is going to be CO2. A good thing about the air & nitrogen tanks is that there will be no seepage (lose tire pressure) and you can use the tanks on there side. So if you mount one under the truck you can run an air hose to it.
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Ha your average price of $100 for CO2 is way off!!!
10lb systems start at about $250 in kit form

Buying a tank from a welding shop will be about $85
Constant pressure regulator $95
Hoses etc $25

Total DIY approximately $205

A standard fill on a 10lb tank will typically run $15-20

Not trying to say it can't be done for less but on average this is where you would be. Keep in mind that with a kit you have a warranty and a brand new tank. If you build it out of an old fire extinguisher, depending on its age, you have to have it tested and end up with an $85 charge just for that.

Good write up though
Going with the york has got to be the best bet and bang for the buck, you can run tools off it. I am piecing mine together a little at a time.
Good write up Joe :thumbup
Great writeup - Good to see everything compiled together. York will be the way to go for me... the benefits of having so much air available at any time, running tools, etc... just top them all. Good info!
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